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[QUOTE=Ll8803]Went to Herndon Therapy will not repeat visit massage was more of a rub with typical NOVA finish. Gave normal tip for standard finish she asked for more I told her no and she threw the tip up into the air and said do you want drink I said no and left. Like I said will not go back.[/QUOTE]Herndon,
Is this the one on the second floor or the one just alil up in an office complex?
Man, serious upsell?
Does anyone have any dibbs on these ladies?
They used to be in Sterling?
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Actually by requiring the tip 1st she is protecting HER interest in the service, I perfer to tip after but have no problem with a girl asking me for the tip 1st if we have NOT seen each other before. Trust is to be earned, not given freely, and as a hobbiest/monger you should know we have some shady guys in the hobby who have not tipped or under tipped. Why should SHE be penalized for it.
Outside of AMPs, SW, Escorts, Strippers, what ever YOU PAY 1ST, none of them provide their services and collect after. Sometimes you get burned giving an Escort or SW their fee 1st and get none or little of the expected service. But that is the risk WE the hobbiest take, why do people continue to think it is ok for the AMP girl to assume all the risk?
After your 1st visit, talk to your provider say, "Hey, I am not going to cheat you, I like you and will take care of you, but I do not like stopping in the middle of the experience to do business" most of them will understand and just ask that you be an honest guy and really take care of them.
Remember you are not "entitled" to anything in that room but a massage, anything else that happens is up to the girl and it is our responsibility to make them happy to provide it. I suggest with a few exceptions that if you receive bad service the hobbiest is partly or mostly to blame, he did something wrong no matter how small a thing to change the girls mood/attitude. She does not have to do anything but give you a massage and that is it, some of us need to remember that, you have to work the girl to get the extras you want. That is how it was back in the day when I started, too many guys these days do not want to put forth the effort and want everything automatically delivered.
Why do you think YMMV always applies to this hobby? Because on any given day any given girl may or may not provide the service you want. It is YOUR game that determines the outcome. If you on it, you will be happy. If you are not, do not blame the girl.
/End Rant.
BB[/QUOTE]Nope, Nope, nope, because for some prices I expect more and don't get it(Chantilly, down off rt50 near the Hummer dealer)for that I can get FS, nope nope, provide good service, get good tip, provide great service, get great tip.
Girl here tried to upsell. I laughed and said I should just go to greens then at least the girl is HOT. Gave her standard when all was done. basic stuff. She did look ok though. No name asked or given.
I do like the sauna there. for 1 person tiny. And they have heated tables.
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv]Herndon,
Is this the one on the second floor or the one just alil up in an office complex?
Man, serious upsell?[/QUOTE]Second floor
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv]Nope, Nope, nope, because for some prices I expect more and don't get it(Chantilly, down off rt50 near the Hummer dealer)for that I can get FS, nope nope, provide good service, get good tip, provide great service, get great tip.[/QUOTE]
Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.
There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.
I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.
After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.
Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven]Has anyone had any luck with using their own condoms? Those condoms supplied by the amps are like wearing a tire. They deaden way to much sensation. I've never been able to get the girls to use the ones I bring.[/QUOTE]
You bringing unlubbed unscented generic latex? Or something they do not want in their mouth or fear might break when they give you a CBJ?
If they won't use yours its usually because they do not like the lube, scent or think it will break.
They do use thicker ones, specifically to minimize breakage.
[QUOTE=AKFourtySeven]Has anyone had any luck with using their own condoms? Those condoms supplied by the amps are like wearing a tire. They deaden way to much sensation. I've never been able to get the girls to use the ones I bring.[/QUOTE]Always bring my own and never had a prob. They just wipe them down with a warm towel.
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv]What color was that SUV and what type?[/QUOTE]
I remember it was a blue color SUV, but can not recall the type as I tried to drive away as quickly as possible. Did you see the same thing?
[QUOTE=MassLover]I remember it was a blue color SUV, but can not recall the type as I tried to drive away as quickly as possible. Did you see the same thing?[/QUOTE]The one I saw in Sterling was black with tinted windows. Not really sure what brand. The car may just have been parked in the lot and used because it was big and had dark windows. The other guy was definitely in a red compact car.
I have brought unlubed genaeric latex.
I'm suprised that so many have brought their own and are allowed to use them.
Go figure.
After a disappointing first try with one provider, I dropped into TK Nails again and Tina was available after a short wait. The place has all the accoutrement of a nails salon but I don't think the fat girls with colorful digits have discovered her yet. But two other men apparently have because one monger left just as I arrived and another was waiting as I left. Anyway, aside from a lame attempt at roaming on my part the hour went just as it did the last time.
NoVa guys are too cheap. If a girl asks .6 upfront for an HJ, I don't haggle, I cop a feel or two or three or more while she does her thing. And lately, if she doesn't ask for money up front, but drops the panties & lifts up the bra, that is definitely worth .6, no questions asked, and I've gone as high as .8 for that kind of service.
The last time I was with an AMP girl I said f*ck it, I'm leaving $.2 on the table, fanned out, under my watch. Panties & bra came off no problem, and I got a nice little show while she gave an awesome fake BJ.
You wanna play, you gotta pay$$$
Went to Peach today and won't return unless things change. Mikki was my therapist and the upsell started during the TS which ruined the experience. She wanted .8 for a HJ and I told her the most I would pay was .6 and that in some places its only .4.
After the TS she put me in the sauna and after about 2-3 minutes came in with me and started the hard sell again. Kept telling me she was worth .8 and she would "treat me real nice" I insisted that .6 was the most I would pay and she finally agreed.
Massage was OK and she does have a very nice body but the upselling killed the entire experience.
I won't return
A couple of weeks ago I reported that the place where I was a regular changed names and added a couple very lovely latina therapists to complement their asian staff which always provided me with average NOVA therapy. I tried one of the new latinas to see if I could get my NOVA therapy, but had no luck, maybe because it was my first session with that lovely latina therapist and she wasn't comfortable with me yet.
So, has anybody tried this place yet? Any luck with the latinas? Come on fellas...Don't make me do all the work, I already took one for the team.
Senior members may PM for more info!
Last week had a late night desire for some therapy so popped over to Rainbow about 8:25 PM. They told me no more customers, I asked even for half hour (they didn't close until 9) but they said no. This is the third or fourth time I've tried to repeat at Rainbow unsuccessfully, though to be fair this one was more or less my fault.
So I headed over to Ivy to see if anything had changed since a previous visit in December. They gladly took me in for full hour. Therapist was Anna. On the older side but reasonably nice body and face. The teeth were the main thing that belied the age.
Average TS, she ascertained I was friendly and had been there before. Massage was also average, as was flip. Tiny bit of roaming but not much. I hinted at being interested at additional service. She knew I had been there before and I had left about $80 visible under my keys but no dice.
Gave her standard tip for standard service and left. OK experience but nothing special. Ivy doesn't seem to offer more than regular NOVA and older gals so far, will report if anything changes.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.
There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.
I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.
After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.
Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.[/QUOTE]I just simply stick with the standard tip that has been around for years, thats all.
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.
There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.
I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.
After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.
Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.[/QUOTE]Just had a bad situation go down a few times after I gave the tip first. But most of the places I go to the mama's know my face so I usually don't run into this, mama tells her I am good and its kool and go standard, if she goes but naked, I add to it, if she does BJ, I add to it. If she goes FS, I give the DC/MD standard!
[QUOTE=Brahmabull]Good for you. You have no trust in the provider and then she will have none in you. I am sure you do well. Great.
There are too many assholes in this hobby that take advantage of girls who accept the tip after service and do not provide what expected or agreed to.
I do not get an attitude or upset from any girl I have NOT been with before asking for her tip/fee 1st. No one should. SORRY, we disagree.
After I have been at least 2 times, she knows me and I know her, it can be otherwise.
Still do not think anyone has a right to be upset if the girl wants to be paid 1st.[/QUOTE]I think my situation is rather different than some guys as I have a select group that I go see at several different places(maybe 7 to 10 ladies), some used to be at other places and moved on, so they recognize me when I come in(to their new place), so they know my flow, and several mama's know me by name being that I have been hitthing the places for years, so they just don't really bother me with upfront tips, they know in advance what I am Going to tip, I guess I have gotten spoiled by some private AAMPs where you get more personable service for those same tips(and its more than likely due to them knowing my face when I arrive, etc so its no big deal. Now, when a girl ask me for a tip upfront, I don't just simply "not" give it to her, I am just saying that I don't agree with the method, I don't like "upfront upsells", thats all. $. 60 bones I have done on many occasions, where I agreed with it or not, thats the NOVA upsell, but those select ones I see normally, they add a lot to the mix.
[QUOTE=The Nub]A couple of weeks ago I reported that the place where I was a regular changed names and added a couple very lovely latina therapists to complement their asian staff which always provided me with average NOVA therapy. I tried one of the new latinas to see if I could get my NOVA therapy, but had no luck, maybe because it was my first session with that lovely latina therapist and she wasn't comfortable with me yet.
So, has anybody tried this place yet? Any luck with the latinas? Come on fellas. Don't make me do all the work, I already took one for the team.
Senior members may PM for more info![/QUOTE]I went there last week, on your recommendation, looking for the latinas. Only one Chinese lady, Lily, was at the reception, and she was also the provider. She said there were more ladies "downstairs". They run a split operation with a nails salon on the ground floor. There were three massage rooms and a "water room". Her English was such that I couldn't understand if she meant a TS. I asked for 90 minutes and the flip was in the middle. I asked why and I think she said because most clients are asleep after 90 minutes. Got my money's worth. Upon leaving I saw a mixed group of asian and latina women eating at a table in panera's, wearing the white shirt uniform of the place. At least I saw the latinas.
[QUOTE=Skirite Hound]I went there last week, on your recommendation, looking for the latinas. Only one Chinese lady, Lily, was at the reception, and she was also the provider. She said there were more ladies "downstairs". They run a split operation with a nails salon on the ground floor. There were three massage rooms and a "water room". Her English was such that I couldn't understand if she meant a TS. I asked for 90 minutes and the flip was in the middle. I asked why and I think she said because most clients are asleep after 90 minutes. Got my money's worth. Upon leaving I saw a mixed group of asian and latina women eating at a table in panera's, wearing the white shirt uniform of the place. At least I saw the latinas.[/QUOTE]
I already knew what was to be expected from the Asian Ladies. Try a latina next time. You probably went there either very early, or very late if there was only 1 therapist.
Went here at beautifull morning time. Found that all doors are open. Ringed the bell near opened door twice untill MMS get out :)
Met Lilly. She is little big but not fat korean girl in her 3X, very tanned, about 5'7", little wide, but proportional, responsive B's, very firm skin ... preffy face. She tried to make a distance, but cookies under my watches smells so good, that we went to shower room hugging as old friends. TS was exellent, she made so much attention to my alterego, that I was worried that she will tear it off. Massage was good with many hot towels. Flipover and standard finish. Yes, she take off some clothes and rouming was allowed.
Some minor drawbacks, like: she were trying a little uppsell - noway; she forget to put towel on pillow at shower room, she were trying to clean my face with towel, which were used for alterego cleaning; she leaved door open when she come for new hot towel - i was here with my bellypot targeting a sky.
Don't think that will see her again, cuz she will leave in a week, however, pretty good experience. She told me that new girl will be here in a week. Will see.
New and have read the forum but have a small question.
Is there a place that offers haircut + massage around?
[QUOTE=Computer Luvvv]Just had a bad situation go down a few times after I gave the tip first. But most of the places I go to the mama's know my face so I usually don't run into this, mama tells her I am good and its kool and go standard, if she goes but naked, I add to it, if she does BJ, I add to it. If she goes FS, I give the DC/MD standard![/QUOTE]
I agree with you on tipping AFTER for long time customers or with girls that know you. What I am saying is, when it is my 1st visit with a provider (regular spot or not) I am not upset by her asking for the tip upfront. While everyone else there may know and trust me, her and I do not yet have that relationship and we have to build it. I have no problem taking the 1st step in building a trust relationship with the lady.
On Saturday (3/27) I was down by Tyson's Corner and thought I would stop in at Enliven. It had received a number of good reviews and I was in the mood. Unfortunately, they were busy. She asked me to come back but I elected to try my fall back, Papaya.
Very much enjoyed my stay at Papaya. First time there. Discrete location. Very nice on the inside in terms of decorations and overall layout.
I paid $80 for the hour and was greeted by Alisa. Petite, very cute, tight body, probably late 30s or early 40s. Her first day there out of NJ.
Alisa takes me to the TS, gives me an excellent table shower. I liked the pad that elevates your lower legs. Towels me off and back to our room.
If you like the backwalking method, then this was for you. Excellent, strong massage. The service with Alisa was standard NOVA, but excellent as well.
Would I go back - yes. Would I recommend - yes.
I was there on Friday and was told by my girl that it is closing effective April 5. Lease was not renewed by the lessor, maybe the police have discouraged them. Sorry to see my old standby go by the wayside. Is the place over at Pinecrest any good? That is where Yumi says she is trying to go.
Made an unexpected visit to NSP today. I had planned to visit my ATF with the new name. But some traffic tie up had me reverse course back towards the highway. My back-up plan was to go visit one of the establishments further south, but as I passed NSP, my car of its own volition turned into the parking lot, found an empty spot, and stopped. As it turns out, I am the only client on premise from the time I arrive until I depart.
Greeting: 7/10
None of us like the need to stand in the parking lot while MMS answers the door. The configuration of the upstairs/downstairs is unfortunate. HOWEVER. MMS is very friendly once inside (and very cautious before allowing people to exit. She always checks to ensure no leaving/entering customer collisions). I like this MMS. And although my visits here have been somewhat less frequent than other places, she knows I am a good customer and always nice to the ladies.
She takes me upstairs to the room across from the TS, collects the house. 8, gives me a hug and a pat, and promises to send someone right in. Shortly thereafter, Bobbie arrives.
Bobbie is about 5'2", thin, shapely, athletic, attractive, and friendly.
TS: 8/10. I like an extra-long TS, this was a "standard time". The water was warm enough but not hot. The soap was fine; the cleaning was fine with a few smiles shared on each side.
Massage: Difficult to score. Call it a solid 8/10
TABLE: 10/10. Must be the widest and best padded tables of all the places I visit. Very comfortable.
Room: 8/10: Nice and clean. Good bar on the ceiling for back walking. I wish they had a large mirror.
Technique: This was a "slow massage". And because I was relaxed the entire time, it was really good. But it was different. 5fulll minutes on each foot (very nice technique used a washcloth like some like to massage thru a towel). I prefer the feel of the hands. But this was nice.
Slow, very deliberate work on neck, shoulders, back, thighs, glutes, etc. No actual effluage strokes (which are most common for Swedish style massages)
Ending: Also non-rushed. Better than many experiences. And Bobbie is exceptionally physically fit. Beautiful /// 8. 5+/10
Departure: A little quick after the clean-up, but not actually rushed, and I received my full hour.
Overall. 8. 5++/10 // NSP may have won me over today. I will repeat. More info is known about NSP if you read enough posts or PM enough mongers. I left Andy and two of his twin brothers in appreciation.
It was a warm day. And I am glad I cooled my heels at NSP for an hour today.
Always be nice to the ladies
PA
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Dose anybody know? thank you
I usually read most of the reviews who ever wrote it, But today I feels like a wanted to write some about this girl.I was there today around at noon time after my lunch.That was my first time visiting this place.
Good looking petite little girl was greeting me, Her name is PATTI she sad, Seems early 30s, about 5'2" height very friendly.She took me to the room and I gave her $80 for the hour.
I've got undressed wait her about 5 minutes and she came back and took me to the shower room(Was very nice and clean).
She took her time gave me a very enjoyful nice TS. And we went back to the room and she starting gave me very strong massage and back walking was nice.It was little too strong to me but I kind a liked it. When I fliped over, She gave me a very enjoyable massage and standard NOVA finished.
Massage was full hour. I left 6 on top the table in the room, I usually paid 4. She gave me a big hug and told me to come back to see her again and I will.
I would recommend this girl because I liked her attitude.
Was at my fav place in Sterling this evening and was made to wait a fair bit. My massage didn't start until about 30 minutes after I arrived. In the meantime I nearly fell asleep, and had a TS from the MMS, which was my first time that she's done that for me herself. So they must have been jam packed. I got someone new. Seems like I've never gotten anyone I knew since the turnover is pretty quick. I got Laura, who is a little chubby, but has a cute face. Probably in her mid 30's. Her english is a little bad, but once she got comfortable she was actually pretty funny and entertaining. Sadly she subscribes to the bad massage technique of drowning you in oil. Despite the massage being bad, she was chatty and surprisingly she didn't even count her tip! We never discussed prices either! I got great service and no upsell. Go figure, you complain to the MMS, and she actually listened. I'd recommend Laura as she was just a fun girl to be with. Sadly she probably won't be there more than a month.
Went here since it easy to get to. Near Ivy.
The place looks nice and is large. Brand new. The TS was really but I wonder how long that green mat will stay fresh. I hope they bleach it often.
Petite older woman with large guns answers and TS me. Go back to the room and then I get the switch. Larger K girl. Not fat..just not petite. Her name is Angie. Her massage is top notch. If you like hard massage she is it. I was hurting. The massage was very through and complete. Fee, head, face, all were worked. Standard NOVA.
I gave her standard fare and she said thats it...umm...yeah.
Would I go back ...yes but for the other girl no Angie.
Garden spa in ffx
Met Brandy at the door, went in for a half got a wonderful massage she says she is an RMT anyhow, great massage very good personality, nice body in her early to mid 30's I think not sure. Standard nova but better technique.
If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?
[QUOTE=Nice 499]If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?[/QUOTE]Chocolates, fresh fruit, scratch off lottery tickets or anything else you would give any other female friend to show appreciation. Remember to allow for cultural differences and possible language shortcomings. The strangest thing I ever gave one was a fresh deer heart. She was thrilled! BC.
[QUOTE=Fatpig]Larger K girl. Not fat..just not petite. Her name is Angie. Her massage is top notch.
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thats it...umm...yeah.
Would I go back ...yes but for the other girl no Angie.[/QUOTE]
Met her today morning. She is very friedly, I do not know why, may be because I put some cookies on the table under watches, but she allowed roaming from begin. However, when standard finale appeared on horizont, she start upselling and make me pay upfront but standard fee.
I'm considering that as good experience. Prolly, I'll repeat, cuz I see some potential here, also it is at short distance for me.
Be Safe,
Aman
[QUOTE=Nice 499]If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?[/QUOTE]
You may bring something from Korean store.
But, give her big hug and jackson - she will remember You forever. I am doing that everytime, when I come to place at first time, sometimes at second time too.
Be Safe,
Aman
You can always bring ramen, not that square crap but the good ramen its pretty cheap and the girls get a quick meal thats easy to cook. Unless you want to go get some bugogi and kimchi
I read a post back some time ago saying one place personally liked pizza with everything including or excluding anchovies.
On a side note I find it weird that I hardly ever see a mamasan mostly I see the girl that answers and generally its not a a "mamasan" My 20 ish recent visit to a place was def not the mamasan and M. Is all I can say and I'm holding out on any details about this one I found. Just because I thinks its a gem.
Love you guys
Dirydirtymind
[QUOTE=Aman Tuleev]You may bring something from Korean store.
But, give her big hug and jackson - she will remember You forever. I am doing that everytime, when I come to place at first time, sometimes at second time too.
Be Safe,
Aman[/QUOTE]
Nothing better than a hug and Jackson. I shoulda thought about that when I bring them Starbucks, lol
PC out
She will like anything....... I`ve taken anything from A-doz Jumbo crabs to a $25 Starbucks gift card. You`ll get alot of Bennys in return "no rush, good lady ect."
It`s worth it too me YMMV
[QUOTE=Nice 499]If you wanted to bring Mamasan a gift, what would be appropriate?[/QUOTE]
Visited Blue at PineTree today.
Very nice session.
Standard NoVa service and price/tip for the hour.
JJ