"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=SbabyBlog; 1410507]Gentleman,

While reading Scott's post about perfume it reminded me on a make-up incident with my first SD."Him". He had an open marriage, but decided he wanted to spend a weekend with me. Something the "SO" (by the way can someone tell me what that stands for) wouldn't have allowed. So, he fibbed a little about where he was going to be that weekend.

At the end of our time together he drove me to the airport and I noticed that his face was a little sparkly. It took me a second to realize the source of said sparkles. My bronzer (a face powder). I pointed it out to him, and he later told me that he stopped at a restroom and washed his face so that he wasn't caught. As much as I like that make-up. I now refrain from wearing it when I meet an SD. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up on that one. When you meet your SB, if her face looks cute, tan, and sparkly. Make sure the sparkles stay on her.

After Scott's post, I'll leave the perfume off as well. No need to get any of you in trouble now.

Mandy[/QUOTE]There ya go.

We should make a list of stupid mistakes that end a perfectly nice Sugar life. One M&G ended up as an all nighter at a Beach Hotel that had a parking garage. I left the Garage stub in my pants pocket. Fortunately I found it myself weeks later since my W doesn't do laundry. Item #2 is my W got a call from the dry cleaner about $300 found in 100s in my pants pocket. My PTP "date" cancelled on me and I forgot about the Sugar. To add insult to injury she kept the $300 and I didn't even get laid.

RE: Mandy

If the Pot is a social moron and doesn't break the ice after you have spent a successful M&G then it would not be unreasonable for you to say " I really like being with you and would like to get to know you better. Would you like to talk about an arrangement?" Assuming he agrees but continues his idiocy and you aren't totally frustrated then ask what kind of arrangement did he have in mind in order to continue the relationship. Some guys just need the nudge to get off the bench. If he can't close the deal then you don't want him anyway.

RE: Spitfire

Are you considering her as an IRL GF? If so then go meet the family. If not and you just want a SB then stay away. There is no way that family and friends of this young girl will think it is acceptable for her to have a 20 yr senior BF. (even if you are a wonderful catch) They will mercilessly lobby her to find someone her own age. I sure would if my 22 yr old daughter brought home a SD. Now if it was Clint Eastwood I'd have to reconsider.

RE: Max and Love.

What IS love anyway? I've been married twicw and don't think I've felt it yet. I think I felt lust and enamouration, but after that flame flickers out about 1 to 2 years down the road and you have experienced that first major PMS meltdown then the "love" starts to die little by little. I think Sugar love is the way to go. Forget marriage and fall in "love / lust " every year or two.

Now Max. Think long and hard before you dump your enamorada who screws your brains out 4 times / day. I can't even get it up 2 times / day. You stud you! We might pose this question to Mandy but I think you will have a hard time finding a girl who will go even a round every single day much less multiples. In my work I talk to a lot of girls in counseling who complain about their multiorgasmic SOs who "require" sex every day. They don't like it that intensely once they have found their "catch " What say you Mandy?

What Nando writes is correct, when in a monogamous relationship; I do think our desire for sex tends to fade. However, let me give you a different perspective – For me, it's not that my want for it went down, I just got bored! Guys remember to change it up a bit. You all can get boring. Who wants to do the same thing over and over again! &9786;

At least, that's my opinion and I will say one reason I very much love my open marriage. Remember my comment 'I'm just like you all? ' I get bored quickly and like variety. And, when I have that, well then I can have a very high sex drive.

In Max's situation I can't seem to think the four times a day / four days a week thing will last. But, it does sound like he's introducing some fun and different things occasionally so maybe it will.

As for the love, long term 'real' relationship issue – that's a difficult world. My last SD decided to stop seeing me because he realized that's where his emotions were going. And, my first SD 'Him' and I both fell in love with each other. However, we know we have separate lives and neither of us will ever change our irl situation. While there is no longer an 'arrangement' between us, we do still adore the rare moments we can steel away and see each other. It's most certainly a fine line to walk.

I'm working on a blog post about love and sugar. I'll let you know when it's finally up.

Mandy

Well, after some delays, I finally met the second young woman I'd been talking to on SA. We'd agreed to have lunch, and I let her pick where. I got there a little early, but she arrived within about ten minutes of me. She's a little heavier than her picture, but not majorly, and she seems to be quite happy to see me. The wait staff had already spoken to me and set us a table aside, so we went in, took our seats, and started to get aquainted. She seems a very nice, quite pleasant youmg woman, quite engaging when she speaks, but a little reserved acting. I got the impression, though I never asked directly, that I was her first meet through SA, so that might explain some of her reserve. As things progressed, she opened up some and we spoke about several things that interested us as we enjoyed a good meal together. Unfortunately, the discussion never moved onto the subject of what she might want in the way of a relationship, and while she seemed quite happy to meet me, when it came time to leave, she was also quite clear that the meeting was over with.

I don't expect her to contact me right away, but the impression I have from the meeting was that I made a very large, deep, smoking crater in the ground, so I'm wondering if I'll ever hear anything from her again. Oh well, already have another nibble on another line, so if this doesn't work out, on to the next.

Well, my SB agreed to meet this week but then there was a twist. Received a message saying she got better out of town arrangement and hence can I increase my offerings. Well, I didn't like it as I accepted my SB's proposal to begin with, as it is my first time and don't know the rules of the game. Do you all have to do this kind of negotiations? I didn't like it. I felt. 1. Either it is a made up story (someone from big city offered double, can you bump up 2. Even if true, then why comeback and negotiate. Like price-match.

Any thoughts what I should do?

Thanks Mandy for your perspective.

"Love" is what I seek because of the boredom factor in a non loving arrangement. This is the spark that makes me want to go back and to spend time together beyond the climax. In it's absence I tire very quickly of the same ole same ole, but in my 1 year relationship (almost) I treasure the togetherness before and after "the event". Also love is what makes me feel committed to my SB. Even though I can go out anytime and get a girl for the day to add some variety, I don't do it out of respect for my SB. I hope that she is doing the same for me. If she isn't then I would look on our relationship as a sham and end it. I will not be just an ATM and a sex provider in a list of others. I would then seek a monogamous lover in the sugar world and try again.

I know this contradicts the theme of the Sugar world. I have engaged in multifucking for several years and while it is fun and interesting, it is not as satisfying to me as a relationship I am excited about and into. It's too bad I can't feel this way about my Wife. Unfortunately the stresses of living together and dealing with various marital traumas and insults slowly eat away at the thread that ties us to someone we originally were passionate about and loved. After these threads break the "right " way to handle it would be to end one relationship before starting another, but life is not always that simple given the presence of kids, financial ties and obligations, etc.

RE: Gogababa

This is after all a business for most of these ladies. You need to decide if she is worth the upsell which might be true or might not. If you are a gambling man tell her to have a good life and that your offer stands. A lot of good car deals were gotten by sticking to your guns. Why not a woman? Now if you seriously low balled her then you might bring the amount up to area standards depending on your ability to pay.

That is my opinion on that one. Time to move on and find a new SB. She just made it very clear that you will be nothing but an ATM thought the course of the relationship.

Mandy

[QUOTE=Gogababa; 1411490]Well, my SB agreed to meet this week but then there was a twist. Received a message saying she got better out of town arrangement and hence can I increase my offerings. Well, I didn't like it as I accepted my SB's proposal to begin with, as it is my first time and don't know the rules of the game. Do you all have to do this kind of negotiations? I didn't like it. I felt. 1. Either it is a made up story (someone from big city offered double, can you bump up 2. Even if true, then why comeback and negotiate. Like price-match.

Any thoughts what I should do?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gogababa; 1411490]Well, my SB agreed to meet this week but then there was a twist. Received a message saying she got better out of town arrangement and hence can I increase my offerings. Well, I didn't like it as I accepted my SB's proposal to begin with, as it is my first time and don't know the rules of the game. Do you all have to do this kind of negotiations? I didn't like it. I felt. 1. Either it is a made up story (someone from big city offered double, can you bump up 2. Even if true, then why comeback and negotiate. Like price-match.

Any thoughts what I should do?[/QUOTE]SW SW SW N.

Some will.

Some won't

So what NEXT.

Rubbish, stick to your guns, there are more than enough fishes out there.

I never had any troubles setting up new one.

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1411588]Thanks Mandy for your perspective.

"Love" is what I seek because of the boredom factor in a non loving arrangement. This is the spark that makes me want to go back and to spend time together beyond the climax. In it's absence I tire very quickly of the same ole same ole, but in my 1 year relationship (almost) I treasure the togetherness before and after "the event". Also love is what makes me feel committed to my SB. Even though I can go out anytime and get a girl for the day to add some variety, I don't do it out of respect for my SB. I hope that she is doing the same for me. If she isn't then I would look on our relationship as a sham and end it. I will not be just an ATM and a sex provider in a list of others. I would then seek a monogamous lover in the sugar world and try again.

I know this contradicts the theme of the Sugar world. I have engaged in multifucking for several years and while it is fun and interesting, it is not as satisfying to me as a relationship I am excited about and into. It's too bad I can't feel this way about my Wife. Unfortunately the stresses of living together and dealing with various marital traumas and insults slowly eat away at the thread that ties us to someone we originally were passionate about and loved. After these threads break the "right " way to handle it would be to end one relationship before starting another, but life is not always that simple given the presence of kids, financial ties and obligations, etc.[/QUOTE]Well said. Whatever you call it, it is possible to develop an emotional attachment beyond mere friendship. My ATF and I regularly say "I love you" to each other. But we also both are realistic about what that means, and we've actually discussed it. My home life isn't going to change, and she doesn't want a "real boyfriend." Still, we care about each other, want each other to be happy and successful, and genuinely enjoy spending time together.

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy; 1411639]SW SW SW N.

Some will.

Some won't

So what NEXT.

Rubbish, stick to your guns, there are more than enough fishes out there.

I never had any troubles setting up new one.[/QUOTE]Thank you all for the input. I appreciate it. Well looks like I am not planning to move forward after all the excuses from SB and some more bargaining. Well, I will continue my search. Have one more date coming up. Little drive but will see. Keep you posted.

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy; 1411639]SW SW SW N.

Some will.

Some won't

So what NEXT.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but what the heck does this mean?

[QUOTE=Hernando; 1411592]RE: Gogababa

This is after all a business for most of these ladies. You need to decide if she is worth the upsell which might be true or might not. If you are a gambling man tell her to have a good life and that your offer stands. A lot of good car deals were gotten by sticking to your guns. Why not a woman? Now if you seriously low balled her then you might bring the amount up to area standards depending on your ability to pay.[/QUOTE]Hernando,

I think now I agree with you as she was here strictly as business where I was looking for someone who willl spend time, care for me when we together. Moving along! Thanks for the advise

Tonight I have my regular date night with Memories. We're starting Salsa lessons together, which is very cute! You see, I used to be a competitive ballroom dancer and he knows it. I think it's adorable that he wants to take a few lessons so we can go dancing together. After dance class, we have dinner plans and then I'll stay overnight with him in the city. I'm very much looking forward to the evening!

Tomorrow is going to be my hectic day. I have lunch with one Pot and then drinks later in the evening with another Pot. Now, I don't play on a first meeting. Just my safety rule. And, I'll rule one of the two out before pursuing the arrangement at that level. At the moment the lunch Pot is winning. The drinks guy seems to be a little high maintenance and is constantly IMing me. Hopefully, they both go well and I end up having a choice! And well. I'm secretly really hoping that the lunch date goes very well!

Wish me luck!

Mandy

For the hell of it, last night I emailed SB#2, the lunch date. Nothing before I had to rack out, but I found a nice reply from her this morning before I went out the door. Whether she's just being polite, or if she's still interested, I'm not sure at this point. Guess it's time to wait and see.

On the 'other line' front, in the last message from her, she mentioned the possibility of bringing a girlfriend if we meet. And the strong possibility that we could end up 'playing' too. *definitely* going to have to see if I can land this nibbler.