"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Had a sb play me good. We met and had a wonderful night, alot in common, etc. At the end of the night she asked if I wanted to hang out again but for free, and it wod be nice if I could just help her out once and awhile. We talked daily, she was very caring and sweet. We were going to hang out one night and made plans. During the day she asked if she could "borrow" $400 until Friday. I said yes and she could keep $300. That night I never heard from her and she didn't reply to my messages. It wasn't like her to disappear, so I sent her a few texts asking her to let me know she was ok. Finally, 3 days later she responds saying that I "didn't seem enthused to help", and now she is "seeing someone" so our relationship is over. I haven't heard from her since. I just don't understand. If it was always about money, why ask me to hang out for free? Any one else ever come actoss this also?

[QUOTE=SoleKollectah;3316593]Had a sb play me good. We met and had a wonderful night, alot in common, etc. At the end of the night she asked if I wanted to hang out again but for free, and it wod be nice if I could just help her out once and awhile. We talked daily, she was very caring and sweet. We were going to hang out one night and made plans. During the day she asked if she could "borrow" $400 until Friday. I said yes and she could keep $300. That night I never heard from her and she didn't reply to my messages. It wasn't like her to disappear, so I sent her a few texts asking her to let me know she was ok. Finally, 3 days later she responds saying that I "didn't seem enthused to help", and now she is "seeing someone" so our relationship is over. I haven't heard from her since. I just don't understand. If it was always about money, why ask me to hang out for free? Any one else ever come actoss this also?[/QUOTE]You were played from the very beginning. As for the 'hanging for free' it was a ploy to gain your trust and make you like her.

You were likely not her first nor her last and I'll bet she does this to all the guys she meets.

Chalk it up to lessons learned. A loan is almost best called a 'free gift'.

[QUOTE=SoleKollectah;3316593]Had a sb play me good. We met and had a wonderful night, alot in common, etc. At the end of the night she asked if I wanted to hang out again but for free, and it wod be nice if I could just help her out once and awhile. We talked daily, she was very caring and sweet. We were going to hang out one night and made plans. During the day she asked if she could "borrow" $400 until Friday. I said yes and she could keep $300. That night I never heard from her and she didn't reply to my messages. It wasn't like her to disappear, so I sent her a few texts asking her to let me know she was ok. Finally, 3 days later she responds saying that I "didn't seem enthused to help", and now she is "seeing someone" so our relationship is over. I haven't heard from her since. I just don't understand. If it was always about money, why ask me to hang out for free? Any one else ever come actoss this also?[/QUOTE]You broke rules #1 ,2,and 3 of Sugaring. Don't EVER advance money to an SB. It almost always ends up as it did for you. This has happened to all of us I'm sure -certainly to me. We are suckers for a pretty face, big tits, and optimism.

Post her SA profile address for the rest of us to see.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3316770]You broke rules #1 ,2,and 3 of Sugaring. Don't EVER advance money to an SB. It almost always ends up as it did for you. This has happened to all of us I'm sure -certainly to me. We are suckers for a pretty face, big tits, and optimism.

Post her SA profile address for the rest of us to see.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. Don't ever give advance. Yes please post info or share her profile. May be one of SD can teach them lesson. Some how so they don't mess up or take advantage of another SD.

One SB agreed for arrangement and meeting. Then she demanded prepay via Paypal. I declined. Then she said, pay just before the date begins. I said I call it off. SB told me. She is compromised from paypal to cash. And I think she deserves upfront money. I just called it off. ! Then bargain started. I will recommend avoiding those SB with intention of fraud. I will just ask "find any job where you can get salary ahead. It is always when the month ends".

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3316811]I agree with you. Don't ever give advance. Yes please post info or share her profile. May be one of SD can teach them lesson. Some how so they don't mess up or take advantage of another SD.

One SB agreed for arrangement and meeting. Then she demanded prepay via Paypal. I declined. Then she said, pay just before the date begins. I said I call it off. SB told me. She is compromised from paypal to cash. And I think she deserves upfront money. I just called it off. ! Then bargain started. I will recommend avoiding those SB with intention of fraud. I will just ask "find any job where you can get salary ahead. It is always when the month ends".[/QUOTE]She never showed up for the money though. I don't get why she said the whole "hang out for free thing".

[QUOTE=SoleKollectah;3316900]She never showed up for the money though. I don't get why she said the whole "hang out for free thing".[/QUOTE]Ahh. May cold feet or found a better deal. Some of the SBs are trying to see where the best deal is.

[QUOTE=FScott;3311422]
As for On the Road sugaring, I've had fantastic success with contacting SBs ahead of time in any city I'm traveling to and lining up dates and FC visits for every night I'm there. In my experience there are several key things you need to do in order to be successful at this:

1. Don't start contacting them any more or less than two weeks out.

2. Be EXTREMELY polite and a little circumspect about your true intentions. Mention dinner or drinks after work, but only hint that you are comfortable with more intimate activities if she is, with mutual chemistry being paramount.

3. Share your private pics on first contact. It saves time and shows you have nothing to hide.

4. Mention you are an experienced SD. Lets them know you understand the rules.

5. Carpet-bomb your target city. This is a percentage game, and you want to contact anyone who gets the little head going in order to increase your response rate.

6. Let them know that if you hit it off, you will contact them the next time you are in that city. Makes the true amateurs feel less like they are fucking a stranger from out of town on a one-night stand.

I've been in the Bowl for over 6 years, and this approach has never failed me. I was down in New Orleans a few months ago for three nights and had someone new each night, with one of them being a threesome I set up with two babies who both said they were into women as well as men but did not know each other! I got very little sleep that night! Be prepared for the reality that you will get a very low percentage of responses, most likely, but you only need a couple to make the trip fun, right? I've used this technique all across the country, and never sleep alone when out of town on business!

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott.[/QUOTE]Hey, Scott. These rules are also the things I have instinctively adopted. I am planning for an April Fool's weekend away (I hope this doesn't become ironic). I did as you advise, making many contacts. Of course, many have fallen away for various reasons. I am now at about 5-6 POTs for the 2 nights I'll be there. Any suggestions on prioritizing them? And, now that I have the fish on the hook, how do I play them (different from regular SBs) to get them in the boat? How much pre-negotiation did you do regarding sugar and activities? I usually try to push that as late as possible, but on the other hand I don't want to spend a nice dinner on a girl who is then going to ask 10K to spend the night.

I have a M&G set up with this one for tonight. All indications are for a quick trip to the FC. In fact, she is going to meet me at my room and we can "decide from there what to do".

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/11386c74-fb44-46bd-9175-ab384aa22cc9[/URL]

She is probably a pro because she was so quick to agree to meet but no sugar has been discussed yet.

What say you, fellow daddies?

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3318084]I have a M&G set up with this one for tonight. All indications are for a quick trip to the FC. In fact, she is going to meet me at my room and we can "decide from there what to do".

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/11386c74-fb44-46bd-9175-ab384aa22cc9[/URL]

She is probably a pro because she was so quick to agree to meet but no sugar has been discussed yet.

What say you, fellow daddies?[/QUOTE]She's a definite UTR. Sends me her number out of the blue and request that I text her. Some others have seen her in the FC with no complaints. Have Fun!

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3318084]I have a M&G set up with this one for tonight. All indications are for a quick trip to the FC. In fact, she is going to meet me at my room and we can "decide from there what to do".

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/11386c74-fb44-46bd-9175-ab384aa22cc9[/URL]

She is probably a pro because she was so quick to agree to meet but no sugar has been discussed yet.

What say you, fellow daddies?[/QUOTE]Yes, she is UTR. I know Summer asked me to do the same. It's been 2 months. So don't remember. ! I think she got two profiles. And also could be more than UTR. ! Don't recall but there was something because of which I declined. I didn't see her though!

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3318148]Yes, she is UTR. I know Summer asked me to do the same. It's been 2 months. So don't remember. ! I think she got two profiles. And also could be more than UTR. ! Don't recall but there was something because of which I declined. I didn't see her though![/QUOTE]Yes she does have two profiles, came to my hotel twice, def got some rolls but pussy did feel good, good kisser but does smoke. I didn't realize the second time I set something up that it was her, but I was so horny and her pussy does feel good, so did it anyway. Once done, she pretty much leaves. She's kind of cute.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3317729]Hey, Scott. These rules are also the things I have instinctively adopted. I am planning for an April Fool's weekend away (I hope this doesn't become ironic). I did as you advise, making many contacts. Of course, many have fallen away for various reasons. I am now at about 5-6 POTs for the 2 nights I'll be there. Any suggestions on prioritizing them? And, now that I have the fish on the hook, how do I play them (different from regular SBs) to get them in the boat? How much pre-negotiation did you do regarding sugar and activities? I usually try to push that as late as possible, but on the other hand I don't want to spend a nice dinner on a girl who is then going to ask 10K to spend the night.[/QUOTE]Good for you FarFar!

I personally like to have a few more fish on the line than nights to spend with them right up to the end. Invariably one or two will get cold feet, need to go out of town suddenly or get into a "car crash" or some other tragedy that will prevent them from taking their panties off. I would say 5 POTS for 2 nights sounds about right. You can always meet one of them for breakfast!

As for how far to push the convo toward the FC is a personal and individual thing you just need to feel with each baby.

On my last trip to Nola, I was texting back and forth for several days in a playful, flirtatious manner, but she always ended her texts to me with something like "We'll just have to wait and see ", by which I took her to mean that there was less than 100% certainty that she would see things through, but a couple of days before I left she asked if I would get an STD test and show her the results. I told her I had just has one a week before, texted her a picture and got a reply "thanks, I'm good with that <3".

She ended up being one of the more spirited fucks I've had in a while, so you just never know.

As for sugar amounts, I've never had a Road Baby ask about a specific amount beforehand except the ones that turned out to be pros. Remember, you are offering a powerful fantasy to them as well as to yourself. A successful and relatively attractive stranger is coming into their town and wants to spend time with them at a nice restaurant or bar, focused exclusively on them. They can fuck you, their friends will never know, and chances are good they'll never see you again. A RB in North Carolina told me that is an extremely erotic fantasy for a lot of 20 somethings who are comfortable with their sexuality but don't what to get a reputation as a **** in their hometowns by fucking too many of their peers.

Tally ho, good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott.

Do you all normally tell SBs upfront that you will not be providing an allowance for a M&G? I have been taking the direct first message approach and got one to text. She then suggests grabbing dinner. I've tried the "sure, but I don't give sugar for M&Gs" approach only once before, and she then went silent on me. Advice?

[QUOTE=Gesab69;3318784]Do you all normally tell SBs upfront that you will not be providing an allowance for a M&G? I have been taking the direct first message approach and got one to text. She then suggests grabbing dinner. I've tried the "sure, but I don't give sugar for M&Gs" approach only once before, and she then went silent on me. Advice?[/QUOTE]I've lost count how many M&Gs I have been on in the last 2 years. Maybe 4 have asked for money to meet. I declined and moved on. With all the rest I never mention anything about paying them. A few messages back and forth will determine if you have a real SB or just a money grabber. Once a new girl starts finding she can get guys to pay for a m&g, she is pretty much headed off to GPS land.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3318084]I have a M&G set up with this one for tonight. All indications are for a quick trip to the FC. In fact, she is going to meet me at my room and we can "decide from there what to do".

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/11386c74-fb44-46bd-9175-ab384aa22cc9[/URL]

She is probably a pro because she was so quick to agree to meet but no sugar has been discussed yet.

What say you, fellow daddies?[/QUOTE]We texted numerous times throughout the day. She sent me pictures of her large soft DD tits unsolicited. Hmmmm, methinks Little Man is in for a happy evening.

Due to work constraints, Ipushed back our 530 meet time to 6 pm. SHe knocked on the door at 6 pm exactly. Got to love that.

Physically, she is a litlle larger with a belly than I prefer. Iam not a fan of babies advertising themselves as an average body type when she could definitely lose 50 lbs. The pics she sends are defintely froma flattering angle.

No matter, we both knew why she was here. She declined my offer to go out for dinner and instead we ordered Chinese delivery. 45 minutes they say. She said let's get comfortable (yeah def pro language there) while we wait. Istarted playing with the large soft DDs and she very quickly went to BBBJ. She hoovers very well. Damnit, Five minutes in and there is a knock at the door. 45 minute delivery time turned into 5 minutes! I paid for the food and went straight back to the BBBJ finishing it with NQNS.

Talked some, ate, talked some more and soon headed back into the bedroom of the suite. Multiple positions later we ended with another BBBJNQNS. She told me everything was on the menu but I never tried or asked for a tropical trip.

After that, she was pretty quick to leave with 2 cubes of sugar.

Would I repeat? Her skills are there, but the girl is larger than I care for. I would repeat only if I am unable to finder a suitable spinner next time I am in town.

There you go fellow daddies! My first foray into the Richmond bowl after reading about it for so long!