"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FScott;3311422]Leaf,

To me, her pic looks like the typical shot one sees on BP and CL of a pro, semi-pro or UTR. Her text practically screams "I'll fuck you for money, no questions asked," so it shouldn't be a problem if you can get her to respond.

As for On the Road sugaring, I've had fantastic success with contacting SBs ahead of time in any city I'm traveling to and lining up dates and FC visits for every night I'm there. In my experience there are several key things you need to do in order to be successful at this:

1. Don't start contacting them any more or less than two weeks out.

2. Be EXTREMELY polite and a little circumspect about your true intentions. Mention dinner or drinks after work, but only hint that you are comfortable with more intimate activities if she is, with mutual chemistry being paramount.

3. Share your private pics on first contact. It saves time and shows you have nothing to hide.

4. Mention you are an experienced SD. Lets them know you understand the rules.

5. Carpet-bomb your target city. This is a percentage game, and you want to contact anyone who gets the little head going in order to increase your response rate.

6. Let them know that if you hit it off, you will contact them the next time you are in that city. Makes the true amateurs feel less like they are fucking a stranger from out of town on a one-night stand.

I've been in the Bowl for over 6 years, and this approach has never failed me. I was down in New Orleans a few months ago for three nights and had someone new each night, with one of them being a threesome I set up with two babies who both said they were into women as well as men but did not know each other! I got very little sleep that night! Be prepared for the reality that you will get a very low percentage of responses, most likely, but you only need a couple to make the trip fun, right? I've used this technique all across the country, and never sleep alone when out of town on business!

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott.[/QUOTE]Great share. I don't travel too much, but I expect that to ramp up. A couple of times I simply waited too late missing that two week window as described.

Also, completely agree on the quoted girl, definitely screams exactly that.

I had a dream with my first SB who turned out to be a real life 9/10. She is Thai and white mixed. Her body was flawless. 21 year old who I truly believe wants to only deal with one SD. I was able to use her phone # to verify her FB and she looked even hotter in person. DATY was so sweet. She was amazing in bed and took the D like a pro at first. I have a strong feeling that she may be looking for another SD soon. I took enhancements and I lasted like a stallion with her. She was tight and could not take the D any longer. If I end up not seeing her anymore then I can pass username along. I think it may be a one shot thing for me. I have first dates with four other SB's over the next couple of weeks.

I couldn't agree more. It can take a lot of time to cultivate the young ones. I don't rush them and let them come along at their own pace. The rewards can be high for the patient.

I started messaging a girl 6 months ago. We stayed in casual contact by text. I never pushed too hard, but gently suggested meeting every now and then. We finally had a m+g recently.

We hit it off well, and agreed to another date still with no discussion of the FC until she brought up allowance. I told her at some level, every relationship has expectations of intimacy and financial support and that I'm patient until she is comfortable going to that level. . a more subtle way to suggest "no sugar until the panties hit the floor"! LOL.

She spent the night last night with 4 rounds of fun. A banging body and a bit of a freak hidden under casual clothes and a shy demeanor. I'm more than 30 years older than her and 15 years older than the oldest man she has been with. I know I surprised her with how much fun an older man can be in the bedroom! LOL.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3311487]Many people recommend never being first to bring up an in-person meeting w / the really young ones, which could be responsible for them going silent. Yes, that could mean even weeks of messaging w / no prospect of M&G, hard for those of you unused to delayed gratification, and otherwise hitting the girls active on BP. But, that could be the only way to get those rewards.

I've had young ones meet up after significant cultivation, then go silent right after, and again, I think my error was in discussing any specific of an arrangement at that time. If they are low on experience, they need to come to an accommodation of it in their own time if you are going to score. Slow play is the only way. Another reason SBs aren't just hookers, contradicting an assertion of Admin2 on these threads recently.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Demond36;3312572]I had a dream with my first SB who turned out to be a real life 9/10. She is Thai and white mixed. Her body was flawless. 21 year old who I truly believe wants to only deal with one SD. I was able to use her phone # to verify her FB and she looked even hotter in person. DATY was so sweet. She was amazing in bed and took the D like a pro at first. I have a strong feeling that she may be looking for another SD soon. I took enhancements and I lasted like a stallion with her. She was tight and could not take the D any longer. If I end up not seeing her anymore then I can pass username along. I think it may be a one shot thing for me. I have first dates with four other SB's over the next couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]Hmm, was it Victoria by chance?

The last few times I've logged into SA, I haven't been asked to do any CloudFlare security checks. As much as they are a pain, I like the security they provide from screen-scrapers who could possibly compromise those of us who have a lot to lose: w / SO, etc. Anyone know why this is? I may deactivate my profile as a precaution.

SA now also offers total deletion of the profile, not just going inactive.

[QUOTE=VChase;3312908]Hmm, was it Victoria by chance?[/QUOTE]No wasn't Victoria.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3313152]The last few times I've logged into SA, I haven't been asked to do any CloudFlare security checks. As much as they are a pain, I like the security they provide from screen-scrapers who could possibly compromise those of us who have a lot to lose: w / SO, etc. Anyone know why this is? I may deactivate my profile as a precaution.

SA now also offers total deletion of the profile, not just going inactive.[/QUOTE]It's mostly due to the IP address you're coming from:

[URL]https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203366080-Why-do-I-see-a-captcha-or-challenge-page-Attention-Required-trying-to-visit-a-site-protected-by-Cloudflare-as-a-site-visitor-[/URL]

If CloudFlare has been seeing less suspicious activity from the IP block your address is part of lately, that would explain you not getting the CAPTCHA anymore. I've never gotten one on SA.

Instead of deactivating, though, you could just set your account to not show up in search results. I have mine set that way anyway because I haven't seen any value in letting girls find me. I only ever got messages from girls I wasn't interested in. I'd rather be the one finding and reaching out to them.

Finally got burned for once. I guess it happens to everyone eventually. Ignored the signs (obvious UTR, stripper, bit of a weak profile) because her body was rather amazing (and felt amazing too) and the little head was doing all the thinking.

19 why / o mixed girl, absolutely banging body. Potentially the best I've come across. And downhill from there. "I should have said, I don't do that, and that, and that. " Smoke on the breath, no oral to be shared. Basically served as a temporary warm hole and skedaddled as soon as the deed was done. Probably the worst sexual experience in my life. Shame, because it could have been lucrative for her.

A learning lesson for sure.

If the worst experience you have is a bad lay, you are lucky. Many of us have been stood up or ripped off.

I've had several bad experiences with "10's". They usually know they are hot and feel I'm just lucky to be intimate with them.

I've learned how to filter them out now. I'm not sure I can say exactly how, but it is a feeling or sense I get. Maybe because of their hotness, I used to ignore my intuition. If they talk too much about themselves or don't seem genuinely interested in me I know it won't be a good experience and move on. I've surprised a few when I've passed after the meet and greet because the connection wasn't there. They couldn't believe someone would pass on them because of they are so hot.

My best experiences have been with reluctant beauties who don't realize how beautiful they are. They really appreciate the attention and enjoy the experience as much, if not more, than I do.

[QUOTE=Xenpar;3313768]Finally got burned for once. I guess it happens to everyone eventually. Ignored the signs (obvious UTR, stripper, bit of a weak profile) because her body was rather amazing (and felt amazing too) and the little head was doing all the thinking.

19 why / o mixed girl, absolutely banging body. Potentially the best I've come across. And downhill from there. "I should have said, I don't do that, and that, and that. " Smoke on the breath, no oral to be shared. Basically served as a temporary warm hole and skedaddled as soon as the deed was done. Probably the worst sexual experience in my life. Shame, because it could have been lucrative for her.

A learning lesson for sure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;3313721]
Instead of deactivating, though, you could just set your account to not show up in search results. I have mine set that way anyway because I haven't seen any value in letting girls find me. I only ever got messages from girls I wasn't interested in. I'd rather be the one finding and reaching out to them.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm just super cautious. I have an SO and a lot to lose. There's always going to be great pussy available on SA, no reason I need any particular girl any particular week. My usual practice, like you, is to have my profile hidden from searches when I am active on the site, paid or unpaid. Yep, when I had an open profile, I got all kinds of crazy contacts from women around the world that were a total waste of bandwidth. No, I'm not going to be in Moldova soon and I don't want to buy your videos.

I mostly deactivate when I am not on the site, unless I am in very active hunting mode and I want POTs to see my profile in response to my contact. I am traveling in 2 weeks so I am about to go there, to get some company for a Bay Area weekend. I actually tried to raise some acvice from San Fran SDs a while back, to no avail. If any of you reading this de facto national thread know anything about the pickings in San Fran on SA, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=Demond36;3312572]I had a dream with my first SB who turned out to be a real life 9/10. She is Thai and white mixed. Her body was flawless. 21 year old who I truly believe wants to only deal with one SD. I was able to use her phone # to verify her FB and she looked even hotter in person. DATY was so sweet. She was amazing in bed and took the D like a pro at first. I have a strong feeling that she may be looking for another SD soon. I took enhancements and I lasted like a stallion with her. She was tight and could not take the D any longer. If I end up not seeing her anymore then I can pass username along. I think it may be a one shot thing for me. I have first dates with four other SB's over the next couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]Almost sounds like LostNoMore in NC. Do you play in the bowl more up in the VA talent pool? Feel free to PM me if it is her, though she just turned 22 two weeks ago.

She is from VB. Has anyone had any experiences with her?

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3314315]Almost sounds like LostNoMore in NC. Do you play in the bowl more up in the VA talent pool? Feel free to PM me if it is her, though she just turned 22 two weeks ago.[/QUOTE]She has not logged in or responded back to me since we met Thursday. Here is her info if you want to give her a try, she starts her arrangement very high priced, but I talked her down.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cb7cb82c-d1cf-4ecb-8a42-9dce8ab0e03b[/URL]

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3310213]Have to be in Richmond next week for work and wondered if it would be worth my time to contact this one for a quick FC visit? Tried searching TFF but found nothing under andlove.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/cbf16ea4-610d-4eeb-adbc-b775a244acbe[/URL][/QUOTE]For what it's worth, I just noticed that there are a lot of hits for her pic on Google Images and Tineye. She might still look similar, but safe bet that it's not her in that pic.

A while back I reported that you could use OneVanilla to buy your SA membership provided you check a box on the payment page that it's a prepaid debit card. That is still the case, but I had trouble today. The card I did this with last time was saved on the site, and I thought hey, how convenient, I don't have to input all that crap again. However, it did not go through. I went to a bunch of trouble to message 'W8tech' to try to get them to run it and then tried an alternative. I deleted that card as a payment option, then I went in and paid with it like it was new. That worked fine. So, it's a minor inconvenience to have to enter all the info again, but at least it works reliably.