"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DCOutlaw;3303170]Her ask was 500 not 200.[/QUOTE]She is an escort of course-not an SB.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3302459]Thanks. POT asked for place to meet! I asked if POT prefers outside or more indoor. POT said, if weather good then outside if not indoor because of cold. In the conversation she also says surprise me.

Now I am meeting with POT this weekend and for me this will be the best SB. I ever meet. How do I take it? I need to drive about an hour to meet but how to proceed? Should I just say. We can meet for coffee and then head to my room? Or have a dinner and then see where things go? Or ask her. If POT prefers more private / discrete type meet?

Super excited for this POT. And hoping to win this prize.[/QUOTE]Have the M&G. Near the end tell her that you are super into her and would like to start the arrangement as soon as possible. Ask her if she feels the same way. If the answer is "yes" say " how about right now? Or if I am being a little forward would you prefer to schedule a later date?" If she agrees to right now then say "we can get a room and spend a few hours together if that is OK with you =-.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3302461]SD4 ME at one time was what SA is now. I joined it back around 2009 and did fairley well. The only problem with it back then was they beat you to death on the reoccurring membership. Took an act of god to cancel it if you could. Anway today its basically a waist of time. You will find some girls have profiles on both but SA is the go to site for now.[/QUOTE]Agreed. My favorite SB came from there, but that was in 2010.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3303214]I have started referring to my SB as my daughter when out (restaurants, etc). It's plausible in this case as she is the right age and Caucasian- - it would be less so if she were another ethnicity. If I should happen to be seen by an acquaintance, I can use this and then say (reasonably) that she is a love child my current SO knows nothing about so I'd appreciate their discretion. Practice makes perfect, though - I slipped and said 'girlfriend ... daughter' today.[/QUOTE]I spent a year with a 21 year old mixed VCU student. When we would go out to eat they would always check her age if she ordered a glass of wine. We had an agreement that if we saw someone we knew out in public that she was the daughter of a friend of mine. Luckily we never saw anyone we knew despite spending a lot of time out in public. It would have started a lot of gossip where I work. She has graduated and moved back home. Lots of great memories.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/fa3c4459-4e8e-461c-9c0a-056be6f072a2[/URL]

I spent quite alot of time texting with this one. Had a M&G and I thought things went great but I didn't have the time at that moment for a trip to the FC. All signs indicated that is what she was down for.

Ended up several days later picking her up from a location north of town when I was headed back from a a little trip. The texting between us gave every indication that we were on the same page. She even said "we can get a room".

So we head back into town, get a room, and she wants to take a shower. Of course I let her. I knew we were going to have to at some point take her to pay a debt owed. Shortly out of the shower, both of us naked on the bed, when she says we need to go pay debt now. I was very hesitant about the whole thing thinking she was going to cash & dash. She convinced me that leaving all her stuff in the room guaranteed that she would come back with me. I asked her, while both naked, to ease my mind and grab hold of Little Man. She did more than that and proceeded with a very nice BBBJ. Reeled me in just enough before she said we need to go meet them now.

Long story short, we went and paid debt and came back to the room. She said she was starving so I had her order a pizza which would be there in 15 minutes. Hey baby, while we are waiting let's go back to the BBBJ. No problem. I stopped her before I blew and she asked why. I said I wanted to wait until we were having sex.

I don't have sex on the first date was her response. Either I read her texts completely wrong, or I just got scammed.

I am thinking I got scammed but I do like this POT. Several other things don't mesh such as no drugs. Oh I used to do opiates and heroin but am clean 5 years now. I don't smoke. Well, I do but only occasionally and vape the rest of the time. I don't drink. Well occasionally I will have a glass of wine.

I am leaning toward saying goodbye but really do like her as a person.

What say, Fellow Daddies?

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3305093][URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/fa3c4459-4e8e-461c-9c0a-056be6f072a2[/URL]

I spent quite alot of time texting with this one. Had a M&G and I thought things went great but I didn't have the time at that moment for a trip to the FC. All signs indicated that is what she was down for.

Ended up several days later picking her up from a location north of town when I was headed back from a a little trip. The texting between us gave every indication that we were on the same page. She even said "we can get a room".

So we head back into town, get a room, and she wants to take a shower. Of course I let her. I knew we were going to have to at some point take her to pay a debt owed. Shortly out of the shower, both of us naked on the bed, when she says we need to go pay debt now. I was very hesitant about the whole thing thinking she was going to cash & dash. She convinced me that leaving all her stuff in the room guaranteed that she would come back with me. I asked her, while both naked, to ease my mind and grab hold of Little Man. She did more than that and proceeded with a very nice BBBJ. Reeled me in just enough before she said we need to go meet them now.

Long story short, we went and paid debt and came back to the room. She said she was starving so I had her order a pizza which would be there in 15 minutes. Hey baby, while we are waiting let's go back to the BBBJ. No problem. I stopped her before I blew and she asked why. I said I wanted to wait until we were having sex.

I don't have sex on the first date was her response. Either I read her texts completely wrong, or I just got scammed.

I am thinking I got scammed but I do like this POT. Several other things don't mesh such as no drugs. Oh I used to do opiates and heroin but am clean 5 years now. I don't smoke. Well, I do but only occasionally and vape the rest of the time. I don't drink. Well occasionally I will have a glass of wine.

I am leaning toward saying goodbye but really do like her as a person.

What say, Fellow Daddies?[/QUOTE]Run away. Far away. Never look back. Far too many fish in the sea to take a chance with one that has been sitting out on the dock in the sun for a day.

Way too many other better options. The SB scale is more like the real life scale and higher than the streetwalker scale, utr scale or escort scale. A 10 SB is an actual 10 in the real world.

We've all done it as we sharpen our skills in the bowl, but don't waste time with difficult "average" girls. With practice, you should be able to find good looking, easy to deal with sugar babies.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3305290]Run away. Far away. Never look back. Far too many fish in the sea to take a chance with one that has been sitting out on the dock in the sun for a day.[/QUOTE]

I keep hearing this song "Guys My Age" on the top 40 stations. The whole song, the female singer is talking about being sick of the young guys her age and wanting an older man to love her. Hmmm, wonder if this mainstreaming of older male-young female relationships will translate into more ladies willing to be sugar babies.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3LzWUAkpNrQ[/URL]

I don't know that frustration with men their age is anything new, but the Internet makes sharing frustrations with younger guys and access to older men easier.

Technology has accelerated the trend!

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3305960]I keep hearing this song "Guys My Age" on the top 40 stations. The whole song, the female singer is talking about being sick of the young guys her age and wanting an older man to love her. Hmmm, wonder if this mainstreaming of older male-young female relationships will translate into more ladies willing to be sugar babies.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3LzWUAkpNrQ[/URL][/QUOTE]

Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]GC,

It's all based on the expectation you set early on. Pay for Play vs Pay for Date or even a more casual set up. If you haven't been to the FC after 3 meets then I think she's taking advantage of you. If she's taking care of all your needs and you have great chemistry then you might decide to just cover dinner and perhaps give her a smaller amount. I would tell her why in a roundabout way which doesn't cheapen the relationship but lets her know you're not looking for another casual friend either.

As with dinner, I try to do picnics in parks to be discreet. If dining publicly is needed I meet in the next town over and avoid popular restaurants on busy streets.

Hope this helps.

Safe Journeys,

Vinny.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]Simply put, by accepting dinner only, you have agreed to her terms. In her mind, you are paying her to spend time with her. I would bet money that she is going to expect the same amount because it is still a meet in her mind. If you are OK with that, bully for you. Not me. If I meet with a sugar baby after the meet and greet, we both know up front that every time we meet, we are going to the FC.
I would definitely start the bargaining with no sugar and go from there in your situation.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]No sugar because paying for her dinner and drink is the sugar. If she expects several hundred bucks to just go on platonic dates, toss her back into the pond and keep fishing.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3307338]Simply put, by accepting dinner only, you have agreed to her terms. In her mind, you are paying her to spend time with her. I would bet money that she is going to expect the same amount because it is still a meet in her mind. If you are OK with that, bully for you. Not me. If I meet with a sugar baby after the meet and greet, we both know up front that every time we meet, we are going to the FC.
I would definitely start the bargaining with no sugar and go from there in your situation.[/QUOTE]Well, I will never give sugar for just dinner. This is SB is good but can't waste sugar. ! Thanks for the tips. I hate to lose this SB but no sugar for dinner date for sure.

I don't think there is a problem clarifying your expectations for the first meet vs future dates.

Just clarify that what you have negotiated and agreed to is the terms should both of you agree to pursue an arrangement. The first meet has no expectations (of intimacy or allowance) other than to see if you have a connection and both want to continue. Your treat of course.

The first meet is like a job interview. It's fair to discuss the salary range and expectations of the job prior to the interview, but no one expects to get paid for the interview. Now if you start working the same day, you would expect to get paid for that.

If she has a problem with that, then cut her loose and you have saved yourself future headaches.

[QUOTE=GeorgeRichmond;3307164]Quick qn and need guidance. Arrangement is set for sugar per meet. Good 2-3 times sugar meets. Now question is if the meet is only for dinner, based on SB request, do you give full sugar, less sugar or no sugar. Confused now about what will be expectation from SB. On sugar level. Also, how do I avoid going on dinner date in public. Which I like to avoid.[/QUOTE]