"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3293695]Hey what's up playas.

I am in Atlanta and I have been lurking for a while. I got inspired and I finally pulled the trigger on SA 5 days ago and got the premium membership. So I tried sending my allowance / date amount in the first letter or when we are chatting after the first letter. The "pros"(experience SBs or UTRs) straight up started negotiating and agreed to the acts. But when I was talking to a few of younger (18-22) chicks and talked about the allowance / date and told them that I expected "physical intimacy" it did NOT work (no M&G just over chat or txt). I scheduled M&G with one of them and when I said I'll give you gas money, she stopped replying.

I've read almost all of the FAQ's but I am still unclear on one basic concepts.

- At the M&G when you are discussing the arrangement how do you make sure they understand that they need to put out after a date, without sounding like a douche bag?

(Now I know these girls aren't prostitutes and I don't think of them as prostitutes either, I just don't know how to NOT sound like I do.).

I'd appreciate some help.[/QUOTE]It is all in here from a lot of different perspectives. The one tip I have, never talk about sex or money until you meet. Sometimes I ask what their expectations are, but I keep my responses non-monentary all about chemestry etc.

It's full.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3294131]It is all in here from a lot of different perspectives. The one tip I have, never talk about sex or money until you meet. Sometimes I ask what their expectations are, but I keep my responses non-monentary all about chemestry etc.[/QUOTE]SA is one of those trail and error experience, M&G will lead to something or nothing but will cost you a little, like drinks or dinner and time, but don't give them cash. In term of pricing, range from 100 to 1000 or more, base on what you want. In my view the high end SA girls (18-22) slim hot college co-ed like some in this video [URL]www.girlsdoporn.com[/URL] will cost you at least 300+ and many just want (platonic friendship only is bullshit) the low end average (25+ few extra pound, curvy, old, mature average ladies) will cost you much less, there an old saying "you get what you paid for" I believe that hold true in SA world, good luck also a lots of scam as in prepaid, like need gas, food, car insurance, prove you are real, ect all BS. DO NOT PREPAID. Here a new scam sign up for Dating I'd to go on a date with her soo funny scam haha.

Ditto. Please clear.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3294173]It's full.[/QUOTE]

My experience has been different. I've found the girls that ask for the most deliver the the worst experience. If they are only in it for the biggest pay day, they are looking for a mark.

My best experiences have been with real non-pro / non-utr SB's, new to the game looking for the fantasy of an older, confident successful man that will treat them better than many of the guys their own tage. The money is a bonus, but not the entire reason they are on the site.

If you are a reasonably good looking, older, professional, gentleman with a good personality and some game, you can find some great connections at a reasonable cost.

Just my experience.

[QUOTE=Pal5600;3294301]SA is one of those trail and error experience, M&G will lead to something or nothing but will cost you a little, like drinks or dinner and time, but don't give them cash. In term of pricing, range from 100 to 1000 or more, base on what you want. In my view the high end SA girls (18-22) slim hot college co-ed like some in this video [URL]www.girlsdoporn.com[/URL] will cost you at least 300+ and many just want (platonic friendship only is bullshit) the low end average (25+ few extra pound, curvy, old, mature average ladies) will cost you much less, there an old saying "you get what you paid for" I believe that hold true in SA world, good luck also a lots of scam as in prepaid, like need gas, food, car insurance, prove you are real, ect all BS. DO NOT PREPAID. Here a new scam sign up for Dating I'd to go on a date with her soo funny scam haha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3294661]My experience has been different. I've found the girls that ask for the most delivery the the worst experience. If they are only in it for the biggest pat day, they are looking for a mark. My best experiences have been with real SBS, new to the game looking for the fantasy of an older, confident successful man that will treat them better than many of the guys their age. The money is a bonus, but not the entire reason they are on the site.

If you are a reasonably good looking, older, professional, gentleman with a good personality and some game, you can find some great connections at a reasonable cost.

Just my experience.[/QUOTE]Ditto. I'll just add that it does take a fair amount of time to find a keeper.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3292730]Yep, tell me "invalid or token expired" or something like that. Are you using Tor?

Further, I re-requested a password reset twice now, and the emails haven't shown up, hours later.

Something is going on over there. Wonder if they were hacked.[/QUOTE]It wasn't a hack. Their content network (Cloud Flare) had a nasty bug that was exposing the contents of encrypted communications such as logins. SA likely just did a global password reset out of an abundance of caution.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3294661]My experience has been different. I've found the girls that ask for the most deliver the the worst experience. If they are only in it for the biggest pay day, they are looking for a mark.

My best experiences have been with real non-pro / non-utr SB's, new to the game looking for the fantasy of an older, confident successful man that will treat them better than many of the guys their own tage. The money is a bonus, but not the entire reason they are on the site.

If you are a reasonably good looking, older, professional, gentleman with a good personality and some game, you can find some great connections at a reasonable cost.

Just my experience.[/QUOTE]I think is extremely rare to find a hot college age girls want to have sex with a 40's, 50's or older guys just for the experience. I could happen but I have a better chance of winning the lotto. 99.999% of the SA girls there for the money, if college girls want sex they can just go to college bar and pick up a guy, if they want money they sign on to SA. What funny is that they always claim looking for friendship, wisdom, mentor ect (would going to church a better option) but don't said they are there for the money LOL.

Have you ever seen a hot girl with someone you didn't think was good enough for them? . as in a bull dyke lesbian, feminine artistic type guy, thug type, or just a really big guy?

I think maybe 1% of girls have a genuine attraction to older, confident, successful men (especially 40's or 50's still in good shape). I'm not saying money isn't in the equation. It's part of the attraction. Many of these women are drawn to a site like SA, so it may be 20% of the women on SA.

I have had 5 women between 20 and 30 years younger than me that wanted to have a real relationship with no allowance. Three were off SA and 2 were dancers. Sure, they expected to be wined and dined and taken on trips, but no expectation of an allowance. The 3 SBs off SA started with an allowance, but evolved into girlfriends and the two dancers never were on an allowance.

I'm not trying to brag, but I'm just saying it isn't as rare as you may think. Many younger women have been treated very bad by younger men and just want to be treated well and taken care of. I also know how to have sex much better than I did when I was half my age. I also am not the commitment type and tell them that from the beginning. I think they take it like a challenge similar to "converting" a gay man.

I bet there are other men on this board with similar experiences.

[QUOTE=Pal5600;3294929]I think is extremely rare to find a hot college age girls want to have sex with a 40's, 50's or older guys just for the experience. I could happen but I have a better chance of winning the lotto. 99.999% of the SA girls there for the money, if college girls want sex they can just go to college bar and pick up a guy, if they want money they sign on to SA. What funny is that they always claim looking for friendship, wisdom, mentor ect (would going to church a better option) but don't said they are there for the money LOL.[/QUOTE]

Hello to all.

I have had one to many bad experiences dealing with BP girl so I have decided to try the sb route. I am looking for any and all advice that you guys are willing to share with me. I'm going to open a account on sa and go from there. So if you want you can pm me or post in open forum anything you think would help me. And yes I know rtff. I'm in the process of doing that now it's just that it's a lot to read. So if anyone would like to school me on the finer points of the sb world I would greatly appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Overthehill75;3295111]Hello to all.

I have had one to many bad experiences dealing with BP girl so I have decided to try the sb route. I am looking for any and all advice that you guys are willing to share with me. I'm going to open a account on sa and go from there. So if you want you can pm me or post in open forum anything you think would help me. And yes I know rtff. I'm in the process of doing that now it's just that it's a lot to read. So if anyone would like to school me on the finer points of the sb world I would greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Your right its alot of reading and research. Several different views that works. The best advice is join and give it a shot and figure what works for you. Depending on what your looking for the path can be easy to very difficult. You can find the pros, utr, to girls who are actually looking for a relationship. Work on your profile, don't be an ass, and you should be fine. Remember most are here for financial help, that is driving factor for most. They can get fucked by anyone they choose for free. Good luck and have fun.

Check out the index for this thread. It helps guide you to useful posts.

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[QUOTE=Overthehill75;3295111]Hello to all.

I have had one to many bad experiences dealing with BP girl so I have decided to try the sb route. I am looking for any and all advice that you guys are willing to share with me. I'm going to open a account on sa and go from there. So if you want you can pm me or post in open forum anything you think would help me. And yes I know rtff. I'm in the process of doing that now it's just that it's a lot to read. So if anyone would like to school me on the finer points of the sb world I would greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3295047]Have you ever seen a hot girl with someone you didn't think was good enough for them? . as in a bull dyke lesbian, feminine artistic type guy, thug type, or just a really big guy?

I think maybe 1% of girls have a genuine attraction to older, confident, successful men (especially 40's or 50's still in good shape). I'm not saying money isn't in the equation. It's part of the attraction. Many of these women are drawn to a site like SA, so it may be 20% of the women on SA.

I have had 5 women between 20 and 30 years younger than me that wanted to have a real relationship with no allowance. Three were off SA and 2 were dancers. Sure, they expected to be wined and dined and taken on trips, but no expectation of an allowance. The 3 SBs off SA started with an allowance, but evolved into girlfriends and the two dancers never were on an allowance.

I'm not trying to brag, but I'm just saying it isn't as rare as you may think. Many younger women have been treated very bad by younger men and just want to be treated well and taken care of. I also know how to have sex much better than I did when I was half my age. I also am not the commitment type and tell them that from the beginning. I think they take it like a challenge similar to "converting" a gay man.

I bet there are other men on this board with similar experiences.[/QUOTE]This has been my experience as well. You have to sort through all of the gold diggers and BP girls, but there are many young women who prefer older men on and off SA. It takes a great deal of time, but I've managed to win the MegaMillions more than a few times.

This is why I always ask early on in our conversation if they are attracted to older men, and have they dated (not as a SB) an older man previously.

[QUOTE=Grizzly383;3293695]
At the M&G when you are discussing the arrangement how do you make sure they understand that they need to put out after a date, without sounding like a douche bag?
(Now I know these girls aren't prostitutes and I don't think of them as prostitutes either, I just don't know how to NOT sound like I do.).
I'd appreciate some help.[/QUOTE]My methods seem to differ from most others here, but I don't discuss the arrangement, even at the M&G. I concentrate on making the date enjoyable, and let the rest fall into place. I would be at a disadvantage if I tried to do it all over the Internet based only on photos and texting. To come out ahead (unintentional pun), I need the opportunity to run my game in person, so my goal becomes to not spend too much time with online interaction with the girl aside from making sure she's a good candidate, and prioritizing the POTS in a given city I'm traveling to.

If I started discussing arrangement details over dinner, I would be countering my own strategy of making the date enjoyable. If my goal is to "win" by showing them a good time, is a dinner date that involves negotiation a good time? I don't think so, I think it turns pleasure into business. Negotiating over dinner is something that divorcing spouses do as they discuss how to divide up assets. That's not a fun date to me, and I've never met one of these girls that enjoyed discussing money. There are too many opportunities for that sort of conversation to go wrong and screw up the date. We see that reflected in posts here in this thread all the time.

So to answer your question about making sure they understand sex is expected, well two things. First, they already know this even if they pretend not to. Second, I don't go to an M&G with my own predetermined commitment to fucking anyone (I might not even like her / she may not look like her pics), so why would I expect her to commit to something like that with me? Women have good radar for that sort of thing. The only type of girl who is going to be okay with committing to sex before she's spent some time with you is a pro. So basically my strategy is to not ask her to commit to sex. The more pressure she feels, the less she will genuinely want to. Focus your efforts on making her comfortable with you and with the idea of spending time with you in general, and she is much more likely to genuinely want to fuck. When successful at this, you literally cannot go wrong with your gift amount (in fact you'll find some of them refusing to take it).

Expect it to not always work. I've had exactly two failed M&Gs. One was a girl that looked good in pics but was below my standard in person (was very glad I didn't agree to something in advance). The other I believe came to the M&G with the intention of striking up a deal, and when she saw that wasn't going to happen she decided to bail and "reschedule" for the next day, and during that process tried to pull me into the act of negotiating over texts (she didn't know how to handle that situation in person, so tried to do it from behind a keyboard). Wasn't about to play her game. So, game and charisma wasn't enough that night. Found out later she was in a serious relationship with another girl anyway, and not a particularly good match for my needs anyway. I'm sure if I was into full-time sugar daddying I would run into more failed examples, but overall my success rate is extremely satisfying, and I attribute that to careful sorting of POTS before the meet, and discarding the ones that don't feel right.

Reposting from bmore thread. Sorry if was already posted. Havnt been reading the thread these days, but thought this was important enough to post.

[URL]http://predatoralerts.com[/URL]

It's a website listing all you SDs with profile pics. Still using your real picture? Might want to rethink that fellas. Repost to your local pages to help wake some of these guys up.

As for the guy who posted his drivers license pic to his Sa profile, all I got to say is well done! I can only assume he did that to avoid paying the fee to become verified. Nothing screams big spender more than a move like that!

And as for the dic pics, and pics of cash. Really guys? That's a pretty classy move...