I had a very nice time at the Cermak HMP on the 2800 block. .5 for Table shower and 1 Hr time. My massuese was very friendly and very smoking bod. I would return if possible.
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I had a very nice time at the Cermak HMP on the 2800 block. .5 for Table shower and 1 Hr time. My massuese was very friendly and very smoking bod. I would return if possible.
[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]No kidding. With the logic that Dart is using, he may as well go after the inventor's of the internet too.[/QUOTE]I wish he would pay attention to the biggest thief in Cook County, Richy Daley. Then he could go after #2, Todd Stroger.
[QUOTE=Tommy Knocker6]The sheriff can file suit--whether it is 'justified' or not--whether it really hits CL is beside the point. We all know its an easy way for him to 'look good'--and the real impact will be local LEOS trying to do the same with the inevitable TV followup on the topic.[/QUOTE]I mean don't they have anything better to do? This is a town with triple the crime rate of New York City and double the crime rate of L. A. Chicago is a town in ruins that likes to prop up a fake image of itslef, downtown, to visitors from afar. When in reality, Chicago is lacking almost entirely on the South and West sides of town not to mention specific parts of the North side. But if Chicago's loop is kept clean and impressionalbe, then obviously that is all that matters. Someone should be fired for wasting so much time, effort, and taxpayer's money on such a trivial matter. This coming from a police "force" that only solved 38% of its' homicides last year. No wonder Chicago is really the pits when it comes to gangs and violent crime. The police "force" is irresponsible and indifferent to the crimes that really matter. A Big F-you to Chicago's "Finest."
[QUOTE=Donny Devito]I mean don't they have anything better to do? This is a town with triple the crime rate of New York City and double the crime rate of L. A. Chicago is a town in ruins that likes to prop up a fake image of itslef, downtown, to visitors from afar. When in reality, Chicago is lacking almost entirely on the South and West sides of town not to mention specific parts of the North side. But if Chicago's loop is kept clean and impressionalbe, then obviously that is all that matters. Someone should be fired for wasting so much time, effort, and taxpayer's money on such a trivial matter. This coming from a police "force" that only solved 38% of its' homicides last year. No wonder Chicago is really the pits when it comes to gangs and violent crime. The police "foce" is irresponsible and indifferent to the crimes that really matter. A Big F-you to Chicago's "Finest."[/QUOTE]Ban on Handguns (which violates the constitution and Daly is using taxpayer dollars to fight the lawsuits) is the reason for such a high murder rate. Nothing a criminal loves more than an unarmed victim. Look at [url]http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show[/url]. Look at the sponsor. A piece of s... who doesn't have the brains to wipe his own a.
Dart doesn't direct Chicago's finest, but I get your point.
Blame the Chicago voters. As long as they keep rubber stamping at the poles, they will keep getting it good and hard.
Is this the same girl tht used to go by the name LiLi or Lily at Relax before it moved? Sounds like the same craziness to me
[QUOTE=Massagedoc]I thought I was the only one that had a crazy experience with this nut job. Got the 1/2 for $35, thought it was a good deal and try it out, added the $10 for T/S to test the water. She was playful with the T/S, the massage was light touch and after 15 minutes to the flip then the sh*t started, how much she said tell her .2, no $1, told her no .2, no .8, all the while playing with me, said no .2, she laughed, .6, told he no again, .4 and the top has to go, she takes it off grabs my head and sticks it in her chest, not the most comfy, made a bunch of noise and I had to get out of there so finished. On the way out did see at least one looker that might bring me back for the 1/2 hour rate[/QUOTE]
If Sheriff Dart thinks that a suit against Craig's List for erotic services listings is worthy of his department's time and money (make that we taxpayers' funded time and money), then he should be laughed right out of office.
How many providers use Craig's List? A few hundred at most? I just did a Google search for "Chicago escorts" and found 736,000 hits! Even if Dart shut down Craig's List completely there is still the world wide web to browse and utilize. (Not to mention many other avenues of communication.)
How about the ethnic newspapers than run classified ads for such services constantly. The fact that nobody in the Sheriff's office can read Chinese, Russian or other exotic languages means no harm no foul. If a crime occurs in a neighborhood where no one in LE can speak the lingo, it doesn't exist on paper.
By the way, Sheriff Dart, I am still waiting for you to bust "Client #10." Why did this unnamed Chicagoan get a pass? Who are you trying to protect, Sheriff Dart? A Democratic politicial? A sports figure? A political contributor?
[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]No kidding. With the logic that Dart is using, he may as well go after the inventor's of the internet too.[/QUOTE]
Remember -- before sociopath Al "plaid shirt" Gore invented Global Warming he invented the Internet! Sex, porn, escorts, discount Viagra spam -- all at your desktop thanks to the Moriarity of the end of the 20th/start of the 21st Century.
Can Tom Dart be the new Sherlock Holmes to save us? Stay tuned!
[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]Dart doesn't direct Chicago's finest, but I get your point.
Blame the Chicago voters. As long as they keep rubber stamping at the poles, they will keep getting it good and hard.[/QUOTE]
Don't blame the "Poles." Its what happens at the "polls."
Greetings lads! TOFTT and stopped in at caribbean spa, an LMP, for an hr. at .6. TS was included and it was given beforehand, which I highly recommend.
Massage was given by a newbie named Maria and in some ways it showed.
Before getting my massage i was asked the usual q's and I offered the usual answers. Unfortunatly, no menu was offered nor implied. Then again, it's still pretty new.
I may need to give it one more shot before I give it the kiss of death. Hopefully someone else will strike it rich and share the wealth! :p
I was driving back to the city from Grand/Harlem and noticed Divine. Is it worth a visit? I woulda stopped in, but forgot my wallet at work and ended up wasting about two hours in traffic. I suck.
I went to that place by the park. You veterans know exactly what I am talking about. The door man seems disgusted with me but it's not my problem that I enjoy going there once a week or once every two weeks. I got that chick whose name sounds like the month that is coming up in two months. Attitude was a 10. Performance was an 8. Looks were a 7. Will repeat. We have a bond, no BS. It's just a human thing. After you deal with someone so many times they are able to connect with you sooner than later. It's all good here. Highly reccomended. Although, I did run into a fellow monger in the waiting room. Gawd, I hate that sheet.
I went to Elegant today. Papasan wasn't in so I gave my entrance fee to Amy and I told her I wanted an hour massage......Amy gave a nice massage hitting all the right spots with a standard finish. After 45 minutes, the hour massage was over and I left 40 on the table. Amy looked daggers at me and got highly pissed and indignant and very loud, demanding 10 more. I calmly pointed at the clock on the wall and told her she shorted me on the hour. She grabbed the money off the table and stormed out into the waiting room and continued on, yelling something in Chinese. Since I am a kind hearted and understanding person I would have gone ahead and given her the 10 that she wanted--had it not been for the short hour. It's not nice to give Higuey a short hour.
[QUOTE=Higuey Velez]I went to Elegant today. Papasan wasn't in so I gave my entrance fee to Amy and I told her I wanted an hour massage......Amy gave a nice massage hitting all the right spots with a standard finish. After 45 minutes, the hour massage was over and I left 40 on the table. Amy looked daggers at me and got highly pissed and indignant and very loud, demanding 10 more. I calmly pointed at the clock on the wall and told her she shorted me on the hour. She grabbed the money off the table and stormed out into the waiting room and continued on, yelling something in Chinese. Since I am a kind hearted and understanding person I would have gone ahead and given her the 10 that she wanted--had it not been for the short hour. It's not nice to give Higuey a short hour.[/QUOTE]Why do you do the hours? Is that the only option? I ALWAYS and I mean always take the half hour. That's all I need. If I wanted a top notch massage, I wouldn't go to an AMP.
"It's not nice to give Higuey a short hour. " LOL. Next time I go to MP, I'm going to bring a stopwatch. I'll set it off in my coat, and then check it when I'm done. I want to see, if I'm getting my money's worth.
[QUOTE=Raoul Duke]I was driving back to the city from Grand/Harlem and noticed Divine. Is it worth a visit? I woulda stopped in, but forgot my wallet at work and ended up wasting about two hours in traffic. I suck.[/QUOTE]Well, that place looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. They did, for a while, Advertise in the Sun-times sports section (which is no place a legit place advertises, it would seem).
However, there are occasions where there are long winded notes taped to the door, which implies incredulous explainations of legitamacy. I have not been willing to TOFTT because there just seems too many strikes against it.
In my persuit of the perfect massage (wink wink), I've had at least three on going working encounters put prematurely to an end.
It's like one co-longer referred to in an earlier post, because of the way I treated them, they started to like me on a personal level. As a result, things got a lil wierd so I had to cut it off.
So I've decided from now on if I find a sweet deal, I will only ride out 3/4 times tops.
FYI, I try to be as discreet as possible, I never to tell them too much of my personal info and I'm generous within reason.
Has anyone else dealt with this?
By the way, I always try to take the 1/2 hr. In most cases you usually go beyond it and that's at least .2 less you have to factor into the final cost. :p
I feel like a jerk for not giving the full report on this but I think its not without good reason.
Was heading back to a and a when I walk up and another monger is walking downstairs with the girl I wanted. Wasn't looking for a good massage and wasn't interested in a well aged Asian, so I was ready to make trip back home. Kept driving up a and pulled up the bberry to do some quick searches and figured I'd try one more place along the way.
Mixed reviews, mostly bad but found one good one. Figured, why not. Walked in 4 girls 3 middle 40's one very hot receptionist. Luckily, unlike every other place I decided to check over the weekend the hot receptionist was not a decoy. Got 30 for 40, and went back.
I've haven't heard this girl talked about the boards so I'm going to keep her off. She might be a few mongers favorite and I don't want to be the one to ruin a good thing. I will respond to a few, maybe 3 tops, to anyone with info on a lmp with girls in their early 20's thin no stretch marks that offer reasonably priced xtras other than he. Otherwise, happy hunting.
My find, young early 20's college student. Perfect English. 5' 7" 115lbs porcelain skin, very attractive. Square shaped glasses and long brown hair. Looks like a normal trendy Asian girl you would see hanging out in CT drinking bubble tea with her friends.
Didn't offer the full menu, pretty positive she would for a repeat visitor - side conversation we had, but did offer to remove t n b for bbbj. She admitted that she was a little expensive but offered a discount for next time. 40 for 30 + 1. Very cute giggle, and said I never do this.
Should discussions of "massage" outlets (such as someone advertising on CL and working from an apartment) go in the Massage Parlor section or the Escorts section? What about a Asian Apt, which blurs the line?
Blueknot,
I know of what you speak. When the old Lakeview Holistic (now the Good Morning Clinic) had a lot of Eastern European girls, I used to go there a lot. There were a couple of regulars I used to see often, Monica (a dyed blond with a great bod) and Caroline (a really skinny brown-haired chick who once told me her real name was Anya - but who knows).
Anyway, to get back to my point, both of these girls asked me out on occasion. To be specific, Carloline/Anya would flat out ask me to take her out to dinner, and Monica would tell me what bar I could find her at.
Honestly, I'd have gladly hooked up with either of them, but like many mongers, I'm "involved." I also know that these girls were really looking for a way to stay in the country, since their student visas were long expired.
[QUOTE=Blueknot]In my persuit of the perfect massage (wink wink), I've had at least three on going working encounters put prematurely to an end.
It's like one co-longer referred to in an earlier post, because of the way I treated them, they started to like me on a personal level. As a result, things got a lil wierd so I had to cut it off.
So I've decided from now on if I find a sweet deal, I will only ride out 3/4 times tops.
FYI, I try to be as discreet as possible, I never to tell them too much of my personal info and I'm generous within reason.
Has anyone else dealt with this?
By the way, I always try to take the 1/2 hr. In most cases you usually go beyond it and that's at least .2 less you have to factor into the final cost. :p[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Donny Devito]I went to that place by the park. You veterans know exactly what I am talking about. The door man seems disgusted with me but it's not my problem that I enjoy going there once a week or once every two weeks. I got that chick whose name sounds like the month that is coming up in two months. Attitude was a 10. Performance was an 8. Looks were a 7. Will repeat. We have a bond, no BS. It's just a human thing. After you deal with someone so many times they are able to connect with you sooner than later. It's all good here. Highly reccomended. Although, I did run into a fellow monger in the waiting room. Gawd, I hate that sheet.[/QUOTE]Don't take this the wrong way but ROGLMAO.
How about the camera above the door?
That makes me uneasy.
[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]Should discussions of "massage" outlets (such as someone advertising on CL and working from an apartment) go in the Massage Parlor section or the Escorts section? What about a Asian Apt, which blurs the line?[/QUOTE]Here's my 2¢...
If the place that you are going to is ostensively a massage place, I would put it under Massage Parlors. The places advertising in the therapeutic section of CL I think should usually be in the Massage Parlor thread, unless they are blatantly advertising escort services. Even the Asian apartments typically advertise as massage providers, so I think that they should also be in this thread. Again, that's my 2¢ for what it's worth.
[QUOTE=Fumfn69]Don't take this the wrong way but ROGLMAO.
How about the camera above the door?
That makes me uneasy.[/QUOTE]What camera? Were you laughing at the bond being the greenbacks or the doorman having enough with me or walking into a fellow monger?
Gosh I hate that.
[QUOTE=Donny Devito]Although, I did run into a fellow monger in the waiting room. Gawd, I hate that sheet.[/QUOTE] You guys that say you want to go to China to try the massage places over there better think long and hard about it, because over there you are sharing locker rooms, communal baths, and the room with the big TV, food and all the lazyboys lined up next to each other. Sienna gives a tiny taste of it with its upstairs room, but Chinas places are huge and guys are everywhere in the common areas.
[QUOTE=HappyGardener]You guys that say you want to go to China to try the massage places over there better think long and hard about it, because over there you are sharing locker rooms, communal baths, and the room with the big TV, food and all the lazyboys lined up next to each other. Sienna gives a tiny taste of it with its upstairs room, but Chinas places are huge and guys are everywhere in the common areas.[/QUOTE]But the chances of bumping into my boss / father-in-law / neighbor / church pastor / co-worker are a lot less.
[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]But the chances of bumping into my boss / father-in-law / neighbor / church pastor / co-worker are a lot less.[/QUOTE]
True dat....and seeing them naked in the locker room too.
[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]But the chances of bumping into my boss / father-in-law / neighbor / church pastor / co-worker are a lot less.[/QUOTE]What do you really think they could say if they saw you? You know why they are there.
While I think Dart's creativity about suing CL will have little to no impact on the overall prostitution business, you cannot disregard all the crap LE sees from the other side: the young women duped or forced into the business, the violence they see, the ties to drugs and addiction, young girls who know no better taken advantage of by scum. You cannot see this crap on the street every day and not want to make it better. (I am NOT talking about consensual sex for money between adults who are consciously making the choice to engage).
Dart himself said on a radio interview last week that prostitution has been around for thousands of years and he does not see it ending. But he is concerned about the welfare of the women he sees as having no choice.
You don't have to be LE to agree with some of his viewpoints. I'm not LE and I can find validity in some of what he is saying. We will all be better served if he does in fact prevent some of these abuses.
Chi
[QUOTE=Marak5]Not!
Only worse are the CPD.
He's going to shut down prostitution in cook county? Sure Tom! Next step, cut off every guys dick!
This sucks for the low budget monger. The upper income can afford escorts in hotels. How is the little guy supposed to get his?
I guess 1 girl got strangled off there which is sad but cook county is a large county. All the better to regulate the massage parlors and put something up like fkk in germany or the brothels in reno.
This is a battle that can't be won and never will be won, especially not by the sheriffs of cook county. Even todd stroger has been caught laughing out loud at the sheriffs. Tom Dart wants to put out a forest fire with a cup of water.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chicag0]While I think Dart's creativity about suing CL will have little to no impact on the overall prostitution business, you cannot disregard all the crap LE sees from the other side: the young women duped or forced into the business, the violence they see, the ties to drugs and addiction, young girls who know no better taken advantage of by scum. You cannot see this crap on the street every day and not want to make it better. (I am NOT talking about consensual sex for money between adults who are consciously making the choice to engage).
Dart himself said on a radio interview last week that prostitution has been around for thousands of years and he does not see it ending. But he is concerned about the welfare of the women he sees as having no choice.
You don't have to be LE to agree with some of his viewpoints. I'm not LE and I can find validity in some of what he is saying. We will all be better served if he does in fact prevent some of these abuses.
Chi[/QUOTE]Now that's what I call a liberal.
So I made my way over to senina on friday night to take the 4 hand plunge. Got Lisa (who I had seen before but didnt remember her name) and another girl with a L name, but i cant remember it. I walked upstairs to see all of the girls watching TV( if i would have know they were slow I could of had my pick of the litter). Once I saw lisa i remembered her, unfortunelty. She give a poor massage, pinching and moving around, and moving to quickly. The other girl was good, but it was to hard to focus on just one girl. Good finish I suppose, although the other girl didnt seem to be to much into it. paid about what I though I would have upon previous posts. Overall Id say the expierence was a 7.5 might repeat some day, but definelty with different girls.
[QUOTE=Humpty Hump]My find, young early 20's college student. Perfect English. 5' 7" 115lbs porcelain skin, very attractive. Square shaped glasses and long brown hair. Looks like a normal trendy Asian girl you would see hanging out in CT drinking bubble tea with her friends.
Didn't offer the full menu, pretty positive she would for a repeat visitor - side conversation we had, but did offer to remove t n b for bbbj. She admitted that she was a little expensive but offered a discount for next time. 40 for 30 + 1. Very cute giggle, and said I never do this.[/QUOTE]It sounds amazing if true.
[QUOTE=Fumfn69]Now that's what I call a liberal.[/QUOTE]More like a conservative Christian.
There is no doubt exploitation goes on. As a monger, you have to decide if you can live with that. However, ALL pros are certainly not exploited.
It it looks like the girls who staff your local AMP live there, they are being exploited. If they can come and go, not so much. If your escort speaks no English, chances are... exploited. If she speaks English and works out of her own apartment, not so much.
You have to decide how much you care.
Prositution is not victimless, but, in total numbers, pales compared to the crap that goes on in Cook Co. There are more crooked cops operating in Cook county than sex workers.
[QUOTE=Chicag0]While I think Dart's creativity about suing CL will have little to no impact on the overall prostitution business, you cannot disregard all the crap LE sees from the other side: the young women duped or forced into the business, the violence they see, the ties to drugs and addiction, young girls who know no better taken advantage of by scum. You cannot see this crap on the street every day and not want to make it better. (I am NOT talking about consensual sex for money between adults who are consciously making the choice to engage).
Dart himself said on a radio interview last week that prostitution has been around for thousands of years and he does not see it ending. But he is concerned about the welfare of the women he sees as having no choice.
You don't have to be LE to agree with some of his viewpoints. I'm not LE and I can find validity in some of what he is saying. We will all be better served if he does in fact prevent some of these abuses.
Chi[/QUOTE]The very act of criminalizing prostitution, just like prohibition and the criminalization of drugs, has led to an increase in violent crimes. The act of prostitution in and of itself, when consented to by two or more adults being of sound mind, does not violate the rights of any other person. Therefore, the act itself should not be illegal. The violence toward providers and the involuntary servitude are separate acts that should be divorced from prostitution and should be pursued vigorously by the people who are paid to protect us from the aggressions and undue influence of others. If those people who are charged with these crimes are given a fair trial and found guilty of the charges, they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
I'm not gonna sit here and defend the morality of prostitution. Anyone who participates willingly in prostitution, whether the provider or the customer, assumes all the risks and responsiblities that go along with it such as disease, unplanned pregnancies, etc. It is not, nor should it ever be, the government's duty to protect a consenting adult from himself and his own actions.
Well said Chi,
CHI GUY FOR MAYOR WHOS WITH ME!!!
Cook Co. Sheriff's Police are under executive order not to ask about immigration status of those they arrest. If they know someone is an illegal, based upon their normal observational skills, they cannot do anything about it. Everytime an illegal is put thru the "catch and release" Cook County legal system, and then commits more crimes, the fault is Tom Dart's for not having taken this illegal scumbag out of circulation. Can we sue Tom Dart for this?
Under most circumstances, prostitution is between two consenting adults. What is the crime here? The sex or the paying of money? If it is sex, then monitor singles bars and create the bedroom police. If it is generosity, I will no longer donate to police charities for fear my monetary donation will be taken as an attempt to receive better, friendlier service. If giving pretty girls monetary attention in hopes of a happy ending is illegal, then we will put countless trendy restaurants out of business. How about it Dart: Sue restaurant owners along with Craig's List?
So, what was the cost??? (Post or PM is fine[QUOTE=TheWoodButcher]So I made my way over to senina on friday night to take the 4 hand plunge. Got Lisa (who I had seen before but didnt remember her name) and another girl with a L name, but i cant remember it. I walked upstairs to see all of the girls watching TV( if i would have know they were slow I could of had my pick of the litter). Once I saw lisa i remembered her, unfortunelty. She give a poor massage, pinching and moving around, and moving to quickly. The other girl was good, but it was to hard to focus on just one girl. Good finish I suppose, although the other girl didnt seem to be to much into it. paid about what I though I would have upon previous posts. Overall Id say the expierence was a 7.5 might repeat some day, but definelty with different girls.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone ever visited this girl? I've seen her posts for a while and just wondered if she delivers. PM me if you like.
Thanks
[url]http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/ers/1073014359.html[/url]
So far I have been called a conservative Christian and a liberal for my views. I am going to run for an Illinois Senate seat. I seem to have both bases covered. When I throw in that I will legalize pot and prostitution, I can't miss!
[QUOTE=Nighthawk55]More like a conservative Christian.
There is no doubt exploitation goes on. As a monger, you have to decide if you can live with that. However, ALL pros are certainly not exploited.
It it looks like the girls who staff your local AMP live there, they are being exploited. If they can come and go, not so much. If your escort speaks no English, chances are... exploited. If she speaks English and works out of her own apartment, not so much.
You have to decide how much you care.
Prositution is not victimless, but, in total numbers, pales compared to the crap that goes on in Cook Co. There are more crooked cops operating in Cook county than sex workers.[/QUOTE]
I went to Ace Spa in Downers Grove for the second time in 4 or 5 years, so I guess I can say this is a new report for me. I don't get out that way too often. I don't rememebr it having a sign out front the last time. But it was not bad. Nice spa, ts, etc. 70 at the door, 40ish, lots of questions as part of the conversation. I must have passed because I left with a HR smile for 60. It could be worth going back, but the time was cut a little short. The tip was a bit much after looking at my watch.
For $60 you werent the only one smiling. Well over the standard $40.