During initial visit, hand didn't venture to far out of bounds, but exactly how far can one roam until stopped dead in tracks?
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During initial visit, hand didn't venture to far out of bounds, but exactly how far can one roam until stopped dead in tracks?
Hey guys,
I've been reading your reports for awhile and wanted to share my personal account. I went to Bali on April 8th. This was my first time at an AMP, was very excited. I have seen price ranges online before hand and was under the assumption of $60 and hour plus "gratuity" for little something something. Now, I get there and get escorted to the room. When they girl comes in, this was actually the younger looking one that was arrested. She first tells me $200! I mention about the prices I had seen on Backpage and she goes to talk to the woman that escorted me in, whom I thought was the Mama-san. They come back in and tell me 60 for just massage, table shower, and sauna. But the catch was it had to be from the old woman, whom claimed to be the cleaning lady. I reluctantly agreed cause I really did need a massage. I have to stop the negativity here for a second, cause I must say that this woman gives an amazing massage. Afterwards I'm invited back another time, I got to say good bye to the girls and told 200 for Full House next time. To me, the behavior was a little odd, and in my reading I've never heard the term Full House. Thanks for listening guys, I hope I get to have a better, and hopefully cheaper than 200, time next spa I visit.
[QUOTE=Spider Man;1754118]Amen. I believe I have mentioned that a few times over the years. I've been to Panda a few times over the last couple months and both times the massages were very lackluster. The first time I went the lady seemed to know what she was doing but the last few times it was only a little better than a half assed massage at a AMP. The problem I encounter there is other than a few words, they understand absoulutely zero English. And whether I go to a massage place such as this, or a legit, follow the rules place, I never tip. Tip for what? Doing what you're supposed to be doing. These places aren't cheap. $50 to 80 bucks an hour is no chicken feed. And someone wants a tip on top of that. I f someone is charging $80 an hour and if they keep $40 of that for themselves, that's alot of dough. I wish I could make $40 an hour. Do you tip fireman if they come and put your garage out, or the plumber if they unclog the pipes. Hell no! That's what they get paid to do. You tip waiters and waitresses. But would you tip if they charged you $50 to just use there table. No. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. As I said in earlier posts when you get to tipping for no damn reason, all it does is make them expect everyone to do it. Stop tipping for nothing. It's border line pathetic to tip someone for basically letting you use their room to jerk yourself off.[/QUOTE]While I agree with what you're saying you're never going to get folks to stop tipping. What will end up happening is for you guys that don't tip will indeed get a half assed massage. Nothing says you have to tip and nothing says they have to give you a stellar massage. If I thought not tipping would force HE I'd definitely stop. Going to what's left of the AMPs is just too risky so for now this is one of the few options available.
[QUOTE=Spider Man;1754118]Amen. I believe I have mentioned that a few times over the years. I've been to Panda a few times over the last couple months and both times the massages were very lackluster. The first time I went the lady seemed to know what she was doing but the last few times it was only a little better than a half assed massage at a AMP. The problem I encounter there is other than a few words, they understand absoulutely zero English. And whether I go to a massage place such as this, or a legit, follow the rules place, I never tip. Tip for what? Doing what you're supposed to be doing. These places aren't cheap. $50 to 80 bucks an hour is no chicken feed. And someone wants a tip on top of that. I f someone is charging $80 an hour and if they keep $40 of that for themselves, that's alot of dough. I wish I could make $40 an hour. Do you tip fireman if they come and put your garage out, or the plumber if they unclog the pipes. Hell no! That's what they get paid to do. You tip waiters and waitresses. But would you tip if they charged you $50 to just use there table. No. There has to be a line drawn somewhere. As I said in earlier posts when you get to tipping for no damn reason, all it does is make them expect everyone to do it. Stop tipping for nothing. It's border line pathetic to tip someone for basically letting you use their room to jerk yourself off.[/QUOTE]I agree with you spidy.
L. G.
Just curious as to where I stand when it comes to tipping. I typically give $20 for HE. What do you give? Am I inline or am I bring cheap? They've always seem to happy with that.
[QUOTE=TwoWheelSx4;1754332]While I agree with what you're saying you're never going to get folks to stop tipping. What will end up happening is for you guys that don't tip will indeed get a half assed massage. Nothing says you have to tip and nothing says they have to give you a stellar massage. If I thought not tipping would force HE I'd definitely stop. Going to what's left of the AMPs is just too risky so for now this is one of the few options available.[/QUOTE]I may be missing something here, but I tip when I get a massage because its customary. Good massage, good tip. Crap massage, crap tip. If I don't like what they do, I don't go back. Holding back a tip under the illusion that it will spawn a HE isn't my style. I want an enthusiastic ending, not some cash strapped gal that is doing it against her principles because she needs 40 bucks. When I find a HE that I like, it is always from a gal that either likes her work or puts on one hell of an act. A lackluster HE is one step worse that jacking myself off and I am not really in the paying market for either. I do like a nice massage though and will pay for that.
It sucks that there aren't any real massage places that really provide the service, but I don't want to settle for self serve or half hearted endings.
Tippinf for a HE is way different than tipping for someone doing what they're supposed to be doing anyway. Whether it's Panda or the Bham School Of Massage, when I give someone $60-$80 to do a job, that's plenty. The problem with alot of people is that they expect to get a HE or go right to the edge as far as flirting or what have you when they go to a place such as Panda. The first time I went to Panda, I didn't expect anything. I wanted a good massage. It's hard to find anyone who does massages past 5 in the evening. And I got a good massage. If she had initiated something, then I would give her a tip at the end. But not for just doing what she's supposed to be doing. No one's going to buy their way into getting a HE. If someone came to me and paid $60 for a massage, and then they tipped me $20-30 for just giving a good massage, why the hell would I want to do extras. That's the point I'm trying to make. If they want to get "tipped" then make them realize in their heads they might have to do something extra to get a tip. I guess it depends on who you get but the massages at Panda are ok. There not the best. No where near a legit therapuetic massage. And who cares how the HE goes. Whether their enthusiastic or not, it's still a HJ. I think if a girl is giving a crap load of HJ's a day, I don't think a girl like that has many principles to begin with. And those are the kind we need more of, LOL.
[QUOTE=Highway Man; 1754612]I may be missing something here, but I tip when I get a massage because its customary. Good massage, good tip. Crap massage, crap tip. If I don't like what they do, I don't go back. Holding back a tip under the illusion that it will spawn a HE isn't my style. I want an enthusiastic ending, not some cash strapped gal that is doing it against her principles because she needs 40 bucks. When I find a HE that I like, it is always from a gal that either likes her work or puts on one hell of an act. A lackluster HE is one step worse that jacking myself off and I am not really in the paying market for either. I do like a nice massage though and will pay for that.
It sucks that there aren't any real massage places that really provide the service, but I don't want to settle for self serve or half hearted endings.[/QUOTE]
I almost always tip any service industry when I get good service. I tip for massage, hair cut, pedicure, server, and others I just think it is the correct thing to do.
[QUOTE=Spider Man;1755306]Tippinf for a HE is way different than tipping for someone doing what they're supposed to be doing anyway. Whether it's Panda or the Bham School Of Massage, when I give someone $60-$80 to do a job, that's plenty. The problem with alot of people is that they expect to get a HE or go right to the edge as far as flirting or what have you when they go to a place such as Panda. The first time I went to Panda, I didn't expect anything. I wanted a good massage. It's hard to find anyone who does massages past 5 in the evening. And I got a good massage. If she had initiated something, then I would give her a tip at the end. But not for just doing what she's supposed to be doing. No one's going to buy their way into getting a HE. If someone came to me and paid $60 for a massage, and then they tipped me $20-30 for just giving a good massage, why the hell would I want to do extras. That's the point I'm trying to make. If they want to get "tipped" then make them realize in their heads they might have to do something extra to get a tip. I guess it depends on who you get but the massages at Panda are ok. There not the best. No where near a legit therapuetic massage. And who cares how the HE goes. Whether their enthusiastic or not, it's still a HJ. I think if a girl is giving a crap load of HJ's a day, I don't think a girl like that has many principles to begin with. And those are the kind we need more of, LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Spider Man;1755306]Tippinf for a HE is way different than tipping for someone doing what they're supposed to be doing anyway. Whether it's Panda or the Bham School Of Massage, when I give someone $60-$80 to do a job, that's plenty. The problem with alot of people is that they expect to get a HE or go right to the edge as far as flirting or what have you when they go to a place such as Panda. The first time I went to Panda, I didn't expect anything. I wanted a good massage. It's hard to find anyone who does massages past 5 in the evening. And I got a good massage. If she had initiated something, then I would give her a tip at the end. But not for just doing what she's supposed to be doing. No one's going to buy their way into getting a HE. If someone came to me and paid $60 for a massage, and then they tipped me $20-30 for just giving a good massage, why the hell would I want to do extras. That's the point I'm trying to make. If they want to get "tipped" then make them realize in their heads they might have to do something extra to get a tip. I guess it depends on who you get but the massages at Panda are ok. There not the best. No where near a legit therapuetic massage. And who cares how the HE goes. Whether their enthusiastic or not, it's still a HJ. I think if a girl is giving a crap load of HJ's a day, I don't think a girl like that has many principles to begin with. And those are the kind we need more of, LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm with you, Spidey. This ain't the local Cracker Barrel where the waitress / server is receiving $2. 12 / hr + tips. We are already paying quite steeply for the service rendered and don't see a need for a tip unless extra duties are performed. Do you tip when your mechanic does a really good job changing your oil?
[QUOTE=Short C;1755695]I'm with you, Spidey. This ain't the local Cracker Barrel where the waitress / server is receiving $2. 12 / hr + tips. We are already paying quite steeply for the service rendered and don't see a need for a tip unless extra duties are performed. Do you tip when your mechanic does a really good job changing your oil?[/QUOTE]There are certain industries / professions where tipping is customary. Massage is one of them HE or no HE.
Again, you're never going to get folks to stop tipping even at Panda so the notion of forcing them to do extras for tips is never going to happen unless their business altogether drops off significantly. If you keep going back and paying just the massage fee they are making money and that keeps the doors open. So what you really need is a boycott and maybe that will do it.
Those girls remember who tips and who does not so your service will always reflect accordingly.
Just my. 02
[QUOTE=TwoWheelSx4; 1755814]There are certain industries / professions where tipping is customary. Massage is one of them HE or no HE.
Again, you're never going to get folks to stop tipping even at Panda so the notion of forcing them to do extras for tips is never going to happen unless their business altogether drops off significantly. If you keep going back and paying just the massage fee they are making money and that keeps the doors open. So what you really need is a boycott and maybe that will do it.
Those girls remember who tips and who does not so your service will always reflect accordingly.
Just my. 02[/QUOTE]So the subject of tipping is often discussed among "legit" MTs on discussion boards and the like. LMT / RMTs seem to be of two minds on the topic. One group compares it to a spa / salon service. Getting your haircut, getting a pedicure, etc. Most people tip on services like that.
Another group wants to compare it more to the medical profession. You don't tip your doctor or your dentist, right? So why would you tip a massage therapist?
Personally, I think it falls into the "personal service" category, warranting a 10-20% tip. I tip the woman who cuts my hair, and I tip a massage therapist, HE or no, unless the service is really poor.
[QUOTE=Hobby Eric; 1755895]So the subject of tipping is often discussed among "legit" MTs on discussion boards and the like. LMT / RMTs seem to be of two minds on the topic. One group compares it to a spa / salon service. Getting your haircut, getting a pedicure, etc. Most people tip on services like that.
Another group wants to compare it more to the medical profession. You don't tip your doctor or your dentist, right? So why would you tip a massage therapist?
Personally, I think it falls into the "personal service" category, warranting a 10-20% tip. I tip the woman who cuts my hair, and I tip a massage therapist, HE or no, unless the service is really poor.[/QUOTE]Agreed and unless your massage is doctor prescribed ie. Physical therapy I'd say it too falls into the "personal service" category thus deserves a tip based on massage quality.
I'm not sure if the $60 for an hour massage at Panda goes to the house then girls rely solely on tips or if the girls split that with the house. Either way their base price is lower than most and the massage usually better.
In my opinion, it's a "personal service" only when it becomes personal.
Adding salt to the wound - as I clarify upfront (no surprises) - they generally understand what it'll take to "earn" my tip. Beyond that, it's up to them.
I fully agree. And the massages are better than any LMT I have ever been to. Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=Hobby Eric;1755895]Personally, I think it falls into the "personal service" category, warranting a 10-20% tip. I tip the woman who cuts my hair, and I tip a massage therapist, HE or no, unless the service is really poor.[/QUOTE]
I doubt anyone working at Panda is anywhere near being a LMT. I doubt they would know one muscle from the next. And just because someone is a LMT doesn't mean they know what the hell they're doing. Take Pam at Healing Touch. She's been doing massages for 20+ years and she is horrible at it. If you want to know what a real massgage feels like, go to one of the therapists at Bham School of Massage. They know what they are doing. They're not just rubbing on you and making you feel good. I'm sure the women at Panda get a significant cut. And if they don't who gives a shit. I'm not trying to make up for what their employer don't give them. I f you're charging me a service where I fell like it's high to begin with, then I'm not going to tip. I'm not tipping my doctor, dentist, insurance man or mechanic. And I feel massages are in that category. There is the old saying "people who work on tips." Obviously those people are servers in restaurants, bartenders, etc. It ain't the person who cuts your hair. The majority of people who cut hair, if they are in a decent shop, they're not hurting for money. So, that's my 2 cents again. If you all want to tip for no reason, go ahead. I guarantee you I'm getting the same service you are.