The Woodshed

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2768658]I thought you did a pretty good job with your advice, just a couple things I'd like to add.

First if you have the option of outcall use it! If she's coming to your house there's almost zero chance she's a cop and you have a lot of control in your own place.

Second and while I'm not a frequenter of Street walkers there is a sure fire way to tell if a SW is a cop or not, just ask her if she needs a ride? A women police officer under no circumstances is going to get into your car, ever! Now a regular street hooker might also be cautious about entering your vehicle but she will almost always get inside if you look cool. A police woman never will and asking to give a woman a ride isn't against the law.

Stay safe my brothers. JD.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I strongly disagree with the outcall advice. The last thing I want is for a past dalliance whom is hard up for cash (or worse homeless) to show up at my front door because they kept my address and meet my wife. Or, they could also scope out the house and send someone to break in and try to steal from me. Als, they are opportunistic so if anything catches thier eye while in the house they will probably try to take it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents but outcalls to your residence is just a really bad idea. The risk is far, far greater than the reward. That being said, I have had Angie to my house but I have known her for many years and I do trust her as we have developed a friendship that goes beyond the client / provider relationship. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2769422]Sorry, I strongly disagree with the outcall advice. The last thing I want is for a past dalliance whom is hard up for cash (or worse homeless) to show up at my front door because they kept my address and meet my wife. Or, they could also scope out the house and send someone to break in and try to steal from me. Als, they are opportunistic so if anything catches thier eye while in the house they will probably try to take it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents but outcalls to your residence is just a really bad idea. The risk is far, far greater than the reward. That being said, I have had Angie to my house but I have known her for many years and I do trust her as we have developed a friendship that goes beyond the client / provider relationship. Stay safe![/QUOTE]I think just like researching to make sure your incall you visit is a real provider you should always make sure your outcall is planned somewhat. I don't leave anything out I don't want to loose and limit alone time for them. But if I do loose something it can always be replaced, I am not married so I don't worry about someone finding out. Stuff happens though, If you don't show you have something for them to steal them they will hopefully choose the next mark. I am a firm believer or giving the vibe your more trouble trying to rob and steal from that its worth for them, most criminals are cowards unless they are crazy or stoned and I don't plan to see those types and tell them no thanks at the door. With providers working with LE to bust hobbyist with incall just scares me too much. Call me a chicken but I don't want to start my iron bar experience after all these years. Paying more and being selective seems to work better for me, I will get a room now and then too but that's only if I couldn't fill my requirements to come to my house and my hormones pushes me to see a gal.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2769422]Sorry, I strongly disagree with the outcall advice. The last thing I want is for a past dalliance whom is hard up for cash (or worse homeless) to show up at my front door because they kept my address and meet my wife. Or, they could also scope out the house and send someone to break in and try to steal from me. Als, they are opportunistic so if anything catches thier eye while in the house they will probably try to take it.

Again, it's just my 2 cents but outcalls to your residence is just a really bad idea. The risk is far, far greater than the reward. That being said, I have had Angie to my house but I have known her for many years and I do trust her as we have developed a friendship that goes beyond the client / provider relationship. Stay safe![/QUOTE]RT, I've had so many providers to my place I've lost count and never had a single issue, not one! I'm in total control at my place and they know it but hey to each his own. I guess it really depends on your circumstances, I'm not married so that's not a concern and I've never been afraid of some provider showing up at my place unannounced. The idea that they might be scoping out my place to break in, well all can say is good luck with that. I for one would much rather them come to me than me to them, it's not even a close call for me. JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2769919]RT, I've had so many providers to my place I've lost count and never had a single issue, not one! I'm in total control at my place and they know it but hey to each his own. I guess it really depends on your circumstances, I'm not married so that's not a concern and I've never been afraid of some provider showing up at my place unannounced. The idea that they might be scoping out my place to break in, well all can say is good luck with that. I for one would much rather them come to me than me to them, it's not even a close call for me. JD.[/QUOTE]RT, you make good sense with your points and obviously that works for you. I however, agree completely with JD.

At my home I'm in total control, in particular the providers I have to pick up and drop off. They come and go on my schedule, not theirs, and they seem to be more cooperative while here. I like to recruit my providers from the strip clubs so that I have time (multiple visits) to get to know them and determine if they are a candidate. As a result I have ongoing happy relationships with three providers that all seem to be happy with the status quo. A side benefit of this is that I have a pretty large photo and video gallery that I can use if necessary for identification (and for my own pleasure).

I let them know (subtlely) that any unannounced visit to ask for money will terminate our relationship, and any suspicious activity will be approached armed.

[QUOTE=JingoXX;2770482]RT, you make good sense with your points and obviously that works for you. I however, agree completely with JD.

At my home I'm in total control, in particular the providers I have to pick up and drop off. They come and go on my schedule, not theirs, and they seem to be more cooperative while here. I like to recruit my providers from the strip clubs so that I have time (multiple visits) to get to know them and determine if they are a candidate. As a result I have ongoing happy relationships with three providers that all seem to be happy with the status quo. A side benefit of this is that I have a pretty large photo and video gallery that I can use if necessary for identification (and for my own pleasure).

I let them know (subtlely) that any unannounced visit to ask for money will terminate our relationship, and any suspicious activity will be approached armed.[/QUOTE]Outcall is the way to go and the reality of all of this is that you have to let these girls know where you stand. They are opportunists and will prey on the week. That goes for all of them, even the ones that are everybody's favorite. If you make it clear to them you won't put up with their shenanigans than you are good. I only do outcall and all you have to do is never let them out of your sight.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2769919]RT, I've had so many providers to my place I've lost count and never had a single issue, not one! I'm in total control at my place and they know it but hey to each his own. I guess it really depends on your circumstances, I'm not married so that's not a concern and I've never been afraid of some provider showing up at my place unannounced. The idea that they might be scoping out my place to break in, well all can say is good luck with that. I for one would much rather them come to me than me to them, it's not even a close call for me. JD.[/QUOTE]Once or twice a year they get a bunch of in call busts of hobbyist but I can't remember a outcall bust of a hobbyist.

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2770716]Once or twice a year they get a bunch of in call busts of hobbyist but I can't remember a outcall bust of a hobbyist.[/QUOTE]When it comes to the police outcall is by far the safest way to go. Law enforcement officials would never in a million years let an undercover police woman walk in to a situation where they don't have total control. Can you imagine the law suits that would start being filed if guns were indeed used and bullets actually started flying. It would be an absolute nightmare for local law enforcement not to mention bankrupt the city and cost many an officer their jobs. It's just not going to happen. Now setting up in a hotel room waiting for unsuspecting mongers to take the bait now that's right up their alley. But as I've mentioned many times in the past, our local LEOs seem to have other things their more interested in spending taxpayers dollars on, let's hope it stays that way. JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2771030]When it comes to the police outcall is by far the safest way to go. Law enforcement officials would never in a million years let an undercover police woman walk in to a situation where they don't have total control. Can you imagine the law suits that would start being filed if guns were indeed used and bullets actually started flying. It would be an absolute nightmare for local law enforcement not to mention bankrupt the city and cost many an officer their jobs. It's just not going to happen. Now setting up in a hotel room waiting for unsuspecting mongers to take the bait now that's right up their alley. But as I've mentioned many times in the past, our local LEOs seem to have other things their more interested in spending taxpayers dollars on, let's hope it stays that way. JD.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to risk the two worlds colliding. Let me be clear, LEO actually never crosses my mind but I do NOT want these people to know where I live. It's just a risk I'm not going to ever take. Over 15 years in doing this and I've never even been in a situation that has made me uncomfortable so I will keep doing what works and keeps me private. Good luck and stay safe though!

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2771163]I'm not going to risk the two worlds colliding. Let me be clear, LEO actually never crosses my mind but I do NOT want these people to know where I live. It's just a risk I'm not going to ever take. Over 15 years in doing this and I've never even been in a situation that has made me uncomfortable so I will keep doing what works and keeps me private. Good luck and stay safe though![/QUOTE]"These people" comment says a lot to your point of view your don't look at them as someone you want in your inner circle and there is nothing wrong with that, I try to choose ladies that are not doing this out of dependency but want to better themselves and that is never an exact science with my lust for a certain lady but I will try to treat them equally. The providers are not always dangerous people and are humans too so I try to treat them that way until I can't or they show me they don't deserve respect. Nothing wrong with your choice at all, you can do your homework and be safe for sure.

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2771216]"These people" comment says a lot to your point of view your don't look at them as someone you want in your inner circle and there is nothing wrong with that, I try to choose ladies that are not doing this out of dependency but want to better themselves and that is never an exact science with my lust for a certain lady but I will try to treat them equally. The providers are not always dangerous people and are humans too so I try to treat them that way until I can't or they show me they don't deserve respect. Nothing wrong with your choice at all, you can do your homework and be safe for sure.[/QUOTE]Do me a favor and name one provider that you have seen that is on to better things and is a productive member of society. Productive being the key word here. Once they venture down this road, 99.9% spiral the drain.

[QUOTE=RedTalon;2771250]Do me a favor and name one provider that you have seen that is on to better things and is a productive member of society. Productive being the key word here. Once they venture down this road, 99.9% spiral the drain.[/QUOTE]Talon, I can name a few that have overcome the odds. I will not name names out of respect to them. One young lady I saw for a couple of years went back to school, got a degree in education and is now a teacher. Another I was seeing 15 years ago went to college, actually was going to college at the time I was seeing her, earned a degree and is now an executive assistant with big company in one of the cities biggest building downtown. And the 3rd lady, well, she overcame more than any other. She had 2 young kids, an abusive husband that was forcing her to trick and feeding her Crack like peppermint candies. She got out, of the business and the marriage, went into a shelter for battered women, got an AA degree from FSCJ, and now is happily married again and she works for a car dealership in their finance department.

The last lady I told you about was known by many people on this board. I'm sure of it. Now I've told you about 3 that I know of that escaped and are leading productive lives. I'm sure there are many more. I agree that the odds are not good. Probably more likely that they are murdered or die of an overdose than to beat the odds. But it can happen.

I will leave you with this. I personally was involved with helping 2 of these women I told you about beat the odds. I helped them financially a little (without anything in return) and more than anything gave them moral support. They were both just good people in a bad way trying to survive. It was more satisfying to me to help them to screw them.

I've been in this a long time guys. I'm not trying to make you think I'm some kind of Saint or anything. I'm not!

[QUOTE=OmegaZ;2769468]I think just like researching to make sure your incall you visit is a real provider you should always make sure your outcall is planned somewhat. I don't leave anything out I don't want to loose and limit alone time for them. But if I do loose something it can always be replaced, I am not married so I don't worry about someone finding out. Stuff happens though, If you don't show you have something for them to steal them they will hopefully choose the next mark. I am a firm believer or giving the vibe your more trouble trying to rob and steal from that its worth for them, most criminals are cowards unless they are crazy or stoned and I don't plan to see those types and tell them no thanks at the door. With providers working with LE to bust hobbyist with incall just scares me too much. Call me a chicken but I don't want to start my iron bar experience after all these years. Paying more and being selective seems to work better for me, I will get a room now and then too but that's only if I couldn't fill my requirements to come to my house and my hormones pushes me to see a gal.[/QUOTE]You have be selective when you do this. There is practically no risk at all of being busted when you do an outcall (especially when you mandate she come alone). That's the only kind of provider I will ever see. Outcall and has to drive herself. It's the safest way. Even if you get a hotel yourself and do an outcall by having her come to you, do you really want the hotel experience? There are cameras everywhere in hotels. What's going to happen if you visit a provider at a hotel and she decides to shoot up right after you leave and ends up ODing? Well guess what, you are going to be the last person seen leaving her room and it will be on tape. Do you really want that in your life regardless of being married or not? Girls that will see you in hotels are junkies, and thieves. Why anyone would risk that will continue to baffle me. Pay more, have them come to you and alone. Can't put a price on safety and freedom.

Guys, the obvious solution is the best of both. I just have them meet me at JaxDogs place, they all know where it is. Only problem is he blows out their o-rings before I get a chance to. But hell, at least it's safe.

[QUOTE=Techi1;2771155]OK, I know that everyone is talking about females and pussies at Wackos, BUT OMG their food is great and nicely priced. I go to Wackos mostly during the daytime and though they have many nice ladies to fuck, Wackos has great food too![/QUOTE]I think we have a club owner as a member! Anyway yes Harvey, your food is also good and at reasonable pricing. Make sure you keep the 2 for 1 beer specials during the entire dayshift though. That's where the gold club and scores fuck up.

[QUOTE=HuntDog30;2771355]Talon, I can name a few that have overcome the odds. I will not name names out of respect to them. One young lady I saw for a couple of years went back to school, got a degree in education and is now a teacher. Another I was seeing 15 years ago went to college, actually was going to college at the time I was seeing her, earned a degree and is now an executive assistant with big company in one of the cities biggest building downtown. And the 3rd lady, well, she overcame more than any other. She had 2 young kids, an abusive husband that was forcing her to trick and feeding her Crack like peppermint candies. She got out, of the business and the marriage, went into a shelter for battered women, got an AA degree from FSCJ, and now is happily married again and she works for a car dealership in their finance department.

The last lady I told you about was known by many people on this board. I'm sure of it. Now I've told you about 3 that I know of that escaped and are leading productive lives. I'm sure there are many more. I agree that the odds are not good. Probably more likely that they are murdered or die of an overdose than to beat the odds. But it can happen.

I will leave you with this. I personally was involved with helping 2 of these women I told you about beat the odds. I helped them financially a little (without anything in return) and more than anything gave them moral support. They were both just good people in a bad way trying to survive. It was more satisfying to me to help them to screw them.

I've been in this a long time guys. I'm not trying to make you think I'm some kind of Saint or anything. I'm not![/QUOTE]I know quite a few former providers that have moved on to live a "normal" life. One started her own business and is doing very well, I actually throw her some work every now and then, no quid qua pro either, just straight business. Another got married and lives not too far from me in a very upscale neighborhood, I'd dare to say her house is nicer than mine, new husband has no idea that she ever was a working girl! I see her at the grocery store every so often and we just kind of wink, laugh and keep on going. Just like strippers eventually most providers will move on, this life can really beat a woman up and if they don't end up in jail or, god forbid dead, most will go on to lead a life in relative obscurity as we all do. One has to remember that their human just like you and I. Many men look and treat these woman as nothing more than a piece of meat and some working girls deserve such treatment because they treat their customers with similar disrespect. I for one have always tried to be nice, respectful and kind. I know this goes against many a mongers philosophy to treat them harshly and show no weakness but like my dear departed father always told me, you get more attention with honey than with vinegar. I believe having this nice guy approach has yielded untold benefits for me in this hobby, have I been taken advantage of, sure, but I also have been able to get lots of added "extras" I. E, reduced cost on subsequent visits, many times I've been able to do things with these women that surprise and shock many of my fellow mongers. Like HuntDog said, while I'm no saint I'm not the devil either. Here's a picture of just what I'm talking about, an old favorite of mine that is now an out of the business UTR girl that many of you would know if you've been around a while. I'm not naming any names, she'd be pissed but I've seeing her on and off for some time now, sorry guys she's not taking on anyone new, has a regular job and a boyfriend. She's one I'm sorely going to miss, you know how the Jdog loves a deep anal finish! JD.