Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Sapporo]Lucky F has a big orange sticker on it's door. Looks like it's closed now...hope things work out for them...[/QUOTE]I was at Lucky Footsie today and did not see the big orange sticker on the door. However, the Lucky Footsie sign on the outside door has been removed. The inside 3rd floor door has been stripped too. Inside things look the same. I hear that in about 2 weeks it will reopen with a new name. Apparently it will be a so-called legitimate place. I wish the new business luck even if there are no more happy endings.

Double Nickle

[QUOTE=Istvano]NY Press, where else?

NY Press is good for the mid-town area, but what free papers or sites have ads for Chinatown, in particular? Even its website has the ads as they appear in print.

Most of what I've searched links to backpages, which I don't find as user-friendly as the papers.

Cheers![/QUOTE]As far as I know, there aren't any free papers or sites that have ads for Chinatown. However, you can always try the Chinese newspapers...ST, WJ...not sure about the other newspapers. Village Voice is also good for the midtown area.

Guys, it is really good to see this board come back to life. Not too long ago, there were scores of new reports each day and then for some reason the board went dead. Nice to see all you good fellows still around. Let us try to re-energize this board and share as best and responsibly as possible.

Thanks again.
For the long island folks, try 277 main in farmingdale, 2nd floor. fabulous service.

Thanks for the info.

From going back over the postings in the archive, it looks like Sapporo should know his way around Chinatown.

Midtown leaves plenty to chew on; a few interesting spots around 37th.

Went to a place on 28 bet 6/7. .5 for the house. Two girls both app 5. No full walls and only curtains but curtains were suh that there will be no view from outside. A bit crammed place but not bad. She gave me a firm massage for app. 35 minutes. It was really good. Turnover and reasonable roaming. Would not let me sucktits (looks like may be next time). Her lips were very nice and soft. She was too much against kissing on lips (usually I am too) but I did for few seconds for couple of times. Then I felt this would turn her off so I left her alone on that. Her overall skin was very good and tits were C firm and natural. She used oil for massage and then cleaned my back with a hot towel - that was very good. I have been to many places with and without TC but this was my first with hot towel (surprising, right?). After oil when I got hot towel my sking on back felt very well. Tipped .4. I dont think extras would be plenty there. But her overall details in HJ were preety good too. Sure wil go back in couple of weeks.

There was a lot of talk in the archives about price hikes, and even a boycott of GS; .5 for the house seems like good value.

Is that as cheap as it goes today, or have rates fallen back due to the weather or time of year?

Maybe NYNEX will start futures trading, or would that be for Chicago? I'm sure the traders would be familiar with the commodity! LOL

Seriously, what's the range of rates for the house? Extras seem to be well-regulated by this forum.

Istvano

I was googling earlier and found a very interesting site linking to spas in NYC, NJ and TX.

At the bottom of the page I could just make out, but not properly read the text as it was in a white font on a very very light background.

I then highlighted it and copied and pasted it into a text file so I could read it (I think I'm almost as cunning as its webmaster). LOL

Now is it crafty ole Uncle Leo or just an inscrutable Webmaster-San?

Maybe one of you could volunteer to check it out before I'm back in the city on Tuesday?

Ciao!

I found a wonderful new spot. Unlike The Ocean Spa, this place is more than a glorified nail salon. Unlike Lucky Footsie it has a wholesome atmosphere. You could bring your wife with you, and she wouldn't have a clue. To my mind this is the best value in town. Fifty dollars buys a meticulously clean and modern place with great showers, locker rooms, flip-flops, steam room, gym, juice bar, and massage rooms.The girls were friendly and better than average looking. For an average "chinatown" price, this place is miles ahead of the competition. One thing to know is that here the girl gets none of the house fee. At most places they get about half of the house fee plus tip. I had a shower, steam, and a very good one hour massage with the extras. As a first time customer the masseuse gave me a 10 minute bonus! Don't count on that. I treated it like a bartenders "buy back" and left a $50 tip. She seemed very pleased. Oh, I had another shower/steam before leaving. A well spent hundred dollars. If I know you, or if you are a valued contributor to this forum, you can PM me for details.

Went there today. It really is a YMMV place (they all are but this is more so). Girl who greeted took me to the room(!). Only a curtain separating the two rooms. Extremely crammed space in the room. Massage was good. On the flip I just tried to touch her and she pushed my hand back. She did not ask for any tip and I did not give any. Just a bit of a tip - the web price for the house is 50 but there is a coupon for $ 45 in Newyork press (if you dont mind taking a coupon to places like this. I usually do not mind taking them because the person at the counter is usually not the service provider).

Well, boys, earlier this month I was able to spend a couple of weeks in Thailand. You can see my report on the ISG under Bangkok massage parlors. All I can say is that most of the massage providers there have raised even the lowly handjob to a high art form. I don't think I'll ever look at the New York massage parlor scene the same way. Every once in awhile you find a diamond in the rough, but in Thailand it's hard not to. Customer service, the pleasure of the client is almost always first and foremost.

Every girl I talked to over there went through training, not only in massage but also in every aspect of the sensual side of things, too. The handjobs and blowjobs I received were the best I've ever had, consistently, from almost every provider.

I think that an AMP in this city based on that premise would do an amazing amount of business. Reasonable prices, no upselling, training in the sensual arts, tipping being left up to the client after the session—I always tip better under these circumstances than when I have to get up, fish around in my pocket for up-front money, and then receive an uninterested quick handjob. It doesn't have to be that way. Sure, not every guy will treat them fairly, but most will.

I think I'll be availing myself somewhat less of the city's offerings and use the savings to get back to Thailand often. Thanks for letting me vent.

Hi everyone,

I am a newbie here.

Just a question: Is that safe to visit the AMP in Manhattan?

Is it safe? Have you read any reports? Scroll back, read the reviews from this year and you'll have enough info to make a decision for yourself. Seriously, I know you're brand new here, but take a few minutes to look around. If you still have questions I'm sure that most members, myself included, will be only too happy to help you.

There's no such thing as 100% safe; however the chances of "stuff" happening are low. If it does happen, stay calm. As Lucky said, read, read and read. Researching for information is important, knowledge is your best friend. More importantly, don't be too paranoid and use common sense. Be safe and have fun.

My previous experiences at this place were mediocre. The better AMP (with all of the amenities) which I previously raved about was closed for the Chinese New Year. Out of desparation, and hopeful for a better experience I returned to the corner of 3rd ave and East 16th (Ocean Spa) and asked for Kristy. She is a very attractive 30ish woman with a beautiful face, nice body, and great long hair. Kristy remembered me, but still tried to get away with a lazy massage. She started with the energy saving and time wasting techniques that we are all too familiar with. I reminded her that I wanted a strong hand massage and not the lazy forearm/elbow work. The massage was mediocre. Let me correct that. The massage sucked. Kristy then tried to engage me in flirtatious conversation while we both knew that the clock was ticking. I reminded her that I was there for a good massage, and not to flirt. I did this while putting my hands under her blouse and beginning to roam. She giggled and claimed to be tickleish. I gently but firmly undid her bra. I played with her breasts, and then sucked and blew on her nipples. She moaned (? acting job). I put her hand on my tool while continuing to suck/nibble/blow/pull on her nipples. She moaned like a gf while stroking 'mr happy'. When I came she was next to me with her beautiful hair all over me. HJ was much better than the massage. It was frustrating because Kristy knows that I am interested more in the massage than in the finale. I told her that I prefer the place on Park Row, and would not return here. I then offered to take her out for drinks some time. She asked me for my #, and said that she would call. She probably will, and I will keep you all apprised.Tip was $40....I maintain that Moon at e15th, and Cindy the freelancer are the best masseuses in the city. Kristy is much better looking and sexier.

[QUOTE=GrouchoMarx]My previous experiences at this place were mediocre. The better AMP (with all of the amenities) which I previously raved about was closed for the Chinese New Year. Out of desparation, and hopeful for a better experience I returned to the corner of 3rd ave and East 16th (Ocean Spa) and asked for Kristy. She is a very attractive 30ish woman with a beautiful face, nice body, and great long hair. Kristy remembered me, but still tried to get away with a lazy massage. She started with the energy saving and time wasting techniques that we are all too familiar with. I reminded her that I wanted a strong hand massage and not the lazy forearm/elbow work. The massage was mediocre. Let me correct that. The massage sucked. Kristy then tried to engage me in flirtatious conversation while we both knew that the clock was ticking. I reminded her that I was there for a good massage, and not to flirt. I did this while putting my hands under her blouse and beginning to roam. She giggled and claimed to be tickleish. I gently but firmly undid her bra. I played with her breasts, and then sucked and blew on her nipples. She moaned (? acting job). I put her hand on my tool while continuing to suck/nibble/blow/pull on her nipples. She moaned like a gf while stroking 'mr happy'. When I came she was next to me with her beautiful hair all over me. HJ was much better than the massage. It was frustrating because Kristy knows that I am interested more in the massage than in the finale. I told her that I prefer the place on Park Row, and would not return here. I then offered to take her out for drinks some time. She asked me for my #, and said that she would call. She probably will, and I will keep you all apprised.Tip was $40....I maintain that Moon at e15th, and Cindy the freelancer are the best masseuses in the city. Kristy is much better looking and sexier.[/QUOTE]Inspite of being a regular reader of the forum I did not remember the name Kristy when I went there. At least in my case the massage was great and total damage was only $45 for one full hour. So that was a good bargain.

Are the girls in Ocean Chinese, Korean or Jap?

They advertise on Massageplaces.com. The name is Blue Spa or something like that (on 38 bet bway and 6). I called them few times with an interval of 10 minutes and Sometimes it would ring and no one would answer and other time I would get a busy tone. So I just went there. When I reached there there was a big Police sign on the door. It was written in that that the placed was closed down for prostitution / unlicensed massage. Never stood just in front of something like this. The idea that I could have been in the place when raid happened gave me a little shiver. Well but it did not last long as I just headed to other place just a block away right after that.

[QUOTE=Champak Lal]Inspite of being a regular reader of the forum I did not remember the name Kristy when I went there. At least in my case the massage was great and total damage was only $45 for one full hour. So that was a good bargain.[/QUOTE]Hey Champak,

Some time ago the $45 introductory price was raised to $50. It is still possible to get the lower price with a coupon (found in some local papers). I have been to Ocean Spa 4 times, and have tried 3 different masseuses. My reviews can be found in earlier posts. The bases for my opinions are always given. Kelly was an insulting waste of time. Lulu has the social sense not to be insulting but is still a waste of time. She may improve with some experience. Kristy is ok if she likes you, and if all you really want is an expensive HJ. If you want a really good massage, I think you are better off elsewhere. If you insist on using this place make sure to keep the masseuse in check. When she tries to cut corners by overusing her elbows and forearms, or tries to replace real massage with light tickleing, you need to insist on a 'hand massage'. If she tries to waste time by talking/flirting with you then remind her that YOU ARE PAYING for a massage, and that you will be happy to flirt with her on HER time. If she continues to avoid working for her money, then tell Celia (the manager). Over the years I have become personally friendly with the staff, management, and owners of several of these places. I have cultivated friendships and have had sex with several of these ladies (outside of their workplace of course). These personal relationships have afforded me an insiders view of the goings on. Oh, if you were there on a Thursday, it was Kelly's day off. Enjoy!

I got there at 10:00 pm. Paid house fee. Started with shower/sauna. Had 'Elle' this time. She is 30ish attractive, and competent. Started with "foot work" (massaging shoulders, back, legs, feet, arms and hands with her feet). I felt like I was worked over by a good chiropractor. Then came the 'hand work'. Also very competent. She massaged my neck before she cracked it skillfully. Then came the scalp and face massage. Her fingers found muscles on the inner aspect of my thighs which I forgot I had. She massaged and put pressure on and around the pubic area and signaled the question: do i want a hj? The hj was good if a little mechanical. She permitted me to loosen her bra, and play with her breasts. I could see that although she allowed the roaming, she didnt want it done. I stopped cause it then became no fun for me. Elle successfully milked every last drop out, and cleaned me off in a perfunctory manner. In short she was ok in looks, very good in skills, but missing something intangible (soul, feeling). Damage report: $50 house, $40 masseuse, $10 good will tip to manager/towel boy. I will repeat. Each time I will try another masseuse and report back. For my money this place remains the best deal in town! Enjoy!!

Groucho, which great place in Chinatown? If you don't want to say it here, please send me a PM. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Lucky Guitar]Well, boys, earlier this month I was able to spend a couple of weeks in Thailand. You can see my report on the ISG under Bangkok massage parlors. All I can say is that most of the massage providers there have raised even the lowly handjob to a high art form. I don't think I'll ever look at the New York massage parlor scene the same way. Every once in awhile you find a diamond in the rough, but in Thailand it's hard not to. Customer service, the pleasure of the client is almost always first and foremost.

Every girl I talked to over there went through training, not only in massage but also in every aspect of the sensual side of things, too. The handjobs and blowjobs I received were the best I've ever had, consistently, from almost every provider.

I think that an AMP in this city based on that premise would do an amazing amount of business. Reasonable prices, no upselling, training in the sensual arts, tipping being left up to the client after the session—I always tip better under these circumstances than when I have to get up, fish around in my pocket for up-front money, and then receive an uninterested quick handjob. It doesn't have to be that way. Sure, not every guy will treat them fairly, but most will.

I think I'll be availing myself somewhat less of the city's offerings and use the savings to get back to Thailand often. Thanks for letting me vent.[/QUOTE]I lived in Asia for most of my life and have just moved to NYC. I know exactly what you are saying. Thailand is a paradise for men. I think providing good service is in their DNA. In contrast, I have been disappointed since being in NYC. First, there is the sticker shock compared with Asia. It's something that I will eventually get used to. Second, although I have been to only a handful of places, the establishments seemed run down with great variability in the service provided. There is none that i will return to.

But there is hope. I just discovered this site and with some research I hope to find a few good places. I will report back.

[QUOTE=GrouchoMarx]Hey Champak,

Some time ago the $45 introductory price was raised to $50. It is still possible to get the lower price with a coupon (found in some local papers). I have been to Ocean Spa 4 times, and have tried 3 different masseuses. My reviews can be found in earlier posts. The bases for my opinions are always given. Kelly was an insulting waste of time. Lulu has the social sense not to be insulting but is still a waste of time. She may improve with some experience. Kristy is ok if she likes you, and if all you really want is an expensive HJ. If you want a really good massage, I think you are better off elsewhere. If you insist on using this place make sure to keep the masseuse in check. When she tries to cut corners by overusing her elbows and forearms, or tries to replace real massage with light tickleing, you need to insist on a 'hand massage'. If she tries to waste time by talking/flirting with you then remind her that YOU ARE PAYING for a massage, and that you will be happy to flirt with her on HER time. If she continues to avoid working for her money, then tell Celia (the manager). Over the years I have become personally friendly with the staff, management, and owners of several of these places. I have cultivated friendships and have had sex with several of these ladies (outside of their workplace of course). These personal relationships have afforded me an insiders view of the goings on. Oh, if you were there on a Thursday, it was Kelly's day off. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Hi GrouchoMarx:

I really dont rmeber the day I went and I usually dont ask the name (which I believe that I should). I like the place you mentioned in China town - I have sent PM to you requesting info. Have you tried the place on 28th I mentioned about? I do not look for playing with tits and HJ (plus a very good massage). Even though the tits playing was limited other two were decent. I also try to be assertive with providers (nicely) and the places where I am a regular the mamsen would give me a little hand massage while waiting (if the wait could go for 10 minutes). Ocean is quite far from my workplace anyway. I dont mind going far but then the place should be much better. Enjoy.

Well, I must confess, I kind of ignored the intel I was provided in PM from fellow monger here during my short visit to NYC. Instead of Chinatown place, I opted for the short, easy stroll from my hotel to Metro Spa. It was just too easy and I didn't have much time, even though I knew I might strike out.

I was hooked up with BeeBee (or PeePee? something like that) and was happy to note that she was a happy, perky little gal. A little on the round side, but not unpleasantly so. A sign in the little room indicated there were no shenanigans permitted and she certainly was not dressed for "fun." The round open space at the head of the table (insert face before starting massage) further announced the legitimacy of the place. Still, I hoped my charm would win me a little something with her.

(house was .8, BTW)

Got a nice TS (attention to right areas, but not with seductiveness), then back to the room. Well, first off, let's say the girl gave a good massage. As I've found when RTFF, they mostly ARE PROS in your city. You can expect someone who's actually trained, unlike many states and cities. But I continued to flirt, despite the light towel covering my nether regions, and finally said I wanted a "soft" massage there.

Well, she responded very nicely. Then on the flip, she went to work on Mr. Happy, despite the "sign" staring us in the face. She would only allow me to experience her treasures outside her clothes, but she was still reasonably into it.

After she was done, she actually finished the massage (something else pretty unique to your city) and then a fairly nice goodbye. Never asked for extra $, but I gave her a .4 tip. She seemed very happy.

Would recommend. If you're sweet to this girl and gently encouraging, you'll get something. I know there are better deals in town, but it was close and that was enough for me.

I travel frequently to NYC for business and have been 3 times over the last couple of months to the AMP at Madison and 31st. This is a couple of blocks south of the 162 Mad address discussed in the other thread in this section. Not particularly cheap -- $80/$100 house for 30 minutes/hour (plus appropriate tip) -- but the facilities are nice and each experience has been Fully Satisfying, w/ young, thin, and attractive providers in their late 20s/early 30s.

Tonight I tried to buy a massage at what has to be the the worst place in the new world. This major dung heap is located at 27 Essex Street (downstairs). I can't begin to tell you how lousey this place was. The sights, the smells, and the sounds of the facilities were horrific. The same holds true for the masseuses. Mine was a youngish woman named 'Nancy'. At least that's what I think she said while I was looking the place over for signs of vermin. I always travel with my own towels so as to mitigate any lack of cleanliness at such places. My towels are soaking in bleach as we speak. I may decide to burn them instead. Nancy led me through this sanctum until we reached her space; the Sanctum Sanctorum. Here I quickly undressed and placed my bath sheets on her table. When I put my face thru the face hole the faint smell of mildew was evident. As the crappy massage continued the smell was rising in intensity. Nancy was massaging me while arguing loudly with the other masseuses. I told her that the arguing ruins the massage. It didnt help. My blood pressure was rising. Nancy conveniently lost her ability to understand such uncommon phrases as: strong massage, hand massage, no more back massage, please massage legs etc. This last request was responded to with a quick "you need extra one half hour." I replied that this first massage was a trial. That if I was not happy, I would not return. If she did a good job, then she made a new customer. She seemed to understand. Our time was nearly up. I told her that I would take another 30 minutes. While she was resetting the timer, I turned over and indicated that I wanted a HJ. She refused saying that her boss was there. I told her to forget the extra half hour. She walked away, and did not return. I dressed, packed my stuff, and handed the mamasan $40 ($38 house fee) along with the words "I am not happy." The mamasan looked at Nancy who had just been given an unspoken $2 tip and smiled. I repeated that I was not happy with the service. Nobody seemed to care. I generally have 2-3 massages weekly, and my usual tip is $40. Even the sh-t head girl at Ocean Spa got $30 from me. 27 Essex street sucks.

Sorry to hear you went there. It's one of those typical run of the mill and obviously legit qi gong tui na places. It's cheap and barebones so it's very nasty.

Yesterday I visited that Essex St sh-t house. Today I wanted to make up for it by visiting my favorite place on Park Row. The police had been there. The massage portion of the spa is out of business. I looked around and saw that things were being moved out. Why dont the police shut down the filthy, disease ridden hovels like 27 Essex Street?? Why do they seem to target the clean, and well run places like LF? It seems unfair. A major irony is that when the masseuses are brought in by the police, they often see their customers among the men who work in the courts. These girls are inherently classy and do not betray their customers. Frankly, I prefer the company of these women to the assholes whose job it is to harrass them. These women don't go on welfare, nor do they exploit the system. Instead, they work long hours for their hard earned money. The offence for which they get arrested has nothing to do with providing sexual favors. They are in fact charged with the horrible crime of being unlicenced to provide massage. New York's bravest are assigned the task of taking helpless women from conditions of extraordinary difficulty all the way to the edges of misery. I am off my soap box.

That place was good while it lasted but it was too close to police headquarters for comfort. I don't understand why LE even bothers to crack down on massage parlors when they can better utilize their resources and manpower by focusing on more pressing matters. I hope the other places in chinatown remain open since they are so scarce these days.

1) Shutting down these places is easier than fighting rougher crime.

2) Failing to have a massage license is actually a more serious crime than providing a HJ. The first is a felony, the second a misdemeanor. Why this absurdity? Lobbyists for CMTs (certified massage therapists) are trying to protect their clients from the influx of unlicensed masseuses.

3) LE often uses the lack of a license as a pretext for the real reason they go in for the bust: sexual extras. It's much easier and more cost-efficient to prove that a girl doesn't have a license than to send in undercover to elicit the sexual favors. And, as stated above, the lack of a license can be the more serious "crime."

3) Neighborhood complaints. It takes very few to galvanize LE, who like to be viewed as protecting "the community." That's why some Tuina places are so strict about not providing HJs; if no neighbor catches them out on the extras, the police may give them some slack if they are good "citizens" and have their licensing in order.

4) The martial arts place probably fell victim to a neighborhood complaint. Some stupid hypocrite who takes the kiddies in for a lesson may have stopped in for a massage, was offered a little mild hanky-panky, and then thought, "I take my kids to a place that does that? The police must be told!"

5) A competitor, either in massage or martial arts, could also have tipped off LE. That probably happens a lot, unfortunately. Make sure the police shut down your competitors and more business will come to you.

4) All of the above are also the reason why some places see only Asian customers (makes it tougher for LE to bust them) and why others go under the radar. Some of the best places are essentially private and do no public advertising at all.

Groucho, you deserve a good day!

[QUOTE=GrouchoMarx]Yesterday I visited that Essex St sh-t house. Today I wanted to make up for it by visiting my favorite place on Park Row. The police had been there. The massage portion of the spa is out of business. I looked around and saw that things were being moved out. Why dont the police shut down the filthy, disease ridden hovels like 27 Essex Street?? Why do they seem to target the clean, and well run places like LF? It seems unfair. A major irony is that when the masseuses are brought in by the police, they often see their customers among the men who work in the courts. These girls are inherently classy and do not betray their customers. Frankly, I prefer the company of these women to the assholes whose job it is to harrass them. These women don't go on welfare, nor do they exploit the system. Instead, they work long hours for their hard earned money. The offence for which they get arrested has nothing to do with providing sexual favors. They are in fact charged with the horrible crime of being unlicenced to provide massage. New York's bravest are assigned the task of taking helpless women from conditions of extraordinary difficulty all the way to the edges of misery. I am off my soap box.[/QUOTE]

Grettings Gents,

I took a visit to this place today (33rd and 5th) and found it to be closed down as of a couple of days ago. Better luck next time I guess.

Excellent post. LE really are cowards in the sense that they are so vigilant in busting criminals who are smaller than they are, or some scared old guy lucking to get laid. Better than hunting (well-armed) drug lords or terrorists.

[QUOTE=Tempter]1) Shutting down these places is easier than fighting rougher crime.

2) Failing to have a massage license is actually a more serious crime than providing a HJ. The first is a felony, the second a misdemeanor. Why this absurdity? Lobbyists for CMTs (certified massage therapists) are trying to protect their clients from the influx of unlicensed masseuses.

3) LE often uses the lack of a license as a pretext for the real reason they go in for the bust: sexual extras. It's much easier and more cost-efficient to prove that a girl doesn't have a license than to send in undercover to elicit the sexual favors. And, as stated above, the lack of a license can be the more serious "crime."

3) Neighborhood complaints. It takes very few to galvanize LE, who like to be viewed as protecting "the community." That's why some Tuina places are so strict about not providing HJs; if no neighbor catches them out on the extras, the police may give them some slack if they are good "citizens" and have their licensing in order.

4) The martial arts place probably fell victim to a neighborhood complaint. Some stupid hypocrite who takes the kiddies in for a lesson may have stopped in for a massage, was offered a little mild hanky-panky, and then thought, "I take my kids to a place that does that? The police must be told!"

5) A competitor, either in massage or martial arts, could also have tipped off LE. That probably happens a lot, unfortunately. Make sure the police shut down your competitors and more business will come to you.

4) All of the above are also the reason why some places see only Asian customers (makes it tougher for LE to bust them) and why others go under the radar. Some of the best places are essentially private and do no public advertising at all.

Groucho, you deserve a good day![/QUOTE]I believe that getting certification cannot be a big deal. I have been to upscale SPAs in big resorts and places like Bliss in downtown. Massage there is never better then good AMPs. Many good AMPs are very clean and people are very decent. I believe the thing against getting certification for most of these places will be that most providers must be illegal people and so getting certification etc might be difficult (or could it be poor English?). Many places in Europe and other part of the world have legalized prostitution. It becomes a better regulated industry that way. Less exploitation also and more mental comfort on parts of the patrons. Getting rid of those sex toys (or lives girls) types of shops from 42nd street type of areas was probably needed and it did increase property values. Theses AMPs are very low key and dont do any harm. (On the contrary an unsatisfied violent monger may be bigger danger to the society - LOL).

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have become friendly with some masseuses as well as some AMP owners. Tempter was correct in his post (point #3) regarding reasons that the Park Row place was closed. A trusted and reliable source explained that this AMP place had a family type atmosphere (oxymoron). For example, children would go there for martial lessons at the same time that hobbyists were having their pleasure. This mix was untenable in the long run. Tempter, you are a very perceptive man. I was also impressed with your knowledge of the law. Unlicensed massaged is a felony, whereas a HJ for money is a misdemeanor! Whooda thunk it!

[QUOTE=Setialphafive]Grettings Gents,

I took a visit to this place today (33rd and 5th) and found it to be closed down as of a couple of days ago. Better luck next time I guess.[/QUOTE]Closed down for good? Did you see the big orange sticker?

[QUOTE=Champak Lal]I believe that getting certification cannot be a big deal. I have been to upscale SPAs in big resorts and places like Bliss in downtown. Massage there is never better then good AMPs. Many good AMPs are very clean and people are very decent. I believe the thing against getting certification for most of these places will be that most providers must be illegal people and so getting certification etc might be difficult (or could it be poor English?). Many places in Europe and other part of the world have legalized prostitution. It becomes a better regulated industry that way. Less exploitation also and more mental comfort on parts of the patrons. Getting rid of those sex toys (or lives girls) types of shops from 42nd street type of areas was probably needed and it did increase property values. Theses AMPs are very low key and dont do any harm. (On the contrary an unsatisfied violent monger may be bigger danger to the society - LOL).[/QUOTE]It's not necessarily the language barrier being the issue. Acquiring certification requires going to school and learning how to massage. As in NYS, they require about 1,000 hours of massage classes and on top of that, the fees for massage school and licensing isn't cheap.

I saw the ad in one of the local free papers, called and made an appointment. It is located on 39th Street near 6th avenue on the second floor. I was greeted by a nice looking Korean lady in her late 20s. Picked the hour massage and body scrub.There were four rooms, each with a screen door. Went into one of the rooms, changed into a robe and then to the bathroom for the body scrub which was very thorough.

Back to the room and then she proceeded to give me an excellent shiatsu massage. About 30 minutes later, the light touch begin with her hair stroking my back. It was very sensual. I did not try roaming (maybe next time). Then she asked me to turn over and continued with the light touch and the release. Clean up followed by more massage.

All in all, quite pleasant. I did not get her name and I think there were only 2 girls there at the time. 60 for the hour plus 30 tip.

I will return.

[QUOTE=Sapporo]It's not necessarily the language barrier being the issue. Acquiring certification requires going to school and learning how to massage. As in NYS, they require about 1,000 hours of massage classes and on top of that, the fees for massage school and licensing isn't cheap.[/QUOTE]You are very informed. I now remember one LMT in a psa telling me about 1000 HR training.

[QUOTE=Sapporo]Closed down for good? Did you see the big orange sticker?[/QUOTE]Yes, closed down for good. Illegal massage and prostitution. I called the number on their website on a woman answered. Said they were closed now but may be open again in a few weeks. I am not sure if that will happen or not, or even if they would open again in the same location. The place is not that far from where I work so maybe I will check it out in a few weeks and see if anything opened back up.

Visited the fabled Ocean Spa again, actually got a great massage there and flipped and she did the hand-release. Wasn't too shabby, and this exp was far better then my last one. Anyone achieve any 'other' extras at this place? Please PM me if so cause I might go back. Thanks, Billy

[QUOTE=Shiok]I saw the ad in one of the local free papers, called and made an appointment. It is located on 39th Street near 6th avenue on the second floor. I was greeted by a nice looking Korean lady in her late 20s. Picked the hour massage and body scrub.There were four rooms, each with a screen door. Went into one of the rooms, changed into a robe and then to the bathroom for the body scrub which was very thorough.

Back to the room and then she proceeded to give me an excellent shiatsu massage. About 30 minutes later, the light touch begin with her hair stroking my back. It was very sensual. I did not try roaming (maybe next time). Then she asked me to turn over and continued with the light touch and the release. Clean up followed by more massage.

All in all, quite pleasant. I did not get her name and I think there were only 2 girls there at the time. 60 for the hour plus 30 tip.

I will return.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the review.