2005 Archived Streetwalker Reports

[quote=wastrel]the privacy issue i was thinking about, though, wasn't the retired vice cop choosing to share his wisdom and experience with the public, it was getting someone to provide medical lab results and health status information to him in the first place so that he would have that knowlege. that's very peculiar. they won't be sending the lab results to him (the officer) when they are processed, regardless of where and when they are being tested, and he has no idea what's in the medical records of people he has arrested. it's not his job, and he's not entitled to find out. public health officials are not routinely giving him results of medical tests, not for tuberculosis, not for hiv, not for hepatitis, not for the clap, not for influenza, not for any illness. so yes, i think there is more than a pinch of hyperbole and imagination involved, though i don't have any reason to doubt that he might be sincere in his beliefs.[/quote]

you're wrong buddy. when someone is arrested for prostitution, some of their rights are limited. you are therefore required under state law to be tested for hiv. this is done because you "may" be placing people in harms way, based on your hiv status. i do not know how le is informed or not informed about a specific individual whom has tested positive for hiv. i do know that is you are arrested for prostitution, test positive for hiv and then are caught again, there are serious charges that will be levied. in some states you can do 20 years for this offense! whether or not a vise cop is privileged to the status of a specific sw is something i do not know. but as you all know, they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not. think about it.

and on a side note, with prophylaxis treatment now available for exposure to hiv, in some states, if you were known to be exposed, you can often "declare" yourself a sexual partner and have access to their status. assuming it has been recorded at the city, county health department, that information, under certain circumstances can be made available to you. in cases of **** sex, rape, even casual sex. if the county health department heads have reasonable evidence to believe you engaged in sex with a specific individual, they can access their information (assuming there is any) and disclose to you whether or not it might be in your best interest to start prophylaxis treatment within the 72 hour time period

[quote=gettingtang]you're wrong buddy. when someone is arrested for prostitution, some of their rights are limited. you are therefore required under state law to be tested for hiv. this is done because you "may" be placing people in harms way, based on your hiv status. i do not know how le is informed or not informed about a specific individual whom has tested positive for hiv. i do know that is you are arrested for prostitution, test positive for hiv and then are caught again, there are serious charges that will be levied. in some states you can do 20 years for this offense! whether or not a vise cop is privileged to the status of a specific sw is something i do not know. but as you all know, they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not. think about it.

and on a side note, with prophylaxis treatment now available for exposure to hiv, in some states, if you were known to be exposed, you can often "declare" yourself a sexual partner and have access to their status. assuming it has been recorded at the city, county health department, that information, under certain circumstances can be made available to you. in cases of **** sex, rape, even casual sex. if the county health department heads have reasonable evidence to believe you engaged in sex with a specific individual, they can access their information (assuming there is any) and disclose to you whether or not it might be in your best interest to start prophylaxis treatment within the 72 hour time period[/quote]


tang...buddy...you're missing the point. what he was pointing out was that your 'vice cop buddy' is casually ignoring some fairly significant privacy laws. or he's just spewing generalizations that may or may not be actually based on fact. ok, we understand you don't care for the downtown scene. fine. those of us who've invested some time down there know there is great variety to be found there, some nasty, some decent, some hotties. smart mongers always play safely to mitigate potential bugs. we don't really give a rats ass about some vice cops opinion. we do value first hand knowledge.

[QUOTE=GettingTang]...they are required to be tested upon being arrested, right at the police station's medical office by a nurse. It would not take a rocket scientist to figure out, everyone at that precinct is going to know who tested positive and who did not.[/QUOTE]No, they are not going to know that, and where a saliva swab or blood sample is drawn is irrelevant. The sample will be sealed and shipped away to a lab. The flunky with a two year community college nursing certificate taking a fluid sample has no idea what is in it, not for HIV or for much more common but less emotionally laden serious conditions such as hepatitis and tuberculosis. And if you are "tested at" a county health office the individual drawing the sample does not know what those results turn out to be either, and neither would someone in your own doctor's office. It isn't a roadside or jailhouse test for this or any viral infection. You really do have to be a scientist. Results will be processed by a federally certified private medical lab a week or two later, and they aren't sending them to your friend the "retired vise [sic] cop" or his friends "at the precinct" and they wouldn't understand them if they got them. And oh by the way, "police stations" in Las Vegas don't have medical offices at all. The detention center (jail) does have some nursing assistants for those who are incarcerated; otherwise detainees are transported to University Medical Center if they are seriously ill or injured. Your "vise cop" [sic] friend would not be hanging out in either place. I will defer to you and others on the lawyering aspects. I will assume your analysis of the criminal code is correct, since I have no particular reason to think otherwise.

Sorry to be contentious about it, Mr. Don't Need to be a Rocket Scientist, but you made some thoroughly over the top emotionally driven assertions about a community in an area you and your friend quite clearly don't know very well, and got pretty carried away in your or your friend's disdain for it and thousands of people living and working in it. "Everyone at the precinct" may "know" many things which are not true. "The precinct" would not be part of the medical or subsequent legal process at all. If prostitutes arrested downtown "ALL" had HIV that would be much larger than the total of all AIDS cases, male and female, which have ever existed in the state of Nevada (2,946, 83% male, 17% female). The highest estimated incidence of AIDS among U.S. prostitutes I have ever found was 12% (mostly male), and most put it much lower, ranging down to 0.7% at the low end. Though still a serious concern, no doubt, I and other folks here are trying to be polite about it, but some of the statements made earlier are quite absurd on their face. There is no population of people of whom "almost all...are HIV..." not even among prison inmates or people in drug rehab, and if such a population was to exist, downtown would sure not be the most likely candidate, and your ire would be better directed toward some other, much more problematic geographic areas around town these days that I and other people here could tell you about, if you really want to focus your outrage someplace. Personally, I'm more worried about how trendy and popular downtown is becoming, and how little LE attention some of the truly troubled areas of the town get from their city and county, since there aren't such large commercial investments at stake in the places that actually do come closer to what you want to picture.

It really might be best if we just agree to disagree. You don't like downtown Las Vegas, and don't care to go there. Noted. Others do. So be it. By comparison to downtown you'd really be disgusted at some other places in the city where some other friends live and work, but try not to hyperventilate if others think differently, as you have when calling people "crazy" several times in various forum sections. Maybe you know better, but just maybe you don't. Maybe we're crazy, and it's just better not to disturb us any further.

I gather from perusing some of your other posts in other sections of the forum from AK to LA that you are disgusted with the whole idea of SWs altogether. I have some ambivalence about it myself, and you won't find me always reflexively snarling and whining about police for policing or about members of the public who seek to control such activities on their doorstep, but if you wish to continue a crusade about it, it might be better to do so on another discussion thread, since it is apparent that the "vise" [sic] man's perceptions and emotions you shared with us really are pretty disconnected from contemporary conditions in a particular area of this city.

Sincere regards,

Wastrel

[QUOTE=Desert Dude]Tang...buddy...you're missing the point. What he was pointing out was that your 'vice cop buddy' is casually ignoring some fairly significant privacy laws. Or he's just spewing generalizations that may or may not be actually based on fact. Ok, we understand you don't care for the downtown scene. Fine. Those of us who've invested some time down there know there is great variety to be found there, some nasty, some decent, some hotties. Smart mongers always play safely to mitigate potential bugs. We don't really give a rats ass about some vice cops opinion. We do value first hand knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Privacy laws do not work like that, if they did every health official spewing general statistics would be in violation of someone's privacy. If an officer named a specific individual and declared their status, then MAYBE!

YOU PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS..... IF YOU HAVE HIV AND YOU KNOW IT AND YOU HAVE SEX WITH SOMEONE AND DO NOT TELL THEM, YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW AND WILL THEREFORE BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME AT WHICH POINT, YOUR "PRIVACY" NO LONGER EXSISTS, IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION NOW. YOU ARE NO LONGER PRIVILEDGED TO YOUR PRIVATE MEDICAL INFORMATION REGARDING YOUR HIV STATUS, AS THIS VIRUS WOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO COMIT A CRIME! COMPRENDO? YOU READ ABOUT CASES LIKE THIS ALL TE TIME IN THE PAPERS.

Tang, You are wrong again buddy. There are no nurses at the police station. When a SW is convicted of a prostitution charge, the judge will then order HIV testing. She has thirty days to comply or she is in violation of her probation once she gets out of jail. Jail does have medical staff, and HIV testing is offered and encouraged at that time for anyone arrested of a prostitution offense. Johns who go to court are also ordered into HIV testing.

I know several prostitutes in Seattle who are HIV+ and continue to work the streets. There is a law against "deliberately" infecting someone with HIV, whatever that means? The SW's I know say that as long as they attempt to get the customer to use protection and carry condoms on their person, they are cirumventing the law and the police have nothing to bust them on, even if they are caught soliciting again. I don't even think they are required to inform of their HIV status. I think the courts basically agree that if someone is dumb enough to have bareback sex with a drug-addicted hooker or take it up the ass from someone they met in a gay bar, that they know the risk and are willing to take it.

I know that individual officers don't know who is postive or not. I believe the court ordering the test gets the result however. But in all my years of reading the paper daily, looking over court reports, checking the jail register, etc., I've never seen anyone arrested for or charged with this crime except for a man in Olympia who gave the virus to seventeen women partners and it was proved he did so deliberately.

Oh, and by the way, vise is spelled vice. And quit yelling. Your conversion certainly hasn't helped your anger problem. Civ2000

[QUOTE=Wastrel]No, they are not going to know that, and where a saliva swab or blood sample is drawn is irrelevant. The sample will be sealed and shipped away to a lab. The flunky with a two year community college nursing certificate taking a fluid sample has no idea what is in it, not for HIV or for much more common but less emotionally laden serious conditions such as hepatitis and tuberculosis. And if you are "tested at" a county health office the individual drawing the sample does not know what those results turn out to be either, and neither would someone in your own doctor's office. It isn't a roadside or jailhouse test for this or any viral infection. You really do have to be a scientist. Results will be processed by a federally certified private medical lab a week or two later, and they aren't sending them to your friend the "retired vise [sic] cop" or his friends "at the precinct" and they wouldn't understand them if they got them. And oh by the way, "police stations" in Las Vegas don't have medical offices at all. The detention center (jail) does have some nursing assistants for those who are incarcerated; otherwise detainees are transported to University Medical Center if they are seriously ill or injured. Your "vise cop" [sic] friend would not be hanging out in either place. I will defer to you and others on the lawyering aspects. I will assume your analysis of the criminal code is correct, since I have no particular reason to think otherwise.

Sorry to be contentious about it, Mr. Don't Need to be a Rocket Scientist, but you made some thoroughly over the top emotionally driven assertions about a community in an area you and your friend quite clearly don't know very well, and got pretty carried away in your or your friend's disdain for it and thousands of people living and working in it. "Everyone at the precinct" may "know" many things which are not true. "The precinct" would not be part of the medical or subsequent legal process at all. If prostitutes arrested downtown "ALL" had HIV that would be much larger than the total of all AIDS cases, male and female, which have ever existed in the state of Nevada (2,946, 83% male, 17% female). The highest estimated incidence of AIDS among U.S. prostitutes I have ever found was 12% (mostly male), and most put it much lower, ranging down to 0.7% at the low end. Though still a serious concern, no doubt, I and other folks here are trying to be polite about it, but some of the statements made earlier are quite absurd on their face. There is no population of people of whom "almost all...are HIV..." not even among prison inmates or people in drug rehab, and if such a population was to exist, downtown would sure not be the most likely candidate, and your ire would be better directed toward some other, much more problematic geographic areas around town these days that I and other people here could tell you about, if you really want to focus your outrage someplace. Personally, I'm more worried about how trendy and popular downtown is becoming, and how little LE attention some of the truly troubled areas of the town get from their city and county, since there aren't such large commercial investments at stake in the places that actually do come closer to what you want to picture.

It really might be best if we just agree to disagree. You don't like downtown Las Vegas, and don't care to go there. Noted. Others do. So be it. By comparison to downtown you'd really be disgusted at some other places in the city where some other friends live and work, but try not to hyperventilate if others think differently, as you have when calling people "crazy" several times in various forum sections. Maybe you know better, but just maybe you don't. Maybe we're crazy, and it's just better not to disturb us any further.

I gather from perusing some of your other posts in other sections of the forum from AK to LA that you are disgusted with the whole idea of SWs altogether. I have some ambivalence about it myself, and you won't find me always reflexively snarling and whining about police for policing or about members of the public who seek to control such activities on their doorstep, but if you wish to continue a crusade about it, it might be better to do so on another discussion thread, since it is apparent that the "vise" [sic] man's perceptions and emotions you shared with us really are pretty disconnected from contemporary conditions in a particular area of this city.

Sincere regards,

Wastrel[/QUOTE]

Quoting general stats, based on large perimeters is a recipe for disaster. There are well known, established HIV "hot zones" in ever rural area in America. You can take those state wide stats and throw them to the wind. Also, only about 40% of those infected with HIV in the US, know they have it. So first off, take all your stats and at least double them to start!

Here is some numbers for you to crunch and better understand my perspective on this topic.

In Washington State in a specific area of Tacoma where all the IV drug users and hookers hang, there is an extremely high prevalence of HIV infection. In the State of Washington itself, there are (2005 figures) 10,177 (known) HIV positive people, of those only 1000 are female. However, in the specific quoted drug infested area there were known to be at least 220 female IV drug user and or prostitutes infected with HIV within a small area. Would you therefore, take the entire states statistics and asses you risk on picking up a hooker in that area? You would be a fool. If you drove through that area and picked up a SW, there would probably be a better then 50% you're doing someone with HIV. You can throw the 12% stat out the window.

My point to all this is not to badger anyone. Please, go have a good time, enjoy. Sex is natural, sex is good, not everybody does it, but everybody should. Right?

All I'm trying to say, is it's dangerous out there. Many of you mongers got kids and a little (or not so little) wife at home. Be careful, the guilt associated with taking a "present" home can be more then many people can handle.

I get pissed when I see sickly looking mongers banging a different girl every night and not using a condom, then bragging about his ***** wife back home, while spewing crap about how heterosexual males can't get HIV. True, it's more difficult then being gay and taking it up the rear, or sharing needles, but it can and does happen everyday. If you're going to pick up hookers down Fremont, or anywhere, you better put a condom on, use it properly and make sure it does not break. Once you make a mistake you can't go back in time. I'm done here. See you all in Vegas in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=GettingTang]...or anywhere, you better put a condom on...[/QUOTE]Aha, we can at last end on a note of some agreement: STDs are a problem, and it is wise to take precautions. That includes a $500/hr casino worker on the Strip, and some much more common and easier to transmit stuff, such as hepatitis.

Hey Fellow Mongers,

I took the advice of the senior members on tour here in LV and checked out the scene at 7-9am and 7-9pm in the usual places and there seemed to be alot more traffic. I can't vouch for the quality, but more traffic. I am partial to WSW's, and they were few and far between and about 1 or 2's. There was significantly more BSW action, but I don't like to be obvious inviting a BSW into my vehicle and give the LE another reason to pull me over.

I appreciate the input and it is just a matter of time before I score on the WSW traffic. I did see a WSW at the 7/11 off of Fremont around 8am Wednesday morning that was decent, but I couldn't take advantage of it. I also saw a real blonde beauty at the corner of Mandalay Bay and Las Vegas Blvd. around 7pm Thursday, but was headed out elsewhere. She looked a little pricey, but you never know.

Thanks again and keep those posts coming, I'll update you fun-lovers as the storied unfold!

Be Safe! PH

[QUOTE=Pussy Hunter]Hey Fellow Mongers,

I am partial to WSW's, and they were few and far between and about 1 or 2's.
Be Safe! PH[/QUOTE]

Holy Playboy Pinup Batman, you saw a 2????

I have to say that checking out the areas referenced in previous posts finally paid off. I had the pleasure of meeting a little WSW named Mariana around 8pm last night that was just what the doctor ordered (in addition, there was another WSW in a blue dress that wasn't bad either, "Holy Penthouse Batman a SW above a 2!".).

She was walking down Boulder Hwy near the Station and quite the provider. We headed back to my place and for a few jackson's a great 50/50 was the order of the day and my faith restored in the trade in LV. Over the course of the last few days, there seemed to be some pretty good traffic from Trop to Eastern.

Thanks to all you LV mongers for the advice and be safe! PH

So long for another month my fellow mongers,

I went out Tuesday night around the suggested time of 7-9pm and there were quite a few gems. One of the first was a little latin SW on the corner of Trop and B Hwy. I asked her what the room rate was and she said she didn't know how much my room cost, but she was available!

The next was a little blonde SW that I saw near the 515 and she was trucking south and by the time I turned around, she was getting picked up by one of you guys in a white pick-up.

The next one was a little brunette in a short white skirt that I cornered in Sam's Town parking lot. She wasn't the cutest ornament on the tree, but had a nice bod, was ready willing and able and for some reason I passed.

I took off for another round of driving, saw a few unmentionables and tried to find the one at Sam's town again and I struck out. There were a few others, but I already blew my chances on the one's I should have picked up.

The lesson her is "He who hesitates is F__ked" he doesn't get the "Tang"!

Thanks again to the advice of the locals, I am a little wiser for my next trip in September and will post the success or lack of success on my return!

If you ever come to the S. Florida area, give me a ping and I'll see what I can do for you!

Be Safe! PH

Steph. Found just off the south strip.

Wilmer,

glad you were able to climb back out. :D

I thought the Grand Canyon was to the north not south of Las Vegas.