"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

Dipped back into the sugar bowl and exchanged some messages with this one. Couple of bikini pics but none of her face. Whatever maybe just wants privacy. She moved right to text and asked to meet for lunch and if I would be ok with $250. Said I'm not into intimacy but asked if she was ok with just intimacy for $250. She responded by saying I was gross, would fuck anything that moves and should get an escort.

Never progressed far enough to get any sense that she was real but something seemed off. Either a time waster, scammer or pic collector. Wouldn't share additional pic and immediately blocked me after her mini rant. LOL. Ahh seeking, it's good to be back.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f96cd75b-83bc-4104-9ebe-cef1af11430c[/URL]

She was down to meet but I don't really trust any profile if it's not verified. I don't care how hot your photos are if it's going to be catfish. Thought I'd share it here to see if anyone had experience with her before.

[QUOTE=Verdit;6576800]Sometimes I'll chat with a girl on SA who checks all the boxes, but her ask amount for PPM is too high for what I'm willing to pay.

Normally, I'll just politely decline without a counter. However, a couple of times that I have countered the girl gets offended that I'm not willing to pay the amount she wants.

So what have been SUCCESSFUL negotiation tactics you've used to get a girl down from a high dollar amount to something you're comfortable with paying?[/QUOTE]A good strategy is to pay an initial higher amount for a first date, & then a lower rate going forward. Say she wants $400 for a first date, agree but $250-300 going forward.

[QUOTE=Verdit;6576800]Sometimes I'll chat with a girl on SA who checks all the boxes, but her ask amount for PPM is too high for what I'm willing to pay.

Normally, I'll just politely decline without a counter. However, a couple of times that I have countered the girl gets offended that I'm not willing to pay the amount she wants.

So what have been SUCCESSFUL negotiation tactics you've used to get a girl down from a high dollar amount to something you're comfortable with paying?[/QUOTE]It's a trend nowadays that keeps getting worse. They do the same thing in the regular dating world. They might be very average themselves but want a guy that's over six feet. Six pack abs. Six figures.

[QUOTE=SeekingHead;6576948]A good strategy is to pay an initial higher amount for a first date, & then a lower rate going forward. Say she wants $400 for a first date, agree but $250-300 going forward.[/QUOTE]I've tried that before more than once. They usually always agree. Then most of the time after the first time they ghost. Or they will go back on their word to say they can't do the lower amount and is worth the higher number initially.

Not sure if real or fake, instantly sent me her cashapp on seeking and I didn't reply cause you get banned but girls don't.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;6576911][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f96cd75b-83bc-4104-9ebe-cef1af11430c[/URL]

She was down to meet but I don't really trust any profile if it's not verified. I don't care how hot your photos are if it's going to be catfish. Thought I'd share it here to see if anyone had experience with her before.[/QUOTE]That's Myra thirsty ass. She's been posting on there and Listcrawler for years looking for simps to overpay for nothing. She basically wants $30 for you to buss 1 nut. She got over on some guy on here years ago and she's always messaging on every website she sees me on. Hard pass on her ass.

[QUOTE=Gavin1112;5242856]Hey guys anyone seen this girl lately or did demons get her or a pimp LOL.

Had heard some reviews a while back. Was thinking of reaching out. You can PM me too. Have some good ones to share as well.[/QUOTE]Any vids of her.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;6576911][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f96cd75b-83bc-4104-9ebe-cef1af11430c[/URL]

She was down to meet but I don't really trust any profile if it's not verified. I don't care how hot your photos are if it's going to be catfish. Thought I'd share it here to see if anyone had experience with her before.[/QUOTE]Mara isn't a catfish. Definitely very real, with nice face and body. However, she has been a high-volume listcrawler escort for awhile, and likes to do as little as possible for as quick as possible for the most $$ some sucker will offer up. She got me for her mechanical bs service once a few years ago, but never wanted to see her again afterwards, as I prefer SBs over straight escorts.

I'm in the bowl for reliable companionship, so I engage in extended text conversation for several days before suggesting the (unpaid) m / g. No discussion of PPM or allowance until after the m / g. If she pushes for the PPM or allowance before the m / g then it's going to be all about the money so I block and move on. If the PPM ask is outrageous, block and move on. If the PPM ask is high, I explain "that's a bit much for this area, but I would be willing to go (about two-thirds of her ask). I've found the extended text conversation establishes a bond that makes my offer more acceptable. After that, I'm most interested in the vibe. Was the first intimate rushed and full of rules or was it an extended evening or even overnight? Now we're ready to entertain long-term conditions.

[QUOTE=Verdit;6576800]Sometimes I'll chat with a girl on SA who checks all the boxes, but her ask amount for PPM is too high for what I'm willing to pay.

Normally, I'll just politely decline without a counter. However, a couple of times that I have countered the girl gets offended that I'm not willing to pay the amount she wants.

So what have been SUCCESSFUL negotiation tactics you've used to get a girl down from a high dollar amount to something you're comfortable with paying?[/QUOTE]

BadGirlNextDoor has been on the site for a year. But I couldn't find a review by searching her name. Have any of you seen her? Is she legit? Will you give us a review?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9f2f10d-96f1-441c-98df-b3b221fc7a35[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/84069b57-3ef6-4240-bcc6-b6ec0c85bfb1[/URL]

Got a date with this MILF tomorrow and wanted to see if anyone has any experience.

We were supposed to have a m&g but she had something come up and now moving straight to fun.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;6577490]I'm in the bowl for reliable companionship, so I engage in extended text conversation for several days before suggesting the (unpaid) m / g. No discussion of PPM or allowance until after the m / g. If she pushes for the PPM or allowance before the m / g then it's going to be all about the money so I block and move on. If the PPM ask is outrageous, block and move on. If the PPM ask is high, I explain "that's a bit much for this area, but I would be willing to go (about two-thirds of her ask). I've found the extended text conversation establishes a bond that makes my offer more acceptable. After that, I'm most interested in the vibe. Was the first intimate rushed and full of rules or was it an extended evening or even overnight? Now we're ready to entertain long-term conditions.[/QUOTE]This sounds similar to my tactic. I am also looking for ongoing. A girl ought to be willing to take less per if she knows she is getting on the gravy train. So, I never negotiate before the M&G. Nothing. That's for escorts. My approach has its advantages. People are more sensitive to rejection to their face. They get brave behind a keyboard. Hence, all of the flame wars online. A girl will ask less to avoid rejection if she is sitting in your car (and you have your hand on her twat). I also get girls committed to meeting at the M&G by asking them to book the room (through one of the daytime room apps). If she is willing to do that, to ensure that she isn't going to get stiffed (even though those apps permit you to cancel without penalty), I often will give her a benjie. I have lost those on occasion, when we didn't end up going to the FC, but mostly the ones I have selected through my judicious vetting process come through. That is great for me, no risk of a paper trail, and the girl even sometimes does not realize her name may end up on the TV in the room, so I get her IRL identity.

My exact situation is a plus in negotiating, also. I am hiding the sugar from the warden. Even though I (correctly) look quite rich on my profile, I explain why that isn't all available to give an allowance. The typical I have given (in the high cost environment of the west coast) is 400. I had a long-term girl I was giving 1 K / mo for usually 3 private meets, but we really were sympatico. On her shark weeks, we would just get together for coffee instead of going to the FC. I have gone to 500 for an initial FC (w / the understanding that the monthly would be prorated downward), and once for an incredibly hot woman did 600. I had a power business woman for a while earlier this year at 500 per, she was smoking hot and loved to get dolled up for our dates.

Don't doubt that my approach can get you incredibly hot and engaged women to bang, even for a guy in his 60's. I have posted some photos from time to time of my conquests.

[QUOTE=NewAnonymousName;6577801]BadGirlNextDoor has been on the site for a year. But I couldn't find a review by searching her name. Have any of you seen her? Is she legit? Will you give us a review?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e9f2f10d-96f1-441c-98df-b3b221fc7a35[/URL][/QUOTE]She's legit but if you ask her to host before the first date it's a huge turn off for her. She's a little high considering age and has the beginnings of a muffin top. I think I got her to agree to 350 if she hosted or 300 if I got a hotel, but I could tell she wasn't real happy that I was preferring that she host. Since she was higher than I thought reasonable for someone who couldn't host I never really followed up.

[QUOTE=Verdit;6576800]Sometimes I'll chat with a girl on SA who checks all the boxes, but her ask amount for PPM is too high for what I'm willing to pay.

Normally, I'll just politely decline without a counter. However, a couple of times that I have countered the girl gets offended that I'm not willing to pay the amount she wants.

So what have been SUCCESSFUL negotiation tactics you've used to get a girl down from a high dollar amount to something you're comfortable with paying?[/QUOTE]Click my name and scroll past the first page of my post history and scan through the next 2-3 pages. I've posted a lot of my tips / tricks / negotation tactics. I've been balls deep in a TON of hot 20-30 year olds for between 200 plus hotel or 300 if they host. I've had a lot of success in the Atlanta area with those rates. Do I nail every potential I message? Of course not, more than a few never go anywhere. I've also noticed that girls with the "alt girl" or "hippie girl" look tend to be more reasonable allowance than the wannabe Insta-models. Which is lucky for me because I absolutely have a thing for the alt girl look.

As other guys have said, a big part of it is not moving staight to allowance talk, but spend an evening or 2 texting getting to know them, find out what they like and what their interests are. Eventually steer the conversation sexual, then find out what they enjoy sexually. Ask about things they like such as their favorite position (doggie) and don't like (anal). Once you have a few things they don't like, keep those in the back of your mind when you bring up the allowance. Ask what she's looking for, if she gives a sky high number, tell her that you'd only pay that much for someone who would do <insert things she doesn't like here> . Doesn't matter if anal isn't your thing, or if you don't like rough sex and neither does she, or if you were going to use a condom anyways: when negotiating, the things she dislikes are now things you like, but you want to respect her wishes, so you'll happily keep to her "things she enjoys" but for <insert reasonable allowance here>, or you'll use protection but that would be a different amount than for someone who is ok without it.

There's also the old "jedi mind trick". They ask for something too high, like 500 PPM. Tell them you can do that, but you can only see them once or twice a month for that PPM. If she could do 300 PPM then you could see her 4 times a month, and 4 x300 is more than 2 x500. Would she rather have $1200 a month or $1000 a month? Adjust the math to make the amount make sense within your budget. Of course if she's too skyhigh, then just move on.