"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3275040] Would it be a bad idea to use the same FC twice in the same day? I am thinking I can but will be a somewhat quick turnaround as I meet the POT at 2 and say we end up at FC by 3 or 330. Say two hours of fun and I hustle her out at 530. FLSB1 is coming straight to FC at 7. I think that gives me enough time for maybe a nap between rounds and a little sustenance to fortify my. Courage![/QUOTE]Hmmm, how are you going to explain to SB#2 used towels, messy sink, messed up bed linens (wet spot?) and a "not-fresh" room that you got just for her? Did you take a little mini vacation from the SO all afternoon and check in early for a nap to rest up for her? Or did you and the SO have a romp before she went off with GFs?

Other than that, I can't see what would be the problem. Just make certain to go over the place with a fine tooth comb as SB#1 leaves so she doesn't "forget" anything. Seems like I have a collection of earrings, necklaces, bracelets, etc that girls have taken off and forgotten. So you need to make sure she has everything she came with so she has no reason to return. THEN, make sure your story is about how you are going to ABC and have to be there by (whatever time). That way you have an excuse to usher her out and she will assume you are going to XYZ and no chance of staying over in the room. That eliminates any "I wanted to surprise you" return trips.

Maybe a bit extreme, but better safe than sorry.

CL, these thoughts are why I brought this up to the de-facto experts in this area. Thank you for your input and I will make sure to sweep the room thoroughly, and have my exit story straight. Thanks again.

Thanks to all for your input regarding my next new phone, which conveniently will go nicely with my new SA account. I plan to return the favor. In the meantime, PM me for some UTR AMP info if interested.

[QUOTE=FigLeaf;3275283]CL, these thoughts are why I brought this up to the de-facto experts in this area. Thank you for your input and I will make sure to sweep the room thoroughly, and have my exit story straight. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]I've done it, but for an afternoon, then a morning visit. Got a room with 2 beds, remade the 1st bed and used the 2nd the next morning. The towel thing is an issue, but you can just make like you took a shower before she got there.

In hindsight, that was a sign my desires were out of control.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3275467]I've done it, but for an afternoon, then a morning visit. Got a room with 2 beds, remade the 1st bed and used the 2nd the next morning. The towel thing is an issue, but you can just make like you took a shower before she got there.

In hindsight, that was a sign my desires were out of control.[/QUOTE]I have done it also. The first girl left a bunch of make-up on the towels, that I luckily noticed right before #2 showed up. Just put the towels in my bag. I also did the two bed routine. I tried for third girl, but did not work out.

I have received two texts from two different numbers on my GV number that I have been reported to [URL]predatoralerts.com[/URL] for buying sex online. I am not going to click the link. I pretty much only use GV for SA. (about 4 months ago I did respond to a couple BP and CL ads) So I guess one of the SA people asking for my number was involved in this scam. Has this happened to anyone else?

It gets expensive quickly. $30 / year only buys you so many text messages. SBs love to text. I end up $30 / week when I am on the hunt. But it is a separate app and it can be deleted.

Other issue is that there is a record of payments on your CC or ITunes account and email.

You can also easily switch numbers so that's good. And it has its own contacts list. Pics work fine. Video texts are less reliable.

It's better than nothing but less than perfect.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3275501]I have received two texts from two different numbers on my GV number that I have been reported to [URL]predatoralerts.com[/URL] for buying sex online. I am not going to click the link. I pretty much only use GV for SA. (about 4 months ago I did respond to a couple BP and CL ads) So I guess one of the SA people asking for my number was involved in this scam. Has this happened to anyone else?[/QUOTE]Google Voice numbers get recycled. Not sure how fast is the rotation, but I doubt there is much of a "Waiting Period" like there use to be with landlines. So it is possible some dude gets in a scrape where the girl goes postal on the number, reporting it to every predator site she can find. He dumps the GV number and some poor schmuck (you?) signs up on GV and gets that number with all of the "old" drama still out there on the 'net and of course searchable. This is the problem with "search-ability" on the net and lack of filters. So that is one possibility. So it might make sense when signing up and selecting a GV number, to Google the numbers first to see what if anything "comes up?

Second, I would NOT discount one's actions on BP or CL alone as being the reason for the contacts. I have a separate email I use for CL & BP and only use it on rare occasion, when the contact is likely a scam. That said, the spam folder is always full (400+) so the address never dies and keeps getting passed around, Spammers never quit. So IF you gave out your number to an "unknown" on CL or BP then I can see how one might be getting texts. I assume you have blocked those numbers in GV?

If nothing else those texts sound like "phishing" garbage. Trying to get you upset and go to their website where they will try to extract cash from you to have your name removed from their website. THIS is one of the primary reasons why one should NEVER monger with their real phone number. Several years ago there was a scammer who posted and asked for contact number up front. It had a name something like Exp*sing J*hns. Apparently plenty of dudes took the bait and sent explicit texts to them and they collected those into a searchable database: one could punch in the number and the content of the texts was available. The scam was they started extorting cash to have the info removed. I looked around the site and it was appalling how many dudes had texted stupid sh*t like, "I have $40 is that enough for a bl*wj*b?" You can imagine the results if SO, GF or potential GF found that when Googling your number.

So yeah, you did the right thing ignoring them. Ain't the Internet great? Sigh.

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;3271263]I helped main SB with her debt already, it was use of my credit card; this isn't really a gift per se based on women and the butterflies they need. Had dinner last night. I think a card and a couple large bills would be going to far without the FC yet.

We have history. Should I give a bit more and wait and see what happens. Women are weird. If I get an added gift it could be seen as a "beta male, nice guy turn-off". I'm siding with no added sugar till FC.

Thoughts from the Bros. ?[/QUOTE]Don't over think things. You're single as I recall. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the bowl.

[QUOTE=Gesab69;3271506]Brothers, I'm hoping for some honest advice.

I've been messaging this 10/10 SB. She looks real based on her pics, but I'm a bit worried.

She volunteered her number almost immediately. We settled on an allowance and we're talking about schedule a first meeting. She then asks for a pic (I have a blurry one as my profile pic). I politely decline because I don't want to give myself away. She's says she cannot see me without a pic. Fine, I think and just ignore her message. She texts back 30 minutes later and says that not being able to show one pic is fishy. I ignore that text too, but after two hours, she texts another pic of her (not a nudy or anything).

Why does she want a pic of me so badly? Or am I just paranoid? Should I take a selfie and send it and just not use that selfie for anything else?[/QUOTE]No risk no reward. Either find a pic of someone that looks like you, or send her a real pic.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3274226]I may have to start sugar dating only single grownup girls who can get the room. This morning's FC was a 19 YO spinner, so now I've hit the trifecta. A girl 1/3 my age. But I had to get the room b / c she doesn't have a credit card. I chose a hotel at a mid-level chain and booked by phone. All they asked for was a CC and my name and phone # (misspelling of my regular name, and burner). I check in and try the OneVanilla for a deposit, but they won't take it b / c it doesn't have my name on it. Heard that elsewhere recently, so that's just a no-go. I used the business CC I booked w /. I showed my DL, and I thought it was pretty quick coming back, but unfortunately the dude evidently wrote down everything from the DL. I even said to him at the time that it wasn't my current address, but he evidently got it.

I check out this morning and pay cash, they give me a $0 balance bill, and I can see it's the real me listed on there. Fuck. I go back and say IDK who this is but it isn't me, and ask them to change my address. I give the sugar address I always use. I happen to be a member of the frequent stayer program for that chain, so it is possible that is how they got my real address. Of course, I am worried they will try to give 'me' points for my stay there, something I definitely don't want.

I prefer the other lower chain hotel I have been using near my work. They took my full address the first time I booked, and now I am in their system w/ my fake sugar address/name, a misspelling of my real name so my DL works there. Before this experience, I wouldn't have guessed that giving an address would be preferable to giving nothing, but when it gives you a chance to provide a false address that sticks w/ you, you can see the advantage.

If anyone has any ideas for how I can deal w / this situation better, I'm all ears.[/QUOTE]It really depends on your risk tolerance here. I have a prepaid in my middle name. It doesn't show up on my credit reports, so I I'm good in the case of light investigation.

I'll admit I'm a points *****. I've a cover story in case the shit hits the fans, but then I don't have much to loose either. It's all about risk tolerance.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3275648]It gets expensive quickly. $30 / year only buys you so many text messages. SBs love to text. I end up $30 / week when I am on the hunt. But it is a separate app and it can be deleted.

Other issue is that there is a record of payments on your CC or ITunes account and email.

You can also easily switch numbers so that's good. And it has its own contacts list. Pics work fine. Video texts are less reliable.

It's better than nothing but less than perfect.[/QUOTE]Guess it depends on your usage habits. I always have thousands of unused texts, but then again I tend to not text girls on an ongoing basis. I'm usually texting a lot while traveling, but one of the rules I try to establish is that I'm not going to be their ongoing texting buddy one way or another. Stealth phone or not, I just don't have time to be on call for every SB emergency. She's got plenty of other people she can text, just one of my terms of an NSA arrangement versus one with emotional commitment. Most cost effective way on Hushed is to keep an eye out for their discounts and grab them then, before you need them. Your accumulated texts don't expire.

The record of payments on the iTunes account is a good point and should be taken into consideration. On my CC, every purchase is just listed as an app store purchase, but it sends an one time e-mail with the name of what was purchased (I. E. Hushed app credit) that would need to be disposed of if my SO had access to the email account my phone sends receipts to. Luckily she doesn't. However there can many reasons to use a disposable phone number for work related purposes that are plausible and don't necessarily give one up as contacting other females, so that could be explained away.

I have a biz credit card (my business, so no one to audit me) that my SO will never see.

In a perfect world, I book the hotel through [URL]hotels.com[/URL] so it does not show the property booked on my bill, and book it in the SBs. Name.

Normally, the hotel's would want a cc at check in for incidentals. 2 ways to address this.

1) call the hotel, tell them you booked the room for someone coming in for a job interview and give them your cc for incidentals, along with a fake name to go with the card and give them your work address -- then they won't ask her for a credit card at check in, if this is a problem for your SB. Of course, she can't be 19 and be put up for a job interivew, not plausible!

2) call the hotel, tell them this is an employee you are bringing in for a meeting and to BLOCK incidental charges.

I always explain my local address as "I moved earlier in the year, but still have buisness here in town and give my office address as where to send the bill.

I NEVER even dream of trying to collect -- or redeem -- p;oints for fuck hotel usage. Hell, I don't even use my [URL]Hotel.com[/URL] account, its alwyas booked as a Guest. If the SO EVER saw a [URL]Hotels.com[/URL] charge on my credit card, I can explain it as one of my employees in another city (which I actually have).

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3275989]Guess it depends on your usage habits. I always have thousands of unused texts, but then again I tend to not text girls on an ongoing basis. I'm usually texting a lot while traveling, but one of the rules I try to establish is that I'm not going to be their ongoing texting buddy one way or another. Stealth phone or not, I just don't have time to be on call for every SB emergency. She's got plenty of other people she can text, just one of my terms of an NSA arrangement versus one with emotional commitment. Most cost effective way on Hushed is to keep an eye out for their discounts and grab them then, before you need them. Your accumulated texts don't expire.

The record of payments on the iTunes account is a good point and should be taken into consideration. On my CC, every purchase is just listed as an app store purchase, but it sends an one time e-mail with the name of what was purchased (I. E. Hushed app credit) that would need to be disposed of if my SO had access to the email account my phone sends receipts to. Luckily she doesn't. However there can many reasons to use a disposable phone number for work related purposes that are plausible and don't necessarily give one up as contacting other females, so that could be explained away.[/QUOTE]Just pick-up a burner at 7/11. Tmobile gives unlimited txt / voice / data for $40/ month. If you don't need it one month, stop paying and renew when you do. Buy a refill card with cash, and there's not record. Point a gmail account with google voice to it, and you have free txt's. Granted GOOG keeps a record, but now it's not traceable back to you because of the burner.

You have no idea what details Apps like Hush keep beyond your usage. It has your real phone number, IMMEI, location, etc.

Well it has been a while since I was on SA but thought I would share any and all information. Some I have seen and others I just have heard.

- Mariana. Illegal from central america. She was cute and went to a good school here. We went out several times but she wouldn't close the deal. I did get a BJ from her and that was about it. I dropped her.

- Nicole (Julia, or Victoria) Never saw her but she is from Ukrain and found her profile a while back but would love to see if she is back. She seems to have gone MIA.

- Ashely. Again have been trying to get with her but she has gone MIA. She goes to VCU.

My last round on SA was very dissapointing. A lot of flaky women. I think I"ll take a break. Good luck everyone.