"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3272442]With natural ways to alleviate ED specifically maintaining an erection which is my problem. The V-itamin works for me but I lose sensitivity (too hard?) and hence it's less pleasurable which in turn makes it difficult to orgasm.[/QUOTE]I was using Cialis to keep a firm erection until I came across a book about a plant hunter who traveled the world in search of healing sexual herbs in native cultures. From that I read up on research studies on the various plants and came up with a combination that is working for me.

I take one pill of Ashwangdha, Rhodiola and Maca every day. I buy the Solaray brand of each at Vitamin Shoppe. Been taking it a month. Within 2 weeks I was getting regular morning wood and daytime erections when I was texting my SB which I had not been getting. No trouble keeping it hard until I finish. I have noted now after 4 weeks that my load is more in volume. Also my dick really drools the pre-cum. So I am sure that is the maca working there. You can buy that combo with other herbs in many men's health pills. But I preferred the single pills of known strength to make my own. I also got a chance to see if any upset my tummy as I began taking them. YMMV and I don't know how long the results will last.

A lot of people say to cycle on and off after a few weeks. I will stop it soon for a week and see how that goes. Right now enjoying it too much.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3272990]V works for me maybe too well as I remain hard for too long and become sore and almost bloody from the extended play. I will try dropping it to 25 mg and see. What type of exercise helps? I do it Monday thru Friday at the gym at my work to alleviate other health issues![/QUOTE]I suppose there is a connection between hardness and longer duration before cumming with me as well, but often on my dates there is usually some amount of alcohol involved, so I attribute the extended time partially to that. I haven't used V all that much, but when I did, I didn't notice that it made cumming take longer than I otherwise would have taken. How fast I cum is so dependent on the girl, what kind of connection I have with her, what she's good at in bed etc. I'd say orgasm timing is 99% about psychological factors in my particular case.

As far as type of exercise, the best for erection performance is sustained cardio related exercises like running. Basically anything that gets blood circulating better is also going to benefit you in terms of getting hard and keeping it hard. Lifting weights is good too, and helps increase your natural testosterone production, which is probably just as important in the big scheme of things as cardio, so some of both works for me. For anyone not used to exercising regularly its important to start out slow, don't push yourself too hard, avoid injuries and learn to stretch properly. It's much better to under-exercise than over-exercise, especially when starting out. Even if you already exercise often, this also applies to changing your routine or increasing intensity. Gradual is key.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3272827]What's the situation w / vital records? In some states, they are public and online. In California, it seems you can make a request but they aren't directly available. Obviously, I am interested about stuff like marriages and divorces.[/QUOTE]I have only recently discovered the free website of [URL]www.atlaspublicrecords.com[/URL] but they don't provide vital records of marriages and divorces. The Atlas site allows "scam" websites to advertise so you need to ignore the links to other sites like "truthfinder" etc. If you put in the person's name followed by a comma and their town then in most cases it will bring up arrest records. I personally also use subscription sites including Spokeo, PeopleSmart and Intelius. I also live only 5 miles from a local courthouse in NC and use their computer to look up girls arrest records state wide.

I'm looking for advice on a burner phone. Shopped and so many choices. Great advice. Thanks.

Rule 5: Always use a burner phone and keep that phone out of your home. You can also use a burner app or google voice.

[QUOTE=Ustrongman;3273684]I'm looking for advice on a burner phone. Shopped and so many choices. Great advice. Thanks.

Rule 5: Always use a burner phone and keep that phone out of your home. You can also use a burner app or google voice.[/QUOTE]To narrow down your choices:

1 Budget? Do you want / need a smart phone? Internet?

2 what networks work well where you travel? TMobile, Att, Verizon, Sprint all the paygo phones are one one of these networks. May have to google to find out who's on what.

3 Are the refill cards available close to where you shop.

My non burner pigibacks on att. My burner android phone is on TMobile. I bought a cheep one cash at Target. You could buy a phone anywhere, just pay in cash.

I don't like apps or google voice as my SO is constantly on my non burner phone. Don't need the stress. I just leave the burner at work.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3272799]Seems about half the the SBs I schedule an M & G for will be on FB through their cell number. The remaining half I try to uncover a few minor details during our first date to enable me to find them on FB. I would say that practically all SBs will give you their real first name early in the process. As you probably know FB has a Find Friends section where you can fill in categories of current city, home town, employer and school. I always assumed you needed to put in at least a first name, but you don't. Let me give you an example of clever. .[/QUOTE]Most chicks will freak out if they think you are stalking them / invading their privacy, so never mention anything you learned about them on social media.

I find it essential to make sure they are not scammers / using fake photos or UTRs and check out everyone I end up pursuing. Very few come up with nothing. Even this one gal. A PhD with a seemingly high powered job. Was not identifiable through her pics, but then I googled her SA handle and found it was her Instagram and Twitter handle too!

Every now and then a subject occurs to me that hasn't been discussed here, so I thought by posting my thoughts some interesting ideas might arise from others.

What are some "red flags" you notice in SBs (aside from obvious and well-discussed issues like GPS attitude) that would make you assign them a lower priority in your list of POTS, or reject them outright? It can be her appearance, the things she says in early interactions, things you learned through research, or other factors. I realize this can lead to lists of subjective, your mileage varies items, but it's still potentially interesting discussion.

Here are a few of mine in no particular order:

1. Too much makeup. Maybe this is just a peeve of mine, but I have had to forego meets with a couple of girls that were otherwise gorgeous, simply because I was worried they would show up for the date with the kind of face paint they regularly display in pics. I can't stand being with someone that leaves foundation smeared all over my clothes when she hugs me, or the pillow cases look like a Thomas Kincaid painting the next day.

2. Low-rent looking friends on FB. I don't mean I expect girls just out of high school to have money or wealthy friends, I just mean if her friends all look like drug addicts, weed-heads, gangsters or criminals, I'm going to assume her vagina is a petri dish of every nasty bacteria and virus on the planet, and opt to not insert anything of my own in it. This one is important for those like me who prefer to go raw.

3. Pics are all too samey. By that I mean she's got plenty of pics, but they are all from the same angle, same facial expression or under the same circumstances. This makes me think she's one of those like Barbara Streisand that is only capable of non-revolting photographs if the camera angle is at exactly 65.4 degrees pointed at one side of her face and the lighting is at a certain level.

4. Pics don't show the entire package. Quantity of photos is high enough, but none of them show her from the waist down for example, or the only ones that do only show her posing from the side so I can't see the contour of her hips.

5. Dreadlocks for hair, weird hair color, or other overly artistic or hippy fashion choices. Just personal preference I know. I'm not a fan of tat sleeves or tomboy haircuts either -- they subtract from her femininity to me.

6. Irresponsible behavior posted on FB. This is somewhat connected to number two above but is more about her than the company she keeps. If she posts a lot of pics where she is smoking weed for example, I assume she is the unmotivated type and her idea of an SD is a free ride through life so she can mellow out and get a buzz. I find weed-head girls to generally be unmotivated sex partners, so that's a turn off. It doesn't bother me if they smoke weed occasionally, only if they are the type that's stupid enough to advertise her personal habits publicly. Much the same applies with alcohol. I was young once too, and I enjoy drinking but there was never a time I didn't understand it's not wise to advertise that behavior publicly.

That's all that comes to mind for now. It's hard to say any one of those items alone would always exclude a girl from my list of POTS, but it makes it more likely I will choose to set up a M&G with someone else before them. Basically they get lower priority when it comes to scheduling, which often means no M&G occurs.

[QUOTE=Spider2112;3273813]I don't like apps or google voice as my SO is constantly on my non burner phone. Don't need the stress. I just leave the burner at work.[/QUOTE]Good advice that post. $30 smart phones at MetroPCS are adequate and $30/ month cost.

But why is it GV (or an APP) or a burner? IMHO [b]if you truly want MAX protection you use BOTH![/b]. GV is first layer and with its block feature, gets you out of minor scrapes. Medium level security threats and one dumps the GV # and starts over. High level threats and the Burner goes into the nearest waterway, and one starts over.

I think too many have a false sense of security using GV layered on their real phone. As you point out, SO on your phone means she has a chance of detecting your activity. OR if you get dropped by cell tower and redial a call, have seen cases where you call is made on the REAL number, not GV. Do that by mistake and your security is blown. Yeah, little Miss Suzie-Q might just decide to call you on that last number, while SO is on your phone! Can you say "Half!" ???

I may have to start sugar dating only single grownup girls who can get the room. This morning's FC was a 19 YO spinner, so now I've hit the trifecta. A girl 1/3 my age. But I had to get the room b / c she doesn't have a credit card. I chose a hotel at a mid-level chain and booked by phone. All they asked for was a CC and my name and phone # (misspelling of my regular name, and burner). I check in and try the OneVanilla for a deposit, but they won't take it b / c it doesn't have my name on it. Heard that elsewhere recently, so that's just a no-go. I used the business CC I booked w /. I showed my DL, and I thought it was pretty quick coming back, but unfortunately the dude evidently wrote down everything from the DL. I even said to him at the time that it wasn't my current address, but he evidently got it.

I check out this morning and pay cash, they give me a $0 balance bill, and I can see it's the real me listed on there. Fuck. I go back and say IDK who this is but it isn't me, and ask them to change my address. I give the sugar address I always use. I happen to be a member of the frequent stayer program for that chain, so it is possible that is how they got my real address. Of course, I am worried they will try to give 'me' points for my stay there, something I definitely don't want.

I prefer the other lower chain hotel I have been using near my work. They took my full address the first time I booked, and now I am in their system w/ my fake sugar address/name, a misspelling of my real name so my DL works there. Before this experience, I wouldn't have guessed that giving an address would be preferable to giving nothing, but when it gives you a chance to provide a false address that sticks w/ you, you can see the advantage.

If anyone has any ideas for how I can deal w / this situation better, I'm all ears.

[QUOTE=JustLonely;3273128]...
I take one pill of Ashwangdha, Rhodiola and Maca every day. I buy the Solaray brand of each at Vitamin Shoppe. Been taking it a month. Within 2 weeks I was getting regular morning wood and daytime erections...[/QUOTE]Please post when you cycle out of this combo.

[QUOTE=Ustrongman;3273684]I'm looking for advice on a burner phone. Shopped and so many choices. Great advice. Thanks.

Rule 5: Always use a burner phone and keep that phone out of your home. You can also use a burner app or google voice.[/QUOTE]I have heard some people start with a clam phone to save money. You will be texting the POTs a lot, and it takes such a long time. It's not advisable. Plus you want to see the pics when you have a girl who likes to s sext to build up to the FC. If you get a smart phone, you can completely keep your real life separate. Get one from a reliable carrier in your area. Make sure the one has a changeable SIM card. If you want to dump a number and start over, you can just swap SIM cards and sign up for service again. You don't want to have to dump the phone too. With that in mind, you may opt for a little more expensive phone with a larger screen. It comes in handy for the girls who love to sext and texting in general. Other than that, they are basically the same moving up the different price points.

[QUOTE=Ustrongman;3273684]I'm looking for advice on a burner phone. Shopped and so many choices. Great advice. Thanks.
Rule 5: Always use a burner phone and keep that phone out of your home. You can also use a burner app or google voice.[/QUOTE]You can have the best of both worlds. Get the Hushed app. It does not integrate with your primary phone in anyway as long as you tell it to keep contacts separate. You can password protect the app itself, so that even if someone is in your phone they can't get into the app. You can control whether notifications appear, so you need to be careful with that if you keep the app loaded on your primary phone. I keep it on my primary phone at all times (SO isn't allowed in my stuff), but I change the settings when I'm traveling, and I return them to "covert" mode when I'm back home, so the girls can reach me easier when I'm on the road.

And here's the part that some might find helpful. You don't have to load it on your primary phone if you need the physical separation of devices (I. E. If your SO looks at your phone, you don't want to explain that password protected app). Get a used smartphone, iPod touch, or use one of your old phones to load the app onto. Tablets work too. Then use your phone as a mobile wi-fi hotspot, and connect the burner device to the real phone via wi-fi, then just use the apps to make calls as if it were a secondary phone.

About $30 per year (yes per year) per phone number, and have as many numbers in the app as you like (easy to switch between them). You can also get a number that expires in a few days for just a few bucks, in case you want to make contact with a girl before giving her a more permanent burner number. This makes it easy to go dark on anyone that you didn't give the "privileged" number to.

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3274387]I have heard some people start with a clam phone to save money. You will be texting the POTs a lot, and it takes such a long time. It's not advisable. Plus you want to see the pics when you have a girl who likes to s sext to build up to the FC. If you get a smart phone, you can completely keep your real life separate. Get one from a reliable carrier in your area. Make sure the one has a changeable SIM card. If you want to dump a number and start over, you can just swap SIM cards and sign up for service again. You don't want to have to dump the phone too. With that in mind, you may opt for a little more expensive phone with a larger screen. It comes in handy for the girls who love to sext and texting in general. Other than that, they are basically the same moving up the different price points.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your points. I have a smart civi phone. And my burner is a candybar. You don't specifically refer to the ease of keeping the phone away from the SO. Its plus is that it's easily hidden; it stays in the car when I am home. No doubt texting is painful. I haven't had many send pix, and I can always forward those on to my bowl email. Being married isn't the only reason to have a burner in the bowl. I have also thought about getting a burner that is identical to my civi phone, so if it was by chance seen it would not raise alarms.

[QUOTE=Ustrongman;3273684]I'm looking for advice on a burner phone. Shopped and so many choices. Great advice. Thanks.

Rule 5: Always use a burner phone and keep that phone out of your home. You can also use a burner app or google voice.[/QUOTE]USMan,

I use a touch screen tracfone. It does the job. By the phone and then load it with a preepaid phonecard. A littlebit of a hassle scratchin the back like a scratch off lottery tix. You'll need to either e in a wifi hotspot to lode the activation code or dial the toll free number. Not as as good as an iphone but does the job.

Best of Luck.

V.

I posted this in the Nashville forum but wanted to get the opinion of some of my more esteemed and experienced daddies here. I look forward to any insight you gentlemen may provide to a somewhat new SD.

Seems I will be busy the next two days.

Trying to restart with FLSB8 after she flaked on me last Thursday evening. Going to meet tonight and see where it goes from there.

If it doesn't work out, I will let ya know and then ya'll can try to land that fish too.

Saturday afternoon have a meet & greet with a 32 YO cute, single, non smoking, non drinking, no children having, lives by herself POT (potential). Been texting with her and seems like she is very interested in a trip to the FC. NO sugar discussed as of yet and I don't plan on discussing it. If the trip to said FC materializes, I may need to look into some enhancements as later Saturday night, I am meeting up for the evening with my ATF, FLSB1.

Question for you fellow daddies.

Would it be a bad idea to use the same FC twice in the same day? I am thinking I can but will be a somewhat quick turnaround as I meet the POT at 2 and say we end up at FC by 3 or 330. Say two hours of fun and I hustle her out at 530. FLSB1 is coming straight to FC at 7. I think that gives me enough time for maybe a nap between rounds and a little sustenance to fortify my. Courage!

Not worried about SO as mama bear will be out on the town for the afternoon and evening with female friends for late lunch and concert till about 11 pm or so.

Here's hoping I make it through the next two days.