"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3269985]I'm not sure I'd go that far, also b / c I am in the 'whatever you want' zone for sugar w / my regular SB, but definitely a card w / a gift card and cash.[/QUOTE]I helped main SB with her debt already, it was use of my credit card; this isn't really a gift per se based on women and the butterflies they need. Had dinner last night. I think a card and a couple large bills would be going to far without the FC yet.

We have history. Should I give a bit more and wait and see what happens. Women are weird. If I get an added gift it could be seen as a "beta male, nice guy turn-off". I'm siding with no added sugar till FC.

Thoughts from the Bros. ?

[QUOTE=HoyaSvnFgr;3271263]I helped main SB with her debt already, it was use of my credit card; this isn't really a gift per se based on women and the butterflies they need. Had dinner last night. I think a card and a couple large bills would be going to far without the FC yet.

We have history. Should I give a bit more and wait and see what happens. Women are weird. If I get an added gift it could be seen as a "beta male, nice guy turn-off". I'm siding with no added sugar till FC.

Thoughts from the Bros. ?[/QUOTE]I'm confused. You haven't been to the FC yet w / the girl you call 'main SB'? Or just not today? LOL. Sure, don't overpay, but in my view, non-cash compensation (praise, orgasms, etc.) is always worth giving, in maximum quantities.

I can't compare my situation. I am into my main SB and vice versa, we've been together since October - the only hindrance is I have a SO and can't spend as much time w / her as I'd like. No FC until next week. However, she got coffee, a fancy card, 250, + a gift card from me today. Next week she'll get the hotel room and I'll give her cash to cover it and perhaps 100 more, and that'll be that. In the meantime, I have 1st FC w / a hot 19 YO personal trainer I M&G about a month ago.

Brothers, I'm hoping for some honest advice.

I've been messaging this 10/10 SB. She looks real based on her pics, but I'm a bit worried.

She volunteered her number almost immediately. We settled on an allowance and we're talking about schedule a first meeting. She then asks for a pic (I have a blurry one as my profile pic). I politely decline because I don't want to give myself away. She's says she cannot see me without a pic. Fine, I think and just ignore her message. She texts back 30 minutes later and says that not being able to show one pic is fishy. I ignore that text too, but after two hours, she texts another pic of her (not a nudy or anything).

Why does she want a pic of me so badly? Or am I just paranoid? Should I take a selfie and send it and just not use that selfie for anything else?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3269898]I give 1 1/2 PPM as her gift. Your main SB is not an SB -she is apparently an ex FwB, What is her incentive to hang out with you if you don't give an allowance? If you consider her an SB then Sugar is what we do. Give her some money to help with her debt.[/QUOTE]Hey Fred!

I'd been looking for a clear parallel definition of my SB experience. And you simplify it perfectly. Like most guys I started SA as more of a PPE arrangement. I didn't intend it that way, but it was unspoken with the girls I pursued. First month in The Bowl, routine was M&G, FC on first date. Sugar was typically dinner, and travel costs with a little something extra. Juggled several SBs that way and then had mutual agreement with one to go "exclusive" and both delete our profiles. This is where it gets interesting.

Here's that alternative. Instant assessment of wants / needs for both of us. No sugar discussion, this girl was much more mature and intelligent than that. Body language and a vibe indicated she had a financial need. I'd have an envelope prepared, depending on what she shared with me I'd hand it over. Sometimes the FC, sometimes not. There was balance. Over some time it was clear that if her basic needs are taken care of as a student and a 9+ spinner she's 100% GFE SO / SB. Based on history, this appears to be the path her mom took. No need for PPE, no set allowance. Its more or less worked out like this for example: if her car needed repair (SD / SO has it covered), phone broken (SD), specific clothing item (SD). Basically cover the needs. FC frequency as often as keeping her feelings tingly. Keeping a backbone, calling her out on her 20 something BS. Kept things in line. Drowling over her lounging around in lingerie all day resulted in her getting distant, losing interest and probably looking for a replacement. Now it's a dance we play.

In my opinion, those are the 2 extremes of being an SD. I'm sure there's lots of grey. In both extremes the calling card is to walk away.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3271423]I'm confused. You haven't been to the FC yet w / the girl you call 'main SB'? Or just not today? LOL. Sure, don't overpay, but in my view, non-cash compensation (praise, orgasms, etc.) is always worth giving, in maximum quantities.

I can't compare my situation. I am into my main SB and vice versa, we've been together since October - the only hindrance is I have a SO and can't spend as much time w / her as I'd like. No FC until next week. However, she got coffee, a fancy card, 250, + a gift card from me today. Next week she'll get the hotel room and I'll give her cash to cover it and perhaps 100 more, and that'll be that. In the meantime, I have 1st FC w / a hot 19 YO personal trainer I M&G about a month ago.[/QUOTE]Main SB, no FC for like two weeks. First week was attitude, don't touch me stuff cause she was stressed about a debt. Last week into now is her on her period. LOL. The pitfalls of the GFE. Lmao.

I actual like when an SB requests to see my private pics. I would never see an SB that has not been complimentary of my appearance. Any SB who doesn't care what I look like is too much like an escort.

That said, I would also be careful not to provide a pic that could be linked to me. Especially if her looks are almost TGTBT. I provide a selfie taken only for her and make sure no metatags are included in the pic properties.

[QUOTE=Gesab69;3271506]Brothers, I'm hoping for some honest advice.

I've been messaging this 10/10 SB. She looks real based on her pics, but I'm a bit worried.

She volunteered her number almost immediately. We settled on an allowance and we're talking about schedule a first meeting. She then asks for a pic (I have a blurry one as my profile pic). I politely decline because I don't want to give myself away. She's says she cannot see me without a pic. Fine, I think and just ignore her message. She texts back 30 minutes later and says that not being able to show one pic is fishy. I ignore that text too, but after two hours, she texts another pic of her (not a nudy or anything).

Why does she want a pic of me so badly? Or am I just paranoid? Should I take a selfie and send it and just not use that selfie for anything else?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3271785]I actual like when an SB requests to see my private pics. I would never see an SB that has not been complimentary of my appearance. Any SB who doesn't care what I look like is too much like an escort.

That said, I would also be careful not to provide a pic that could be linked to me. Especially if her looks are almost TGTBT. I provide a selfie taken only for her and make sure no metatags are included in the pic properties.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I wouldn't say her pics are TGTBT- she clearly took some Facebook pics and cropped her friends out. I'll send her a selfie. Thanks again.

Going there next month, have not fished those waters in a couple of years.

Anyone interested in trading intel?

With natural ways to alleviate ED specifically maintaining an erection which is my problem. The V-itamin works for me but I lose sensitivity (too hard?) and hence it's less pleasurable which in turn makes it difficult to orgasm.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3272442]With natural ways to alleviate ED specifically maintaining an erection which is my problem. The V-itamin works for me but I lose sensitivity (too hard?) and hence it's less pleasurable which in turn makes it difficult to orgasm.[/QUOTE]See my posts in this thread on the benefits of exercise. Not only is it much cheaper and healthier than ED drugs, it helps prevent other health problems down the road (when we get old enough that our goals are more about mere survival than boner sustenance). Plus being your absolute fittest helps you not only in the bedroom, but with the quality of girls you take there in the first place. Almost unconditionally, women will choose an athletic or fit sex partner over one that's neither.

And, just in case you really want over the top performance, regular exercise combined with even small doses of ED drugs can turn you into something you never thought you'd be even when you were 18. I tried experimenting with V, and 25 mg combined with having exercised at least once or twice in the 3 days prior will keep me going all night, as many rounds as I want, each time as hard as the first. I once decided to live dangerously and take 50 mg (half the prescribed dose), and I was a walking penile explosive device for 16 hours literally -- I don't mean I had a hard-on the whole time, I meant that if I even saw a decent looking girl in shorts from a distance, I was hard again and sex occupied my thoughts all day long. The reason I decided to try V was I had an experience once where a stunner SB staying all night with me wanted a third round (and I had gotten a pleasant rub and tug at an AMP earlier in the day, so that would have made four loads total in less than 12 hours. I was traveling so had not exercised in 4 days) -- I was tired and not up to it, so I decided to keep some V nearby as backup, if situations like that ever occurred (I'm a very responsible SD like that, I feel obligated to not leave my SB wanting... lol).

Point is you can usually get by with one or the other (exercise or ED drugs) or you can combine them for truly memorable experiences.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;3272442]With natural ways to alleviate ED specifically maintaining an erection which is my problem. The V-itamin works for me but I lose sensitivity (too hard?) and hence it's less pleasurable which in turn makes it difficult to orgasm.[/QUOTE]I had a situation like this to some extent w / an early SB, but w / more experience in the bowl and better arrangements, it went away. That initial baby was super hot and I took some big risks w / the marriage to see her, and that was always in the back of my mind (how much time, what place, etc. ? That baby was also not perfectly catering to me, and that took its toll. I was always pressed in some way when w / her.

Seems about half the the SBs I schedule an M & G for will be on FB through their cell number. The remaining half I try to uncover a few minor details during our first date to enable me to find them on FB. I would say that practically all SBs will give you their real first name early in the process. As you probably know FB has a Find Friends section where you can fill in categories of current city, home town, employer and school. I always assumed you needed to put in at least a first name, but you don't. Let me give you an example of clever. I was with an SB yesterday for an M & G. She told me where she worked and what college she graduated from (although that part might be untrue. She was wearing a sweatshirt of the college's 2nd biggest rival). I came back home and couldn't find her on FB, and then I had an idea. I left the name blank then put in the employers name (local sports bar). About ten names showed up (but not hers) so I then went to a girl's FB page from that employer who was about her age and then went to her friends section. I put in my SB's first name. Bingo. I then went to another employer peer, a guy about her age and did the same thing -bingo. My SB didn't have much of a FB page but then I was able to to to [URL]www.atlaspublicrecords.com[/URL] and found her (two minor driving snafus) and her address.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3272799]Seems about half the the SBs I schedule an M & G for will be on FB through their cell number. The remaining half I try to uncover a few minor details during our first date to enable me to find them on FB. I would say that practically all SBs will give you their real first name early in the process. As you probably know FB has a Find Friends section where you can fill in categories of current city, home town, employer and school. I always assumed you needed to put in at least a first name, but you don't. Let me give you an example of clever. I was with an SB yesterday for an M & G. She told me where she worked and what college she graduated from (although that part might be untrue. She was wearing a sweatshirt of the college's 2nd biggest rival). I came back home and couldn't find her on FB, and then I had an idea. I left the name blank then put in the employers name (local sports bar). About ten names showed up (but not hers) so I then went to a girl's FB page from that employer who was about her age and then went to her friends section. I put in my SB's first name. Bingo. I then went to another employer peer, a guy about her age and did the same thing -bingo. My SB didn't have much of a FB page but then I was able to to to [URL]www.atlaspublicrecords.com[/URL] and found her (two minor driving snafus) and her address.[/QUOTE]What's the situation w / vital records? In some states, they are public and online. In California, it seems you can make a request but they aren't directly available. Obviously, I am interested about stuff like marriages and divorces.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3272489]...
And, just in case you really want over the top performance, regular exercise combined with even small doses of ED drugs can turn you into something you never thought you'd be even when you were 18. I tried experimenting with V, and 25 mg combined with having exercised at least once or twice in the 3 days prior will keep me going all night, as many rounds as I want, each time as hard as the first. I once decided to live dangerously and take 50 mg (half the prescribed dose), and I was a walking penile explosive device for 16 hours literally...[/QUOTE]V works for me maybe too well as I remain hard for too long and become sore and almost bloody from the extended play. I will try dropping it to 25 mg and see.

What type of exercise helps? I do it Monday thru Friday at the gym at my work to alleviate other health issues!

Did you start having ED or did it worsen if it was already there after the procedure? I do not know if my current problems are due to it (it's been 16 months since the snip) or aging or something else entirely.