NoVA SugarBabies

[QUOTE=CuriousVaMan;6839102]So I visited an SB three times in late 2023 - say once in Oct, Nov and Dec. For $400 each visit. I texted her tonight to see if she wanted to meet later this week. She says sure, but that'll be $800! After texting a little with her back and forth, she said she needs at least 1 visit per month to maintain the relationship. Am I the asshole for allowing a 3-month lapse in visits? I kinda understand her position, but reality sometimes intervenes in scheduling SB visits.

I have another SB that I saw a few weeks ago after a 3-month lapse and she didn't bat an eye letting me unload in her.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]First, post the link to her account so I can at least attempt to smash or see if that increase in price is consistent. (hahaha).

I don't see how you understand her position. To charge you more because you stop seeing her and now coming back? That's curious. Did you mislead her in that you wanted something consistent? Why spin the block now.

Thought I would try SA out. Talking to "Hello". Anyone have experiences with her they don't mind sharing.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/24642bed-b44f-4302-b2f9-45af3955c657[/URL]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6839414]So, look, if the 'recent location' on a SA profile does not list the US, it is 100% a scammer, and you really don't have any reason to continue w / them. Sometimes they will say stuff like they were visiting there, or they use a VPN, or something like that, but I can say after several years on the site I have never had one of those situations turn into an actual meeting w / a person.[/QUOTE]Very true, I typically hide / block any Seeking profiles with recent locations outside the USA The chances of SBs even being a little tech savvy to mask their location via VPN is slim.

That being said though, I myself do use a VPN and was questioned once about it showing me in Mexico. Surprisingly, that one met up with me a week later though nothing came of it (wasn't interested).

[QUOTE=RudyWellz;6834209]She's been on for 2 years and maybe had a previous profile. Searched, but no reports. Spoke to her a couple of weeks ago and got the high volume vibes. Any intel?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/746dd7cf-dec2-4808-9e6b-229c12894ac0[/URL][/QUOTE]Similar experiences as many others. She is all sorts of flashing red warning lights. I like a little crazy so I dipped my toe a little deeper than others. Did not go back.

Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.

So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool. But as soon as she gets in the room she's just super awkward. Over the years I've been told dozens of times by gals when they meet me I'm very disarming, very easy to talk to. I like to make small talk for a while, get to know one another so I start to try with her. Ask where she's from, what she does for work. Immediately within two minutes she completely changes the subject, just straight to the point and asks if she can change my mind about not using condoms? I'm like nope, that's what was agreed to so that's the deal. If you're not comfortable I totally understand, and you're more than welcome to leave. So right off the bat she's making things awkward. She then says ok fine, can you pay me now? I said no, I'd prefer to take care of that when we're done. She says well I'm not going anywhere, can we just do it now? I'd be more comfortable if we took care of it now. Again I said no I'm not comfortable with that, but once again if you've got a problem with it you're welcome to leave. She says well can you at least set the cash out so I can see it? At this point I know this whole situation is fucked but I'm still holding out hope because she's pretty hot and I'd really like to continue with our original plans so I said you never told me you wanted cash, I'd prefer to cash app you when we're done. She said she doesn't have cash app, so I said ok, well I didn't stop to get cash so I'll have to go to the ATM downstairs. Is that what you want me to do? Go all the way downstairs now, or can we just take care of it when we're done? She said yes I'd like you to go get the cash. So I grabbed my phone, acted like I was going to get the cash and just went out to my car left. I'm 99% sure based on all her sketchy behavior from circling the parking lot for 10 minutes, to taking forever to actually get to the room to the awkwardness once she was in the room that something was up. It was either going to be a cash and dash, or at best I'd get one nut and she'd immediately come up with some bullshit excuse 10 minutes later that she'd have to leave. So I chalked it up to a waste of money on the room and cut my losses there.

But regardless, the whole vibe was fucked once she was so adamant about me paying her upfront. And tbh anytime I've had a chick in the past ask for it upfront and I've unwillingly agreed it's never a good experience because now they've lost any incentive to stay for however long you agreed to or to live up to their end of the deal. Hasn't happened often but when it does I always end up feeling shorted. So does anyone have some good advice on how to handle the situation when they ask to be paid upfront but to still not come off sounding like a complete dick and ruin the vibe? Because I'll be honest, idk how to handle that situation with any grace and still stick to my guns.

Question and comment.

Did you really leave her alone in the room?

If I were in such a situation, I would try to calm things in this way. I would say offer to give her 100 upfront, to 'show my goodwill'. I have on multiple occasions given a POT 100 at the M&G, because I ask the girls to book our rooms (I have a SO), and I want them to know they are not taking a financial risk in doing so. Most of the time it has worked out and I have ended up in the FC w / them (of course, based on the quality of our interactions at the M&G), only a few times has the planned FC trip not materialized.

There are some costs of business in the sugar world, it is best to come to terms w / that fact that sometimes, the worm get the bird.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6840461]Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.

So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool. But as soon as she gets in the room she's just super awkward. Over the years I've been told dozens of times by gals when they meet me I'm very disarming, very easy to talk to. I like to make small talk for a while, get to know one another so I start to try with her. Ask where she's from, what she does for work. Immediately within two minutes she completely changes the subject, just straight to the point and asks if she can change my mind about not using condoms? I'm like nope, that's what was agreed to so that's the deal. If you're not comfortable I totally understand, and you're more than welcome to leave. So right off the bat she's making things awkward. She then says ok fine, can you pay me now? I said no, I'd prefer to take care of that when we're done. She says well I'm not going anywhere, can we just do it now? I'd be more comfortable if we took care of it now. Again I said no I'm not comfortable with that, but once again if you've got a problem with it you're welcome to leave. She says well can you at least set the cash out so I can see it? At this point I know this whole situation is fucked but I'm still holding out hope because she's pretty hot and I'd really like to continue with our original plans so I said you never told me you wanted cash, I'd prefer to cash app you when we're done. She said she doesn't have cash app, so I said ok, well I didn't stop to get cash so I'll have to go to the ATM downstairs. Is that what you want me to do? Go all the way downstairs now, or can we just take care of it when we're done? She said yes I'd like you to go get the cash. So I grabbed my phone, acted like I was going to get the cash and just went out to my car left. I'm 99% sure based on all her sketchy behavior from circling the parking lot for 10 minutes, to taking forever to actually get to the room to the awkwardness once she was in the room that something was up. It was either going to be a cash and dash, or at best I'd get one nut and she'd immediately come up with some bullshit excuse 10 minutes later that she'd have to leave. So I chalked it up to a waste of money on the room and cut my losses there.

But regardless, the whole vibe was fucked once she was so adamant about me paying her upfront. And tbh anytime I've had a chick in the past ask for it upfront and I've unwillingly agreed it's never a good experience because now they've lost any incentive to stay for however long you agreed to or to live up to their end of the deal. Hasn't happened often but when it does I always end up feeling shorted. So does anyone have some good advice on how to handle the situation when they ask to be paid upfront but to still not come off sounding like a complete dick and ruin the vibe? Because I'll be honest, idk how to handle that situation with any grace and still stick to my guns.[/QUOTE]Damn, sounds like you dodged a bullet. Could have been a cash and dash or an ambush from some associates of hers. Best case scenario is that she is a virgin / brand new to this and was extremely awkward, but that's unlikely. Anyway, I'm happy you went along with your spidey senses and GTFO.

My only question, did you pay for the room in cash or card? I can only imagine the damage a scorned woman could do to a hotel room after being left like that. Hope your credit card wasn't on file.

This one was on SA, but blocked her, was sweet and a very good fuck. But started asking money and the when I ignored her, she started blackmailing. Just blocked her everywhere.

Not worth it.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6840461]Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k....[/QUOTE]I have had this type of experience at least 7 times in my rookie days, and guess what, none of them ended pleasantly. You did what I initially wished I had the balls to do. The moment they walk win with a business-like attitude and / or demanding money instantly, it will most likely be a shit show. Thankfully, that's in the past. Nowadays, I am more firm in how I want things to be done. Any little deviation and I am out. But I would be terrified of leaving a woman like that in that room since she could possibly damage it out of anger.

Man Dimples, that sucks! Especially cause she was hot. LOL When I'm in that situation, I offer half upfront and the rest later. That always works for me. I've been following your lead for years, I know you're a seasoned veteran so I'm sure your instincts were right.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6840461]Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.

So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6840655]Question and comment.

Did you really leave her alone in the room?

If I were in such a situation, I would try to calm things in this way. I would say offer to give her 100 upfront, to 'show my goodwill'. I have on multiple occasions given a POT 100 at the M&G, because I ask the girls to book our rooms (I have a SO), and I want them to know they are not taking a financial risk in doing so. Most of the time it has worked out and I have ended up in the FC w / them (of course, based on the quality of our interactions at the M&G), only a few times has the planned FC trip not materialized.

There are some costs of business in the sugar world, it is best to come to terms w / that fact that sometimes, the worm get the bird.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I walked out and went straight to my car and left, I didn't leave the key card behind or anything other valuables. The hotel is in the same direction as my commute to work so I stopped by there this morning on my way in just to double check that she didn't smash the tv or anything. Everything was fine.

The GPS is getting up into batshit crazy levels. She genuinely asked for 2 k ppm LOL. WTF.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ff87f63e-726c-4261-a164-80bf3cc0eeb3[/URL]

That's why I never take a girl to a hotel room before talking to them at a public place where both parties can change their minds without any pressure and with out making a scene. This type of conversations in a hotel room (especially where a young or inexperienced girl may feel pressured) never end up well. You could have also saved the cost for the hotel room. Regardless, IMO, you were not going to get goods from her anyway. The virgin claim should have been a clue. I would have ended the deal right there. Starts with deception, ends up with deception.

Play safe guys.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6840461]Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.

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[QUOTE=Dimples572;6840461]Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.

So Introduce myself, give her a peck on the cheek. Offer some wine I'd brought, she declined said she just wants water so gave her one of the bottles in the room. This whole time we've been texting she's been super friendly and personal, seemed cool. But as soon as she gets in the room she's just super awkward. Over the years I've been told dozens of times by gals when they meet me I'm very disarming, very easy to talk to. I like to make small talk for a while, get to know one another so I start to try with her. Ask where she's from, what she does for work. Immediately within two minutes she completely changes the subject, just straight to the point and asks if she can change my mind about not using condoms? I'm like nope, that's what was agreed to so that's the deal. If you're not comfortable I totally understand, and you're more than welcome to leave. So right off the bat she's making things awkward. She then says ok fine, can you pay me now? I said no, I'd prefer to take care of that when we're done. She says well I'm not going anywhere, can we just do it now? I'd be more comfortable if we took care of it now. Again I said no I'm not comfortable with that, but once again if you've got a problem with it you're welcome to leave. She says well can you at least set the cash out so I can see it? At this point I know this whole situation is fucked but I'm still holding out hope because she's pretty hot and I'd really like to continue with our original plans so I said you never told me you wanted cash, I'd prefer to cash app you when we're done. She said she doesn't have cash app, so I said ok, well I didn't stop to get cash so I'll have to go to the ATM downstairs. Is that what you want me to do? Go all the way downstairs now, or can we just take care of it when we're done? She said yes I'd like you to go get the cash. So I grabbed my phone, acted like I was going to get the cash and just went out to my car left. I'm 99% sure based on all her sketchy behavior from circling the parking lot for 10 minutes, to taking forever to actually get to the room to the awkwardness once she was in the room that something was up. It was either going to be a cash and dash, or at best I'd get one nut and she'd immediately come up with some bullshit excuse 10 minutes later that she'd have to leave. So I chalked it up to a waste of money on the room and cut my losses there.

But regardless, the whole vibe was fucked once she was so adamant about me paying her upfront. And tbh anytime I've had a chick in the past ask for it upfront and I've unwillingly agreed it's never a good experience because now they've lost any incentive to stay for however long you agreed to or to live up to their end of the deal. Hasn't happened often but when it does I always end up feeling shorted. So does anyone have some good advice on how to handle the situation when they ask to be paid upfront but to still not come off sounding like a complete dick and ruin the vibe? Because I'll be honest, idk how to handle that situation with any grace and still stick to my guns.[/QUOTE]I guess I will be the contrarian here. I think you sort of blew it. You had a very cute, very young girl, maybe not a virgin but maybe she was, and who may have been willing to have condom sex with you for $500. Maybe if you had given in on the condoms (which I always use anyway. I want to reduce the risk of taking something back to my GF) she might have been more amenable to compromising on the payment method. It seems like you may have pushed a scared, naive girl, insisted on having everything your way, and ended up with no girl and out a hotel room. Respectfully I think I would have handled it all differently. I prefer being nice to the girls and it usually gets me a long way.

The part I don't get from your side is your insistence on paying her through Cashapp. Most girls like cash, and it is always my way of paying. No paper trail. Why Cashapp? Did you discuss with her beforehand the payment would be Cashapp and she changed her mind when she got to the hotel room? If she was genuine (which I don't believe) she has a reason to be suspicious. Or you actually had cash with you and it was your getaway strategy to escape the scene?

[QUOTE=Dimples572;6840461]Heavenlyangx.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8019d5c6-38bd-4500-b021-fe4e2069cdba[/URL]

Started texting with this one, at first she tried to sell me that she was a virgin and asked for 1 k. I laughed at her offer, countered with half and no condom for 4 hrs, she agreed. I get us a room, send her the address. I check in and about 15 minutes later I get a text saying she doesn't know where to park. Huh? There's tons of spots in the parking lot, so I peak out the window and I watch who I'm 99% sure is her circle the hotel once, park for a bit then pull out and circle the hotel another 3-4 times. I'm like if that's her WTF is she doing. Eventually she finally parks, a few minutes later she texts and says I'm here. I send her the room number and watch her walk from her car to the entrance. Keep in mind this is not a big hotel at all, only has 5 floors and I was on the 5th. You walk in the lobby and the elevator is literally right around the corner. But 5 minutes goes by and she's still not at my door so now my Spidey senses are on high alert. I send a text asking what's up? Finally about 3-4 minutes later she responds with I'm here, doesn't knock but I check the peephole and she's there. Not the girl in the pictures on the profile but actually way hotter, more petite. I'm pleasantly surprised.

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