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I've seen Rene. Good massage (rare indeed) and a HE was good as well. I say she worth seeing. I've never seen Kristy.
QUOTE=RedBaron83; 1829673]Has anyone seen either Kristy or Renee that list Murfreesboro as their location? Thanks for any info.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/rene-is-available-35/7166844[/url]
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/kristywill-be-doing-incall-or-out-call-23/6763352[/url][/QUOTE]
Does anyone have any intel on Kandy in the Boro?
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/your-little-secretgreat-incall-specials-24/8505807[/url]
Looks nice but as we know looks are deceiving.
[QUOTE=Maj Conan; 1832201]Brother your right! I went through 3 when I was with her! She is a sexual beast! I never felt that totally worn out before! She climaxed so many times and positions it was like being in a porno film! I wish she was around more!
However I have not seen her post on BP! A few other places but not back page! Maybe you got it your sites confused or providers![/QUOTE]From what I heard my favorite lady eden has got a real job and left the game that's a damn shame
[QUOTE=Yankman; 1832397]I've seen Rene. Good massage (rare indeed) and a HE was good as well. I say she worth seeing. I've never seen Kristy.
QUOTE=RedBaron83; 1829673]Has anyone seen either Kristy or Renee that list Murfreesboro as their location? Thanks for any info.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/rene-is-available-35/7166844[/url]
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/BodyRubs/kristywill-be-doing-incall-or-out-call-23/6763352[/url][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true?
[QUOTE=Buoy Dodger;1832635][/QUOTE]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true?[/QUOTE]In the beginning she didn't, but I've seen her a few times. Of late, the HE included both tits in my mouth, alternating of course. She was liking it as much as I was.
[QUOTE=Buoy Dodger;1832635][/QUOTE]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true?[/QUOTE]May or may not be true, but Kristy, according to Rene when she had a broken ankle, is actually her daughter. By the way she acted when Kristy was "filling in" for her, I would think it was true. Very clear about me not mentioning to Kristy what happened between Rene and I and Rene not wanting to know a thing about what went on behind closed doors with Kristy. That was a year ago, and the visit with Kristy wasn't such that I wanted to revisit, but she is one fine looking young lady.
[QUOTE=UpForItNow;1832371]Not sure how, but my search in the Ky Other Areas forums missed those reports. The search functions on this board have always left something to be disired, though. FWIW, I have also looked back several times at the photo that bothered Jeepster, and don't see any marks that look like a reason for concern. Not sure what you saw there, Jeep? Anyway, the reports from Bowling Green look encouraging.[/QUOTE]I saw some minor marks on the underside of her forearm when I zoomed in on the pic, but I must admit that most of us older than 21 can't claim to have a baby-soft peachy complexion. Probably Gypsy gal looks just fine.
-Jeepster1
[QUOTE=Buoy Dodger;1832635][/QUOTE]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true?[/QUOTE]That was true for me. Rules. Very sterile massage session. No touch, no nudity, nothing suggestive other than dream of HJ.
[QUOTE=Angustn;1832831]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true? That was true for me. Rules. Very sterile massage session. No touch, no nudity, nothing suggestive other than dream of HJ.[/QUOTE]Her husband is home full time on disability.
No way she will do something to disrupt marital harmony.
Two diferent ladies, both on BP body rubs. Rene, M'boro incall 35yo; Renee, Nashville outcall. 45yo. Havnt seen either. Rene doesn't interest me, but Renee does. Talked to her on the phone and she piqued my interest. Anyone seen Renee (45)?
I had a dream about Renee once. She is super nice and outgoing. Began visit as it was going to be a regular massage. After a few minutes I asked her how she would feel about getting a little more comfortable. She did, and it was a great dream. I was just looking for a nice rub down with a great view and a HE, and that's exactly what I got. She's very personable and she makes you feel very comfortable. It was nice to just lie there and talk with her as she worked out the kinks. Treat her well, she's a sweetie.
[QUOTE=Tenderfoot;1833199]Two diferent ladies, both on BP body rubs. Rene, M'boro incall 35yo; Renee, Nashville outcall. 45yo. Havnt seen either. Rene doesn't interest me, but Renee does. Talked to her on the phone and she piqued my interest. Anyone seen Renee (45)?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TNRackMaster;1828006]New member here! I don't have any info on this "treasure chest" to share. Yet. I do have a question for all the breast men on here. Who do you think has the best set of tits in the Nashville area? I know this is a VERY subjective question. I will narrow it down to my fav breast type. The large perky "ski slope" with lots of projection! Many call this the retro look because many of the pin-up girls of the past had this look. Bazooka tits was a popular term. This is my first post so I hope I did this right. I cannot start a new thread as of yet. I have followed this sight for a long time, I want to be a part of it now! So. Let's hear about the greatest tits in Nashville![/QUOTE]I would say Hannabeth. Absolutely PERFECT. I am a boob guy she has a perfect body. Everything is perfect. Perfect boobs, perfect shapely curvy hips and ass. Perfect everything. Hannabeth hannabeth hannabeth! Can't get enough of her! She is the best lady I have ever seen. So beautiful, and her attitude and enthusiasm is 100% on top of anything I have ever had.
[QUOTE=DogginUSA; 1830310]So I used my sources and checked. These two look great but I can't find any review.
Any help would be great!
Gina.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/hot-busty-brunette-ready-2-play-25/8211232[/url]
Misty.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/100-incall-specials-unrushed-and-discreet-25/8571785[/url]
I would be happy to see any one of these dark haired booties. Err. Beauties[/QUOTE]Called Misty about a few weeks ago. Set up a meeting, drove to her cross streets she told me to go to. Called her again and she quit answering her phone. I called and called and called because I was where she said to go. She never answered after 45 minutes of me calling every 5 minutes. So I gave up.
Could use some info on her.
I have seen her 2-3 times but it has been 6 months or longer. Pretty cool lady. Decent looks. Not much on the massage skills but will tease you along the way. Happy finish every time I saw her. The last time she was nude for the entire massage. I got the feeling that the menu could expand as she gets to know you. As I recall, paid $120 for 60 mins and the HE.
[QUOTE=Tenderfoot;1833199]Two diferent ladies, both on BP body rubs. Rene, M'boro incall 35yo; Renee, Nashville outcall. 45yo. Havnt seen either. Rene doesn't interest me, but Renee does. Talked to her on the phone and she piqued my interest. Anyone seen Renee (45)?[/QUOTE]
Damn there are getting to be a lot of big women on BP but this one is new and hot anyone with info.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/well-reviewed-sinfully-sexy-incredibly-sweett-exotic-brunette-1oo-rdyandreal-21/8502324[/url]
[QUOTE=Ronshouse; 1833662]Damn there are getting to be a lot of big women on BP but this one is new and hot anyone with info.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/well-reviewed-sinfully-sexy-incredibly-sweett-exotic-brunette-1oo-rdyandreal-21/8502324[/url][/QUOTE]No personal info but she has a T_E_R i_d number in her ad. Click for search:
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=ter%20id%20223241[/url]
-Jeepster1
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Anybody know anything? I've googled the phone number and didn't find very much.
[QUOTE=Hopper11; 1833775][url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/e-t-s-_-a-k-e-_-a-g-i-c-24/8632622[/url]
Anybody know anything? I've googled the phone number and didn't find very much.[/QUOTE]Sorry but if she's real then she is using fake pics.
[QUOTE=Ronshouse; 1833662]Damn there are getting to be a lot of big women on BP but this one is new and hot anyone with info.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/well-reviewed-sinfully-sexy-incredibly-sweett-exotic-brunette-1oo-rdyandreal-21/8502324[/url][/QUOTE]Never seen her pics before but I can't get past the moo cow nose ring in that 1 pic.
[QUOTE=Buoy Dodger;1832635][/QUOTE]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true?[/QUOTE]I'm a good looking guy, and or it was my bday so I got BBJ the first time I ever seen her
[QUOTE=Buoy Dodger;1832635][/QUOTE]I heard that Rene doesn't allow any touching is this true?[/QUOTE]She allows touching, its a massage, somebody has to be touched ha ha. Get to know her and you will be fine, she is selective on what she does with who. She likes good looking guys
Welcome back Bob. I like your new name. I agree with you about Lilly. She is very good at what she does.
Dfrbs
[QUOTE=Fedice;1832085]Eden Franco make sure to take a cover.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blackhawk 101; 1538418]Ohhh. Let's just let it go. We all can fiqure who is who on the boards from wrighting skills.
Bob makes a good point."If somebody says they would repeat with a provider then that is a strong recommendation beside we all know YMMV with each provider. I'm sure Blackhawk and other senior members gets alot more special privledges with providers than most. I have found its not always just about the money!"
It's true with the smart providers they make each client feel special. It's the same way in the business world. Keep your customer happy and feeling special and you will go a long way.
The girls who have the great faces and hard boddies and no business skills don't last long.
It seemed to shock some providers Karma was making $2, 500 to $5, 500 per week. She knows how to make each customer feel special, play the game, have some variety and took care of their needs.
She should have gave classes! The same way Bamababe is the GFE Queen! Both woman not 10's but beautiful in there own way and YMMV with each provider.
Then there are the Columbian GFE / PSE providers like Christi LaMour. The whole package but worth every penny. IMHO!
I was offered a freebee yesterday for my birthday but left a very nice tip for my providers great skills.
Treating the great providers the way you would want to be treated has it's benifits. I've been doing this 10 years at different levels. 98% of the appointments have been great, I have never met Leo, thank goodness! However I don't let my little head do the thinking 95% of the time. I research like many of you do. However I have met some smart men who had their life's ruined when there family and work found out about their HOBBY.
So throw your die and see what pips-pops up!
This is about to become a rant and rave so good Luck Pros / Hobbiest. Do your research both ways and play safe!
Not a King just a survivor of the Mickey Metro Wars. LOL.
Metro has a hard job. I just wish they would put their resurces where they need to be. Being around other aspects of law enforcement most my life, it just seems a waste of resources. When you live in overseas and the Eros houses are located about every 6 blocks and you see very little trouble out of them. It makes you wonder when the USA is going to get a clue![/QUOTE]I like, as usual the way you think BH. I just caught up with this post. I believe that your silver tongue fingers need to be seen again. Your worldly experience in the game / hobby is right on. Especially about mickey metro. Ironically Euro doesn't have the rape nor the pedifiles that we have here in the US; however they believe that they are for a greater cause (Mickey Metro)! Instead of taking on real feats and crimes, they'd rather take on pedley stuff like the hobby. Its easy for them, and I hate to say it, but it is the American way. LAZINESS! Metro is lazy and takes on the easy tasks, and or so what they believe the easy tasks are. Other foreign countries like Europe have very little rape and pedifiles. That's because they accept nudity. USA forbids it, hence why our numbers are higher. The Italian Army deploys their own "prostitutes" it produces morale amongst their soldiers. The US since after Vietnam forbids Hookers? WTF. PM me if anybody wants a "great debate". Love ya BH.
Hey guys, there's a lady posting in body rubs on BackPage as "Geena". Same pics were used a week or so ago as "sexy MILF" or something like that. Anyone see her yet? Thanks for any info.
[QUOTE=HornyGoatWeed;1833373]Could use some info on her.[/QUOTE]She has a real job making great bucks, so she is playing now just for the fun of it when she is in town!
You missed a great one Mr Weed!
[QUOTE=Afflacked;1833938]I like, as usual the way you think BH. I just caught up with this post. I believe that your silver tongue fingers need to be seen again. Your worldly experience in the game / hobby is right on. Especially about mickey metro. Ironically Euro doesn't have the rape nor the pedifiles that we have here in the US; however they believe that they are for a greater cause (Mickey Metro)! Instead of taking on real feats and crimes, they'd rather take on pedley stuff like the hobby. Its easy for them, and I hate to say it, but it is the American way. LAZINESS! Metro is lazy and takes on the easy tasks, and or so what they believe the easy tasks are. Other foreign countries like Europe have very little rape and pedifiles. That's because they accept nudity. USA forbids it, hence why our numbers are higher. The Italian Army deploys their own "prostitutes" it produces morale amongst their soldiers. The US since after Vietnam forbids Hookers? WTF. PM me if anybody wants a "great debate". Love ya BH.[/QUOTE]I understand he is on the delayed post program from Admin. I think his last Bob Jones rant got him in trouble. He's talking on Pms and back channels.
[QUOTE=DogginUSA;1828313]I would also love some information as well. She looks perfect.[/QUOTE]Someone has to have seen this lady, says her name
Is Lacy. Any info? She legit?
[QUOTE=Neil200; 1834677]Someone has to have seen this lady, says her name
Is Lacy. Any info? She legit?[/QUOTE]There's a review of her, not a good one, on one of those other sites. Some of her older pics remind me of one of London's girls.
[QUOTE=Neil200; 1834677]Someone has to have seen this lady, says her name
Is Lacy. Any info? She legit?[/QUOTE]Hello everyone, newbie to this forum. Please forgive any errors I make as I am not familiar with all the terms or abbreviations used. I will explore the site further after this, any help or hints would be appreciated.
I had been wanting to register for a while here but finally decided to do it when I saw some of you were wondering about Lacy. My dream with Lacy never became a reality. I texted her on CMA weekend (for those of you familiar with country music) and she replied right away, it was early in the evening. We texted for several hours trying to work something out. Long story short, I agreed to get a place and she would come see me. She offered to give me a break on the donation as long as she could keep the place afterwards, I figured its a win-win situation. Well, keep in mind that there was a shortage of places due to cma's and prices were double and triple the norm. I spent well over 100 for a place but did luck out and got the last room at a place in town, it was a king deluxe and very clean. I reserved the room but Lacy would not meet me till I confirmed I got a place. So that took another 30 mins to get there. I called her back and she said she would be on her way from Madison. I waited over an hour and she texted me saying she was near. We spoke briefly and she asked if I was leo, I said no and even offered to meet her anywhere just so she could check, I myself was trying to make sure she was not leo. She said no she will meet me at the place. I waited about 30 mins longer and tried texting Lacy but she was not replying. By now it was after midnight and I was sure Lacy had changed her mind. She finally texted back saying she "just can't do it" for the donation agreed on. I reminded Lacy we had a deal and I had already got the place which she was to keep afterwards. She texted back saying ok but will only see me for 30 mins. And added that she was just "paranoid in Nashville because of robbers and cops just scared". I tried to make her feel comfortable as best as I could. Finally around 1:30am, Lacy texted back saying she just can't do it and said I could find someone else still. I understand she has to go by her instincts but she literally screwed me over, I think she was just thinking too much. Needless to say, I ended up paying a lot for a place I never got to use.
I should note that Lacy must have a paid subscription to one of those agencies that have personal info on people because she looked me up using my cell number, she was able to tell me my name. I know that doesn't tell you much but she should at least be able to tell I was not leo by being able to see my info. Take this for what it is, I learned my lesson, Lacy may be legit but she may leave you hanging. I also notice she never shows her face in the ads nor does she send any pics, so who knows what she really looks like. Sorry if I bored anyone with this long post.
I haven't been around much lately, but I have been periodically looking through here for reviews, so I wanted to contribute. I saw Brandi last night. Not generally my type, but I was having a heck of a time getting a companion on the phone, so I took a shot. She's a nice girl, in a decent hotel between Nashville and M'boro and she said she's a regular in the area. She was with a friend (she said it was her sister. I never saw her as she was 'taking a bath'). They smoke in the room, but not while I was there and it wasn't too smoke-stinky. She is at least as round as her pics suggest, maybe more-so, so if that's not your thing, look elsewhere. If it is though, she's got nice boobs and in general, I thought she was attractive. I'm not one to go into specifics, but I will see her again. Trusted members can PM me for detail.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/5070100-the-right-choice-g-u-a-a-n-t-d-treat-urself-youll-love-me-21/8557588[/url]
On a side note, I think this [url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/come-n-get-u-some-freaky-friday-late-night-special-so-dam-sexy-24/7904031[/url] Might be her 'sister. ' they seem to post at the same time, and list the same location. Does anyone have any info? I'd love to see her as well.
Thanks!
Thanks man you probably saved me a lot of frustration. Jerry you sre so right about her lookin a little like London or some of her girls. London was a lot of fun at one time. Wonder what happened to her?
[QUOTE=RustyKuntz; 1834985]Hello everyone, newbie to this forum. Please forgive any errors I make as I am not familiar with all the terms or abbreviations used. I will explore the site further after this, any help or hints would be appreciated.
I had been wanting to register for a while here but finally decided to do it when I saw some of you were wondering about Lacy. My dream with Lacy never became a reality. I texted her on CMA weekend (for those of you familiar with country music) and she replied right away, it was early in the evening. We texted for several hours trying to work something out. Long story short, I agreed to get a place and she would come see me. She offered to give me a break on the donation as long as she could keep the place afterwards, I figured its a win-win situation. Well, keep in mind that there was a shortage of places due to cma's and prices were double and triple the norm. I spent well over 100 for a place but did luck out and got the last room at a place in town, it was a king deluxe and very clean. I reserved the room but Lacy would not meet me till I confirmed I got a place. So that took another 30 mins to get there. I called her back and she said she would be on her way from Madison. I waited over an hour and she texted me saying she was near. We spoke briefly and she asked if I was leo, I said no and even offered to meet her anywhere just so she could check, I myself was trying to make sure she was not leo. She said no she will meet me at the place. I waited about 30 mins longer and tried texting Lacy but she was not replying. By now it was after midnight and I was sure Lacy had changed her mind. She finally texted back saying she "just can't do it" for the donation agreed on. I reminded Lacy we had a deal and I had already got the place which she was to keep afterwards. She texted back saying ok but will only see me for 30 mins. And added that she was just "paranoid in Nashville because of robbers and cops just scared". I tried to make her feel comfortable as best as I could. Finally around 1:30am, Lacy texted back saying she just can't do it and said I could find someone else still. I understand she has to go by her instincts but she literally screwed me over, I think she was just thinking too much. Needless to say, I ended up paying a lot for a place I never got to use.
I should note that Lacy must have a paid subscription to one of those agencies that have personal info on people because she looked me up using my cell number, she was able to tell me my name. I know that doesn't tell you much but she should at least be able to tell I was not leo by being able to see my info. Take this for what it is, I learned my lesson, Lacy may be legit but she may leave you hanging. I also notice she never shows her face in the ads nor does she send any pics, so who knows what she really looks like. Sorry if I bored anyone with this long post.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Neil200;1835238]Thanks man you probably saved me a lot of frustration. Jerry you sre so right about her lookin a little like London or some of her girls. London was a lot of fun at one time. Wonder what happened to her?[/QUOTE]No problem Neil, after she screwed me over, I wanted to make sure no one else would fall for her crap, however, I didn't know where to place a review. I almost placed an ad on BP just to warn others but I didn't. Anyway, after reading about her here, I decided to look up her old number and I found the bad review someone else posted about her, I guess I would have been disappointed either way, LOL. Unfortunately my experience with her was prior to that review. I also noticed that some other gal is now using the number she used to have, guess that is not uncommon for the business.
[QUOTE=Bennett4545; 1829877]She looks cute, but maybe too young. Anyone see her?
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/what-u-see-is-what-u-get-100-natural-sexy_redhead-_college-_bombshell-available-now-18/8507560[/url][/QUOTE]She posted a second ad with specific dates available and one was yesterday. Did my research and found that she had posted in NJ last month so we texted back and forth and we agreed to meet in the boro. She told me to call her when I was 10 minutes from the exit and guess what? She didn't answer. She didn't respond to anymore text and was manually sending the phone to voicemail and then turned the phone off. So yea, thanks for wasting my life.
[QUOTE=RedBaron83;1834201]Hey guys, there's a lady posting in body rubs on BackPage as "Geena". Same pics were used a week or so ago as "sexy MILF" or something like that. Anyone see her yet? Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]I saw her a couple of times a few months ago. She's legit- one of the originals from the 8th Ave scene years ago if you were around for that. She was very cautious, decent massage with HE. I have a feeling there's more on the menu, but YMMV. She's definitely got bad girl potential!
[QUOTE=RonSwanson;1836293]She posted a second ad with specific dates available and one was yesterday. Did my research and found that she had posted in NJ last month so we texted back and forth and we agreed to meet in the boro. She told me to call her when I was 10 minutes from the exit and guess what? She didn't answer. She didn't respond to anymore text and was manually sending the phone to voicemail and then turned the phone off. So yea, thanks for wasting my life.[/QUOTE]Sorry this happened to you, sorry we don't get a full report on a girl that interested many of us, sorry that such a cute girl turns out to be a flake. No joy in Mudville tonight, Mighty Swanson has struck out.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/what-u-see-is-what-u-get-100-natural-sexy_redhead-_college-bombshell-available83-85-87-18/8507560[/url]
-Jeepster1
[QUOTE=Jeepster1; 1836446]Sorry this happened to you, sorry we don't get a full report on a girl that interested many of us, sorry that such a cute girl turns out to be a flake. No joy in Mudville tonight, Mighty Swanson has struck out.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/what-u-see-is-what-u-get-100-natural-sexy_redhead-_college-bombshell-available83-85-87-18/8507560[/url]
-Jeepster1[/QUOTE]The way I see it is RODSWENSEN just done a TOFTT sence he made a time with her and she done a NCNS on him. That IS actevetes when you make a time and she gives NCNS even if they didn't do IT. And thats all I got to know. ROD you got cred with me and she is bull shit.
[QUOTE=RonSwanson;1836293]She posted a second ad with specific dates available and one was yesterday. Did my research and found that she had posted in NJ last month so we texted back and forth and we agreed to meet in the boro. She told me to call her when I was 10 minutes from the exit and guess what? She didn't answer. She didn't respond to anymore text and was manually sending the phone to voicemail and then turned the phone off. So yea, thanks for wasting my life.[/QUOTE]Damn hate that Bro. She's one of the best looking to post on here in a long while. I've had that done to me only once so far, it sucks being led along like that, then all communication stops
[QUOTE=DHarry007;1836325]I saw her a couple of times a few months ago. She's legit- one of the originals from the 8th Ave scene years ago if you were around for that. She was very cautious, decent massage with HE. I have a feeling there's more on the menu, but YMMV. She's definitely got bad girl potential![/QUOTE]What was the name on the place? If she was a parlor day girl there is definitely more to be had, lots more. LOL
[QUOTE=Fever; 1834995]I haven't been around much lately, but I have been periodically looking through here for reviews, so I wanted to contribute. I saw Brandi last night. Not generally my type, but I was having a heck of a time getting a companion on the phone, so I took a shot. She's a nice girl, in a decent hotel between Nashville and M'boro and she said she's a regular in the area. She was with a friend (she said it was her sister. I never saw her as she was 'taking a bath'). They smoke in the room, but not while I was there and it wasn't too smoke-stinky. She is at least as round as her pics suggest, maybe more-so, so if that's not your thing, look elsewhere. If it is though, she's got nice boobs and in general, I thought she was attractive. I'm not one to go into specifics, but I will see her again. Trusted members can PM me for detail.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/5070100-the-right-choice-g-u-a-a-n-t-d-treat-urself-youll-love-me-21/8557588[/url]
On a side note, I think this.
[url]http://nashville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/come-n-get-u-some-freaky-friday-late-night-special-so-dam-sexy-24/7904031[/url]
Might be her 'sister. ' they seem to post at the same time, and list the same location. Does anyone have any info? I'd love to see her as well.
Thanks![/QUOTE]The second one is a pornstar I believe. There are lots of post about her in earlier threads. Sorry pics are fake