"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JimRob;3254473]I think the sb are not for me. I don't like get caught up with emotions to get played and hurt. At least with pros we know what's up. I just had to vent. Monger out.[/QUOTE]Glad you came to that conclusion on your own! Lots of guys "think" they want something on-going, but are not able to separate sex from love and catch feelings. So if this is you, then another style of monger might be a better fit. Good to recognize that before serious trouble found you! Always remember Rule #1 of Mongering: NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH A GIRL (SB, SW, Escort, UTR, etc).

Good move! Stay safe!

[QUOTE=JimRob;3254473]I've met enough SB to understand how full of shit they are. After we meet and fuck and come to an arrangement they lie to me and say I only want to see you. Why do they play these games. Be honest if you want to see several other SD. I would see someone and be asked why are you still on the website if we fucked and have an arrangement, I don't want to see guys that see multiple people. My last sb I met I liked so much actually quit the website same day and she did the same, but 3 days later I got the feeling she's a bullshitter and reactived my membership to see her account restored and back online. Yes I let this one hurt me because I was dumb and trusted her and felt something that could be long term. She even was like you don't need to pay me every time and wow was I stupid.

I think the sb are not for me. I don't like get caught up with emotions to get played and hurt. At least with pros we know what's up. I just had to vent. Monger out.[/QUOTE]Sorry for your difficulty. You do bring up an interesting point about using SA - whether you or she is active on the site or not. I had a long-term SB who was exclusive, and she really was, and she deactivated. I needed to use the site to find girls when traveling so I was very very careful about being on when I knew she couldn't be, if she did happen to log on. I subsequently realized I didn't need to worry, all I really needed to do was block her. A person can't tell if your profile doesn't appear b / c you have deactivated or blocked them. Of course, that works the other way around. Girls sometimes have bowl buddies who they can get to log onto the site and check up on SDs, and we could do the same. My current 22 YO ongoing SB was deactivated the last time I checked (I save a PDF copy of her profile just in case that would ever come in handy), but in an abundance of caution, I also blocked her.

I would use getting off the site as a negotiating point for sugar. If a girl asks for more than what I want to pay but what I could actually afford, a negotiating ploy at least would be 'OK, I'll give you that only if you deactivate your profile. '.

How did you do it. I cannot get it to go thru.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3199038]It seems like SA has FINALLY found the key to the castle on prepaid cards. I just renewed my membership with a OneVanilla Prepaid Visa Debit card. They now have a checkbox down at the bottom of the payment window that you are using a prepaid debit card, and my charge for a 1-month renewal went right through. I have accumulated over 30 nice messages while traveling over the past 2 weeks with no membership or access. We'll see if they turn into anything great.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GolfMan57;3254530]How did you do it. I cannot get it to go thru.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Mine went through without a hitch. Just make sure you check the box that says this is a prepaid card. It's a little box and I would've missed it if FarFarAway hadn't mentioned it.

[QUOTE=JimRob;3254473]I've met enough SB to understand how full of shit they are. After we meet and fuck and come to an arrangement they lie to me and say I only want to see you. Why do they play these games. Be honest if you want to see several other SD. I would see someone and be asked why are you still on the website if we fucked and have an arrangement, I don't want to see guys that see multiple people. My last sb I met I liked so much actually quit the website same day and she did the same, but 3 days later I got the feeling she's a bullshitter and reactived my membership to see her account restored and back online. Yes I let this one hurt me because I was dumb and trusted her and felt something that could be long term. She even was like you don't need to pay me every time and wow was I stupid.

I think the sb are not for me. I don't like get caught up with emotions to get played and hurt. At least with pros we know what's up. I just had to vent. Monger out.[/QUOTE]If you are having this problem that soon after meeting someone you need to step back and take a look at urself. You have to remember most are here for financial help, not a boyfriend. Also unless your fullfilling her financial need be prepared for them to be that utr girl. Sadly these girls find how easy it is then get greedy thinking they can rotate guys the way guys do the girls. If your wanting a relationship go back to civy girls. Plenty of them wanting a relationship.

Hey! Short time lurker and I found this thread about a week ago! Thank you! I've read about 70 pages and I'm all set up. I got a premium account on SA and can't believe it. Beauties everywhere. What I was wondering is what the experienced one would consider the breakdowns of "Negotiable" ladies into the other categories. I'm focused on the "minimal" ladies now. If they pan out, just damn. I may try "Negotiable" later. But what is the likelyhood of finding ladies wanting numbers is each stated ranges (minimal, practical, etc.) I'm sure it depends on location etc. But when I start messaging them, what should I expect?

Made my first dip into the bowl today. Chatted with several. Still navigating but will see where it goes.

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3255300]Hey! Short time lurker and I found this thread about a week ago! Thank you! I've read about 70 pages and I'm all set up. I got a premium account on SA and can't believe it. Beauties everywhere. What I was wondering is what the experienced one would consider the breakdowns of "Negotiable" ladies into the other categories. I'm focused on the "minimal" ladies now. If they pan out, just damn. I may try "Negotiable" later. But what is the likelyhood of finding ladies wanting numbers is each stated ranges (minimal, practical, etc.) I'm sure it depends on location etc. But when I start messaging them, what should I expect?[/QUOTE]Most of these girls have know idea what the categories are. They list it because it sounds good. Most are open to negotiation and the ones set in price take no offense to, just move on. There are plenty in your range to chose from.

It's really hard to say and depends on your location and if you are talking per visit or per week / month. Etc.

$200 per visit seems to be pretty standard. If you have game and charm you may be able to go to $100 while some big ballers go $500 per visit.

I've found negotiable girls are often more flexible than minimal. Minimal is often either platonic only or pros looking for one time meets per month in the $200 to $800 range.

These girls are all individuals and there are no clear guidelimes. Many younger girls have no understanding of the value of a $ and pick an "expectation" value with limited thought. Other girls, browse boards and forums and share notes with other girls who tell them stories of big spenders and luxurious lifestyles that are mostly made up. And they share horror stories of "Splenda" and "Salt" Daddies.

Bottom line, practice and think with the abundance theory. If you lose one there's always another. It most areas, there are 4-6 active SB per active SD, so you have the negotiating power!

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3255300]Hey! Short time lurker and I found this thread about a week ago! Thank you! I've read about 70 pages and I'm all set up. I got a premium account on SA and can't believe it. Beauties everywhere. What I was wondering is what the experienced one would consider the breakdowns of "Negotiable" ladies into the other categories. I'm focused on the "minimal" ladies now. If they pan out, just damn. I may try "Negotiable" later. But what is the likelyhood of finding ladies wanting numbers is each stated ranges (minimal, practical, etc.) I'm sure it depends on location etc. But when I start messaging them, what should I expect?[/QUOTE]

I described InlandRed a while back in the LA thread. Foreign spinner, auburn hair, blue eyes, a real beauty, 30-something horny housewife. First time FC last week, was definitely a keeper. She stripped to cute, fancy bra / panties, and so hot. Anything / anyplace I touched, she just started writhing / twitching. I've never seen anything like it. She's just so sensitive. I was worried I was doing too much, so I asked, and she just said 'I'll tell you if you're hurting me'. She was keeping her legs squeezed together, and I found out why when I just laid my hand on her pussy. It was like she exploded, writhing/jerking all over the place. I think I have a pretty good game but I hardly did anything to her and she's going wild / getting incredibly wet. Just amazing. Anybody have one like this? What do I do with her other than enjoy?

Something else kind of interesting. She's laying on top of me and squeezes my dick between her thighs, the shaft pushed right up against her pussy. She starts riding that and really gets into it. We switched and did the same w / me on top. Sort of like Russian, but she's very flat-chested so that's no-go w/ her. Believe me, I'm not bragging about size here, this works b / c she is very slender. After, we had a good 25 minutes of strong hard fucking w / a few rest breaks and I finally blew on top. She said all the nice stuff she's supposed to say, she was surprised/pleased I'm this great, etc.,etc., whatever.

In the FC today w / my regular OCHottie. We really connect sexually, so that's not notable. We've had trouble scheduling so she's to the good on allowance. I asked her what we should do about it, and she said the three little words every SD loves to hear: 'whatever you want'.

Makes sense. Thanks. There are some smoking hot ladies on there that I could not fathom 1 k a month but if it's only 2 visits, it makes sense.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3255593]It's really hard to say and depends on your location and if you are talking per visit or per week / month. Etc.

$200 per visit seems to be pretty standard. If you have game and charm you may be able to go to $100 while some big ballers go $500 per visit.

I've found negotiable girls are often more flexible than minimal. Minimal is often either platonic only or pros looking for one time meets per month in the $200 to $800 range.

These girls are all individuals and there are no clear guidelimes. Many younger girls have no understanding of the value of a $ and pick an "expectation" value with limited thought. Other girls, browse boards and forums and share notes with other girls who tell them stories of big spenders and luxurious lifestyles that are mostly made up. And they share horror stories of "Splenda" and "Salt" Daddies.

Bottom line, practice and think with the abundance theory. If you lose one there's always another. It most areas, there are 4-6 active SB per active SD, so you have the negotiating power![/QUOTE]

My best experiences have been with women who had minimal or negotiable expectations. They were absolute freaks and were clearly more about the experience than the sugar. I had two stunning women that both agreed to spend two full days with me for $200/ day. Both had done paid modeling gigs. Many incredible trips to the FC.

If it didn't happen to me. I wouldn't believe it. Many "Dear Penthouse" type stories. Now. I know many of those stories could have been true! LOL.

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3256262]Makes sense. Thanks. There are some smoking hot ladies on there that I could not fathom 1 k a month but if it's only 2 visits, it makes sense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3253924]Getting a hotel w / o leaving a paper trail for the SO to find is tough. I thought I had a solution w / a local midprice chain. Their website said they would accept a $100 cash deposit or a credit card, so I booked it for the FC (giving a number for a prepaid debit card) and they even gave me early 1 pm check-in. Great b / c the baby in question, InlandRed I'll post separately about, is married and has to leave for home by 4 pm. That much more time together. When I get to the no-tell, however, not only do they want that cash deposit, they want the room charge in cash up front. I didn't take that into account and had only the room charge (essentially the same as the deposit) and the sugar. I proposed using a debit card, which they would do, but they wouldn't take a prepaid, it had to be a debit card w / my name on it. Damn! I stole $100 from the sugar and got the room. Then they require making a copy of my DL so they can know they are only giving the deposit back to the right person. Needless to say, I booked the room under a sugar name (a slight misspelling of my real name, and a different address totally), relying on the fact that the clerk only glanced at my DL to verify the picture was me and the name was about right. However, their having my real DL wasn't making me happy. On departing I asked if they would shred it b / c of concerns about identity theft.[/QUOTE]I have run into that problem, too. What I have taken to doing is reserving a room with a prepaid gift card. I usually meet in the morning, so there is an issue about early check-in, so I typically reserve at two or three places, being limited obviously to those places that allow cancellations up until the afternoon / evening of the reservation. I then call in the morning and ask if I can get an early check in and go to the first place that says yes and cancel the remaining reservations. (Unfortunately, a lot of places require cancellation the day before, so they are out). When I check in, I pay cash, but I give them a valid credit card for the deposit. It's a card that's just mine, so my wife generally won't see the bill, but unless something goes wrong, there won't be a charge to the card anyway. There's some risk involved since I use my real name, but I think it's minimal. I don't want to leave the deposit in cash, because I usually leave the hotel a few hours after I get there and feel awkward going back and asking for the deposit back having not yet spent the night. (I could go back the next morning, check out, and reclaim the deposit, but that seems like way too much trouble, especially when the room is fairly far away from where I live / work.).

By the way, my user name may show that I'm a complete newbie, but I recently changed my user name because I had foolishly made it something very similar to the name I use on some other sites. I don't think my old posts have yet been associated with my new name (not that I was a very frequent poster).

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3257106]My best experiences have been with women who had minimal or negotiable expectations. They were absolute freaks and were clearly more about the experience than the sugar. I had two stunning women that both agreed to spend two full days with me for $200/ day. Both had done paid modeling gigs. Many incredible trips to the FC.

If it didn't happen to me. I wouldn't believe it. Many "Dear Penthouse" type stories. Now. I know many of those stories could have been true! LOL.[/QUOTE]Good to know. My problem is I like black / mixed spinners. I have learned that if in doubt, it's a tranny. But there are fabulous ladies on there.

I don't feel comfortable talking about the FC or contribution before the first MnG. Some girls ask about about the contribution right when they get my number. One of the best looking spinners with hug naturals went ballistic when I said let's talk at the MnG. She said she hates guys like me. She's to busy to waiste her time. Etc. It seems about 50/50. I've read many stories of awesome times with girls who never asked.

Thought?