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[QUOTE=LocaLoppa;4778761]Rita do BBBJ and CFS? MSOG? CIM?
Do all the girls offer BBBJ and cfs here? PM if its secret.
Mahalo.[/QUOTE][URL]https://cityxguide.photo/ads/skye-young-perfect-spice-sexy-young-anna-white-gfe-blond-nicolen-gfe-l-12699817[/URL]
Their ads are pretty straight forward on who does what service.
I'm not a lawyer, but I do know something about bird law.
That being said, I found this 2001 article from the New York Times about gambling on ships (Hawaii Still Resists Cruise Ship Gambling [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/travel/travel-advisory-correspondent-s-report-hawaii-still-resists-cruise-ship-gambling.html?searchResultPosition=1[/URL]) (Cited in the Wikipedia article about gambling ships, but the Wikipedia entry was so badly written it wasn't worth linking to.).
[QUOTE]The most recent such law, passed in December, prohibits cruise ships with casinos from starting and ending cruises in Hawaii.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Once the prohibition was passed, the SuperStar Leo could still visit Kiribati, but it could neither leave from nor return to Hawaii unless it got rid of its casino.[/QUOTE]
So, a large scale brothel operation probably wouldn't fly because they'd probably copy-and-paste a new law, replacing gambling with "human trafficking". And most of those rooms on cruise ships are TINY. Like less than a 100 square feet.
I suppose you could go with a smaller scale operation, but chartering a fishing boat or a yacht is pretty expensive. You will not be getting away with a $50 HF.
If you owned your own boat, you could do an outcall if the girl trusted you. But again, that seems like a pretty pricey solution.
[QUOTE=Blake123;4779621]Anything beyond 12 nautical miles is outside of U.S. jurisdiction.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4780266]I'm not a lawyer, but I do know something about bird law.
That being said, I found this 2001 article from the New York Times about gambling on ships (Hawaii Still Resists Cruise Ship Gambling [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/travel/travel-advisory-correspondent-s-report-hawaii-still-resists-cruise-ship-gambling.html?searchResultPosition=1[/URL]) (Cited in the Wikipedia article about gambling ships, but the Wikipedia entry was so badly written it wasn't worth linking to.).
So, a large scale brothel operation probably wouldn't fly because they'd probably copy-and-paste a new law, replacing gambling with "human trafficking". And most of those rooms on cruise ships are TINY. Like less than a 100 square feet.
I suppose you could go with a smaller scale operation, but chartering a fishing boat or a yacht is pretty expensive. You will not be getting away with a $50 HF.
If you owned your own boat, you could do an outcall if the girl trusted you. But again, that seems like a pretty pricey solution.[/QUOTE]Thailand government announced their economy that hugely rely on tourism will not be the same in two years. It will take at least two years ONLY IF tourists can go back to pre-virus life with extra money for tourism. Hawaii may be on the same boat.
No money no honey.
And a few who plan to come to hawaii decided they will reject anyone (though he is so influential in this biz) that ask kiss, bb service and table shower. And some will change their way into more mainland style. Less tip but shorter time-more protective way.
And no mamasan. All will be like chichis way, american style.
Some matured superstars will retire.
There will be a few in their 30's and early 40's (relatively safe age for coronavirus) to come back soon. But they may be quite picky. Will choose younger guys that prefer lower tip instead of short boom boom and safe play.
[QUOTE=Ajarn;4779219]Seems like the LE weren't deluded by the shop's name. It was searched (good that they didn't say raided like usual) yesterday. Strange that the reason given was suspicion that it was running a [URL=https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/healthy-angel-massage-parlor-searched/][B] brothel[/B][/URL], not that it was open and doing business.
Are massage shops allowed now to operate openly as a person-to-person business?[/QUOTE]Was the doc there?
[QUOTE=FleshPrince;4780344]Was the doc there?[/QUOTE]Only far east boomer women can be patient with grade a narcissist.
Younger girls can not.
You can guess whether he.
AMPs outside cc will keep business not for profit but for rental contract.
So owners will not ask force girls (if any come back) to do this not do that.
Most AMPs will voluntarily close soon. Too much risk and with legal license, they must take all risk of health issue whenever virus spike again, which I bet 2nd 3rd wave will come.
Norvana, rose, oska, VIP all monthly rental is more than 13 k. No way to earn that with virus outbreak. Bluestar and happiness maybe 7-8 k a month. If Korean baby boomer pros not come back, not easy to make it.
For years our choice will be cc (half half system. So hf-tip total girl and get half half. So when you pay 300, a girl will go for FS getting 150. You paid 200? She gets only 100) or small amount of indies or retired AMP girls's special offer of outcall.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
Women will come in to fill that void because there's money to be made. Maybe they're been laid off and need the money. Maybe they're already working girls, and they figure basing themselves here is as good a place as anywhere. Maybe they're college grads and literally facing the worst job market ever.
But I think the days of $Tip + HF are coming to an end, if they're not dead. And seriously, this was long overdue. $200 buys you a smile and kind word anywhere else in the country, and yeah, I know, people are going to go on about how much more expensive everything else is here, but did you really those rates are sustainable?
On one hand, the guys admonish anyone who pays more than $200, even to indies. OTOH, they complain about the same women working in the AMPs, and why aren't there more younger women here and so on.
If you're someone complaining about that, you know that the reason why so few young hot chicks are working in these AMPs is because they're in cities like LA, NYC and everywhere inbetween, where they can make more for doing less. Trust me, they are not doing BBFSCIP for $200.
[QUOTE=ClaraForever;4780308]Thailand government announced their economy that hugely rely on tourism will not be the same in two years. It will take at least two years ONLY IF tourists can go back to pre-virus life with extra money for tourism. Hawaii may be on the same boat.
No money no honey.
And a few who plan to come to hawaii decided they will reject anyone (though he is so influential in this biz) that ask kiss, bb service and table shower. And some will change their way into more mainland style. Less tip but shorter time-more protective way.
And no mamasan. All will be like chichis way, american style.
Some matured superstars will retire.
There will be a few in their 30's and early 40's (relatively safe age for coronavirus) to come back soon. But they may be quite picky. Will choose younger guys that prefer lower tip instead of short boom boom and safe play.[/QUOTE]
Enough with the Nostradamus shit, keep it to reports ffs.
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4781955]Nature abhors a vacuum.
Women will come in to fill that void because there's money to be made. Maybe they're been laid off and need the money. Maybe they're already working girls, and they figure basing themselves here is as good a place as anywhere. Maybe they're college grads and literally facing the worst job market ever.
But I think the days of $Tip + HF are coming to an end, if they're not dead. And seriously, this was long overdue. $200 buys you a smile and kind word anywhere else in the country, and yeah, I know, people are going to go on about how much more expensive everything else is here, but did you really those rates are sustainable?
On one hand, the guys admonish anyone who pays more than $200, even to indies. OTOH, they complain about the same women working in the AMPs, and why aren't there more younger women here and so on.
If you're someone complaining about that, you know that the reason why so few young hot chicks are working in these AMPs is because they're in cities like LA, NYC and everywhere in between, where they can make more for doing less. Trust me, they are not doing BBFSCIP for $200.[/QUOTE]If the price rate is just like NY, bunch of 20 something model-level girls (Asian, white, black all) will eager to come here.
(I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex).
When many of old AMP girls don't repeat coming saying Hawaii scene is too cheap and too difficult to manage, who will come?
There was one big privilege here before. No harsh raid as many of mainland government does. Putting all people into detention center first and indict first. Or sending them into ice detention center first. Later girls will find their mug shot with prostitute record when they google their name and area.
Still get pussy for two bucks, been for decades, and will continue. Easy two bucks, grand a day for ladies. Get plenty bros still fucking pros today, girls busy.
(*I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex). *.
Such a Valid point.
I guess if I put some effort into my game, I could have a fairly good success rate with tourist chicks.
But that being said, I've always looked at paying for it as something like the Konami code in video games. Unlocks all kinds of pussy for the minimum amount of effort. And yeah, I'm paying for it, but if you're a guy you're always paying for it.
The one benefit of paying for it, over working for it, is that you can get exactly what you want.
[QUOTE=ToniMulato;4783078](*I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex). *.
Such a Valid point.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4783312]I guess if I put some effort into my game, I could have a fairly good success rate with tourist chicks.
But that being said, I've always looked at paying for it as something like the Konami code in video games. Unlocks all kinds of pussy for the minimum amount of effort. And yeah, I'm paying for it, but if you're a guy you're always paying for it.
The one benefit of paying for it, over working for it, is that you can get exactly what you want.[/QUOTE]I learned the hard way but now.
If it flies, floats or f. , rent it.
[QUOTE=Blake123;4779621]Anything beyond 12 nautical miles is outside of U.S. jurisdiction.[/QUOTE]Any boat with a USA Country of origin is subject to US law no matter how far you go. 12 miles or 1200 miles off coast you get caught arranging large scale prostition and you are going to US jail.
Now if you have a boat registered in the Netherlands and you are 12 miles off coast of hawaii you can fill that boat with as many hookers, johns, drugs and $ as you want.
Many years ago I had a contact in Japan working in buy me drinky bar and floated the idea of a luxury bang boat fishing tour here. Went as far as to hire a lawyer to draw up agreement with yacht owner in Mexico. Owner backed out last minute. Would have been a fun business to try and start.
If any of you know a foreign yacht owner with at least 6 cabins I would be interested in giving it another go. Open to partnership.
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4781955]If you're someone complaining about that, you know that the reason why so few young hot chicks are working in these AMPs is because they're in cities like LA, NYC and everywhere inbetween, where they can make more for doing less. Trust me, they are not doing BBFSCIP for $200.[/QUOTE]Somehow the subject of the dearth of young providers in 808 came up while I was with one of the younger AMP all-stars. She said they're plenty of young providers on the mainland, but they're reluctant to come here because they've heard of Hawaii's reputation. And that is the guys here expect (demand) too much, like Greek trips, BBFS, et. There was no mention of money.
I have no experience on the mainland but my guess is that anyone coming here knows what market price to expect, that the cost of living is high and wages are low.
Do young performers on the mainland include bbfscip regularly in their act?
$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.
Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.
[QUOTE=ClaraForever;4782150]If the price rate is just like NY, bunch of 20 something model-level girls (Asian, white, black all) will eager to come here.
(I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex).
When many of old AMP girls don't repeat coming saying Hawaii scene is too cheap and too difficult to manage, who will come?
There was one big privilege here before. No harsh raid as many of mainland government does. Putting all people into detention center first and indict first. Or sending them into ice detention center first. Later girls will find their mug shot with prostitute record when they google their name and area.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ajarn;4783657]
Do young performers on the mainland include bbfscip regularly in their act?[/QUOTE]No, not even at the $500 and $600 level.
[QUOTE=Incogfilipino;4784523]No, not even at the $500 and $600 level.[/QUOTE]In the Bay Area some Chinese providers would do that for for a little bit more.
160 for msog.
Koreans rates 200-250.
[QUOTE=LocaLoppa;4783777]$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.
Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.[/QUOTE]AMP is like small cruiseship inside.
Confined spaces and no natural ventilation. Air conditioner, heater can be perfect method to spread virus.
If AMP must empty used room for 3 hr (virus will run away if that space have big windows after 3 hrs), much less profit.
And do you think workers really use protecting tools with new customers for regular old mongers?
South Korea has second spike from night clubs.
Singapore from foreign workers residential that scarily look like AMP inside.
Again covid 19 is not hurting young ones under 55 that much.
This lock down is bs forcing young generation into bankruptcy to make baby boomers (who enjoyed all happy youth time in prosperous era) last their greedy old breath.
When old one who will get pension giggle young hotties will come to prostitution owing to recession, do not expect young kids will take this bs lock down only to make oldies safer.
Has anyone gone to CC in the last 2 weeks? A friend of mine lives in the CC and says there alot of guys downstairs now that looks like undercover cops not sure how he knows what undercover cops look like but he did tell me the guy at the front desk told him he did see 3 guys out of uniform cuffing someone and walking him to a police car. Just was wondering if anyone went if they saw guys just sitting down or standing around watching who gets into elevator.
Your fundamental error is that you're looking at this strictly through the lens of a consumer. But you're not looking at it through the lens of the someone who's on the supply end.
You're working under the assumption that all women in this line of work want to line up back-to-back appointments for eight hours straight and be available on call 24/7. Or that the Honolulu market is like the NYC market. They don't and they aren't.
The NYC market favors overnighters. A typical girl in the NYC charges $2. 5 K to $6 K for an 8- to 10-hour overnighter. She gets fed at a nice restaurant, gets taken to a nice hotel, probably gets room service before the appointment ends for breakfast. Plus she's tipped (yep, that $2. 5 K to $6 K was just the going rate, not the "tip".) I'd be very surprised if she did BBFS or greek.
Same girl tours in Vegas. The Vegas market favors dinner dates that run 3 to 4 hours. And yes, those dates have to include a meal in a restaurant. Typical cost for these dates range from $600 to $900. Again, she gets taken to a nice restaurant, outcall to a nice casino on the strip or off-strip.
Same girl comes to the Honolulu market. She has to deal with guys who want to fuck her bareback and up the ass. Plus, if she's on premises at the AMP, she's waking up every hour for some lineup that a drunk guy who's just stumbled in from the strip clubs or wherever at oh-dark-thirty.
So let's assume the girl at the AMP in Honolulu books eight hours a day. That's $1,200 (for $150/hr for 8 hours). Let's say those eight hours are booked with guys who frequent this site and fuck her the way they write about. Well, her pussy's banged up, bruised and seriously, her pussy needs to be iced down. Probably her ass too. That is seriously a thing for girls that do marathon hard fuckings. She's also not going to be in any shape to fuck the next day, at the very least. So averaged out over time, she's making less upfront and less over time because she has to take time off to work because of "volume".
And even if she isn't fucking back-to-back local equivalents of Rocco Siffredi, the consensus seems to be that the guys here fuck hard. Lots of wear and tear for not much money.
Also, take into account that according to many of the anecdotal reports here, much of the more recognizable AMP girls didn't live here. They either came back and forth between Asia or the mainland US. If the money was that good in the "volume" end of the equation, they'd want to be as close to all that income as frequently as possible.
Meanwhile, in NYC, the same girl's made $2. 5 K to $6 K for maybe a few hours of actual fucking, in Vegas maybe an hour or two of actual fucking, and she's in good shape to do it again the next day. She has time for herself, to go to the gym and make sure she's taking care of herself and her body. She is not dealing in "volume".
I can sell a burger for $36 in NYC or $12 in Hawaii. But I only have one burger. Where am I going to sell that burger? NYC, of course. Only instead of "burgers" these women sell time. There's only 24 hours that they can sell, and they can't sell all 24 hours. Also, the time of a young good-looking Asian woman is a very finite resource.
A young, good-looking 18-to-20-something woman of East Asian heritage can basically write her own ticket in the porn industry because they're in that much demand and they generate that much business. White boys LOVE asian women. This is true for providers in NYC, this is true in LA, this is true in Vegas, this is true in Dallas, this is true in Kansas City and so on. They are not for wont for someplace to sell their pussy, (To be fair, this is true of any young, good-looking woman in this game.).
If the only consideration was volume, we'd be up to our assholes in young Asian women lining up to work in the AMPs. They wouldn't just be from Korea and China, they'd be Asian girls born in the US, and even local girls. But there aren't. Because this isn't just a game of how many guys you can bang in a day, this is a game how much money you can make. Anyone would make more money with less effort instead of making less money for more effort. And Hawaii is on the "less money, more effort" end of that graph.
So why did they come to Hawaii? As others have pointed out, law enforcement was fairly laissez-faire. Everyone knew what the AMPs were, everyone knew what happened in the AMPs, but no one cared. You could essentially have a nice working vacation if you came out here. Also, don't discount the tourist traffic. I'm sure they aren't paying HF+tip.
What changed? Who knows. "Human trafficking" grants, probably, as the war on human trafficking seems to be the new war on drugs.
But COVID-19 is a real thing. It's going to be an extinction-level event for small businesses, and AMPs are really small businesses. Unemployment here is the highest in the country. Tourism isn't going to come back soon.
That is why the sex industry is about to collapse here. It was not because the money was good. It was not because they liked the guys in Hawaii in particular. It's because the policy pulled the only leg out from why a girl would come here (a place they could work with little worry about being thrown in jail) and the virus killed off disposable income here.
You pay more, you get get more. More younger younger girls, more service, more girls to choose from, period. You might not want to pay NYC prices for a burger, but NYC will pay those prices. Honolulu currently has about 477,092 males. The greater NYC area has about 9. 3 million men. Even if you take into account that only a percentage of that population sees hookers, it's way more than Honolulu. And if you take into account the number of people out that population making more than, let's say, $300 K a year, you're still coming out ahead of of the monger population here. So if you wanted to play the volume game, Hawaii would still come out way, way behind.
[QUOTE=LocaLoppa;4783777]$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.
Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.[/QUOTE]
Your fundamental error is that you're looking at this strictly through the lens of a consumer. But you're not looking at it through the lens of the someone who's on the supply end.
You're working under the assumption that all women in this line of work want to line up back-to-back appointments for eight hours straight and be available on call 24/7. Or that the Honolulu market is like the NYC market. They don't and they aren't.
The NYC market favors overnighters. A typical girl in the NYC charges $2. 5 K to $6 K for an 8- to 10-hour overnighter. She gets fed at a nice restaurant, gets taken to a nice hotel, probably gets room service before the appointment ends for breakfast. Plus she's tipped (yep, that $2. 5 K to $6 K was just the going rate, not the "tip".) I'd be very surprised if she did BBFS or greek.
I think you are only talking the high end market -.
They have AMPs in new york as well -.
A unicorn named Sami that I met at blue star was from NYC.
The AMPs there are a little more - 300 will do it.
$300 is still more than the guys here are willing to pay.
And in all seriousness, how long do unicorns last? Either they get wise to the fact that they could charge more or they burn out.
[QUOTE=PointDexterJr;4784751]
I think you are only talking the high end market -.
They have AMPs in new york as well -.
A unicorn named Sami that I met at blue star was from NYC.
The AMPs there are a little more - 300 will do it.[/QUOTE]
Also, if you look at the level of service these guys want in the APMs here (GFE, DFK, BBBJ, rimming, BBFSCIP, Greek) and that preferably they're young women and well-put together, we are pretty much talking about what would be the high end of the market anywhere else.
[QUOTE=PointDexterJr;4784751]I think you are only talking the high end market -.
They have AMPs in new york as well -.
A unicorn named Sami that I met at blue star was from NYC.
The AMPs there are a little more - 300 will do it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4784758]$300 is still more than the guys here are willing to pay.
And in all seriousness, how long do unicorns last? Either they get wise to the fact that they could charge more or they burn out.[/QUOTE]Guys get temporary Hawaiian airline's 250 dollars economy comfort special deal from Honolulu to NY.
That is just a very special event.
But they believe they are so special and want more more more.
Finally they want 300 dollars special USA-Dubai emirate business special.
Here are some other reasons why the young Asian providers used to come to HI. I guess it's ok to use names now cause the all-stars are history. I asked Sugar why she didn't work in LV, since she lived there, instead of having to come all the way out here. She wasn't here because she liked living here. She said her BF played in the AMP game and it would be too easy to bump into someone she knew if she worked at an AMP in LV.
One of the stars at a CC AMP once told me that she's on rotation. She spends 2 weeks at a location, then is posted to the next worksite. This is the Chinese circuit. Perhaps they want the girls to keep moving around. This made sense cause many of these PRC girls didn't stay long, and they seemed to be managed by someone. They don't come here by choice.
Another possible reason that I conjectured up by myself is that there are more AAs here, and maybe AAs are more easily satisfied. Could be the providers also like having more AA customers. Over in Southeast Asia, the SYTs now have eyes only for Asians. Westerners are completely ignored.
[QUOTE=DaViper;4784636]Has anyone gone to CC in the last 2 weeks? A friend of mine lives in the CC and says there alot of guys downstairs now that looks like undercover cops not sure how he knows what undercover cops look like but he did tell me the guy at the front desk told him he did see 3 guys out of uniform cuffing someone and walking him to a police car. Just was wondering if anyone went if they saw guys just sitting down or standing around watching who gets into elevator.[/QUOTE]Lots of shady shit goes down in that place, aside from massage parlors.
Case in point: HPD chief: Officers were executing search warrant before fatal shooting ([URL]https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/39134273/suspect-reportedly-killed-after-police-shooting-in-mccully/[/URL]).
That being said, a condo in CC goes for pretty cheap (at least from what I saw on a Zillow listing). I don't know if it's because of the perception of the crime in the building or because it's lease hold. In any case, if you're serious about mongering, why not live there?
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4784784]Also, if you look at the level of service these guys want in the APMs here (GFE, DFK, BBBJ, rimming, BBFSCIP, Greek) and that preferably they're young women and well-put together, we are pretty much talking about what would be the high end of the market anywhere else.[/QUOTE]I'm an old timer, so I do remember the days 15 plus years ago of Dragon Massage, and other AMP's I visited in SF, Austin, TX. Even Vegas, Where the cutie Chinese, Korean pies were already charging $200-250.For just conventional protected sex.
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4785063]Lots of shady shit goes down in that place, aside from massage parlors.
Case in point: HPD chief: Officers were executing search warrant before fatal shooting ([URL]https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/39134273/suspect-reportedly-killed-after-police-shooting-in-mccully/[/URL]).
That being said, a condo in CC goes for pretty cheap (at least from what I saw on a Zillow listing). I don't know if it's because of the perception of the crime in the building or because it's lease hold. In any case, if you're serious about mongering, why not live there?[/QUOTE]Someone post a news about this unit.
Louis kealoha, his wife, her fireman boyfriend, his attoreny Jason (he lost license).
Attorney's ex gf is AMP owner and used attorney's office phone number for AMP. So if google it, two office: brothel business and criminal defense attorney office. Then a stolen gun in AMP.
Interesting story.
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4785063]Lots of shady shit goes down in that place, aside from massage parlors.
Case in point: HPD chief: Officers were executing search warrant before fatal shooting ([URL]https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/39134273/suspect-reportedly-killed-after-police-shooting-in-mccully/[/URL]).
That being said, a condo in CC goes for pretty cheap (at least from what I saw on a Zillow listing). I don't know if it's because of the perception of the crime in the building or because it's lease hold. In any case, if you're serious about mongering, why not live there?[/QUOTE]The problem is that building is leasehold so prices for units are low it sucks if you are trying to sell.
[QUOTE=ClaraForever;4784600]
Again covid 19 is not hurting young ones under 55 that much.
This lock down is bs forcing young generation into bankruptcy to make baby boomers (who enjoyed all happy youth time in prosperous era) last their greedy old breath.[/QUOTE]You sound like a selfish.
[QUOTE=LocaLoppa;4783777]$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.
Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.[/QUOTE]You can get a better than average burger at Shake Shack for 6 bucks in tourist heaven, Flatiron. Want to step is up to excellent 10 bucks at the Burger Joint at Le Parker Meridian a block from Central Park. You can get an outstanding Burger at most mid-scale places for 15 bucks.
AMPs in NYC have gone underground because of the last 2 Mayors. Sure you can go high price for some houses, especially in Manhattan, a short trek out to suburban Queen's and there is more Chinese pussy the same prices everyone here is used to. This was the prime ground Ivy brought in Chinese pussy from to begin with. Luxx, Wan, Rachel, Joy, Sugar and so many more came from there. And went back there. There are endless choices out there and you don't have to dig. You just have to know where to look and who to ask.
Mahalo bro for making me remember. Fucking recreational drugs fuck up your mind when you get old, LOL. Allegedly a very, very dark time in the AMP scene here with trafficking in full swing at Empire. I read the shit about the NY scene pretty brutal and you are right. Still paid $$$ for that burger there, LOL. My friends made big bucks triple my measly below poverty wages as the Star Bulletin pointed out earlier.
I bet you AMPs go back underground here--it was like that 30 years ago. Nadamoto should know better.
[QUOTE=MasterChief69;4785356]You can get a better than average burger at Shake Shack for 6 bucks in tourist heaven, Flatiron. Want to step is up to excellent 10 bucks at the Burger Joint at Le Parker Meridian a block from Central Park. You can get an outstanding Burger at most mid-scale places for 15 bucks.
AMPs in NYC have gone underground because of the last 2 Mayors. Sure you can go high price for some houses, especially in Manhattan, a short trek out to suburban Queen's and there is more Chinese pussy the same prices everyone here is used to. This was the prime ground Ivy brought in Chinese pussy from to begin with. Luxx, Wan, Rachel, Joy, Sugar and so many more came from there. And went back there. There are endless choices out there and you don't have to dig. You just have to know where to look and who to ask.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ajarn;4783657]Somehow the subject of the dearth of young providers in 808 came up while I was with one of the younger AMP all-stars. She said they're plenty of young providers on the mainland, but they're reluctant to come here because they've heard of Hawaii's reputation. And that is the guys here expect (demand) too much, like Greek trips, BBFS, et. There was no mention of money.
I have no experience on the mainland but my guess is that anyone coming here knows what market price to expect, that the cost of living is high and wages are low.
Do young performers on the mainland include bbfscip regularly in their act?[/QUOTE]Many do in Dallas. But there at bb paradise parlor, 50 is baby worker.
And Dallas is more hated by AMP girls.
In mainland rural area, matured Asian women in most time go protection. Guys there, most are married white guys want condom more than girls, even blow job.
[QUOTE=AlohaSoul;4786096]Many do in Dallas. But there at bb paradise parlor, 50 is baby worker.
And Dallas is more hated by AMP girls.
In mainland rural area, matured Asian women in most time go protection. Guys there, most are married white guys want condom more than girls, even blow job.[/QUOTE]I live in the 8x8 but my hidden gem is always Sacomento for AMP.
[QUOTE=DangerBoy;4785063]That being said, a condo in CC goes for pretty cheap (at least from what I saw on a Zillow listing). I don't know if it's because of the perception of the crime in the building or because it's lease hold. In any case, if you're serious about mongering, why not live there?[/QUOTE]The cheap listings are leasehold. Problem with leasehold is that the property depreciates rather than appreciating. The maintenance, A / C, and electricity charges in CC are ridiculously high too. Although I suppose it might be easier to arrange outcalls from one of the CC establishments if living there.
[QUOTE=LocaLoppa;4785829]Mahalo bro for making me remember. Fucking recreational drugs fuck up your mind when you get old, LOL. Allegedly a very, very dark time in the AMP scene here with trafficking in full swing at Empire. I read the shit about the NY scene pretty brutal and you are right. Still paid $$$ for that burger there, LOL. My friends made big bucks triple my measly below poverty wages as the Star Bulletin pointed out earlier.
I bet you AMPs go back underground here--it was like that 30 years ago. Nadamoto should know better.[/QUOTE]The AMPs are already underground. Ads mostly gone except for Indy's that the City stays away from and a select few. Reports? All the smart mongers are saying anything about what is out there. AMPs will go on. Will it be the same? No. The question is what will be different. The review game will certainly be different which means USASG for HNL will be different. It is going to hard to get a review on a girl before seeing her.
[QUOTE=Restless1728;4778311]Even though it was my first time with Rita she greeted me like a long time regular, uninhibited even before I began to take off my cloths. I love when they greet you with such enthusiasm! She did things that surprised me for a first encounter. The shower together with stand up body rub was nice. She loves to have her nipples played with, however when I asked to continue down she said "just a little bit" so I wasn't expecting much from her. I started slow and gentile so she wouldn't tell me to stop so soon. After a little while she started moving to where she liked it, up, down, on top. She really got into it, and ended with a scissor lock on my head while she was gyrating into my face; it was awesome! Her enthusiasm continued into gentile tit sucking in missionary until we had a together release that was so perfect! To top things off after she cleaned me up and went to the bathroom to wash, I went over to check some missed calls and texts. When I looked up she was back lying on the futon smiling at me making hand gesture to come lie next to her, so adorable! When you combine her enthusiasm and energy, I find her totally sexy and pretty![/QUOTE]Wow, you are a lucky guy (or charismatic). I had a session with her a little while ago and. It was I think, my second worst session with any provider.
She greeted me at the door and I asked if she was Rita and she said yes. She was a little taller than I expected, maybe 5'5". Not fat, but not thin either. Kind of straight up and down, small breasts. Above average neighbor look. She asked for payment up front, so I gave it. Then she hugged me and I thought "this is starting off okay", then proceeded to take off my shirt and then pointed me to the bathroom. She opens the shower curtain and prompts me inside, and then closes the curtain. No shower with me, not even the hint of an offer.
After the shower I see her playing with her phone, I guess it was to put on some music. Chinese music. Interesting. She dries me off on the mattress, and then asks me to flip over. She starts singing the Chinese song really loud? Okay, kinda weird. Then gives a little BBBJ. Takes out the hat, and I said not yet. I have her lay down and start to kiss her body a little, then her nipples. No reaction. Kiss a little more, then she starts belting out the Chinese song again. I feel like she is not into this at all.
Then I go for some daty. Boy, this must be a Bush lover's dream. It is pretty wild down there. Thick enough that it was a little difficult to find. I did find it though only for her to pretty much block me the entire time. She put her thighs up against my head so that I could just barely touch it if at all. Sorry, I am not Venom, I could not get in there. I tried for a while, and she even gave out a couple of fake sounds. I know it is fake because I could barely touch it. It took a while, but I finally gave up it was too frustrating having her thighs just pushing my face away.
Finally for the FS. Did the mish. I don't last long, and after a little while doing it I was getting a little bored because she was a dead fish. Yeah, I get it, I am not great at this, but she could try acting a *little*. Anyway since it was boring, I thought I'd try to make her do a little riding. I pulled out and, yeah, I did leak a little, but was saving the full thing for the riding. No go. She said "shower?" "hot towel?" I said no, I am not done yet. She proceeded to yank off the hat and point at it / At that point I gave up and any arousal was done. Just asked for a hot towel because there was not enough action to sweat. After she wipes me off, she gives me my clothes. Just around 40 min and I am basically kicked out the door.
Now, looking at her ad I see that it was a different experience than advertised.
[URL]https://cityxguide.com/escorts/courtesan-rita-long-legs-sensuous-gfe-fs-shower-together-super-service-39431715[/URL]
"She's she's a long legged beauty that is eager to please. Wonderful personality for the happiest GFE FS session".
"I can shower with you and pamper you from the beginning to the end. This is your time".
No shower with me, not even an offer. Nothing resembling a pampering, kind of seemed just involved with herself. Shorted time. And GFE? Uh, unless the girlfriend experience means a girlfriend you were with for 10 years who stopped loving you for the last 7 years, then no.
Anyway, not doubting your experience at all, but to others, if you are not charming like I am not, then your experience might be a pretty disappointing one.
2 out of 10.
Almost underground you are right. Wait till there are no ads, no phone numbers, no signs, no walk ins, screening and approval process. Social media will create rumours of course but that will be countered with fake news well orchestrated. Masses will not know what is going on at all, as if they never existed. Back to the 80's.
[QUOTE=MasterChief69;4789503]The AMPs are already underground. Ads mostly gone except for Indy's that the City stays away from and a select few. Reports? All the smart mongers are saying anything about what is out there. AMPs will go on. Will it be the same? No. The question is what will be different. The review game will certainly be different which means USASG for HNL will be different. It is going to hard to get a review on a girl before seeing her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MasterChief69;4789503]The AMPs are already underground. Ads mostly gone except for Indy's that the City stays away from and a select few. Reports? All the smart mongers are saying anything about what is out there. AMPs will go on. Will it be the same? No. The question is what will be different. The review game will certainly be different which means USASG for HNL will be different. It is going to hard to get a review on a girl before seeing her.[/QUOTE]Many that guys look for here have worked till lockdown.
Their regulars just did not write anything cause many girls asked them to report nothing. Since rejuve raid (popular girls but mamas and owners got targetted), girls and their special invitee both get more cautious to give info to random strangers.
And sanho raid really fueled the strategy of going underground.