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[QUOTE=UlieFacedown;3239151]LOL--In my opinion, yes, Son in-lawish. And further, I would totally roll with it![/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. Maybe we can get him to buy us dinner or a trip haha! I also secretly loved that she called him "some old guy", the implication being that I am not!
Life is good, my brothers!
Scott.
I had a 3 month SB last year, we still play occasionally. I have never given her a dime. Some hot **** gifts and toys, dinners. Etc yes. There have been many times when she busts out her baby daddy amex black card, pretty much any hotels involved when we've met up for weekend sexcapades.
[QUOTE=FScott;3239140]My Brothers,
A few months ago I started to notice that a baby I'd been seeing for over three years was acquiring some very stylish new furniture and electronic equipment, despite the fact that she is a grad student and works a part time job 25 hours a week. Being no idiot, I assumed that she had another SD or two on the line, which I have to be honest and say did not bother me. She and I have been seeing each other once a week on average, and the sex is still off the charts. In addition, we have as close, comfortable and as approximate a "real life" relationship that this sort of thing gets. I have true affection for her, and believe she feels the same for me. Plus, she lives about a mile from me, so meeting up at her place is laughably easy and convenient, and at this point the sugar is minimal and not always called for.
Fast forward to yesterday, when she proudly showed me her new 2 bedroom corner apartment on a high floor in her building with fantastic views of the park and lake! When I joked that she must have won the lottery, she blushed and admitted that she found "this old guy" to pay for it in exchange for watching her play with herself once a month while he chokes his own chicken. Apparently he is a total germaphobe, and doesn't even take his pants off for fear of catching something.
She then went on to say, and show me, how much fun she and I were going to have in the new place, all on this other guy's dime! So my question to you all is this: does this make me his SB as well, or something more like a Sugar Son-in-law?
The Bowl is nothing if not endlessly interesting.
Keep up the good work.
Scott.[/QUOTE]
Not to rain on your good fortune but I had a similar situation a few years back. I had an SB (massage therapist) I saw about once a week who found a much older SD who paid all her bills, bought her computers, etc. He had ED and just paid her to watch her play with herself and for him to DATY. And I think just for company as according to her he was lonely. It was all good for a long time and I benefitted from low sugar but she got used to no bills and then he upped the ante by telling her he wanted to watch us have sex (she obviously told him she had another SD or boyfriend) in order to continue the arrangement. I refused which pissed her off because she thought I was ruining her golden arrangement. Things were never the same after that and we ended up terminating our relationship.
All of these relationships ultimately end so that is no big deal but remember the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules.
Paul.
P.S. F Scott, you are my hero. For those who haven't read back through the board, Scott's older posts are magnificent. There is one from a few years back where he bangs a SB on a sailboat on Lake Michigan. The writing is so good he could have it published.
[QUOTE=FScott;3239140]My Brothers,
A few months ago I started to notice that a baby I'd been seeing for over three years was acquiring some very stylish new furniture and electronic equipment, despite the fact that she is a grad student and works a part time job 25 hours a week. Being no idiot, I assumed that she had another SD or two on the line, which I have to be honest and say did not bother me. She and I have been seeing each other once a week on average, and the sex is still off the charts. In addition, we have as close, comfortable and as approximate a "real life" relationship that this sort of thing gets. I have true affection for her, and believe she feels the same for me. Plus, she lives about a mile from me, so meeting up at her place is laughably easy and convenient, and at this point the sugar is minimal and not always called for.
Fast forward to yesterday, when she proudly showed me her new 2 bedroom corner apartment on a high floor in her building with fantastic views of the park and lake! When I joked that she must have won the lottery, she blushed and admitted that she found "this old guy" to pay for it in exchange for watching her play with herself once a month while he chokes his own chicken. Apparently he is a total germaphobe, and doesn't even take his pants off for fear of catching something.
She then went on to say, and show me, how much fun she and I were going to have in the new place, all on this other guy's dime! So my question to you all is this: does this make me his SB as well, or something more like a Sugar Son-in-law?
The Bowl is nothing if not endlessly interesting.
Keep up the good work.
Scott.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Makethescoop;3238521]From the local station here in RVA.
I'm sure somebody in the forum knows the young lady!
[URL]http://wtvr.com/2017/01/18/what-women-need-to-know-about-having-a-sugar-daddy-pay-the-bills/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hah, another video with the pumpkin head lady. They should give her her own TV show called "Opinions By Frumpy" with occasional guests Gloria Allred and Rosie O'Donnell.
This is an investigator employed by a *critical investigations division of the Dept of Homeland Security*, yet she claims she only recently discovered that there were websites that catered to sugarbabies and sugardaddies? Not a very observant investigator, I think we should all be very worried about how our tax money is being spent here if that's the quality of investigator that's looking out for our safety.
After all, those poor sugarbabies are sending older dudes naked selfies of themselves because they need to save up money to escape abusive relationships, not because they want Louis Vuitton purses.
What a crock of shit. I've met so many SBs who have age appropriate boyfriends and husbands that clearly treat them like queens, as evidenced by their own words and pictures on FB. Some of these girls tell me straight out they have it very nice in their day to day lives but that they are risk takers and just enjoy fucking older guys without the strings attached, the monetary gifts are often optional and a secondary goal.
What this woman is wasting tax money on should be criminalized. I hope Trump locks her up, or maybe builds a wall and tosses her over it.
My dear brother.
I hate to tell you this but she is lying. Trust me, I have heard many lies from all types of sbs. I want to believe them but if your spidey senses say bs, it's 99% correct that it is lies.
[QUOTE=FScott;3239140]My Brothers,
A few months ago I started to notice that a baby I'd been seeing for over three years was acquiring some very stylish new furniture and electronic equipment, despite the fact that she is a grad student and works a part time job 25 hours a week. Being no idiot, I assumed that she had another SD or two on the line, which I have to be honest and say did not bother me. She and I have been seeing each other once a week on average, and the sex is still off the charts. In addition, we have as close, comfortable and as approximate a "real life" relationship that this sort of thing gets. I have true affection for her, and believe she feels the same for me. Plus, she lives about a mile from me, so meeting up at her place is laughably easy and convenient, and at this point the sugar is minimal and not always called for.
Fast forward to yesterday, when she proudly showed me her new 2 bedroom corner apartment on a high floor in her building with fantastic views of the park and lake! When I joked that she must have won the lottery, she blushed and admitted that she found "this old guy" to pay for it in exchange for watching her play with herself once a month while he chokes his own chicken. Apparently he is a total germaphobe, and doesn't even take his pants off for fear of catching something.
She then went on to say, and show me, how much fun she and I were going to have in the new place, all on this other guy's dime! So my question to you all is this: does this make me his SB as well, or something more like a Sugar Son-in-law?
The Bowl is nothing if not endlessly interesting.
Keep up the good work.
Scott.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3239650]My dear brother. I hate to tell you this but she is lying. Trust me, I have heard many lies from all types of sbs. I want to believe them but if your spidey senses say bs, it's 99% correct that it is lies.[/QUOTE]It's a case of typical female "fact softening". Instead of admitting to fucking, it's easier for them to admit to "stripping for masturbatory purposes". If they really want to take the lie far enough they will say "well we tried once but he has medical issues and can't get it up because he's so old". They'll exaggerate the age to reduce opportunities for jealous behavior or something that will upset their master plan of having many men look after them. Sometimes they'll tell you the other guy is like 80 to make it more believable that no sex is happening, when he's really early 50's and juiced out on ED drugs.
Females (in particular SBs and strippers) are great at coming up with stories that justify the facts that they can't deny (like the amount of money she is visibly spending is not justified by her income), while at the same time concocting elaborate plausible denial scenarios that are designed to sweep aside any worries that could rock the boat. First and foremost they want to rule out the possibility that they will get dumped by one of the guys involved due to risk of STDs, which of course is a valid concern. This is one reason they come up with detailed scenarios like the germophobe thing. I've heard some variation of the stripping / masturbation / STD-fear story at least a half dozen times before.
The good news is that whenever you meet a hotty that someone is clearly spending big bucks on, it's nice to be the guy that's spending little or nothing and still getting the same pussy, because even though she's a liar it's an indication she's fucking and sucking you because she likes you, while she's fucking him and sucking him only for payment. That's not necessarily a bad position to be in. It's better to sit back and enjoy the discount on pussy while someone else plays the chump and pays for the big ticket items.
[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3236886]I think some of these SB's get overwhelmed with messages, so I'd agree that you have to make yours stand out in those first few sentences. One of the SB's I met in 2016 logged onto her SA account and showed me how she had over 130 views and 40 messages in less than 24 hours. Maybe a lot of the views were from guys without paid memberships, but still 40 messages is a lot to sort through. I am convinced the ratio of SD's to SB's is not 1:8 anymore or whatever they were advertising back in the day. I think it may be closer to 1:1. The word is out on nearly every city board on USASG that there are women willing to bang on SA.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3237456]If they went on a swingers site the number of messages would be more like 100 to 200 in 24-hrs. But Jeez. Like it or not, for the girls this is a Business. Doing what you have to, even if it means 50 messages, is what she has to do. But from what I hear most of the competition are knuckle draggers and it takes 30 seconds to determine that and discard 80% of the messages. So is 20- 40 minutes too much for a SB to have to do to find the right one? Oh WAIT! I forgot- they should be so wonderful that THE GUY just falls in their lap, with no effort required.
But another thing- Anyone know how SA "counts" dudes that are NOT paid members? I am guessing that they count EVERY male account regardless of paid or not. If so that means that the actual number of paid male members is much lower than the ratio would suggest.
If one looks at post 13203.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=3228121&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3228121.
One will see the actual up-to-date statistics that SA published just the other day. But hey, could be in some locations where the numbers have moved closer to parity, but I'd guess not 1:1.
[/QUOTE]We did an experiment today. We both set our search parameters on SA to 50 miles around various cities in the United States. The men to women ratio was between 1:3 and 1:5 in all of them. For example, in Richmond, there was 607 men and 2299 women on the site within 50 miles of the city. Cincy was close to 1:4. Tampa was between 1:4 and 1:5. Don't listen to the stats that the website puts out. Brandon Wade is a salesman. It is marketing to get guys to fork over $80 every month and to make SB's think only millionaires are on the website.
You can argue that the majority of male profiles are not paid at any given time, thus making the ratio much better. But also keep in mind, ALOT of the female profiles are flat out not sugar baby material: obese, too old (yes there are women in their 40's, 50's, and 60's on there), "online relationship only", scammers only looking for you to buy stuff on their wishlist, transexuals, etc.
SDX.
[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3239812]We did an experiment today. We both set our search parameters on SA to 50 miles around various cities in the United States. [b]The men to women ratio was between 1:3 and 1:5[/b] in all of them. For example, in Richmond, there was 607 men and 2299 women on the site within 50 miles of the city. Cincy was close to 1:4. Tampa was between 1:4 and 1:5. Don't listen to the stats that the website puts out. Brandon Wade is a salesman. It is marketing to get guys to fork over $80 every month and to make SB's think only millionaires are on the website.[/QUOTE]Oh my! Kudos! +100 A dude who had a theory and went out and actually tested it! Love it! (I am being serious & genuine).
Now while I agree 100% that Brandon Wade is, in my opinion, a sleazy promoter, it would seem that the results of your study confirm SA's posted statistics?
Per the pictures in link I posted.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=445548&d=1484235276[/URL].
It looks like an overall ratio of 1 male to 4.6 Females (1:4.6). That seems to fall within the range of your results of 1:4 to 1:5 no?
But sure looks like the ratio is in favor of the SD and not closer to one to one (1:1) as causal observation might suggest. Now we are speaking overall. If one wants to add in criteria to narrow the field (such as weight, age, marital status, kids, hair color) there is no way to confirm what the ratio would be other than "observations. ".
Point is that if one is fishing, one stands a better chance fishing in a hole that has more fish in it than fishermen. I think the reason SA is successful is that it has achieved that "more women than men" ratio. Kinda s*cks since Wade is such a "lovely" dude and one hates to support his business. So one has to decide to hold their nose and play or eschew the site for another fishing hole.
Thanks again for doing that bit of "research!" I am impressed- few would go out and test the theory!
Happy Hunting!
OK, so I have a baby and when we meet I help her out with tuition, books, whatever. But it tends to be in the form of greenbacks.
So the other day I was talking with her about gift cards and she mentioned frustration with some she had gotten during the holidays. Seems some only worked as a debit card for purchases and she wanted to turn them into cash.
Since I had been thinking of giving her something a little extra, or perhaps changing up the way I helped her out, I looked into gift cards the other day. Stood there for 20-minutes in the Rite Aid looking at the prepaid MasterCards, Visas and AmEx cards and for the life of me could not tell if any of them allowed the bearer to exchange the card for cash or get cash off of it? A few said no cash back option in the fine print.
Maybe this isn't a possibility since, if one could do that then it might be a way to launder money and thus forbidden by Gubmint rules?
Anyway, does anyone know if there is a product out there that allows cash withdrawals from the card? Is there a fee?
[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3239650]My dear brother.
I hate to tell you this but she is lying. Trust me, I have heard many lies from all types of sbs. I want to believe them but if your spidey senses say bs, it's 99% correct that it is lies.[/QUOTE]Lying about what? The other guy? Who cares?
As I said in my post, I really don't care, as long as she is there for me when I want her to be and keeps fucking me with the same focused intensity that I've come to love! I'm enjoying the new place, and my baby, the same as the other guy, but I'm paying a lot less for it than he is. Win / win for me is the way I look at it.
Peace,
Scott.
I used to have a prepaid Visa, funded by me. Used it in ATMs from coast to coast. I'm just sayin. I believe the company was NetSpend. Easy setup transfers from any other account.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3240251]OK, so I have a baby and when we meet I help her out with tuition, books, whatever. But it tends to be in the form of greenbacks.
So the other day I was talking with her about gift cards and she mentioned frustration with some she had gotten during the holidays. Seems some only worked as a debit card for purchases and she wanted to turn them into cash.
Since I had been thinking of giving her something a little extra, or perhaps changing up the way I helped her out, I looked into gift cards the other day. Stood there for 20-minutes in the Rite Aid looking at the prepaid MasterCards, Visas and AmEx cards and for the life of me could not tell if any of them allowed the bearer to exchange the card for cash or get cash off of it? A few said no cash back option in the fine print.
Maybe this isn't a possibility since, if one could do that then it might be a way to launder money and thus forbidden by Gubmint rules?
Anyway, does anyone know if there is a product out there that allows cash withdrawals from the card? Is there a fee?[/QUOTE]
Some old guy paying for an apt for once a month webcam show. She is lying. It is what it is. Lies. She is f*c*ing one or more guys to get that apt, furniture, electronics, etc. She just made up a fairytale to keep you around which is cool if you are fine with it. I thought many times, I was the only guy a sb was f*c*ing and I believed the sb. Guess what? They were all lying and all f*c*ing other guys.
[QUOTE=FScott;3240382]Lying about what? The other guy? Who cares?
As I said in my post, I really don't care, as long as she is there for me when I want her to be and keeps fucking me with the same focused intensity that I've come to love! I'm enjoying the new place, and my baby, the same as the other guy, but I'm paying a lot less for it than he is. Win / win for me is the way I look at it.
Peace,
Scott.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3240251]OK, so I have a baby and when we meet I help her out with tuition, books, whatever. But it tends to be in the form of greenbacks.
So the other day I was talking with her about gift cards and she mentioned frustration with some she had gotten during the holidays. Seems some only worked as a debit card for purchases and she wanted to turn them into cash.
Since I had been thinking of giving her something a little extra, or perhaps changing up the way I helped her out, I looked into gift cards the other day. Stood there for 20-minutes in the Rite Aid looking at the prepaid MasterCards, Visas and AmEx cards and for the life of me could not tell if any of them allowed the bearer to exchange the card for cash or get cash off of it? A few said no cash back option in the fine print.
Maybe this isn't a possibility since, if one could do that then it might be a way to launder money and thus forbidden by Gubmint rules?
Anyway, does anyone know if there is a product out there that allows cash withdrawals from the card? Is there a fee?[/QUOTE]AMEX has a variety of pre-paid card options. You can get a main card (has to be in true name as they enforce know your customer (KYC)) regs. You can then get subordinate cards in your baby's name, and easily pass money down. The card is usable at ATMs.
I haven't bothered to check if the card gets added to your credit history or not. So, it may not be ideal in situations where you're worried about a SO.
You sound kind of jaded. Don't let your experience taint everyone else's.
I agree that most SB's will play multiple guys.
[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3240667]Some old guy paying for an apt for once a month webcam show. She is lying. It is what it is. Lies. She is f*c*ing one or more guys to get that apt, furniture, electronics, etc. She just made up a fairytale to keep you around which is cool if you are fine with it. I thought many times, I was the only guy a sb was f*c*ing and I believed the sb. Guess what? They were all lying and all f*c*ing other guys.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3240886]You sound kind of jaded. Don't let your experience taint everyone else's.
I agree that most SB's will play multiple guys.
.[/QUOTE]Most sb's can qualify as utr. If they have a rotation like the guys do then they are basically utr. If they have a profile up then they are open for business. Even if your the only sd there can still be numerous civy guys getting it for free. The NSA is meant for that purpose. If your looking for a sb that only wants one sd be prepared to take care of her monthly needs. Now some don't need as much as others so takes a little effort to to find those.