Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Joseph Alley; 1776385]Has anyone ever suggested to providers that they should avoid asking for tips and just do the massage with the knowledge that the client will tip. I think it is the whole thing of asking for tips in order to give services that gets providers into trouble.

What would happen if they just do the massage and HE without asking for a certain amount. Would we still give them the tip they deserve? Can Leo bust them if there is no talk of money for services. And if Leo ask "How much do you charge." they just say "Charging money for those kind of services are illegal and just continue the massage and read the clients body language to determine if they should proceed with a HE. Does this sound foolish?[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100% with that. Stephine in Chelsea does that and I bet she makes more tips than if she asked.

Advertises frequently on CL. I guess early 20's, very cute. Asks the normal questions about who you've seen before. First visit not much tease but a surprisingly good massage. Flip at 50 min and went to work. OTC top and bottom. On repeat visits more tease and more interesting extras on the menu. Feel free to pm for details. No discussion of tip ever and no upselling. Looks 7/10. Massage 6/10. 80/60. Will repeat.

[QUOTE=Rito1;1776390]I agree with you 100% with that. Stephine in Chelsea does that and I bet she makes more tips than if she asked.[/QUOTE]I never discuss money, and most of the pros at AMPs I've been with won't talk $ until they've had their hand or mouth on my willy. I also never hand them the money, I place it on the table. Nothing asked for, only offerred.

This seems to let them know you know the rules.

I've had "you take care of me?" But that's really it.

I do my homework ahead of time, but maybe many don't.

My first time with a well-reviewed, well-regarded AMP operator: about 10 minutes into the session I'm on my stomach and she is up on the table, straddling me, wearing a skirt. She pulls both of my hands behind my back (like she's going to cuff me) then scoots forward so that my hands are directly underneath her crotch. My reaction (I couldn't help myself) immediately esablished that I was not LE. Very creative and effective. Not a word spoken.

[QUOTE=Joseph Alley; 1776385]Has anyone ever suggested to providers that they should avoid asking for tips and just do the massage with the knowledge that the client will tip. I think it is the whole thing of asking for tips in order to give services that gets providers into trouble.

What would happen if they just do the massage and HE without asking for a certain amount. Would we still give them the tip they deserve? Can Leo bust them if there is no talk of money for services. And if Leo ask "How much do you charge." they just say "Charging money for those kind of services are illegal and just continue the massage and read the clients body language to determine if they should proceed with a HE. Does this sound foolish?[/QUOTE]

Yes, the kiss of death. It's solicitation. If they just did the massage and the HE there would be no problem. The real problem is greed and stupidity. I've told a couple of providers to never talk money or even "tip" or "you take care of me". I told them LEO can then bust them easily when they do this. Some have actually taken my advice. Good for them.

[QUOTE=Joseph Alley; 1776385]Has anyone ever suggested to providers that they should avoid asking for tips and just do the massage with the knowledge that the client will tip. I think it is the whole thing of asking for tips in order to give services that gets providers into trouble.

What would happen if they just do the massage and HE without asking for a certain amount. Would we still give them the tip they deserve? Can Leo bust them if there is no talk of money for services. And if Leo ask "How much do you charge." they just say "Charging money for those kind of services are illegal and just continue the massage and read the clients body language to determine if they should proceed with a HE. Does this sound foolish?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spectator; 1776433]I never discuss money, and most of the pros at AMPs I've been with won't talk $ until they've had their hand or mouth on my willy. I also never hand them the money, I place it on the table. Nothing asked for, only offerred.

This seems to let them know you know the rules.

I've had "you take care of me?" But that's really it.

I do my homework ahead of time, but maybe many don't.[/QUOTE]Any place that doesn't have the girls begging for tips usually have no problems (unless they end up getting investigated for human trafficking). It's up to the people that runs these places to get these woman on the right page and if they don't, then maybe it's better for them not to be in business.

[QUOTE=Joseph Alley; 1776385]Has anyone ever suggested to providers that they should avoid asking for tips and just do the massage with the knowledge that the client will tip. I think it is the whole thing of asking for tips in order to give services that gets providers into trouble.

What would happen if they just do the massage and HE without asking for a certain amount. Would we still give them the tip they deserve? Can Leo bust them if there is no talk of money for services. And if Leo ask "How much do you charge." they just say "Charging money for those kind of services are illegal and just continue the massage and read the clients body language to determine if they should proceed with a HE. Does this sound foolish?[/QUOTE]Joseph,

I think we beat the AMP bust / prevention topic too death. This is not the first time nor will it be the last for an AMP bust. These topics start each time there is a rash of AMPs being busted. Seems like you're more concerned about shit you have no control over than posting a review. Then we have to scroll past at least five guys comments that agree or disagree with you. Can we get back to reviewing massage parlors?

BB

I am very sorry you feel that way about my questions BB. I realize that you are a Grandfather here and I respect that. But I never say something nor ask a question for the sake of doing so. I ask a question that might help us think of how we can become part of the solution and not just part of the problem and I am happy to see that some people are actually helping these girls avoid hurting themselves. I post when I have something to post and that might not be as often as you and some others and I give much info re PMs but am I concerned about these girls? Of course I am and if we can talk some sense into some, well, we have helped them and us because every time there is a bust these is fear and caution except for your regulars. I really don't think that my question stops anyone from reviewing if they have something to review.

[QUOTE=BaconBits; 1776742]Joseph,

I think we beat the AMP bust / prevention topic too death. This is not the first time nor will it be the last for an AMP bust. These topics start each time there is a rash of AMPs being busted. Seems like you're more concerned about shit you have no control over than posting a review. Then we have to scroll past at least five guys comments that agree or disagree with you. Can we get back to reviewing massage parlors?

BB[/QUOTE]

We may also want to let the girls we like to be very careful about who they give extras to even on a persons second visit. I was talking to provider I like that gives no extras. She was telling me that she had a girl working for her for a short time and it turned out the girl was giving extras without her knowledge. How did she find out? LEO went in, got a HJ from the girl who was working there. Didn't arrest the girl but went on his merry, or should I say happy, way. He went back again a few weeks later for a massage. The other girl wasn't working there anymore so mamsan gave the massage. He asked mamsan for a HJ. She said no because she just doesn't do that. The cop said the other girl did and asked again. Well, he didn't get one that day but it proves they'll go in on multiple occasions. And I think they'll go in on more than one occasion now to be able to shut down the whole operation and saying it's a conspiracy or human trafficking instead of just charging one girl and letting the place stay open. Obama's big on this human trafficking thing and gave states money to fight it.

[QUOTE=Spaz2580;1776514]Yes, the kiss of death. It's solicitation. If they just did the massage and the HE there would be no problem. The real problem is greed and stupidity. I've told a couple of providers to never talk money or even "tip" or "you take care of me". I told them LEO can then bust them easily when they do this. Some have actually taken my advice. Good for them.[/QUOTE]

There are quite a few places that do in fact ask for tips blatantly. But tips for the massage, even though HE is given.

They haven't got busted, but also aren't in cities, more large towns.

I spooked out a place towards the cape. At this place the " massage therapist " didn't want a tip and didn't want what she called trouble (it just opened at the time ). The place of course is still in business but, in that area not much competition.

Also, sometimes these places advertise " new help ", where I go, I didn't have to tip, wasn't talked about or implied.

These places or most of them have a piece of paper " saying no sexual aspects allowed et cetera ", that usually spooks the " new " monger but not the regular. On to the topic of busts, it is always immigrants from flushing, NY. 9 times out of 10.

They come to MA, fall into the loophole of bodywork, and get caught, pretty simple.

Another example old and in Burlington. [url]http://burlington.patch.com/articles/police-bust-massage-spa-worker-for-prostitution[/url]

My 2 cents. BTW I highly, highly doubt actual prostitution was occurring in.th.over. Prostitution is regarded I believe as " sexual conduct for a fee ".

So HE does fall into that category. I think the 50 had nothing better to do.

I had that same experience my first time with her. Thought it was a unique way to shake hands.

[QUOTE=Nuts N Bolts;1776478]My first time with a well-reviewed, well-regarded AMP operator: about 10 minutes into the session I'm on my stomach and she is up on the table, straddling me, wearing a skirt. She pulls both of my hands behind my back (like she's going to cuff me) then scoots forward so that my hands are directly underneath her crotch. My reaction (I couldn't help myself) immediately esablished that I was not LE. Very creative and effective. Not a word spoken.[/QUOTE]

I have to laugh when I hear how providers should or shouldn't ask for tips to avoid getting arrested. If a cop goes into an AMP expecting to arrest someone, they do! Ihate to burst any bubbles about the way cops do investigations and such but rule number 1. Cops lie.

I've *never had an issue with tipping but even in the world of the unspoken word, if she places her hand on his junk I *think* she can be lifted for indecent assault.

*The only one place I've ever had an issue with tipping was just a haggle-fest the ended in nothing happening at all.

[QUOTE=Katokay;1776925]I have to laugh when I hear how providers should or shouldn't ask for tips to avoid getting arrested. If a cop goes into an AMP expecting to arrest someone, they do! Ihate to burst any bubbles about the way cops do investigations and such but rule number 1. Cops lie.[/QUOTE]

I've noticed on another site that there is a Michelle working at Knapp St. I'm trying to get an idea whether she might be the same Michelle I know from a couple years ago. If anyone has seen her would you confirm whether the following description might be her? 35ish, short, cute face, B-cup but fairly curvy, very sweet smile, pleasant disposition and CMT-type skills. Any and all responses appreciated. Failing that I will just swing by when I can to see her in person.

Thanks

The tax evasion will do that. Also needs to pay restitution of taxes.

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/31/zumba-instructor-to-be-sentenced-for-prostitution/2374943/[/url]

Good news: maybe less records will be kept in the future. Bad news, got jail time after all.