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[QUOTE=Sting69649;1204701]Back in January, there was a rumor about a warren spa having a "special" girl. I'm not sure how true it was because I never met up with her. Since, I have located such a girl. PM me for the details.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. I am a little concerned about what Sting means by "special". I do not like the sound of that.
I prefer not to know. (Don't ask, Don't tell)
[QUOTE=SuperUnknown21; 1204578]Straight from the horse's mouth, I have had 3 different AMP girls in Warren whom I became friendly with tell me they split the door fee and the tip in half.
But really, who gives a shit? The disbursement of funds isn't going to change how much any of us pay. Standard rates are. 4 or. 5 to the house, and $ tip to the girl. If you pay more, it's your own choice. Or fault, depending on how you look at it. [/QUOTE]Good point.
The information that I received on the "split" was from a third party and I misrepresented what I heard. The information did not come from my ATF but from a fellow spa enthusiast that talked with my ATF. He got his figures messed up.
Sorry for any "anxiety" this may have caused any of you.
I agree with SU21. Tip what you think is appropriate (e. G, $40, $60, $80, $100, $120, etc).
[QUOTE=Vampireweekend;1196148]Are you sure? There's a Ruby not a Jade working there. She must have really blindsided you then.[/QUOTE]She did! LOL! I thought she said her name was jade. It was hard to hear jsut what she did say with her accent and all. Perhaps it was Ruby. I don't know who all works there but she sure was worth it! She said whe works 24 hour and takes naps from time to time. I will surely visit again next time in town. I don't think it would help if I said she was about 5'4".110-115 lbs, black hair, dark eyes. C-cup. Very very sexy. Hairy too.
Hey why'all, Bobbie is back and well rested. I would rate her up there with Nana based on the session I had with her this morning. There's some physical aspects that she shares with Nana that if you know what to do with them then your time with her will be very well spent. Or both of you will be well spent. I left the fan on for you guys. .
[QUOTE=AznLover2;1196334]I'm guessing he saw Jay, not Jade.[/QUOTE]I am sure it was, if there is no Jade there. She is very very pretty. Hot body too! And she was a champ. A bit on the expensive side but she earned it! Does that sound like Jay?
[QUOTE=SuperUnknown21; 1204578]Straight from the horse's mouth, I have had 3 different AMP girls in Warren whom I became friendly with tell me they split the door fee and the tip in half.
But really, who gives a shit? The disbursement of funds isn't going to change how much any of us pay. Standard rates are. 4 or. 5 to the house, and $ tip to the girl. If you pay more, it's your own choice. Or fault, depending on how you look at it. [/QUOTE]Usually the girls get 10-15$ of door fee (some places don't even give the girls any) then they keep 100% of tips, they never split the tip only unless there was a four hand massage involved. Like they internet, Dont believe everthing a AMP girl tells you is true..
[QUOTE=Amp Middleman;1205374]Usually the girls get 10-15$ of door fee (some places don't even give the girls any) then they keep 100% of tips, they never split the tip only unless there was a four hand massage involved. Like they internet, Dont believe everthing a AMP girl tells you is true.[/QUOTE]House keeps entrance fee and girls keep 100% tips. Think about it, do you think house only gets $20 25 / hr when girls make $120 / hr? No owner would do that.
This AMP girl I know was going home after 6 month of work, she had 200k in cash in her travel bag. The bag was full of cash. I never seen that much cash before.
Man, I just read the first page (last 15 posts) of this thread and am feeling a little bad for you guys. All this talk about splitting fees and special girls. Where are the fun, orgiastic reports from this nationally renowned AMP Heaven?
I blame this directly on Lisa/Micki. She disappeared from the scene, the quality of 4S went downhill, and now ... this morass of boring posts. Meanwhile in Lansing, Micki is converting all of her peers to porn stars and now we have reports from our Hawaii Spa of two guys and 3 girls tearing up the place with their exciting adult endeavors.
But fear not, men. What comes around, goes around (or is it, what goes around, comes around?). We know our gift may be fleeting and we're just trying to enjoy it while it lasts.
Really, though, this Micki can affect a whole city of mongers. The line of turgid members to be serviced forms shortly after dawn and continues long past midnight. She has become the writhing, pulsating, slurping center of our mongering universe and left a black hole in yours.
Still, I say ... May AMP Heaven rise again!
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1205730]Man, I just read the first page (last 15 posts) of this thread and am feeling a little bad for you guys. All this talk about splitting fees and special girls. Where are the fun, orgiastic reports from this nationally renowned AMP Heaven?
I blame this directly on Lisa / Micki. She disappeared from the scene, the quality of 4S went downhill, and now. This morass of boring posts. Meanwhile in Lansing, Micki is converting all of her peers to porn stars and now we have reports from our Hawaii Spa of two guys and 3 girls tearing up the place with their exciting adult endeavors.
But fear not, men. What comes around, goes around (or is it, what goes around, comes around?). We know our gift may be fleeting and we're just trying to enjoy it while it lasts.
Really, though, this Micki can affect a whole city of mongers. The line of turgid members to be serviced forms shortly after dawn and continues long past midnight. She has become the writhing, pulsating, slurping center of our mongering universe and left a black hole in yours.
Still, I say. May AMP Heaven rise again![/QUOTE]Considering all the attention by the media, the Warren Police, Health Department and various anti-spa community activists over the last few months recently about the massage parlors, it is not a really wise idea to be provoking these people by posting graphic massage fantasy reports.
Even some of the spa owners have been asking you guys to restrain yourselves.
Remember who is reading what you write on these forums and try to use good judgement.
Locals can't ever forget all the spa closures since last summer. Don't let your guard down now.
[QUOTE=Amp Middleman;1205374]Usually the girls get 10-15$ of door fee (some places don't even give the girls any) then they keep 100% of tips, they never split the tip only unless there was a four hand massage involved. Like they internet, Dont believe everthing a AMP girl tells you is true..[/QUOTE]Do you really think any of these places would stay in business, let alone thrive, on 25-50 bucks a person? You really think these girls get to keep all of that money? If that was the case, how come every single one of them has to take the tip and give it right to Mamasan or leave it on the table in the room? Stop posting what you make out to be facts because you are wrong.
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother; 1205730]Man, I just read the first page (last 15 posts) of this thread and am feeling a little bad for you guys. All this talk about splitting fees and special girls. Where are the fun, orgiastic reports from this nationally renowned AMP Heaven?
I blame this directly on Lisa / Micki. She disappeared from the scene, the quality of 4S went downhill, and now. This morass of boring posts. Meanwhile in Lansing, Micki is converting all of her peers to porn stars and now we have reports from our Hawaii Spa of two guys and 3 girls tearing up the place with their exciting adult endeavors.
But fear not, men. What comes around, goes around (or is it, what goes around, comes around?). We know our gift may be fleeting and we're just trying to enjoy it while it lasts.
Really, though, this Micki can affect a whole city of mongers. The line of turgid members to be serviced forms shortly after dawn and continues long past midnight. She has become the writhing, pulsating, slurping center of our mongering universe and left a black hole in yours.
Still, I say. May AMP Heaven rise again![/QUOTE]Four Seasons used to be the best, now its horrible. I had a bad experiece a few months ago, and won't return.
[QUOTE=SuperUnknown21;1205910]Say what you will, but remember, we had her first.[/QUOTE]Actually she's from ann arbor michigan. Had her own spa there back in the early 80's. I've know her for 25 years now and thats where I first met her. You think she's hot now brother you should have seen her then, ah memories!
I was just failing to resist the urge to tease and have a little fun, but you all make good points about discretion, Micki's history, etc. Monger on!
Well my first visit to Warren and this man from Chicago is real jealous. Met Jay and had a great time. I will be coming to Ohio for more visits.
[QUOTE=Barber Shop;1206072]Actually she's from ann arbor michigan. Had her own spa there back in the early 80's. I've know her for 25 years now and thats where I first met her. You think she's hot now brother you should have seen her then, ah memories![/QUOTE]How old is she now then? 60?
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;1206194]I was just failing to resist the urge to tease and have a little fun, but you all make good points about discretion, Micki's history, etc. Monger on![/QUOTE]Is this the Mikki that ran Sun for awhile?
Their new ad on Akron BP says new management and Sophia back in town underlined. Could this be one of Warrens former favorites from Sun and Four Seasons Spas? Maybe the Vampire dude can confirm for us.
Happy Mongering.
I know that Mickie is in her early 50's. Maybe 52. She's in damn good shape for her age. Definitely a cougar like a couple of other providers in the area. Especially the J Lo looking one.
She looks like late 30s, even younger if you're talking just the body.
[QUOTE=Vampireweekend;1206788]I know that Mickie is in her early 50's. Maybe 52. She's in damn good shape for her age. Definitely a cougar like a couple of other providers in the area. Especially the J Lo looking one.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vampireweekend;1206788]I know that Mickie is in her early 50's. Maybe 52. She's in damn good shape for her age. Definitely a cougar like a couple of other providers in the area. Especially the J Lo looking one.[/QUOTE]VW,
Could you please enlighten us on the J Lo looking one?
Name, location, experiences, etc.
Regards,
Jacky
[QUOTE=Jacktreehorn; 1206871]VW,
Could you please enlighten us on the J Lo looking one?
Name, location, experiences, etc.
Regards,
Jacky[/QUOTE]That would be Yung at Fuji Spa but she's more a mamasam side of the business now.
[QUOTE=Book Man; 1206731]Their new ad on Akron BP says new management and Sophia back in town underlined. Could this be one of Warrens former favorites from Sun and Four Seasons Spas? Maybe the Vampire dude can confirm for us.
Happy Mongering. [/QUOTE]I'm fact checking right now. Just called my other Sophie that I know but it wasn't her. I will not go to Ocean to check this out. I really doubt that it's Sophia from SUN / 4S. I think it's going to be this one that's always there or at least was there the second time I went fact finding when VIP Tina disappeared for a while. So I'll make my calls before I make my rounds there. I just stay away from OCEAN SPA altogether. Not worth the time or grief. I just felt "dirtied" the times I did go.
I had a four hand massage with the new girl Sue and Betty at Fantacy spa yesterday. Ada came in afterwards to add her touch while Sue left to freshen up and Betty had to accomodate another customer that came in. Overall a good experience though she's very shy and showing some inexperience. I will say her skills are in the making and she could really blossom into a very good provider. However I heard that some of earlier patrons were not considerate of her stature and hurt her in the process which has made her a little hesitant. We want to be encouraging dudes not some man of the world trying to work out your issues on these girls. They're still young and learning but if you encourage them enough through your "actions", consideration, and "patience" you can really bring a lot out of them. I can see it in Betty who has gotten better and better. Sue is a little cutie about 5'1" to 5'4", slender built, be see, trimmed and nice little roundness in the back. You make consider her a little plain in the face but she has a nice body. Reminded me a lot of Nikki. She's very responsive and does have a tendency to be fast (not rushed. Just doing things like you do when you think you're going to get caught. You know how it was at that age). I slowed her down a couple of times and gave her some direction and she showed some skills. Just be gentle and she'll show her enjoyment. On the way out Betty greeted me again squeezing my cheeks.
Warren city council is voting today to regulate and when needed, shut down the Massage parlors in Warren. It's been reported also on Akron radio and on stations in the Youngstown and Cleveland areas.
Here is the link:
[url]http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e7a1abfe861b4a01a418be589b1eab8f/OH--Massage-Parlor-Debate/[/url]
Watch when you go to these places as they are being watched. I'm sure I will get attacked for posting this but it is news and it is part of the purpose of this site. I post here to warn people when they may get into some situations that could be detrimental to their wealth and families. From my sources there is talk that there have been undercover operations already being done in response to the pending legislation. You can do what you want with this information.
Theses are the same regulations that Cleveland used to get rid of the several massage parlors that were there. Warren has been studying the way Cleveland and Nashville TN got rid of their AMP's according to what I've been told.
[QUOTE=Jeep56; 1206963]Warren city council is voting today to regulate and when needed, shut down the Massage parlors in Warren. It's been reported also on Akron radio and on stations in the Youngstown and Cleveland areas.
Here is the link:
[url]http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e7a1abfe861b4a01a418be589b1eab8f/OH--Massage-Parlor-Debate/[/url]
Watch when you go to these places as they are being watched. I'm sure I will get attacked for posting this but it is news and it is part of the purpose of this site. I post here to warn people when they may get into some situations that could be detrimental to their wealth and families. From my sources there is talk that there have been undercover operations already being done in response to the pending legislation. You can do what you want with this information.[/QUOTE]Personally I've never been to an AMP but after reading through this thread my interest has peaked. I've been giving strong consideration to taking the drive (it's around a 200 mile round trip) to check at least one and maybe two of them out but now I see this and I have to reconsider.
I honestly don't see why anyone would attack you for posting this news. Better to be aware of what's going on as opposed to having your head in the sand. That's my opinion.
I still might take the drive though but seeing that I'm also considering an escort out that way I might try the escort first and continue to watch how the massage parlor reports shake out.
Either way, thank you for the report!
[QUOTE=Jeep56; 1206963]Warren city council is voting today to regulate and when needed, shut down the Massage parlors in Warren. It's been reported also on Akron radio and on stations in the Youngstown and Cleveland areas.
Here is the link:
[url]http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e7a1abfe861b4a01a418be589b1eab8f/OH--Massage-Parlor-Debate/[/url]
Watch when you go to these places as they are being watched. I'm sure I will get attacked for posting this but it is news and it is part of the purpose of this site. I post here to warn people when they may get into some situations that could be detrimental to their wealth and families. From my sources there is talk that there have been undercover operations already being done in response to the pending legislation. You can do what you want with this information.
Theses are the same regulations that Cleveland used to get rid of the several massage parlors that were there. Warren has been studying the way Cleveland and Nashville TN got rid of their AMP's according to what I've been told.[/QUOTE]According to vindy. Com the legislation will be read 2 more times. The next reading will be June 23 at 3pm. It has to be read 3 times before it can be enacted.
Happy Mongering
[QUOTE=Jeep56; 1206963]Warren city council is voting today to regulate and when needed, shut down the Massage parlors in Warren. It's been reported also on Akron radio and on stations in the Youngstown and Cleveland areas.
Here is the link:
[url]http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e7a1abfe861b4a01a418be589b1eab8f/OH--Massage-Parlor-Debate/[/url]
Watch when you go to these places as they are being watched. I'm sure I will get attacked for posting this but it is news and it is part of the purpose of this site. I post here to warn people when they may get into some situations that could be detrimental to their wealth and families. From my sources there is talk that there have been undercover operations already being done in response to the pending legislation. You can do what you want with this information.
Theses are the same regulations that Cleveland used to get rid of the several massage parlors that were there. Warren has been studying the way Cleveland and Nashville TN got rid of their AMP's according to what I've been told. [/QUOTE]Checked out the site and it basically said that they're going to increase fees and inspections per month (from one to two). Plus make it easier for them to revoke their license.
"City Law Director Greg Hicks says lawmakers must be careful to enact a bill that is not unconstitutional.
Hicks says it's not enough to pass legislation based on an unproved assumption that prostitution takes place at the parlors."
That's about it it. Nothing really omnious. I don't know where you get that they're looking at the same regulations as Cleveland and Nashville. Doesn't say that in the article at all. So where are you getting your source? From your head?
[QUOTE=Vampireweekend; 1207077]Checked out the site and it basically said that they're going to increase fees and inspections per month (from one to two). Plus make it easier for them to revoke their license.
"City Law Director Greg Hicks says lawmakers must be careful to enact a bill that is not unconstitutional.
Hicks says it's not enough to pass legislation based on an unproved assumption that prostitution takes place at the parlors."
That's about it it. Nothing really omnious. I don't know where you get that they're looking at the same regulations as Cleveland and Nashville. Doesn't say that in the article at all. So where are you getting your source? From your head? [/QUOTE]The key words are "Easier to revoke their licenses."
I have a friend who has inside information at the city offices. I can't tell anything more except that he or she has been looking into the massage parlor problem in Warren for several years and has uncovered some very interesting links.
The very same legislation that Cleveland and Nashville passed is now being considered by Warren. That legislation shut down all the massage parlors in both those cities. Nashville was a mongers paradise several years ago. There were over 20 spas in the city in the 80's and 90's. Most were American spas with just a few Asian. They shut them down real quick with just the idea of keeping logs and making it easier to shut them down. There was not constitutional issues with what Cleveland and Nashville did. So Warren is looking in to what they did.
Greg Hicks has to say something as he is being pressured by residents of Warren. He is also getting pressure from the other side. The darker side who owns the spas. From what I've been told, that video someone posted on this site a while back was part of the reason why the council had to act. Reactions from the other posters here on this site verified that that video was genuine. There was lots of talk in Warren about that video and spurred a lot of political action.
Don't take the recent report lightly. There are a lot of people in Warren that hate the spas and want them shut down.
[QUOTE=Jeep56; 1206963]Warren city council is voting today to regulate and when needed, shut down the Massage parlors in Warren. It's been reported also on Akron radio and on stations in the Youngstown and Cleveland areas.
Here is the link:
[url]http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/e7a1abfe861b4a01a418be589b1eab8f/OH--Massage-Parlor-Debate/[/url]
Watch when you go to these places as they are being watched. I'm sure I will get attacked for posting this but it is news and it is part of the purpose of this site. I post here to warn people when they may get into some situations that could be detrimental to their wealth and families. From my sources there is talk that there have been undercover operations already being done in response to the pending legislation. You can do what you want with this information.
Theses are the same regulations that Cleveland used to get rid of the several massage parlors that were there. Warren has been studying the way Cleveland and Nashville TN got rid of their AMP's according to what I've been told.[/QUOTE]Jeep, you remind me of my ex-wife. Same thing over-over-over and over again. Nag, Nag, Nag. The story never changes with you. (nothing worse than a born again monger I guess?) Jeep you need some AMP time!
[QUOTE=Jeep56; 1207240]The key words are "Easier to revoke their licenses."
From what I've been told, that video someone posted on this site a while back was part of the reason why the council had to act. Reactions from the other posters here on this site verified that that video was genuine. There was lots of talk in Warren about that video and spurred a lot of political action.
Don't take the recent report lightly. There are a lot of people in Warren that hate the spas and want them shut down. [/QUOTE]That is exactly why I moved quickly to have the videos removed from this site. They were fictitious but gave the impression that they were made at a spa in Warren, OH.
I think posting is fine, nothing else. Everyone likes to read fantasy stories.
The "darker side" are ambitious workers who see how things work and buy a spa for themselves when they have earned enough cash. There is no "darker side". You postings are just weird. You know nothing about the way the spas work.
[QUOTE=Vampireweekend;1206917]I'm fact checking right now. Just called my other Sophie that I know but it wasn't her. I will not go to Ocean to check this out. I really doubt that it's Sophia from SUN / 4S. I think it's going to be this one that's always there or at least was there the second time I went fact finding when VIP Tina disappeared for a while. So I'll make my calls before I make my rounds there. I just stay away from OCEAN SPA altogether. Not worth the time or grief. I just felt "dirtied" the times I did go.[/QUOTE]I TOFTT and indeed this is the Sophia who was a longstanding resident at Sun (with a detour to 4S as "Penny"). It had probably been since the last century that I had been at Ocean (it was McKinley then) and couldn't have been more surprised (positively) at the makeover the place has gotten. Really large, high quality, modern shower facility and large, well-appointed rooms with oversized beds and other good quality touches (including heated towels dispenser right in the room).
Mamasan Jenny is really nice and friendly. Working there now is Sophia and one other girl, who I didn't meet.
Sophia has always been at the top of the GFE providers in Warren, better in my estimation than the exalted Lisa of 4S. I'm happy to report that this hasn't changed, though she is looking just a touch older in the face (my guess is somewhere in the 40's). But she still has the same great personality; she is 110% focused on you, you, you. From the TS to the gymnastics back in the room.
I had the best TS in my life there. Took over an hour with both Sophia and Jenny working at different times. They did a complete exfoliation and then a multi-part follow-on scrub down. The shampoo with scalp massage was bliss. I can legitimately say I emerged from that as the unqualified cleanest man in the state of Ohio.
Then in the room Jenny worked on my back with a fantastic, well skilled walk, as Sophia quickly took care of another customer. That was so relaxing I fell asleep for a bit. Sophia then arrived and we reacquainted ourselves. I've been a longstanding customer and it is great to see her back. For those that don't know her, she is incredibly skilled and profoundly enjoys everything on the menu. There was absolutely no time pressure and overall I was there for over 3 hours, and was encouraged to stay longer but I had another appt I was now late for.
I haven't seen reviews here on Ocean in a long time. I would urge others who have a bad impression of the place from an earlier experience to give this new version of Ocean a try. I think you will be really impressed with the new decor, the new management, and particularly the Sophia experience. Unparalleled.
[QUOTE=Jeff S; 1207496]That is exactly why I moved quickly to have the videos removed from this site. They were fictitious but gave the impression that they were made at a spa in Warren, OH.
I think posting is fine, nothing else. Everyone likes to read fantasy stories. [/QUOTE]Jeff. You did not get these videos removed from this site. The website that hosted them (Xhamster) removed them because of copyright issues.
This site still has the links posted.
You would understand why he would be attacked if you were familiar with his history of posting.
[QUOTE=Mikey2K; 1207015]Personally I've never been to an AMP but after reading through this thread my interest has peaked. I've been giving strong consideration to taking the drive (it's around a 200 mile round trip) to check at least one and maybe two of them out but now I see this and I have to reconsider.
I honestly don't see why anyone would attack you for posting this news. Better to be aware of what's going on as opposed to having your head in the sand. That's my opinion.
I still might take the drive though but seeing that I'm also considering an escort out that way I might try the escort first and continue to watch how the massage parlor reports shake out.
Either way, thank you for the report! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TwistedBrother;1208253]You would understand why he would be attacked if you were familiar with his history of posting.[/QUOTE]Yes I understand now. After seeing the other responses to his post I did some searching here so now I understand completely.
Still imo it would be wise to be alert to the possibility of future raids and or crackdowns.
Nana is gone already. Tina is back.
Happy Mongering.
I'm sure they are all fantastic, Nana, Bobbie, Ruby and Tina, but it's June and my ATF is Jun (I'm sure folks will debate me) , but I like her style (wish she knew some English. LOL, who cares) so when she is back I'll be back. By the way, with all the fees chat and LE (Jeep56) chat, I forgot why I go to this board, It's about the feel good massage, DUH.
[QUOTE=Bluer138;1208568]I'm sure they are all fantastic, Nana, Bobbie, Ruby and Tina, but it's June and my ATF is Jun (I'm sure folks will debate me) , but I like her style (wish she knew some English. LOL, who cares) so when she is back I'll be back. By the way, with all the fees chat and LE (Jeep56) chat, I forgot why I go to this board, It's about the feel good massage, DUH.[/QUOTE]I hate to say it, but the line up is Jay (jade) Ruby, Tina and Bobbie just got back last week. Nana has already left us. No word on when Jun will be back, maybe the spa patrol knows more.
[QUOTE=Bluer138;1208568]I'm sure they are all fantastic, Nana, Bobbie, Ruby and Tina, but it's June and my ATF is Jun (I'm sure folks will debate me) , but I like her style (wish she knew some English. LOL, who cares) so when she is back I'll be back. By the way, with all the fees chat and LE (Jeep56) chat, I forgot why I go to this board, It's about the feel good massage, DUH.[/QUOTE]Is Jay gone? I ws planning on seeing her next weekend.
[QUOTE=Jacktreehorn;1208861]Is Jay gone? I ws planning on seeing her next weekend.[/QUOTE]She is still there along with Ruby, Tina and Bobbie.
Happy Mongering.