"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[QUOTE=NGASugarMan;3762179]Hey guys,

I figured I would join in and confirm what others are saying. Was thinking about trying Craigslist or Backpage last year and decided to jump into SA in early January. Best freaking 85 $ I've ever spent in my life! Here is my experience, hope it helps others!

I'm late 30's, would say I'm a 8 or 9 out of 10. I'm was never a ladies man. The classic nerdy kid who just happened to have a 30's mid-life crisis and started getting into shape. I'm only saying this here, to give an idea of how the girls on SA respond / etc. I could probably be successful at the bar or Tinder, but I don't have the time now, and I was never good at being a player.

You need to make sure you have spare time the first few days you join SA. I posted a fairly normal pic, plus a fairly straight forward profile. NSA, I'm fun, like to cook, enjoying life, etc. The first few days I was spreading the net pretty wide. I'm not too picky, was looking for anything good looking between 18 and 45. I was constantly hit up by women, and I would say be super careful with the ones that hit you up. Very few of those went anywhere. I also suspected they were Backpage, or possibly high mileage babies. My target were chicks with fairly new profiles (last 10 months or so) and seem at first glance to be authentic. You will have to do a decent amount of filtering. I was very swamped. I feel like they would categorize into the following:

1) Good BP pro's or basically well versed pay to play babies. These girls would get to a number very, very fast. Any that were hot enough, usually had GPS. There may be a perl in there, if you are not too picky about looks.

2) DTF chicks: These are the normal girls that usually have high sex drives, and need money (rent, expensive hobby, or like nice things). This is my sweet spot. Most require more work than #1 with conversation, but the time invested is totally worth it. Reasonable rate, mostly bare back, experienced (so no dead fish), but also not high mileage. I prefer the early 30's, but there are horny co-eds in there too. You usually need to have a talking game. I won't go into details, but it's already been covered. They want to fuck, but have some bar.

3) The unicorns: These are brand new babes to SA, or have been on a while, but don't have a daddy because they are so paranoid. These girls require a TON of work. Lots of flakes, no-shows, ghosting. BUT, and I say BUT, you can land a baby that is absolutely smoking 11/10, and you may be their #2 or #3 ever. I've landed one. It took a shit ton of time, and I almost gave up after a few weeks, but I was literally her #2. Had one serious high school BF and was looking to try something new. (can't make this up). They are not experienced like #2 types, but if you want to lay pipe in a smoking hot, ultra low mileage chick, this is the long and hard road. I seriously doubt she is even talking to anyone else (#2 on my list probably have a few daddy's in their stable).

I've piped five total sugar babies (all I have time for) and settled down to two regulars. They followed the above fairly well. Names changed:

Ashley #1 (type) - Premium member on SA (8/10 looks). Met up with her because she was my break-in chick on SA, or mongering at all. She was hot, quick banter that quickly let to a meeting and price. Probably paid too much 4 $ Covered, because I didn't want to risk it. Didn't go back.

Beverly #2 (type) - Normal profile, good looks (8/10). Single mom out of Buford. Talked for a few days, texted, finally met up. Went directly back to her place after the initial meet up. She liked dick, and knew how to work it. Never even asked for money. All bareback She dropped off the radar after a few months.

Ansley #2 (type) - UGA chick. Smoking hot (10/10) Blonde, tight body, amazing to look at naked. She was used to nice stuff at home, and now didn't like poor college life. I talked with her a few days, finally met up for lunch, went back to her place. I was in a 10+ year relationship with a nympho, and could have sex twice a day, every day. Having sex with Ansley crushed my soul and Mr. Happy for days. I thought Mr. Happy finally died. Now that I'm in my late 30's I can go at it for ever. Not with Ansley. I was literally a two pump chump. It was that mind blowing. Best 300 I've ever spent. All bareback I've only met up a few times. I think she only does it for temporary money, then drops off the radar.

Veronica #2 (type) - working Nurse, good looks (8/10) Flawless body, but 6/10 face. Works a million hours, but loves dick. Talked a few days, met, headed back to her place, amazing in bed. Didn't pay anything the first few times. She's a regular now. I'll pay 2 $ a meet. We meet multiple times a month, I need a few days to recover from her. Absolutely knows how to work it. All bareback regular.

Kathy #3 (type) - Student. 18, flawless face and body (10/10) broke up with BF, used to have everything she wants at home. Experimental curious type. Took almost a month of texting, calling to finally meet. Met for a few "dates". Finally after a few weeks of hanging out (I would pay for food, entertainment, smallish gifts) while making out, she says she want to do it. Sack of potatoes the first few times, but is warming up. I know some of you will probably want to avoid this type, but I have to say. Nothing like teaching an 18 year old hottie to swallow your load for the first time. I'll just leave it at that. Covered the first few times, waiting for BC to kick in regular.

It's so real. Only downside, I don't think I could ever go back to a normal relationship again![/QUOTE]Everything in this post is correct. I've had a new girl over every day for the past week. All raw, all good. One was a death fish but she was so hot I didn't care. I can never go back to escorts again.

[QUOTE=WheresMyMule;3763466]Anyone ever get banned from SA?

I did and have no idea why? Is there a way to dispute it? Any suggestions guys?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'd definitely try to find out why. But I'm guessing someone objected to your profile or something you discussed in a message on the site. It's best not to discuss details on the site. Try to move conversations off site before you start discussing numbers or intimate details. The administrators can't suspend you for something that didn't occur on the site.

Saw this kind of question come up here a while back and I was wondering the same, so I figured I'd share what I've experienced a week in to SA.

Question was what kind of action / interest can you expect if you stay real low profile with no picture and just sort of general information in your bio (because, you know, you don't want to be busted for being on the site). And in my experience so far, I'm sure I get ignored on a lot of messages because of it, but it's certainly not something that closes the door on possibilities. I've got a few conversations going with non-pros who seem to be really looking for low-profile encounters, so it could be they feel more comfortable with somebody who's obviously low-profile as well. I've even had quite a few ladies message me first. Of course you have to build up trust, but like I tell them. No picture is honest; some picture that could be fake or doesn't show my face or something. How valuable is that, really?

And yesterday I met up with a nice, shy, rather attractive 23-yo I'd be chatting with (first on the site, then off. A good sign when they want to move to text or Kik) who likes older men, doesn't want any kind of support and just wants to keep meeting up for sex. That'll do, and those types of ladies are going to be my focus for now. Interested to see how it goes.

[QUOTE=NGASugarMan;3762179]Hey guys,

I figured I would join in and confirm what others are saying. Was thinking about trying Craigslist or Backpage last year and decided to jump into SA in early January. Best freaking 85 $ I've ever spent in my life! Here is my experience, hope it helps others!

I'm late 30's, would say I'm a 8 or 9 out of 10. I'm was never a ladies man. The classic nerdy kid who just happened to have a 30's mid-life crisis and started getting into shape. I'm only saying this here, to give an idea of how the girls on SA respond / etc. I could probably be successful at the bar or Tinder, but I don't have the time now, and I was never good at being a player.

You need to make sure you have spare time the first few days you join SA. I posted a fairly normal pic, plus a fairly straight forward profile. NSA, I'm fun, like to cook, enjoying life, etc. The first few days I was spreading the net pretty wide. I'm not too picky, was looking for anything good looking between 18 and 45. I was constantly hit up by women, and I would say be super careful with the ones that hit you up. Very few of those went anywhere. I also suspected they were Backpage, or possibly high mileage babies. My target were chicks with fairly new profiles (last 10 months or so) and seem at first glance to be authentic. You will have to do a decent amount of filtering. I was very swamped. I feel like they would categorize into the following:

1) Good BP pro's or basically well versed pay to play babies. These girls would get to a number very, very fast. Any that were hot enough, usually had GPS. There may be a perl in there, if you are not too picky about looks.

2) DTF chicks: These are the normal girls that usually have high sex drives, and need money (rent, expensive hobby, or like nice things). This is my sweet spot. Most require more work than #1 with conversation, but the time invested is totally worth it. Reasonable rate, mostly bare back, experienced (so no dead fish), but also not high mileage. I prefer the early 30's, but there are horny co-eds in there too. You usually need to have a talking game. I won't go into details, but it's already been covered. They want to fuck, but have some bar.

3) The unicorns: These are brand new babes to SA, or have been on a while, but don't have a daddy because they are so paranoid. These girls require a TON of work. Lots of flakes, no-shows, ghosting. BUT, and I say BUT, you can land a baby that is absolutely smoking 11/10, and you may be their #2 or #3 ever. I've landed one. It took a shit ton of time, and I almost gave up after a few weeks, but I was literally her #2. Had one serious high school BF and was looking to try something new. (can't make this up). They are not experienced like #2 types, but if you want to lay pipe in a smoking hot, ultra low mileage chick, this is the long and hard road. I seriously doubt she is even talking to anyone else (#2 on my list probably have a few daddy's in their stable).

I've piped five total sugar babies (all I have time for) and settled down to two regulars. They followed the above fairly well. Names changed:

[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. Great info. Going to PM you with a few questions.

I'm going to venture out of my sandbox and add to NGSugarman's post. He is dead on about the potential of SA. I'd like to add to his list:

4) The Pegasus: I have lived with a beautiful woman 20 years my younger for the past 5 years. She's from a small former eastern bloc nation where relationships of this type are extremely common. Of the girls from home that she keeps up with all are married to much older men, in fact we have by far the smallest age gap. She is complete at ease with whatever I want to do sexually. Just yesterday I openly met another girl off of SA and fucked her blind for 3 hours while my main girl was at work. I need to write a post on the new girl jesus fuck. 92 lbs of fuck me harder and gag me with a cock. The little ***** arrived flashed me her ass (sans undies) under her mini-skirt then whipped out a ball gag. My legs are so sore I can barely walk.

I'm in my mid 40's and have not done much to take care of myself. I have a good job and a reasonable amount of $ but I've stopped throwing it at these girls. Ask what she thinks is reasonable and then offer 1/2 for a night. (I had a girl drive down from WV for $$$ she ended up staying almost 2 months of nearly continuous, no holes barred sex whenever or wherever I chose. -- see attached pic). If she says "what do you think" reply "Lets discuss it over drinks / coffee" then never mention $ again and give her whatever you like when you're done.

My Advise: Be a god-damn gentleman! You can't treat this like CL or BP you're going to get nowhere just asking to meet immediately and the girls who are just looking to augment BP or the club will let you know quickly what they want hourly. The best ones are going to back out and then call out of the blue because they really need something. Be cool, maybe some booze and / or 420 then give her more orgasms than she's ever had for as long as you like. Help her out then don't do anything more than you would on any date pick up the tap when you go out (which won't be much because where do you take a 19 yr old anyway). From what these girls tell me dating now is like accepting an ride on the bag bus, give them an alternative and you can't fuck'them fast enough.

Happy hunting,

[QUOTE=NGASugarMan;3762179]Hey guys,

I figured I would join in and confirm what others are saying. Was thinking about trying Craigslist or Backpage last year and decided to jump into SA in early January. Best freaking 85 $ I've ever spent in my life! Here is my experience, hope it helps others!

I'm late 30's, would say I'm a 8 or 9 out of 10. I'm was never a ladies man. The classic nerdy kid who just happened to have a 30's mid-life crisis and started getting into shape. I'm only saying this here, to give an idea of how the girls on SA respond / etc. I could probably be successful at the bar or Tinder, but I don't have the time now, and I was never good at being a player.

You need to make sure you have spare time the first few days you join SA. I posted a fairly normal pic, plus a fairly straight forward profile. NSA, I'm fun, like to cook, enjoying life, etc. The first few days I was spreading the net pretty wide. I'm not too picky, was looking for anything good looking between 18 and 45. I was constantly hit up by women, and I would say be super careful with the ones that hit you up. Very few of those went anywhere. I also suspected they were Backpage, or possibly high mileage babies. My target were chicks with fairly new profiles (last 10 months or so) and seem at first glance to be authentic. You will have to do a decent amount of filtering. I was very swamped. I feel like they would categorize into the following:

1) Good BP pro's or basically well versed pay to play babies. These girls would get to a number very, very fast. Any that were hot enough, usually had GPS. There may be a perl in there, if you are not too picky about looks.

2) DTF chicks: These are the normal girls that usually have high sex drives, and need money (rent, expensive hobby, or like nice things). This is my sweet spot. Most require more work than #1 with conversation, but the time invested is totally worth it. Reasonable rate, mostly bare back, experienced (so no dead fish), but also not high mileage. I prefer the early 30's, but there are horny co-eds in there too. You usually need to have a talking game. I won't go into details, but it's already been covered. They want to fuck, but have some bar.

3) The unicorns: These are brand new babes to SA, or have been on a while, but don't have a daddy because they are so paranoid. These girls require a TON of work. Lots of flakes, no-shows, ghosting. BUT, and I say BUT, you can land a baby that is absolutely smoking 11/10, and you may be their #2 or #3 ever. I've landed one. It took a shit ton of time, and I almost gave up after a few weeks, but I was literally her #2. Had one serious high school BF and was looking to try something new. (can't make this up). They are not experienced like #2 types, but if you want to lay pipe in a smoking hot, ultra low mileage chick, this is the long and hard road. I seriously doubt she is even talking to anyone else (#2 on my list probably have a few daddy's in their stable).

I've piped five total sugar babies (all I have time for) and settled down to two regulars. They followed the above fairly well. Names changed:

Ashley #1 (type) - Premium member on SA (8/10 looks). Met up with her because she was my break-in chick on SA, or mongering at all. She was hot, quick banter that quickly let to a meeting and price. Probably paid too much 4 $ Covered, because I didn't want to risk it. Didn't go back.

Beverly #2 (type) - Normal profile, good looks (8/10). Single mom out of Buford. Talked for a few days, texted, finally met up. Went directly back to her place after the initial meet up. She liked dick, and knew how to work it. Never even asked for money. All bareback She dropped off the radar after a few months.

Ansley #2 (type) - UGA chick. Smoking hot (10/10) Blonde, tight body, amazing to look at naked. She was used to nice stuff at home, and now didn't like poor college life. I talked with her a few days, finally met up for lunch, went back to her place. I was in a 10+ year relationship with a nympho, and could have sex twice a day, every day. Having sex with Ansley crushed my soul and Mr. Happy for days. I thought Mr. Happy finally died. Now that I'm in my late 30's I can go at it for ever. Not with Ansley. I was literally a two pump chump. It was that mind blowing. Best 300 I've ever spent. All bareback I've only met up a few times. I think she only does it for temporary money, then drops off the radar.

Veronica #2 (type) - working Nurse, good looks (8/10) Flawless body, but 6/10 face. Works a million hours, but loves dick. Talked a few days, met, headed back to her place, amazing in bed. Didn't pay anything the first few times. She's a regular now. I'll pay 2 $ a meet. We meet multiple times a month, I need a few days to recover from her. Absolutely knows how to work it. All bareback regular.

Kathy #3 (type) - Student. 18, flawless face and body (10/10) broke up with BF, used to have everything she wants at home. Experimental curious type. Took almost a month of texting, calling to finally meet. Met for a few "dates". Finally after a few weeks of hanging out (I would pay for food, entertainment, smallish gifts) while making out, she says she want to do it. Sack of potatoes the first few times, but is warming up. I know some of you will probably want to avoid this type, but I have to say. Nothing like teaching an 18 year old hottie to swallow your load for the first time. I'll just leave it at that. Covered the first few times, waiting for BC to kick in regular.

It's so real. Only downside, I don't think I could ever go back to a normal relationship again![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TroyWess;3765538]Saw this kind of question come up here a while back and I was wondering the same, so I figured I'd share what I've experienced a week in to SA.

Question was what kind of action / interest can you expect if you stay real low profile with no picture and just sort of general information in your bio (because, you know, you don't want to be busted for being on the site). And in my experience so far, I'm sure I get ignored on a lot of messages because of it, but it's certainly not something that closes the door on possibilities. I've got a few conversations going with non-pros who seem to be really looking for low-profile encounters, so it could be they feel more comfortable with somebody who's obviously low-profile as well. I've even had quite a few ladies message me first. Of course you have to build up trust, but like I tell them. No picture is honest; some picture that could be fake or doesn't show my face or something. How valuable is that, really?

And yesterday I met up with a nice, shy, rather attractive 23-yo I'd be chatting with (first on the site, then off. A good sign when they want to move to text or Kik) who likes older men, doesn't want any kind of support and just wants to keep meeting up for sex. That'll do, and those types of ladies are going to be my focus for now. Interested to see how it goes.[/QUOTE]I personally think you would do just fine with no photo in your profile. I would just mention in my first message that trying to keep things discreet and that can share pics in the future if we talk offline. Sure you would turn off a few of them, but still more out there than you know how to handle. These women love $$$ and they know that most of us are not Brad Pitt types. Just talk them up and have something to say and send them pics later and you will have plenty of fun.

This a million times over! They are not going to be living with you, and how long do you really see and talk to them in total? Being nice, asking the right questions about them (everyone loves someone who shows interest in their activities / hobbies) and acting like you care go way further than the money as hard as it is to believe. They want the money, but if you can play the game, you will have them hook, line, and sinker. There is something wrong with the guys in their 30's /20's out there now.

[QUOTE=BigJay;3766047]
My Advise: Be a god-damn gentleman! You can't treat this like CL or BP you're going to get nowhere just asking to meet immediately and the girls who are just looking to augment BP or the club will let you know quickly what they want hourly. The best ones are going to back out and then call out of the blue because they really need something. Be cool, maybe some booze and / or 420 then give her more orgasms than she's ever had for as long as you like. Help her out then don't do anything more than you would on any date pick up the tap when you go out (which won't be much because where do you take a 19 yr old anyway). From what these girls tell me dating now is like accepting an ride on the bag bus, give them an alternative and you can't fuck'them fast enough.

Happy hunting,[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NGASugarMan;3766578]There is something wrong with the guys in their 30's /20's out there now.[/QUOTE]Yep, I have noticed the amount of effeminate college age "men" is at an all time high. It went from metro-sexual to just a-sexual / low T, non-pussy hounding wussies. I have had a number of the college age girls tell me "so that's what it is like to be a with a real man" more than once. And once you hit it with authority, they keep coming back for more (at a low price).

If you want to know how hard I am working it, looks up the Teen Fidelity prons and watch any of them where the dude is Ryan Madison. Anyone else go that hard with a 19 year old non-pro? They are all a little stunned after the first time, but then want it again and again.

Check your notifications / PM by the way. Message sent.

[QUOTE=PeterJohnson;3766054]I personally think you would do just fine with no photo in your profile. I would just mention in my first message that trying to keep things discreet and that can share pics in the future if we talk offline. Sure you would turn off a few of them, but still more out there than you know how to handle. These women love $$$ and they know that most of us are not Brad Pitt types. Just talk them up and have something to say and send them pics later and you will have plenty of fun.[/QUOTE]Yep. And it seems that the low-key women needing a little support and wanting a little fun aren't put off by it at all. The ones who seem to be looking to land a big fish are. The pros. They don't care. That first group is the most interesting to pursue anyway.

I wanted to add three things.

1) Stick with your spidey sense as others have said. Don't let your spidey sense get overruled by Mr. Happy. You will get your dick wet, and they are out there. You just have to play it safe. I'm very good at reading people, talking, etc. And I got fucked over once in the beginning too. I would of posted her info, but her number and profile were already probably down before I even came in her.

2) If you are going for the #2 or #3's, once you get their number (I've always received a real cell number) I have always been able to plug the number into Facebook search bar, and immediately find their FB page. You know almost 100% then. I haven't run into a fake FB account yet, but follow your spidey sense again when looking at it.

3) I do this for myself, not for the SA game. I found the best weight lifting program. [URL]https://stronglifts.com/5x5/[/URL] All free, simple, effective. There is even a free smartphone app. Program works and it's two 1-hour workouts a week. I'm five months in, and it's amazing. I saw a shirt once. "Cardio drops pounds, weightlifting drops panties". 100% true. I mentioned before. I'm probably a 7 or 8 on looks. Normal body shape. A few months into this program, and I'm starting to get fuck me eyes when I stop into the local hardware store, and the high school girl is working that day.

Do it for your health, and Mr. Happy.

Feel free to PM me any questions.

I usually don't have a problem if a "pro" or escort is on SA, as long as she doesn't act like it. I talked to two this morning and one sends me her # and invites me over. I figure I will go over there for a first meet and see how things go and probably offer her an allowance for the visit, etc, etc. But before can even get that far, she texts me: "If you want to do business I need to know how much time you need to spend with me".

There was no talk of "business" and I don't get on SA for business transactions. Well maybe I do, but I want them to feel different. Actually I might have been fine with meeting her and saying "I'll give you 80 to suck my dick", but she won't even let me get to that point. These chicks are so dumb and throw away hundreds or thousands of $s from their idiocy.

Another one needed a hotel room this morning and I said I could get her one and come by for some fun. So she gets the room herself and then says that she only wants cash, because she has "bills to pay" and getting her a room for tomorrow night or later does her no good. They don't get that if they are going to pay cash tomorrow for the room and I have prepaid it, then they have that cash to pay for something else...for their bills or whatever they want. It's just beyond stupid and that's why these girls are always broke and scrambling to get a room, etc.

I was reading that 15% of the USA has an IQ below 85. That is something like 50 million people. And of course people with low IQs just aren't capable of managing their money. Just like I am not capable of doing theoretical quantum physics calculations, these girls aren't capable of the simplest concepts of money management. Pimps get a bad rap, and understandably so, but many of those girls could not function without some dude managing their money. Even if these pimps take most of the money, the women would be absolutely lost without them.

I know many of you have had similar experiences and that's why these SA college girls are often better, because they just aren't dumb af like so many escort women are.

Ok, end of rant and I just had to vent there...been a frustrating day.

So I went for it, I am premium at SA, got tired of been rip off an lousy b. Of BP, ok there are so many pros here to, one wanted 4 k,other one asked for $$$$$$ monthly but did not gave chance to ask what I was getting for that and she got rude and block me LOL, right now there is one asking to send by Pay pal $$5 her profile has two days! LOL now there is this one that is close to me looking for arrangements but I need you to remember for me, I am almost 100 % that she was in BP few years ago! Any info, is she a he!?

[QUOTE=ElPerron;3772714]So I went for it, I am premium at SA, got tired of been rip off an lousy b. Of BP, ok there are so many pros here to, one wanted 4 k,other one asked for $$$$$$ monthly but did not gave chance to ask what I was getting for that and she got rude and block me LOL, right now there is one asking to send by Pay pal $$5 her profile has two days! LOL now there is this one that is close to me looking for arrangements but I need you to remember for me, I am almost 100 % that she was in BP few years ago! Any info, is she a he!?[/QUOTE]I'm not familiar with this person. But, if you have to ask if she is a he, maybe you should move on to the next one.

[QUOTE=ElPerron;3772714]So I went for it, I am premium at SA, got tired of been rip off an lousy b. Of BP, ok there are so many pros here to, one wanted 4 k,other one asked for $$$$$$ monthly but did not gave chance to ask what I was getting for that and she got rude and block me LOL, right now there is one asking to send by Pay pal $$5 her profile has two days! LOL now there is this one that is close to me looking for arrangements but I need you to remember for me, I am almost 100 % that she was in BP few years ago! Any info, is she a he!?[/QUOTE]Not BP but was on CL, she has a house in Loganville, but no car. She's a slim chick, I remember her snatch was pretty good. It was 60 for 30 minutes when I saw her. The thing about her is she has a real bumpy face. Almost like the movie Hellraiser but instead of spikes just bumps. I think I saw her once or twice then kept it moving. This was a few years back.

She blocked me but I want to tell about her. Says 26 years old. She approached me after I viewed her profile. Pictures looked good. Texted a few times and arranged to see her. She talked about her sexy outfits and a selection of toys. All sounded good. Got her address and went to visit. First strike was when I was close she had me wait a few while her male friend visiting from out of town had to leave. Second strike was the apartment complex. Very low end to say the least. Third strike was her looks. She met me outside on the porch and did not look like her pictures at all. To clarify it was her but she looked worn and was wearing sloppy sweats and a t shirt. I left telling her I was not comfortable which was the truth.