"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]What we think doesn't matter much. What she thinks is important and how good is your game to convince her to take your offer. Those that don't need money won't negotiate while the ones that do can be reasonable. The $ range girl is far and few. If she isn't happy with the $$ thank her and move on. Plenty out there that will accept that. Also remember some of these girls actually look at what your income listing is on your profile. $$ isn't much for a guy that's making 6 figures a year supposedly. Just give her your best shot and move on if it doesn't work out.

From your description it is quite clear that she values friendship or a personal connection more than other things. I'd suggest that you just go with the flow and make sure that a strong connection evolves naturally. I wouldn't discuss $$ per meet early on unless it is something that she brings it up before M&G. In many cases SBs prefer and appreciate quality time with SDs that provide lower allowances compared to creeps who are willing to spend more money.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]Need some advice gentlemen. This is a SB I've been talk to for several weeks. She's been out of town on winter break, and we've just been getting to know each other over text and stuff. We're planning to meet when she gets back to town in a week or two.

A few days ago I mentioned to her that I was looking for an intimate arrangement to which she replied that intimacy is something that is expected and that she enjoys, but friendship is also important to her. And regarding expectation she said.

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth.

I was thinking about telling her that I generally budget $100-200 per intimate meeting, depending on the circumstances, several times per month. Do you all think this is reasonable? This is my first attempt with a SB, so I'm trying not to screw it up.[/QUOTE]You'll be fine as long as you have an abundance mentality. If she doesn't like your offer, there'll be other sb's who will accept. If someone doesn't like my offer, I'll often tell them that I am offering what other sugar babies in her area ask from me. That often pulls them down to a more reasonable number.

In your situation, it sounds like she doesn't want to commit to anything until she meets you. So do your quick meet and greet. If she feels the vibe with you, she'll say yes. If she doesn't feel the chemistry, she's never going to agree to a real sugar date, anyway. This is when basic hygiene and reasonable conversational game plays a big role.

If you think saying $100-200 per meet won't sound good, try framing it in weekly or monthly terms. Like if you find out she wants to meet 3 times a week, $600 per week or $2400 per month sounds more attractive than $200 per date.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3217493]

"In terms of motivations and expectations, I'm not desperate for money, but college is expensive and it's nice to occasionally be able to buy nice things. I set financial expectations as "practical" which has a numerical value somewhere on this site. As I'm aware that most people favor a "per meeting" arrangement, it's still a decent guideline depending on how frequently you'd like to meet and what you think my time is worth..[/QUOTE]What OP have said is correct, mention your budget and move on if that doesn't work for her! The thought that you "might" scr*w it up" looks like one [i]could[/i] have a level of investment personally that isn't healthy. [u]NEVER fall in love with a provider.[/u] While it is 100% appropriate to treat a baby well, don't cross that invisible line or say things you don't mean. You don't need to play the "I love you" game to get in her pants.

What the girl is saying in the above quote is that she needs the money and willing to flatback for it. She just does NOT want to feel like a wh*re or feel the situation is "transactional. " Many dudes wander in the SB game because the quality is better than the BP drivel and they play the "game" only to move on after one trip to the FC. She wants to be treated well, establish an on-going thing with someone who she has some chemistry with. If you can establish that the rest kind of flows.

Kudos for standing up & asking the question!

Good luck!

Let us know how it turns out!

We need to remember, so many of these girls are not pro's and just testing the water. They need money, but don't want to feel like escorts. They understand intimacy is part if the equation, but want to rationalize b Inn their mind that it is not a straight "pay for play" arrangement.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3217517]From your description it is quite clear that she values friendship or a personal connection more than other things. I'd suggest that you just go with the flow and make sure that a strong connection evolves naturally. I wouldn't discuss $$ per meet early on unless it is something that she brings it up before M&G. In many cases SBs prefer and appreciate quality time with SDs that provide lower allowances compared to creeps who are willing to spend more money.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for all the replies. I'm just going to go with the flow. If it doesn't work out, I'm fine with it. The chase is half the fun.

Hi sorry for non info post seeking assistance. I see many posts referring to "SA" I'm guessing this is not referring to the site "[URL]https://www.sa.org/[/URL]" aka Sexaholics Anonymous rather something which more along the line of the term seekingarrangement? Thanks in advance from a new guy.

LOL. Check [URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=WillyHost;3218707]Hi sorry for non info post seeking assistance. I see many posts referring to "SA" I'm guessing this is not referring to the site "[URL]https://www.sa.org/[/URL]" aka Sexaholics Anonymous rather something which more along the line of the term seekingarrangement? Thanks in advance from a new guy.[/QUOTE]

Not meaning to tread old ground, complaining about GPS, but two contacts recently provided odd / interesting data points.

MnG w / an absolutely true high fashion model, 20's, knockout, tall, Slavic like they all are. SA username includes Lula. I asked her the craziest offer she'd had and she replied 8 K / mo. However, she said no b / c he was a creep. I'm a nice guy, she said she liked me, invited me over. Hmm. She said we should have a trial date before concluding an arrangement. I offered 800, and she turned me down - 1000 was her minimum. Not broken-hearted. I didn't feel any connection w / her.

Messaging today w / a 21 YO girl Ashley0895. She complains she can't find any guys she connects w / on SA, but thinks I'm nice. We're talking about meeting, and she wants to know what's possible. I direct her to the lifestyle on my profile (hers is Negotiable). The reply? Not good enough. She claims two friends get 10-15 k / mo, and one GF got a deposit put on a house (whatever that means. To buy? To rent? Vastly different). Finally she comes out with: "I know what I'm looking for is out there. " My reply was of course, I don't believe you, and if that guy is out there, go for it, girl. But, her complaint she couldn't find a 'connection' was actually that she couldn't find a guy who would pay insane amounts.

[QUOTE=WillyHost;3218707]Hi sorry for non info post seeking assistance. I see many posts referring to "SA" I'm guessing this is not referring to the site "[URL]https://www.sa.org/[/URL]" aka Sexaholics Anonymous rather something which more along the line of the term seekingarrangement? Thanks in advance from a new guy.[/QUOTE]Also, you might want to make use of this resource, right here on the Richmond thread (below this one on the list).

[B]Sugarbaby Thread Highlights, Index, and FAQ[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3218924]I offered 800, and she turned me down - 1000 was her minimum. Not broken-hearted. I didn't feel any connection w / her.

I direct her to the lifestyle on my profile (hers is Negotiable). The reply? Not good enough. She claims two friends get 10-15 k / mo, and one GF got a deposit put on a house (whatever that means. [/QUOTE]That 800 was just one date? Perhaps she could come around again, but prolly has idiot HW types that will over pay.

The second one might just come back later or be one to check in with in a month or so. She needs to learn that: 1) her friends are lying and / or 2) there are VERY fee dudes making down payments on RE and shs can make good money at $200 per date. GPS either learns or doesn't. It is kinda fun when they come back later and agree to the lower amount.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3219578]That 800 was just one date? Perhaps she could come around again, but prolly has idiot HW types that will over pay.

The second one might just come back later or be one to check in with in a month or so. She needs to learn that: 1) her friends are lying and / or 2) there are VERY fee dudes making down payments on RE and shs can make good money at $200 per date. GPS either learns or doesn't. It is kinda fun when they come back later and agree to the lower amount.[/QUOTE]Yep, I don't know why I picked that number, it was on the spur of the moment and I hadn't planned in advance, it seemed very generous to me. I'll say something I said to #2 regarding #1 - that old joke - 'would you sleep w / me for a million dollars?' what I learned about the model is that she won't sleep w / anyone at that crazy offer, but she specifically said she would do me for 1000 - that would be 4 K / mo for once / week, the amount someone w / a SO like me can get away from home for, and she hosts, so no hotel costs or risks. Showing how crazy #2 is. 10-15 K for college girls who probably don't know much about sex? I don't think so.

I honestly don't think she'll be coming back at me. She was pretty negative in her last message and I just blocked her. I've had contact w / other young ones here in OC who had the same attitude - 'I just can't find the right guy' 'money has been a problem with everyone I've messaged' - and the 'problem' is they are expecting those crazy #s.

The model probably does have a reasonable evaluation of what she can get, I just can't / don't want to pay it.

Not every gal who has high expectations -- especially relative to HWG's low ball strategies -- is about GPS.

A lot of it is about them keeping up the masquerade that they aren't escorts.

One recent GND, masters degree type drowning in student debt was pretty straight forward -- she does not want lavish gifts or experiences, just a nice dinner out and the ability to cover the monthly $1 k student loan payment. So she is looking for someone to meet 2-3 x a month for $4-500 per. Seeing someone regularly feels less whorish.

You have to play into the mindset -- when called for -- it can go along way and can easily turn those looking for LT into a fun fling.

The flip side to GPS is moderate expectation serial cock gobblers. Met a seemingly nice GND type, agreed to $500 for a full afternoon of fun. Over the course of her time together, she made it quite clear, she has no intention of working a 9-5 job so long as she has the looks and appetite for cock that can land her 4-5 dates a week and she would be happy to work me in to the rotation whenever our sdchedules permitted. NTY -- one of the appeals of SBs is the illusion that she was not gargling with some other guys cum earlier in the day within the past 24 hours!

You find the profile of the Whole Foods cashier you've been flirting with for a few weeks on SA. Asking her out next time I'm in her line. .

I think it may be a good year!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3219770]You find the profile of the Whole Foods cashier you've been flirting with for a few weeks on SA. Asking her out next time I'm in her line. .

I think it may be a good year![/QUOTE]Had been flirting with the cashier at the new costco. Young, thin, pretty -- no boobs, but I can overlook that.

One days she she is sporting a diamond fleck engagement ring. I ask "who is the lucky guy?" She points to the dumpy African American girl working the next register and says "Her, we met here at work".

At least I know the cute little redhead asst manager of the bank across the parking lot has a boyfriend, but at Christmas I asked if she was on the Naughty or Nice list and she said "always on the Nice list, without even blushing. " Should have asked if she wanted to change that!