"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3209695]JMHO but if you truly feel you have something to lose by playing in the bowl or hobby then you need to find a different hobby. If your worried about losing the SO then get out cause unless she is stupid, just doesn't care, or has her own fwb on the side, sooner or later your going to get caught. If its your assets your worried about then take the hit and get out. Both will be much happier in the long run and you don't have to do all the secret squirrel crap written about here. No one that has something that they truly don't want to lose puts himself in a situation to lose it. If you want to blame it on addiction then get help. But wait you have to want help before it works. Usually most don't get help till they hit rock bottom and wait for it Lose everything.

Pretty simple not rocket science.[/QUOTE]JL saved me from replying in detail, and said most of what I would. You sang the same song about another of my posts, and I explained to you in a PM the special reasons I am in the bowl. You ignore those facts in crapping on my post. Not very brotherly.

BTW, JL, your mailbox is full. If you could make a little space we'd appreciate it.

What's experience w / bringing a baby back? Some may recall my first, ModelMILF, truly a wet dream. Ended in October. I was in her territory over the holiday and shot her an email a day ahead, seeking only coffee / happy hour. This could have gone bad, of course, but she replied only sweetly how much she would like to meet.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3210444]JL saved me from replying in detail, and said most of what I would. You sang the same song about another of my posts, and I explained to you in a PM the special reasons I am in the bowl. You ignore those facts in crapping on my post. Not very brotherly.

BTW, JL, your mailbox is full. If you could make a little space we'd appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Sorry but you have never sent me a pm. I really don't care what ones reason is for playing in the bowl or the hobby. Don't take post personally and I like most have an opion which I give the same as you do. I try and give real life advice that is helpful and if anyone takes offense they shouldn't. Give your opinion and move on. I use what info is useful and ignore the rest. If that's to hard to do then there is always the ignore button that A2 and others like to refer to. I personally just scroll by the ones that I have no use for. Again opinions can be given by anyone and not everyone is going to agree on certain things.

Been talking to this girl in Lynchburg. Got her off SA after about 13 messages and she wanted to talk on Kik so I was cool with that.

We've been chatting a bit over the holidays. She's coming back to college on Jan 7, and she's said she's looking forward to meeting soon. 99.999% sure she is legit just based on the conversation and even though she's in NYC right now, she knows about things in Lynchburg. Thing is, we haven't really discussed any kind of arrangement yet, but we've been messaging back and forth, sharing some pics of what we're doing, talking about out day, getting to know each other etc.

I want to bring up the sexual part of the arrangement, but I'm not sure how to since I didn't do so early on. Am I doomed? What do you all recommend?

One of the key goals I have set for myself in 2017 is to improve my overall sexual health. I'm currently overweight by 15 pounds. And, my body fat is in low 20's. I'd like to bring it down to mid-teens. As regards sexual performance I'd like to improve upon the endurance so I can keep going at it longer as well as shoot for multiple pops. Now, I have a general idea that improving heart health would improve one's sexual health. But I would like to know more specifics. For one, I want to ask the seniors here as to what specific conditioning exercises have given the most bang for the buck in the bowl. Two, what about diet? Does a low carb diet help one get better sex? And, I enjoy masterbation 3-4 times a week. Is there any correlation on one's one's sexual performance. Ofcourse, I use V from time to time and I can't undermine its benefits. However, I want V to supplement what I could perhaps naturally improve upon. Thanks brothers.

I lost 40 lbs last year doing low carb. I had the hardest erections of my life when I was very strict. I did end up gaining 20 lbs back for a net loss of 20 lbs, but I'm going to try to lose 30 total this year, putting me around 175.

When I've cut my masturbation down to 1-2 time per week, rather than daily, and use a Fleshlight, I perform much better with providers. I have a bit of a "death grip" issue, and it got to the point where I couldn't even feel when I was inside sometimes.

V helps a lot with that though. I actually get it from ADC and I get the 100 MG "Manly" branded generic. It works freaking great for me and makes it easier to go 2 pops in an hour. Shipping takes 3 weeks to VA though, and you have to be home to sign for it, which sucks. But it's legit.

Good luck on your goals. Last year I lost 8-10 lbs per month doing strict low carb <20 g per day.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3212813]One of the key goals I have set for myself in 2017 is to improve my overall sexual health. I'm currently overweight by 15 pounds. And, my body fat is in low 20's. I'd like to bring it down to mid-teens. As regards sexual performance I'd like to improve upon the endurance so I can keep going at it longer as well as shoot for multiple pops. Now, I have a general idea that improving heart health would improve one's sexual health. But I would like to know more specifics. For one, I want to ask the seniors here as to what specific conditioning exercises have given the most bang for the buck in the bowl. Two, what about diet? Does a low carb diet help one get better sex? And, I enjoy masterbation 3-4 times a week. Is there any correlation on one's one's sexual performance. Ofcourse, I use V from time to time and I can't undermine its benefits. However, I want V to supplement what I could perhaps naturally improve upon. Thanks brothers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3212772]Been talking to this girl in Lynchburg. Got her off SA after about 13 messages and she wanted to talk on Kik so I was cool with that.

[/QUOTE]Can one stay anonymous using KIK? I thought it was tied into one's real phone number and thus made one traceable ultimately? Figured that was why the scammers on CL used it, just another method of generating sources for spam & phishing? Never used it so asking.

I am sure many people have seen girls who put something about Netflix in their profiles. I come to learn from reading an article on online dating in Consumer Reports that for GenX, Netflix and chill means basically getting together indoors, presumably at one or the other's place, for a simple hook-up. Perhaps this can be a helpful indicator for girls who don't need to be wined / dined, who really do just want sex, and they use SA to filter.

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3212772]Been talking to this girl in Lynchburg.

Thing is, we haven't really discussed any kind of arrangement yet

I want to bring up the sexual part of the arrangement, but I'm not sure how to since I didn't do so early on. Am I doomed? What do you all recommend?[/QUOTE]As far as the sexual part goes, just play it by ear. Invite her to meet for a drink and then if that goes well, invite her to go to a room with you. The best scenario is where she doesn't mention money at all and you slip a couple of Bens into her purse after an amazing round of sex and before she leaves. Otherwise, at some point SHE will bring up the arrangement. Make it clear that there is no sugar until the panties hit the floor! NEVER agree to pay for a Meet & Greet! EVER! There is a fine line here- guys want to know what they are getting into up front and a girl doesn't want to feel like a hooker- being mercenary about the money. The focus of the money should be as "help" for her: books, tuition, rent, phone bill or whatever. You both know what is wanted, just don't mention that while talking about the "help!

Look, a girl that is a pro or experienced (serial) SB isn't going to do a M&G without asking about money. (Why waste time on a dude that is cheap, doesn't get it or isn't serious / tire kicker) Usually most will ask during the M&G before things progress to the FC. If they don't they are probably new or very trusting! So the act of taking this from a fantasy on the internet to real life usually focuses the attention. Oh, and another thing is, IF she's a teen or 20-something, there is a good chance she could flake on your M&G, reschedule or get cold feet. Have seen that frequently: the game gets real and they have a flash of conscience, get scared or something else comes along. Don't get the impression that "standing someone up" carries much negative social implications these days.

So it sounds like you have done a good job so far. (hope you haven't given out too many personally identifying details!) Ease into it, take the next steps and see what happens! I bet the act of making this real changes things and you get down to brass tacks!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3213174]I am sure many people have seen girls who put something about Netflix in their profiles. I come to learn from reading an article on online dating in Consumer Reports that for GenX, Netflix and chill means basically getting together indoors, presumably at one or the other's place, for a simple hook-up. Perhaps this can be a helpful indicator for girls who don't need to be wined / dined, who really do just want sex, and they use SA to filter.[/QUOTE]FFA,

Great piece of information! I don't know about other brothers, but I did not make that connection, even though now that you say it, it is perfectly obvious and logical. I am going to put it into "trial mode" immediately.

Quick update for me: I have been active in the bowl for over seven years now, and for the past several years have focused on two main hometown babies, with the occasional one-off or threesome thrown in to keep things interesting.

That said, I have traveled a bit recently, and am anticipating a trip down to Nola with a stopover in Memphis on the way down and back at the end of the month, and am looking forward to enjoying several Road Babies as always. In fact, I am toying with the idea of changing my SA profile to say that I am based in a city a couple of hours from my actual location so that I can approach local babies as if I were coming in on business, essentially treating the situation like an On The Road fly-in. My thinking here is that I really don't want any more steady SBs, but I do crave, like most of us, variety, and if they know up front that I'll only "be in town on business" occasionally, thus no chance of it becoming a regular arrangement, it might make things simpler.

At least this is my theory. I have yet to put it into practice, but armed with Far's new piece of "code", I may move it to the front burner and see how it works.

As always, keep up the good work. Great to see all the new members posting and sharing. There is a Sugar Baby thread in the Chicago forum, but it is pathetic. This one, in my mind, continues to be the premier thread for open, civil and civilized discourse.

Hooray for us!

Scott.

Yes. I have used it to chat with couple of SA POTs. On this particular Kik account I was able to do so by providing a google voice phone number. I don't need to reveal the actual phone number to Google as long as I'm not using the actual phone to make or receive calls from the Google voice number.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3213142]Can one stay anonymous using KIK? I thought it was tied into one's real phone number and thus made one traceable ultimately? Figured that was why the scammers on CL used it, just another method of generating sources for spam & phishing? Never used it so asking.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, kik is safe. WhatsApp is the one that's tied to your phone #. Check out the Sudo app as well guys. Far easier than Google Voice and you can create a new number in seconds.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3213142]Can one stay anonymous using KIK? I thought it was tied into one's real phone number and thus made one traceable ultimately? Figured that was why the scammers on CL used it, just another method of generating sources for spam & phishing? Never used it so asking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomas247;3213353]Yeah, kik is safe. WhatsApp is the one that's tied to your phone #. Check out the Sudo app as well guys. Far easier than Google Voice and you can create a new number in seconds.[/QUOTE]Not trying to be difficult, but every time I go to install an App it wants permission to track my location, access to my camera or photos and other places on the phone that have nothing to do with the stated purpose of the App. So how can adding Apps to a phone registered in my real name be a good thing?

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3213437]Not trying to be difficult, but every time I go to install an App it wants permission to track my location, access to my camera or photos and other places on the phone that have nothing to do with the stated purpose of the App. So how can adding Apps to a phone registered in my real name be a good thing?[/QUOTE]Well, Kik wants to access your photos so you can send photos.

It wants to access your mic in case you want to record video or voice chat.

It wants to record location so that you can drop pins and let someone know where you are.

You don't have to allow it access to any of those things to actually use the app.

[QUOTE=Lebruno;3212813]One of the key goals I have set for myself in 2017 is to improve my overall sexual health. I'm currently overweight by 15 pounds. And, my body fat is in low 20's. I'd like to bring it down to mid-teens. As regards sexual performance I'd like to improve upon the endurance so I can keep going at it longer as well as shoot for multiple pops. Now, I have a general idea that improving heart health would improve one's sexual health. But I would like to know more specifics. For one, I want to ask the seniors here as to what specific conditioning exercises have given the most bang for the buck in the bowl. Two, what about diet? Does a low carb diet help one get better sex? And, I enjoy masterbation 3-4 times a week. Is there any correlation on one's one's sexual performance. Ofcourse, I use V from time to time and I can't undermine its benefits. However, I want V to supplement what I could perhaps naturally improve upon. Thanks brothers.[/QUOTE]Think of your heart as the power supply for your dick, so basically intense cardio is probably going to give you the most bang for the buck while fucking (in terms of erection performance and overall physical endurance). Running is one of the more intense cardio activities (or at least it can be depending on how fast and for how long a duration). Someone once said the longer and harder you run the longer and harder you'll be. If your body is not used to very intense workouts you should plan on working up to it slowly, this applies to anything not just running. 15 lbs over probably won't take you very long to lose depending on many factors, but keep in mind until the weight is gone you shouldn't run as intensely as possible, 15 extra lbs is actually a lot of extra weight to lug around and can increase your chance of injury. Weight training is essential too, it helps boost your testosterone. Again though if you're not used to working out regularly, your initial challenge is probably going to be resisting the urge to overdo it while you get started. Start slowly and work your way up. If I were 15 lbs over, I'd probably go for lighter jogging (meaning sustained heart rate in the "weight loss" range rather than intense cardio for not too long a duration), and high-repetitions with lower weight amounts. Then by the time you get between 4-5 lbs of your target body weight, increase the intensity (faster running, longer durations). Your risk of injury is lower once you've gotten the first 10 or so lbs off so you can turn it up a bit. With weights your goal here is just to maintain proper form, don't do anything that results in an injury or pain beyond mild muscle fatigue and soreness. The purpose here is not to go for measurable strength increases, gain muscle mass or anything like that. For purposes of banging girls the reason to do it is because of the benefits of higher testosterone production, and you don't have to take crazy risks to do that. There are a lot of different ways to work out that would get you to the same place but cardio is key one way or another.

Diet gets really subjective because of individual preferences, so I'll just say there's a lot of good info on diet on the net. Fish & poultry, veggies, fruits, etc. If I'm feeling 3-4 pounds over where I want to be, I'll eat something like a broiled salmon salad after a workout and it seems like I'm back to my ideal self. Even wearing an extra 5-6 pounds and I can start to feel the hit on my sex life. Once you get where you want to be you can usually stray a bit as long as you work out a few times a week. Your body just kind of accepts that you're committed to working out regularly at some point, and just won't fall too far out of shape even if you eat pizza and beer occasionally.