The Rat Trap

[QUOTE=Gslvs69;6701483]Very well stated. It is simple economics. The price of everything and I repeat everything is determined by what someone else is willing to pay.

GS.[/QUOTE]People blame inflation and what not for the up cost. Yeah that can be said for groceries and rent but not this. WE and only US control the pricing, if a girl gets GPS it's because, like he said, someone put it in her head that she is worth more. And most of the time that's not even the case.

I'm having a hard time finding a companion down here on vacation (granted I'll take some of the blame since I didn't pay for a rental car, not being able to do outcall has cost me a few times already) but I figured a vacation spot would have ample opportunity.

Nope, got nothing. Unless I want to fork over what I believe is GPS pricing.

[QUOTE=YoungOne23;6703060]People blame inflation and what not for the up cost. Yeah that can be said for groceries and rent but not this. WE and only US control the pricing, if a girl gets GPS it's because, like he said, someone put it in her head that she is worth more. And most of the time that's not even the case.

I'm having a hard time finding a companion down here on vacation (granted I'll take some of the blame since I didn't pay for a rental car, not being able to do outcall has cost me a few times already) but I figured a vacation spot would have ample opportunity.

Nope, got nothing. Unless I want to fork over what I believe is GPS pricing.[/QUOTE]Not trying to throw this topic fullly into economics lessons, but that's the same as any other commodity. You pay more because others are willing to pay more. If the price of Swiss cheese goes up, and the public in general rejects that price save for the few "cheese simps" out there, the price will either lower or the Swiss cheese sellers will have to rely on a very small customer base.

Bottom line is, one or two overpayers aren't going to drive up prices in an open market. They may be stupid for their spending habits, but the market price is going to stay where the average buyer controls it. It's no different than if a bunch of guys start haggling the price down all the sudden. The price isn't going to lower. It will still remain at the average, and some buyers will offer less and get a sale, others will not.

I can understand GPS if a provider is only seeing a few clients a month and one or two overpay. But in the AMP market or the regular escort market (where this complaint seems to have started from) the law of averages based on the volume of their business keeps those few over-payers (and hagglers) from driving the price either way. I don't think it's worth bitching about, honestly.

So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.

Although in theory the idea is sound, the problem in reality is that there is anonymity for the Monger. There are no photos or anything for the providers to share and write with. Mongers can change their name, and their #s. So, how would a provider share information reliably?

Also, then comes the question of how to trust what the providers share? - Unless 2 providers know each other very well: Considering mental histories: How could one provider trust the words of another?

Being moral and upright for a monger is good to have, but in this line of biz, can we really expect that? Morality and righteousness?

SG.

[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;6716522]So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StainGlass;6716996]Although in theory the idea is sound, the problem in reality is that there is anonymity for the Monger. There are no photos or anything for the providers to share and write with. Mongers can change their name, and their #s. So, how would a provider share information reliably?

Also, then comes the question of how to trust what the providers share? - Unless 2 providers know each other very well: Considering mental histories: How could one provider trust the words of another?

Being moral and upright for a monger is good to have, but in this line of biz, can we really expect that? Morality and righteousness?

SG.[/QUOTE]There is a small and growing group with a den mother.

They share names, numbers and descriptions.

And.

The UTRs complain to their gates who put them on ignore lists.

They categorize us as Number Collectors, Photogs, Window Shoppers, Pen Pals, Assholes / Creeps, Tourists and Regulars.

A good gate will keep up with their lists and put you on the ignore list for getting new numbers and some of the gates talk to each other.

Some of the girls will send A head shot, some won't.

UTRs are told if I ever see a head shot of them it should be taken by her next gate.

If you want more pictures than are already provided you can pay for them.

That separates the time wasters.

Also.

We get good reviews also. Nothing specific, just whether they like you or not. Those guys get put into backchanneks and are first in line for any new girl or when an elusive girls drops back in for a minute. It pays to keep your face clean.

[QUOTE=StainGlass;6716996]Although in theory the idea is sound, the problem in reality is that there is anonymity for the Monger. There are no photos or anything for the providers to share and write with. Mongers can change their name, and their #s. So, how would a provider share information reliably?

Also, then comes the question of how to trust what the providers share? - Unless 2 providers know each other very well: Considering mental histories: How could one provider trust the words of another?

Being moral and upright for a monger is good to have, but in this line of biz, can we really expect that? Morality and righteousness?

SG.[/QUOTE]Mongers can change their names, but they lose their seniority status and all the content the UTR providers use to validate them. So, sure. A monger can still ghost on this site, but doing so burns them as well. I think most of us value our reputations on here enough that we'd choose to keep our name and clear up any issues we might have caused.

Case in point: The monger in question chose to do the right thing and make amends with that provider. I've heard from both parties involved. I won't be giving out his name because he appears to have seen his error and is fixing it.

As far as providers and their mental status, thats a valid point. There are some providers out there who might try to abuse a system and leverage someone’s status. I think we as a group would be able to see thru that though.

But if they have receipts about the concern I think they should have a place to air their grievances and if it turns out the monger has a valid defense, they can bring it. It might turn out that a discussion online will sort out wrinkles in communication for either side.

[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;6716522]So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.[/QUOTE]Great post, if we don't take care of the good ones we won't have any good ones.

Another point to consider is that when mongers are wasting all the girls bandwidth it prevents legit inquiries from getting through. Providers I know have shown me the endless list of texts they get sometimes. I have even experienced this when sharing info on providers I get 50 questions from interested mongers.

GS.

So many times I see a negative review and I decide to go check out a chick anyway because she peaked my curiosity. Sometimes the negative reviews are warranted, but I have also found the girl turns out to be pretty damn good! The same is true for ones that have great reviews and she sucks not in a good way. Sometimes I have also seen where some nut jobs in hobby will post shit about a girl because they don't want others to have her. Yes it does happen more than you think. Guys with multiple handles just causing shit for a girl for no reason then they are a nut job and maybe jealous. So my advice is sometimes give a chick a chance you might find your golden egg! I've had a few! Also don't always believe everything your read there are nutjobs that can cause havoc and run these girls through hell with bogus reports and fucking with them through multiple numbers and fake date setups. Not saying some don't deserve to starve and not get our money! I can name a few that should!

Now as we head into Christmas things slow down for our Favorite girls. If you have the means think about sending something random for Christmas! Some will give me shit for this advice as they haggle every penny they spend to put their cock in one of these girls. Maybe I'm messing up the pussyflation or causing some GPS. If you have the money and you have one you see on the regular send them a little something on the cash ap to help them out around Christmas. You might be surprised on how it comes back to you in the future. Maybe you don't get shit out of it. I have the means to do so and have taken care of a couple of my favs this Christmas! Maitland mom and Jenna are my two ATF girls from the UTR board. If you don't have the means and will miss the money don't do it. Save your $$.

Just some friendly advice! Take it or leave it. JB.

What a wonderful msg for the longer term. You rock.

This is very true for any longer term relationship to work. For ATFs, your goto lists. This is a treasure trove, and thanks definitely for bringing it up and reminding people that it is good to give, and the good notions. If this is done without any expectation. You would realize that the potential it comes back (IF it comes back, is many folds greater).

I wish we had some Emojis or +1 on these kind of beautiful posts.

SG.

[QUOTE=JohnyBig;6722930]So many times I see a negative review and I decide to go check out a chick anyway because she peaked my curiosity. Sometimes the negative reviews are warranted, but I have also found the girl turns out to be pretty damn good! The same is true for ones that have great reviews and she sucks not in a good way. Sometimes I have also seen where some nut jobs in hobby will post shit about a girl because they don't want others to have her. Yes it does happen more than you think. Guys with multiple handles just causing shit for a girl for no reason then they are a nut job and maybe jealous. So my advice is sometimes give a chick a chance you might find your golden egg! I've had a few! Also don't always believe everything your read there are nutjobs that can cause havoc and run these girls through hell with bogus reports and fucking with them through multiple numbers and fake date setups. Not saying some don't deserve to starve and not get our money! I can name a few that should!

Now as we head into Christmas things slow down for our Favorite girls. If you have the means think about sending something random for Christmas! Some will give me shit for this advice as they haggle every penny they spend to put their cock in one of these girls. Maybe I'm messing up the pussyflation or causing some GPS. If you have the money and you have one you see on the regular send them a little something on the cash ap to help them out around Christmas. You might be surprised on how it comes back to you in the future. Maybe you don't get shit out of it. I have the means to do so and have taken care of a couple of my favs this Christmas! Maitland mom and Jenna are my two ATF girls from the UTR board. If you don't have the means and will miss the money don't do it. Save your $$.

Just some friendly advice! Take it or leave it. JB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;6716522]So we all hate it when a provider strings us along and wastes our time and resources. It's happened to all of us. They pester us for deposits and / or "verification" pictures. We waste hours of time driving to a location and get ghosted, sometimes after having given some money and / or pictures, sometimes not.

But either way it pisses us off when we get ghosted or cancelled last minute because we lost out on time / money and got nothing to show for it.

What do we do? We all go right to the Negative Escort reviews and put that girl on blast when it happens to us, right?

Well, what about the guys who string a provider along, cause her to lose hours of time, and pester her for pic after pic? Where does that provider get to go to put the monger on blast?

Reason I ask, is a provider whom I'm friends with had that happen today. She shared receipts with me, so I know it's true. A senior member who posts all over the state pulled this shit on her. Texted her incessantly asking for nudes, asked for special accommodation in regard to her schedule (she had to make arrangements for family stuff to make his appointment happen) and then cancelled last minute on her. That's bullcrap. I'm not going to name the member just yet. I'm going to PM him a link to this post.

I think he owes her an apology and maybe a little bit of compensation. But if it gets ignored, I think I'll post receipts so maybe he gets blacklisted on other UTR lists aside from this provider's. We need to make sure the girls we like to see aren't being treated like shit.[/QUOTE]So a regular provider of mine had another issue where a monger here stalled her for hours and pulled a complete no-show. Of course she sent receipts.

Come on guys, you're hurting these girls and you're keeping those of us who actually show up from being able to. She coulda been making money with me or someone else during the time she sat around waiting on you to show up or call or text.

That hurts her especially bad with it being the holiday season where girls are seeing less traffic. This girl lost out on another opportunity because the first guy was booked. Then the first guy (our monger) no-showed. Same deal, I'm going to give him time to make amends before I name names.

Like Johnny Big mentioned in the report just before mine, this is the time of year we should be looking out for the good ones. Giving a bit extra or just sending them a little gift money if you don't have time to visit them. If she is a Positive Review-level provider, we should try to take care of her in her slow season.

Look I get it. But it's just money and math. You are a limited time to make something happen, a limited amount of funds, your managing risk on a number of fronts. The only logical thing to do is have a number of conversations happening at once. I guarantee that hobbyist started out as a "these girls are real people and deserve respect," kind of dude. But after about four or five times getting stuck in various types of precarious situations, you do what you got to do. Once I'm in the room, I'm all about respect and humanity. But until we get to that point, this is a business. Business is about numbers and opportunity. Everyone is jockying for best position in a free market. You aren't going to put an end to this. You protect your time, your money, and your freedom at all costs. If you try to spend your time being a sweetheart in a coldhearted world, no one gets burned but you. Everyone has to protect themselves. Provider should know these signs and protect her time and shut it down. Easy peasy. John is a very common name.

[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;672]So a regular provider of mine had another issue where a monger here stalled her for hours and pulled a complete no-show. Of course she sent receipts.

Come on guys, you're hurting these girls and you're keeping those of us who actually show up from being able to. She coulda been making money with me or someone else during the time she sat around waiting on you to show up or call or text.

That hurts her especially bad with it being the holiday season where girls are seeing less traffic. This girl lost out on another opportunity because the first guy was booked. Then the first guy (our monger) no-showed. Same deal, I'm going to give him time to make amends before I name names.

Like Johnny Big mentioned in the report just before mine, this is the time of year we should be looking out for the good ones. Giving a bit extra or just sending them a little gift money if you don't have time to visit them. If she is a Positive Review-level provider, we should try to take care of her in her slow season.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EonBlues;6723910]Look I get it. But it's just money and math. You are a limited time to make something happen, a limited amount of funds, your managing risk on a number of fronts. The only logical thing to do is have a number of conversations happening at once. I guarantee that hobbyist started out as a "these girls are real people and deserve respect," kind of dude. But after about four or five times getting stuck in various types of precarious situations, you do what you got to do. Once I'm in the room, I'm all about respect and humanity. But until we get to that point, this is a business. Business is about numbers and opportunity. Everyone is jockying for best position in a free market. You aren't going to put an end to this. You protect your time, your money, and your freedom at all costs. If you try to spend your time being a sweetheart in a coldhearted world, no one gets burned but you. Everyone has to protect themselves. Provider should know these signs and protect her time and shut it down. Easy peasy. John is a very common name.[/QUOTE]I'll be honest, I've wasted a few girls' time. But at the end of the day, like you said; it's business. When the lock clicks I'm in simp mode, but until then, it's dog eat dog. I for one don't appreciate the poor communication from these girls that makes you not give two cares about their bottom line. Maybe they need to organize and clean that mess up collectively. When you send a message and don't get a reply until 3 hrs later. And when they message you back and you reply a couple SECONDS later and they don't answer until like 15-20 min later (and sometimes hrs later)? I mean seriously. I understand they have other dudes hitting them up but cmon, this is their business. This is their job. "I'm a business woman" LOL No other business operates with the customer service that these ladies give and not go out of business. Literally, the only people that respond right back when you message them are the scammers who will say they are in whatever city / state you tell them you're in that are trying to get you to give a "deposit. " Then there's the bait and switching that is rampant upon a lot of these girls. So whenever I reach out and I get a reply in less than a min, it's a red flag to me.

I show up to places knowing that they aren't going to be the ones in the pics, so I'm ready to bounce as soon as I see they catfished me. When they start acting with integrity, I'll follow along. Again, I'm all about treating them like they are people just like everyone else, there are even a couple that I would even date if they gave up this life, but overall, they have to do better not wasting our time before mongers give them the benefit of the doubt.

[QUOTE=SingleStroller;6724115]I'll be honest, I've wasted a few girls' time. But at the end of the day, like you said; it's business. When the lock clicks I'm in simp mode, but until then, it's dog eat dog. I for one don't appreciate the poor communication from these girls that makes you not give two cares about their bottom line. Maybe they need to organize and clean that mess up collectively. When you send a message and don't get a reply until 3 hrs later. And when they message you back and you reply a couple SECONDS later and they don't answer until like 15-20 min later (and sometimes hrs later)? I mean seriously. I understand they have other dudes hitting them up but cmon, this is their business. This is their job. "I'm a business woman" LOL No other business operates with the customer service that these ladies give and not go out of business. Literally, the only people that respond right back when you message them are the scammers who will say they are in whatever city / state you tell them you're in that are trying to get you to give a "deposit. " Then there's the bait and switching that is rampant upon a lot of these girls. So whenever I reach out and I get a reply in less than a min, it's a red flag to me.

I show up to places knowing that they aren't going to be the ones in the pics, so I'm ready to bounce as soon as I see they catfished me. When they start acting with integrity, I'll follow along. Again, I'm all about treating them like they are people just like everyone else, there are even a couple that I would even date if they gave up this life, but overall, they have to do better not wasting our time before mongers give them the benefit of the doubt.[/QUOTE]I just I know I hate it when my time gets burned up by someone stringing me along making promises, and it sounds like you do too. We have a place where we can warn other guys when this happens. Not a black list or anything, just a spot where we can point them out and say "hey guys, this provider gave me the run-around or catfished or whatever". So other mongers can take that info and make up their own mind as to whether to chase after seeing that provider. But the providers on this forum don't have that. Not here anyway.

We've all made mistakes in this hobby. I don't think anyone needs to be burned at the stake if they messed up and caused an issue.

But, just like we like to know about providers who have a pattern of poor behavior, maybe they should have a way to see that too. That's all.

[QUOTE=Cocoacruiser;6723863]So a regular provider of mine had another issue where a monger here stalled her for hours and pulled a complete no-show. Of course she sent receipts.

Come on guys, you're hurting these girls and you're keeping those of us who actually show up from being able to. She coulda been making money with me or someone else during the time she sat around waiting on you to show up or call or text.

That hurts her especially bad with it being the holiday season where girls are seeing less traffic. This girl lost out on another opportunity because the first guy was booked. Then the first guy (our monger) no-showed. Same deal, I'm going to give him time to make amends before I name names.

Like Johnny Big mentioned in the report just before mine, this is the time of year we should be looking out for the good ones. Giving a bit extra or just sending them a little gift money if you don't have time to visit them. If she is a Positive Review-level provider, we should try to take care of her in her slow season.[/QUOTE]Update: the monger in question made amends.