Massage Parlor Reports

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I think you are full of shit and probably not a guy which is why I banned you.

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[QUOTE=Averily;4192998]We should be conscious of not propagating the bullshit that the media and authorities are peddling. I have never seen a case of "trafficking" in any AMP ever. That's if you think of trafficking in terms of unwilling participants in a sex trade with no will of their own. The workers are very active participants in their chosen trade.

Not saying you did this DangleMan, just urging people get perspective overall.[/QUOTE]Years back I talked to some Asians at an AMP on different occasions. I got bits and pieces from each one. But what it all boiled down to was this. They got them here but it costs them $xx, xxx amount they have to payback. I honestly can't remember but I thought it was high like 30 k or 50 k. Plus room and board. They nickel and dime them making it hard for them to get it paid off.

[QUOTE=XirCom;4192855]I concur, I've seen her many times and I don't mind her chatter.[/QUOTE]I noticed on her FB page that she has had four brain surgeries. There may be much more going on than anyone knows about. Just a bit of perspective, I guess.

[QUOTE=Fast69;4193200]Years back I talked to some Asians at an AMP on different occasions. I got bits and pieces from each one. But what it all boiled down to was this. They got them here but it costs them $xx, xxx amount they have to payback. I honestly can't remember but I thought it was high like 30 k or 50 k. Plus room and board. They nickel and dime them making it hard for them to get it paid off.[/QUOTE]This is consistent with what I have heard. Some have said they haven't seen their family in several years and while they try to put on a smiley face and look like willing participants, sometimes they have let out nonverbal ques that I later interpreted as sadness about being trapped. No doubt of of them are totally into it and actually like it. Also, I could have read into it way too much but either way, any place that traps these girls should be shut down. Call it indentured servitude or human traficking, I'm not so sure there is much of a practical difference. The girls in ferndale, however, are very much willing participants and can leave at any time. I dare say they often really enjoy their jobs.

Just my two cents.

In all my years of mongering, in different areas, different genres (AMPs, SWers, escorts, etc), I have never seen anyone chained up and forced with a gun to their head to provide services. Anyone I have ever seen has had the ability to walk away and straight to authorities if she choose to do so. Even the ones that claimed to be trafficked. I'm sure their situations are difficult to get out of as Fast says. But anyone can CHOOSE to walk if they want. Trafficking as we know it in our corner of the world is bullshit. I'm sure this will draw outrage from some unfortunately.

JD.

[QUOTE=Fast69;4193200]Years back I talked to some Asians at an AMP on different occasions. I got bits and pieces from each one. But what it all boiled down to was this. They got them here but it costs them $xx, xxx amount they have to payback. I honestly can't remember but I thought it was high like 30 k or 50 k. Plus room and board. They nickel and dime them making it hard for them to get it paid off.[/QUOTE]

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I can't believe how many of you guys are buying this noecon/4th wave feminist rap.

Pay attention, look at all these busts after six months NONE OF THEM end up with trafficking convictions, NOBODY in Orlando has even been charged with trafficking. It's always about elections.

Google "Jupiter Florida Mayoral Election"

Every time, without fail, you see these headline grabbing "trafficking" busts there's an election going on.

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That's one example. The many ones I know personally have come here on their own on a visitor or student visa. Then they stay and work. No loan payback, no indentured servitude. A young and smart girl could make 250 k a year cash. An average dumpy girl will make much less but still enough to send a relative fortune back home. They have their own community. They talk to each other. They have smartphones. They make choices. Don't believe the bullshit.

I'm talking about the regular AMP girls. I don't know about the FS places and I don't know about the escorts in the hotels and apartments.

[QUOTE=Fast69;4193200]Years back I talked to some Asians at an AMP on different occasions. I got bits and pieces from each one. But what it all boiled down to was this. They got them here but it costs them $xx, xxx amount they have to payback. I honestly can't remember but I thought it was high like 30 k or 50 k. Plus room and board. They nickel and dime them making it hard for them to get it paid off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Averily;4193348]That's one example. The many ones I know personally have come here on their own on a visitor or student visa. Then they stay and work. No loan payback, no indentured servitude. A young and smart girl could make 250 k a year cash. An average dumpy girl will make much less but still enough to send a relative fortune back home. They have their own community. They talk to each other. They have smartphones. They make choices. Don't believe the bullshit.

I'm talking about the regular AMP girls. I don't know about the FS places and I don't know about the escorts in the hotels and apartments.[/QUOTE]Given my status and the delayed posting, had I the ability to edit my previous post, I would. I tend to agree with Averily on this.

[QUOTE=Novi123;4153201]I was driving down Wixom, and at the corner of Wixom and West there was a parlor that I had never noticed before. I had a dream that night that I visited there. Standard. 7 cost for an hour with a. 4 h / e, but there was one notable thing: the beds were heated! Anyone else dream of that place? It had a generic name like "Massage".

Also, I hear M1 has a new girl who is a bit overweight, does anyone have a first name she goes by?[/QUOTE]So I decided to check this place out for the first time.

Accordion doors and curtains had me thinking this would not end well.

Good massage with nice teasing so I started thinking the ending could be good after all.

Sadly, not to be. She told me to diy which I flat out refuse to do. Tried to gently get her to do it, but she said she can't and commented on too much LEO out there. She offered to help so I asked how. She offered gentle massage on tummy and inner thighs. I again said no. She said sorry. Finished up the massage and again offered her help if I did it diy. No thanks.

But now I'm wondering. Do you think I should have started diy and then see if she gave more help than she offered? I'm thinking I may have missed out after all.

Anyone have a similar experience?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bench;4191822]Do you have contact information for her?[/QUOTE]This is Shelly in Clinton Twp. Area.

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[QUOTE=Wolverines66;4193434]So I decided to check this place out for the first time.

Do you think I should have started diy and then see if she gave more help than she offered? I'm thinking I may have missed out after all.

Anyone have a similar experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I haven't gone there yet, but I was considering it. I might not bother now, given your report. At least not for a while.

I've been to Traditional Massage near there on Pontiac Trail near Beck once before and my experience was a much more positive one that I plan on repeating. The massage was okay, but the lass was friendly & conversational, mostly about the place that I usually go to (she knows the workers there), no DIY hassle, need for negotiation or anything like that. Paid the usual. 7/. 4 on the way out. This was in December, before the Kraft thing in Florida and the Relax busts.

Maybe Star Moon and others might be a bit spooked and are just being cautious with new faces.

[QUOTE=Wolverines66;4193434]So I decided to check this place out for the first time.

Accordion doors and curtains had me thinking this would not end well.

Good massage with nice teasing so I started thinking the ending could be good after all.

Sadly, not to be. She told me to diy which I flat out refuse to do. Tried to gently get her to do it, but she said she can't and commented on too much LEO out there. She offered to help so I asked how. She offered gentle massage on tummy and inner thighs. I again said no. She said sorry. Finished up the massage and again offered her help if I did it diy. No thanks.

But now I'm wondering. Do you think I should have started diy and then see if she gave more help than she offered? I'm thinking I may have missed out after all.

Anyone have a similar experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]No sir you did the right move. I highly doubt anything else would've happened if you started the DIY. The 2nd time I ever went to a parlor several years back. Same thing happened to me. I started on the DIY. I felt stupid after I finished. I could've done that shit at home. And the rookie I was she asked for 40 tip and I gave it to her. I'm sure everyone has had different experiences but based on all the DIY's I've read on the forums. You def made the right call.

[QUOTE=Wolverines66;4193434]So I decided to check this place out for the first time.

Accordion doors and curtains had me thinking this would not end well.

Good massage with nice teasing so I started thinking the ending could be good after all.

Sadly, not to be. She told me to diy which I flat out refuse to do. Tried to gently get her to do it, but she said she can't and commented on too much LEO out there. She offered to help so I asked how. She offered gentle massage on tummy and inner thighs. I again said no. She said sorry. Finished up the massage and again offered her help if I did it diy. No thanks.

But now I'm wondering. Do you think I should have started diy and then see if she gave more help than she offered? I'm thinking I may have missed out after all.

Anyone have a similar experience?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Been there several times, standard H / E place. So what happened to you has happened to me before at other places over the years. So what I do to assure them I'm not L / E is when they are massaging me and are standing directly in front of my head I grab there ass with both of my hands and massage it. Then on the flip I make sure to grab the ass again and rub there tits if allowed. If they still say you do it yourself I just grab there hand and put it on my crotch then they smile and finish the job. Works every time.

Anyone questioning whether there have been convictions can use this thing called google. Not sure how it works but if you enter 3 words, "sex trafficking convictions" it does not come up blank. DOJ data and everything.

[blue]Indeed, this is one of them. Three of the guys who were arrested and described as rapists and human traffickers during the Bellvue bust two years ago.

[url]https://patch.com/washington/bellevue/3-league-extraordinary-gentlemen-johns-suing-king-county[/url]

I think a few of you guys have issues with what you do and need it to be much more sordid than it is. It reminds me of something this hooker told me once "I was surprised to find out that a lot of the guys who came to see me wanted to feel bad about what they were doing."

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Just in case anyone cares, Longevity at 14 & Haggerty has been closed for some time now. Saw the boss today doing some work cleaning up or renovating maybe. I didn't have the chance to go ask him.