"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Varoom;1405878]Post # 89: 'The most reliable one so far was the old ugly fat one of course'[/QUOTE]Oh the best part of Post #89.

"I went out with the guy who had shorted me (the $280 instead of $300) He promptly gave me an envelope with my $500, plus an extra $50 to make up for the $20 from before, so he is legit. We had a very nice dinner, again nothing physical, though I did give him a kiss on the cheek. He did hint that "next time" he would want things to get more "intimate" so I think I will pull the plug on him, but I'm happy with over $800 for a few hours work."

Perhaps the title should be " SBs IN Hell " Thanks guys for that interesting window into the empty minds of the underclass. I suppose some SDs come across looking pretty pitiful as well (of course none on this site!)

Most women who are offering up their bodies to men for money have serious men / sex issues. The psych journals are full of reasons for this but unfortunately girls are prey for men in their world, from parents, step relatives, uncles, family friends, foster dads, etc. The list goes on. Imagine how much attention a young girl entering puberty gets at school and at home. If her caregivers are abusive, drunks, sickos then they can easily be manipulated, used, and thus scarred for life. It's interesting that many girls choose to " punish " men by doing the very thing that got them in trouble in the first place. Ask your hooker friends that you have gotten to know a little bit. Most of them I talked to have been abused.or ignored.by a male figure in their life. So sad! The stripper site is probably the worst of the worst since these girls are paraded in front of men every shift and pawed and leered at for a few bucks here and there.

All we can do to help them (other than not abet this system) is to treat them with respect and try to make them feel appreciated for the woman they are and not just a sex machine. But in the end we too are here for the sex.

Gentlemen,

We must remember that the women on this site, which has been developed by strippers and for strippers to post on, are professionals who make money from men with their wits and bodies. This does not, in my mind, make them representative of all SBs, though we all have commented on our share of strippers and pros who are using the SB forum to broaden their pool of males.

That being said, I was struck at how similar, in fact, their posts are to many of the posts here on USASG. Our specific thread is the exception, not the norm. The one solid piece of intel that I took away from the 5 pages of postings was that to bring a small gift to your first "date", perhaps not the M&G, was a good idea. I will do this myself, and see if it doesn't reduce the time between initial interview and the FD.

My father used to say to us kids,"the only time you stop learning is when you're dead."

Scott

PS - if you want to read a blog by an SB who enjoys her life, here's the link: http://sugarbabystory.com/
I have a story to tell about her, but I don't have time right now. She is currently attending Grad school in a suburb of Chicago. Now remember, no outing anyone. I post this link for informational purposes only, and she must never know about our thread, ever.

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1405088]I need to get outside my comfort zone.

Regards,

Joe[/QUOTE]Joe,

Another way to phrase this, and perhaps it will help you to do so, is this: "I need to expand my comfort zone." To me, this is far less scary, and let's you proceed at your own pace. But, as has been said, you need to make it happen.

As for Scotch, JW Black worked for me in college, and still works these many years later, though I can't consume nearly as much as I could back then, which is probably a good thing.

Gorgeous weather here in Chi-town. Tight t-shirts and halter tops are everywhere. It's a good time to be a man.

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott;1406216]Another way to phrase this, and perhaps it will help you to do so, is this: "I need to expand my comfort zone." To me, this is far less scary, and let's you proceed at your own pace. But, as has been said, you need to make it happen.[/QUOTE]Thanks. This is very helpful way to think about it, and I can even use it in my civilian life too.

Thanks to all the pros for their posting and contribution. I am new as some of you know. And want to try it. My first one is just to meet for a coffee. What should I do? Should I take some gift (cash, gift card, flower, or something or not needed for coffee meet)? My first one. So will post it more after that.

I've only been fishing seriously for a week, and the SD gods have already fired a warning shot across my bow. I'm posting the details in hopes that it helps another newbie (or anyone for that matter).

Last Friday, potential employee #2 and I agreed to set an interview for tonight. Early this morning, I receive a text: "Hi, it's X. I have a question but am embarrassed to ask."

It turns out she is seriously behind on her rent and is being evicted today. What are the odds? She needs more than 2k to stop the proceedings.

I tell her, as politely as I can, that I am sorry for her predicament, but that I am not in a position to help. She asks whether it's because I don't know her, or because I don't have the cash. I tell her again that her request would require a huge upfront commitment on my part for someone I've never met. She counters that my taking care of this problem would engender significant goodwill "for a month or so."

I told her that I was sincerely sorry, that I think we got off on the wrong foot, and that we need to cancel our interview tonight.

I certainly have no idea if she is being truthful or not. She played the "divorced mom of three" card, which I know is true. (She uses her real email, so it was easy to find her on FB.) But it also is entirely possible she was trying to play me like a fiddle. Consider: red flag #1. She asked only after a few emails what amount I could give her each month. I told her it would depend on how well we hit it off, and even then, I prefer to provide sugar on a visit by visit basis. Then, today's red flag, which was more like a huge burning pile of red flags: the damsel in distress.

Even if she needs the help, I decided I can't be involved with someone so prone to drama.

Although I've lost a prospect, I consider today a moral victory of the big head over the little. Plus, there literally are other fish in the sea, including some already on my lines.

Stay smart, gentlemen.

Regards,

Joe

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1406642]I've only been fishing seriously for a week, and the SD gods have already fired a warning shot across my bow. I'm posting the details in hopes that it helps another newbie (or anyone for that matter).

Last Friday, potential employee #2 and I agreed to set an interview for tonight. Early this morning, I receive a text: "Hi, it's X. I have a question but am embarrassed to ask."

It turns out she is seriously behind on her rent and is being evicted today. What are the odds? She needs more than 2k to stop the proceedings.

I certainly have no idea if she is being truthful or not. She played the "divorced mom of three" card, which I know is true. (She uses her real email, so it was easy to find her on FB.) But it also is entirely possible she was trying to play me like a fiddle. Consider: red flag #1. She asked only after a few emails what amount I could give her each month. I told her it would depend on how well we hit it off, and even then, I prefer to provide sugar on a visit by visit basis. Then, today's red flag, which was more like a huge burning pile of red flags: the damsel in distress.

Even if she needs the help, I decided I can't be involved with someone so prone to drama.

Although I've lost a prospect, I consider today a moral victory of the big head over the little. Plus, there literally are other fish in the sea, including some already on my lines.

Joe[/QUOTE]Joe.

You have not lost a prospect, she most likely never was a viable one anyhow. I have encountered the 'I am being evicted / my cell phone is being turned of / my electricity is being cut of many many times" Just smile and walk away, the ones who don't give you this rubbish at the start are the ones concentrating on.

As I say SW SW SW NEXT some will, some won't, so what NEXT

Congratulations Joe, you are ahead of the game many of us have fallen prey to. Usually my damn-sels in distress wait a few visits to hook me emotionally then pull the eviction (fill in the blank here with any disaster) ploy. Unfortunately her story is probably true. This is one of my cardinal rules for Sugar Dating. Do not see Nando type 1 girls, who are impossibly impoverished down on their luck, needy women. This Money call would have been the first of many. Restrict your selection to Nando 3s, who are girls who do not need to rely on your Sugar for any support expenses, but use it for savings or frivolous extras.

My damsel in distress texted again this afternoon and put on a well-executed full court press. Knowing that I am a lawyer (one of only a couple of personal details I divulged) , she asked a number of questions about the eviction process. But it really boiled down to: I am out of time, have no grounds to appeal, and the sheriff could show up any day now. So, either she really is being evicted, or she's really up on her summary eviction procedures. Either way, she definitely is Nando1 material. It took quite some resolve, but I am pleased to say that I once again resisted her entreaties. My unwillingness to assist was made much easier by the fact that we've never met. I quake in fear at what I might have done had I known and cared about her.

I hereby vow to scrupulously follow the Gospel of Hernando and avoid all Nando1s in the future. The problem is that, like this one, it's not always obvious. We must carefully follow the clues.

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1406833]My damsel in distress texted again this afternoon and put on a well-executed full court press.[/QUOTE]This is a good example of why it's handy to use a Google Voice number for this sort of communication. You can add the girl's number as a contact then block that contact, and then you won't see her calls or texts anymore.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;1406963]This is a good example of why it's handy to use a Google Voice number for this sort of communication. You can add the girl's number as a contact then block that contact, and then you won't see her calls or texts anymore.[/QUOTE]I do use GV and only give out that number. Her second round of texts came before I had a chance to block her. But this is a good reminder to everyone of the benefits of that system. (Or a separate hobby phone, for that matter.)

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1406833]My damsel in distress texted again this afternoon and put on a well-executed full court press. Knowing that I am a lawyer (one of only a couple of personal details I divulged).[/QUOTE]Acknowledging one's profession to a baby, especially when there is a professional license, certification or other governmental or regulated industry designation at stake, seems that it might bear some extra risks. Of course tracking down 'one' lawyer might be tough, but if one had a few hints it could be narrowed down considerably. Each to their own, but it seems letting those know that sort of info even before you have met (or meat) them, could add even more risk to this hobby. (whakko's abound out there ya know). Just how I read it, so Joe take it for what it is worth, just a mild and friendly observation. V

Hi there,

Well, if I wasn't supposed to know about this so many of you shouldn't have visited my blog these past few days. You made me curious about the referral source. And well, as Scott mentioned, I am in grad school so you can assume I'm fairly smart and was able to track this down. I will admit I'm curious about who "Scott" is and have challenged him to email me privately and tell me. As a writer, I'm ecstatic that others are promoting my blog in a flattering way. I started it almost a year ago with the friends' encouragement and it's just kind of become my place to chat about the sometimes fun, sometimes crazy world that is the sugar bowl.

But for you guys:

First, I'm not offended by what I've read and am actually glad to see that the SD's and those curious about becoming SD's have a place to post and ask questions. We SB's are very good with our network and I feared you were falling behind us. There are a lot of fake and miserable "girls" posing as SB's out there. Be smart, protect yourselves.

Second, I hope those of you who read it, have found my blog interesting and that I was able to give you insight into one SB's world. No, I'm not a stripper, hooker etc. I am an educated, elegant Sugar Baby who very much enjoys my life. I've now had 3 longer-term SD's (on my third one now. And had some minor SD's in between) and love the friendship, mentoring, spoiling, and sex that comes from this world.

Lastly, if you have any questions feel free to contact me through here or on my blog. I'm happy to answer any questions and provide the SB point of view.

Keep talking between yourselves and if you ever start a fake SB thread let me know. I'd like to post it on my site. I truly want the reference page of my site to be a source for both Sugar Daddies & Sugar Babies. The more we all share and have a common understanding of this world, the more we all enjoy it.

But, as always, I'm just one babies opinion.

Sbaby.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1406210]Gentlemen,

We must remember that the women on this site, which has been developed by strippers and for strippers to post on, are professionals who make money from men with their wits and bodies. This does not, in my mind, make them representative of all SBs, though we all have commented on our share of strippers and pros who are using the SB forum to broaden their pool of males.

That being said, I was struck at how similar, in fact, their posts are to many of the posts here on USASG. Our specific thread is the exception, not the norm. The one solid piece of intel that I took away from the 5 pages of postings was that to bring a small gift to your first "date", perhaps not the M&G, was a good idea. I will do this myself, and see if it doesn't reduce the time between initial interview and the FD.

My father used to say to us kids,"the only time you stop learning is when you're dead."

Scott.

PS. If you want to read a blog by an SB who enjoys her life, here's the link:

[url]http://sugarbabystory.com/[/url]

I have a story to tell about her, but I don't have time right now. She is currently attending Grad school in a suburb of Chicago. Now remember, no outing anyone. I post this link for informational purposes only, and she must never know about our thread, ever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Varoom;1407034]Acknowledging one's profession to a baby, especially when there is a professional license, certification or other governmental or regulated industry designation at stake, seems that it might bear some extra risks. (whakko's abound out there ya know).[/QUOTE]I will have to concur with Mr. Varoom. There is zero reason a potential or even a steady SB needs to know your true profession. In this game, one can be whomever they desire to be and as long as the sugar deal is kept, what does it really matter.

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1406995]I do use GV and only give out that number. Her second round of texts came before I had a chance to block her. But this is a good reminder to everyone of the benefits of that system. (Or a separate hobby phone, for that matter.)[/QUOTE]This has been debated before and to each his own, but, the only benefit to Google Voice over a hobby phone is a measure of convenience. True, the babies don't have your "real" number but Google does and, it seems that if push comes to shove, Uncle could tie you to it. A long shot? Yes. Still a possibility? YES! A hobby phone can be deposed of quickly and cleanly with zero ties to anyone and replaced quickly. Even one thread is too many, IMHO.