Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

Admin2,

I want to say that I do not have contempt for my clients / friends, nor men in general. It may have come across that way to some and I apologize. As I said, the tone in emails, text, etc can be hard to read and all too often are taken the wrong way. Yes, you are entitled to your opinions, as we all are, and I am interested in reading them. Even if I do not always agree or don't always like them, I will always respect them and you.

I normally don't have issues with an appointment, it is rare. Here recently I have had a few guys show up and expect me to do anything, everything and not have a say otherwise. There are things that other providers do and enjoy that I do not. I do say no and I am entitled to do so. It is no secret as to what I do not do, it is known. It shouldn't be a problem. Also, respect shouldn't be an issue from them to me.

When posting what I did, I honestly and innocently thought I was providing tips / advice on what may make an appointment easier and more enjoyable for both the client and the provider. All too often, I read a bad review and I wonder if the guy did some of the things that I posted about and maybe if he had been easier, nicer, more respectful, the appointment would have flowed smoothly and both would have been happy in the end. Sometimes one simple thing can make everything else so much better.

I also do know that providers are not saints and we have our bad days. Even then, we should smile through them and be as accommodating as possible regardless of what has happened or we just shouldn't work. The men are not always the issue behind a bad appointment / flawed appointment. I do not want to seem like I am coming across as insinuating that.

I do have respect for my clients / friends. I do. Sometimes they show up and make me laugh, smile when I most need it. They provide to me an escape from everyday stress for me as well. For the time being, I can lock away all else and just have fun and experiment. They are enjoyable and they are fun. They respect me and I respect them. I do not ask questions, I do not hassle them through text, emails, etc. I simply be who they need me to be for the time that they are there until the next time we meet again.

Also, it is known that without them, I wouldn't be the strong single mom that I am. I wouldn't be able to pay my bills of which I fully pay on my own. I wouldn't have been able to take my daughter to Walt Disney World, Sea World, beach vacations, to Jamaica, Caymans or Mexico. I wouldn't be able to see them smile so big on Christmas morning or on their birthdays. Without my clients, I wouldn't have had any of that. I do respect them, I respect what they do for my children and I, and I appreciate them.

I do not have contempt for them.

I do forgive you for suggesting such. I know you didn't mean it and the tone was just taken the wrong way as I can see as being possible I suppose. Like I may have done with the first statement in your reply. See, things can easily be taken the wrong way, but they really aren't meant to come across that way at all.

Hugs and Kisses to you,

Dawn.

[QUOTE=Admin2; 1826345]Personally I don't like having the curtain pulled back. I don't want to know my bartenders personal problems, I don't want to know if my mechanic and his wife are having problems.

I accept Dawn's premise that providers are people, I always treat them with respect but when I'm paying the kind of money I pay for a session I expect their complete attention on MY pleasure, that's THE REASON I pay them, so that I can be selfish.

All that being said, yes I take a shower IMMEDIATELY before a session, yes I trim my nails because she's right scratches all up in there are bad news. Yes I respect a providers right to determine her limits and she can make them whatever she wants, this is without qualification, their bodies are THEIR bodies. I just want to know what those limits are before hand so I can determine my limits on voting with my wallet. CBJ only, fine, no BJ at all, fine, no back door action, ok, it's all ok, but I will probably go elsewhere faced with some of the above limitations.

I engage in the hobby because I want drama free pleasure, if I wanted to worry about the fun they are having, well, I've been married twice before. That doesn't mean I don't whip out some of my DATY from time to time but I'm certainly not obligated to do it, I do it if I feel like doing it. None of this doesn't mean I'm not friendly, kind, respectful, because I am, just as I'm friendly kind, respectful with my bartender, barber, mechanic, I'm friendly, kind, respectful with everybody given the chance.

Personally I want to be able to maintain the fantasy that when I'm not with them, they are preparing to be with me. Working out, getting their hair done, nails, shopping for panties, making out with their girlfriends, then when I call they fix their makeup and wait for me with breathless anticipation, because they think I'm so hot that if they didn't have bills to pay they would bang me for free. I know none of that is the truth, I know they have kids, and parent teacher conferences, and menstrual cramps, and bad days, I know all that stuff, I just don't want to hear about it. If I did, I wouldn't play in this arena, it's not that I can't pull, I can, it's that I WANT to be COMPLETELY selfish and I'm paying for that privilege.

Dawn I respect your right to post what you want to in this thread and I applaud honesty at all times however the underlying contempt you have for your customers was very evident in that post. It wouldn't have been your rules that would have put me off if I lived in Cincy. This isn't a flame, I appreciate your candor and there are LOTS of guys that get off being with providers that treat them with contempt, your call volume will most likely increase not decrease with that post.

One other thing, when did "any money that exchanges hands is for time only" actually become real and not a polite fiction to get past ad censors?

Not written in blue, this is A2 the monger, not A2 the godlike presence on the forum posting.

A2[/QUOTE]

But I would like to inspect it and other parts to see what may need cleaning up :<) Just your local SSC at the service of distressed damsels.

[QUOTE=Delicious Dawn; 1827085]In emails, texts, etc.

First, Admin2, may I broach something that kinda bothered me in your reply?

The first sentence regarding how you don't want to know your bartenders personal problems or if your mechanic and his wife are having problems, I took as you were suggesting that I gossip about unneeded information during an appointment. That is not what I do, it is not my style. Maybe you didn't mean that or didn't mean for it to come across that way.[/QUOTE]No ma'am that was an incorrect inference on your part. I used the example of a bartender, mechanic ect. To draw a parallel. While I moderate the board I see lots of guys describe providers in pretty negative terms, b1thces and hos, as examples. I also see providers that seem to think of themselves as women needing seduction with gift lists and exhaustive rules of expected comportment of their clients (far beyond the expected cleanliness which I think we are all in agreement is a requirement for a contact sport such as this) my point is providers are professionals providing a service. With any professional, bartender, mechanic, carpenter, whatever if they are good at their job I have respect for their labor, if they aren't then I sure as hell hope somebody tells me they don't know what they are doing before I give them my hard earned money.

I don't expect to have to buy some chocolates for my plumber, I expect him to fix my sink so it doesn't leak again, and I will pay him for his labor. While he is in my home I'll be nice to him, if I make coffee I'll offer a cup, but I'm not going to make coffee so I can offer it to him.

The same with a provider, I'm paying for the time so I can be treated like the guy that just saved the planet from aliens. I want her focused on my needs. Now when you, Silk, and Molly come visit me in Argentina so we can have spinner week at the mansion, that doesn't mean A2 won't have a selection of toys, ropes, chains, whatever it takes to reduce the three of you to quivering masses of gelatin, of course I will. But that is SELF SERVING, chicks that are digging the experience provide better service, this isn't my first rodeo, I know how it works. But ultimately its about ME and what I want. In my world, providers that understand that get repeat business, providers that don't, don't. I simply will not abide providers that do not understand this basic fact and start to view the things I do they find pleasure in as stuff I am REQUIRED to do. (again basic hygiene is something I am required to do)

I'm ranting again, and I apologize. Allow me to end with no ma'am I wasn't inferring that you are indiscreet. If my post somehow suggested that apologies.

A2

[QUOTE=Delicious Dawn; 1827087]I normally don't have issues with an appointment, it is rare. Here recently I have had a few guys show up and expect me to do anything, everything and not have a say otherwise. There are things that other providers do and enjoy that I do not. I do say no and I am entitled to do so. It is no secret as to what I do not do, it is known. It shouldn't be a problem. Also, respect shouldn't be an issue from them to me.

When posting what I did, I honestly and innocently thought I was providing tips / advice on what may make an appointment easier and more enjoyable for both the client and the provider. All too often, I read a bad review and I wonder if the guy did some of the things that I posted about and maybe if he had been easier, nicer, more respectful, the appointment would have flowed smoothly and both would have been happy in the end. Sometimes one simple thing can make everything else so much better.[/QUOTE]Apologies again honey, as I said before I misunderstood your tone and as was suggested you felt free enough in here to just be honest, my first reply was a bit harsh and shouldn't have been.

I think my perspective from living in a country where the hobby is legal is hampering my ability to communicate on this issue. I always forget that you guys can't be explicit up there before meeting the first time. Here when I call an independent the first time I just ask. If I feel like doing some back door action I ask, can I come in your mouth? I ask. Will you wear a monkey suit and let me tie you to the ceiling? I ask. If I go to a privado (bordello) I tell the receptionist "Just show me the girls that do A, B, C, (whatever I'm hungry for in the moment. If I'm not sure what I'm hungry for I just go and in the first couple minutes I ask what's not on the menu and go from there. It's just so much fucking easier.

Additionally with 35, 000 providers in the city they have motivation to exceed expectations because competition is fucking tough. I also am a pretty easy trick, I'm not into the three P's (pee, poop, or pain) and my "weirdest" bent is I dig chicks that like chicks, I especially dig chicks that like chicks wearing lingerie, in other words I'm pretty plain vanilla so I don't have a difficult time having great sessions.

It's all good between us, I appreciate your honesty and how you handle yourself in conflict here on the board. You're most definitely still invited for spinner week at the mansion!

[QUOTE=Delicious Dawn; 1827087]Admin2,

I want to say that I do not have contempt for my clients / friends, nor men in general. It may have come across that way to some and I apologize. As I said, the tone in emails, text, etc can be hard to read and all too often are taken the wrong way. Yes, you are entitled to your opinions, as we all are, and I am interested in reading them. Even if I do not always agree or don't always like them, I will always respect them and you.

Hugs and Kisses to you,

Dawn.[/QUOTE]Dawn's frankness and attitude are just two of the reason's she's one of my ATFs.

[QUOTE=Del Griffith;1827446]Dawn's frankness and attitude are just two of the reason's she's one of my ATFs.[/QUOTE]The lady is a breath of fresh air.

I would like to know what ADMIN has against some of the people on here. I will most likely be on his S- list after this post but I have to ask why he picks on only some and not all. I see a lot of hard returns on almost all the escort ad section, so why only pick on a few like Sassy Silk. Here is a copy of his work, but look at the other ads on that section and you will see what I am saying is true. There are almost all ads with a lot of hard returns. That is if he does not block or ban me for asking why?

Sassy Silky

Forum Advertiser.

Reports.

18.

Sassy Silky.

[Text with Unnecessary Hard Returns Deleted by Admin]

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was published with unnecessary HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text, resulting in the text being incorrectly broken up into separate, incomplete sentences.

There is NO NEED for any report to be written with HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text.

Solution #1: If you are adding these hard returns at the end of every line by using the ENTER key, then please stop doing that. Instead, simply allow the text to "wrap" automatically at the end of each line when typing. The ENTER key is only needed to separate individual paragraphs.

Solution #2: However, if the unnecessary hard returns were the result of you having pasted the text into the forum from another source (such as a news story) , then your option is to either edit out the unnecessary hard returns or don't paste the text.

Please do not post reports with unnecessary hard returns in the Forum. Thanks!

"Oh, you were finished! Well, allow me to retort."

The only posts I've ever even edited in this thread were about a particular prohibited topic, I've never deleted or castigated anybody for arguing.

Now let me explain why I did what I did.

Some advertisers return after every sentence, it's annoying but it's readable.

Like this;

"Hot young provider. 19.

Thick in all the right places.

I do blah, blah, and blah.

I don't do blah, blah, and blah."

They are essentially writting in bullet points, highlighting particular things they think will create a contact.

What Sassy did (and for the record I have nothing against this lady, she has made some minor technical mistakes, I issue the infraction which doesn't count against her at all, in any way, we only issue them so we can track patterns, and she doesn't do whatever it was again) was press return when whatever she was writing got to the edge of the screen on the device she was writing it on (most likely a phone) thereby breaking her sentences in an illogical manner making them hard to read.

Like this;

"Hey guys this is Sassy here, looking to.

Have some fun. I'm Cincy's new favorite.

Provider. I'm a low rules kinds of girl and.

I'm located in blah. Give me a call if you're.

Looking for the dream of a lifetime."

Don't you see how this is hard to read? What you posted kind of pissed me off because I just said something nice about her today and here you are saying I'm singling her out for punishment.

I've exchanged a few emails with the lady in question and without exception I've found her very easy to deal with. I wouldn't go so far as to say I like her and have invited her to join my virtual spinner harem in Sincy (I'm spelling it like that from now on) but I was thinking about it.

You may apologize at your leisure.

Notice you're not banned?

A2.

[QUOTE=Silverfly; 1828830]I would like to know what ADMIN has against some of the people on here. I will most likely be on his S- list after this post but I have to ask why he picks on only some and not all. I see a lot of hard returns on almost all the escort ad section, so why only pick on a few like Sassy Silk. Here is a copy of his work, but look at the other ads on that section and you will see what I am saying is true. There are almost all ads with a lot of hard returns. That is if he does not block or ban me for asking why?

Sassy Silky

Forum Advertiser.

Reports.

18.

Sassy Silky.

[Text with Unnecessary Hard Returns Deleted by Admin]

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was published with unnecessary HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text, resulting in the text being incorrectly broken up into separate, incomplete sentences.

There is NO NEED for any report to be written with HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text.

Solution #1: If you are adding these hard returns at the end of every line by using the ENTER key, then please stop doing that. Instead, simply allow the text to "wrap" automatically at the end of each line when typing. The ENTER key is only needed to separate individual paragraphs.

Solution #2: However, if the unnecessary hard returns were the result of you having pasted the text into the forum from another source (such as a news story) , then your option is to either edit out the unnecessary hard returns or don't paste the text.

Please do not post reports with unnecessary hard returns in the Forum. Thanks![/QUOTE]

All I could see was your info about useing hard returns. It did not say any thing about being in an unreadable format. I only used her ad, Sassy Silk, as an example of what I see on this forum. Not saying that you have any thing against her. But it does seam like you jump on some for minor things. And let others like PhatDaty say any thing they want with out even a mention of wrong doing. Back when I questioned a report you put me on S- list. All I ask was did he ever talked to the young lady that he said was a no show. Also was he, PhatDaty and Budda the same person? Those questions were never answered. But the young lady later told me that they are not the same person. I also know that when she left Budda that is when PhatDaty was ask by Budda to post about her misssed date. In checking I see that she was never listed as working the day her was to see her and she told Budda that she just did an overnight and was not working that day. So if I am wrong about defending some one, then I will always be wrong. Lets go after who needs it not the ones who do not. SORRY I got long winded, just had to say it all.

[QUOTE=Silverfly;1829257]All I could see was your info about useing hard returns. It did not say any thing about being in an unreadable format.[/quote]The redact text reads "This report was published with unnecessary HARD RETURNS at the end of every line of text, resulting in the text being incorrectly broken up into separate, incomplete sentences." Going on to say it was difficult to read is redundant,"incorrectly broken up into separate incomplete sentences" means it's hard to read.

[QUOTE=Silverfly;1829257]I only used her ad, Sassy Silk, as an example of what I see on this forum. Not saying that you have any thing against her. But it does seam like you jump on some for minor things. And let others like PhatDaty say any thing they want with out even a mention of wrong doing. Back when I questioned a report you put me on S- list. All I ask was did he ever talked to the young lady that he said was a no show. Also was he, PhatDaty and Budda the same person? Those questions were never answered. But the young lady later told me that they are not the same person. I also know that when she left Budda that is when PhatDaty was ask by Budda to post about her missed date. In checking I see that she was never listed as working the day her was to see her and she told Budda that she just did an overnight and was not working that day. So if I am wrong about defending some one, then I will always be wrong. Lets go after who needs it not the ones who do not. SORRY I got long winded, just had to say it all.[/QUOTE]So this is what you really wanted to talk about, your hard on against PD. I've said a 1000 times, PD is often a pain in my ass, I've told him on more than one occasion to stop being a pain in my ass, but you are unclear about the most basic premise of this forum, allow me to quote el Jeffe himself.

[quote]The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.[/quote]Jax doesn't write anything by accident, I've never seen anybody quite so obsessive compulsive when it comes to writing. He says EXACTLY what he means so lets break it down.

"The purpose of this forum" (It's Raison the'être in French) The reason it exists.

"Is to provide for the exchange of information between Men" Notice how it says between Men, and not people? While women are welcome to do somethings on the forum it's FOR the BOYS.

"on the subject of finding Women for sex." Pretty self explanatory to me.

You wanted to white knight some chick and you tried to enlist my help to do it. I don't do that. Men on this forum, as long as they stay within the posting guidelines, may say pretty much whatever the fuck they want about the providers they see. They can't say they have STD's or have been arrested, they can't say they want to harm them, we have a whole host of things they can't say.

What you wanted me to do was support the version of events that the provider who has your balls in her pocket wanted. I'm not saying she's lying, I'm not saying he was. You did when you said he and Buddah were the same guy, I'm saying I don't care who was right. If the chick cancels a lot of sessions, she will get a reputation for unreliability, if it only happened to PD, maybe it was a one time thing, maybe he was pissed at her for not giving up BB Anal (don't pop a cork PD, it's an allegory) I don't know, and more importantly you don't either because you weren't there.

At the end of the day hoss it's pretty fucking simple, come here, read about girls you want to fuck. Go fuck those girls. Then come back here and write about the girls you have fucked. Leave this type of stupid drama on the playground.

I shouldn't have edited my post last night.

A2

How do some guys get this involved with a lady that this is nothing more than a money gain for them.

I too have fallen myself for this dumb shit. All I can tell you is not all but most will tell you what ever it is your going to want to hear so you side with them. There are a few of them that are big time H users. And either most don't know or don't care because they get whatever they want. Just think of it like this, if she is willing to do it with you, then she will do it with anyone don't think otherwise. If you want to believe them, more power to the suckers, that's why they call them licks, because most of the time it's just a lie to get to the money to get to the dope or a bill. BTW PD is not UTR but there are many of the ladies that would do discounts so they get reviews because there game is just the same and that's a fact. Good luck and my advice is think with the bigger head with the brain. Good luck and don't play the sucker.

[QUOTE=Silverfly;1829257]All I could see was your info about useing hard returns. It did not say any thing about being in an unreadable format. I only used her ad, Sassy Silk, as an example of what I see on this forum. Not saying that you have any thing against her. But it does seam like you jump on some for minor things. And let others like PhatDaty say any thing they want with out even a mention of wrong doing. Back when I questioned a report you put me on S- list. All I ask was did he ever talked to the young lady that he said was a no show. Also was he, PhatDaty and Budda the same person? Those questions were never answered. But the young lady later told me that they are not the same person. I also know that when she left Budda that is when PhatDaty was ask by Budda to post about her misssed date. In checking I see that she was never listed as working the day her was to see her and she told Budda that she just did an overnight and was not working that day. So if I am wrong about defending some one, then I will always be wrong. Lets go after who needs it not the ones who do not. SORRY I got long winded, just had to say it all.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silverfly;1829257]All I could see was your info about useing hard returns. It did not say any thing about being in an unreadable format. I only used her ad, Sassy Silk, as an example of what I see on this forum. Not saying that you have any thing against her. But it does seam like you jump on some for minor things. And let others like PhatDaty say any thing they want with out even a mention of wrong doing. Back when I questioned a report you put me on S- list. All I ask was did he ever talked to the young lady that he said was a no show. Also was he, PhatDaty and Budda the same person? Those questions were never answered. But the young lady later told me that they are not the same person. I also know that when she left Budda that is when PhatDaty was ask by Budda to post about her misssed date. In checking I see that she was never listed as working the day her was to see her and she told Budda that she just did an overnight and was not working that day. So if I am wrong about defending some one, then I will always be wrong. Lets go after who needs it not the ones who do not. SORRY I got long winded, just had to say it all.[/QUOTE]Hey Silverfly, fuck you!

Don't bring my name into you fucking hysteria and whiteknight bullshit. I do not know who the fuck you are, and we have never met. As to the administration of this board showing me favor, that also is a crock of shit. I was pointed in to submission several months ago and put on probation for over a year where every damn thing I tried to post, regardless of the content was put on a mandatory 12 hour delay, subject to editorial oversight. I came off suspension on June 1, 2013.

You daring to suggest that Buddah and I are the same poster is pure fucking lunacy. In fact, I would suggest you owe Buddah one BIG ASS apology. You are so fucking clueless. Buddah is far more polite, personable, cordial, professional, and tolerant than I ever will be. To even suggest that I am half the stand-up guy that Buddah is, is just plain fucking ludicrous.

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Sorry PD, this part violated one of the things I said wouldn't be allowed here even with the relaxed standards.So much for allowing you to get away with anything.[/blue]

Now, apologize to Buddah and A2, before I really get pissed.

[QUOTE=A2][blue]

Sorry PD, this part violated one of the things I said wouldn't be allowed here even with the relaxed standards. So much for allowing you to get away with anything. [/blue]

[/QUOTE]Sorry, A2. This jackass just really pissed me off when he attacked you, and the Buddah. I know I went overboard. Besides, you put him in his place in a far more eloquent and artful way than I did. Way to put that Ockham's razor to work to slice and dice the fool.

My apologies,

PD

Hey, greetings from the mild and genteel South. Some love is needed in the Octagon. Here is an example of the love we experience in Memphis from a photo I took last Friday. I would also like to extend an open invitation to all you Octogon ladies who would like to show some more lovin' of this kind to come to Memphis. I work cheap, especially if you like the taste of protein. BTW, that's Miss Redd and Mimi (one of my ATFs). Mimi can eat pussy better than Bill Clinton. I know, I have watched her do it three different times! Hey Molly, I'll bet you $300.00 that you can't handle Mimi. :D

[QUOTE=A2][blue]Sorry PD, this part violated one of the things I said wouldn't be allowed here even with the relaxed standards. So much for allowing you to get away with anything. [/blue][/QUOTE][QUOTE=PhatDaty; 1830211]Sorry, A2. This jackass just really pissed me off when he attacked you, and the Buddah. I know I went overboard. Besides, you put him in his place in a far more eloquent and artful way than I did. Way to put that Ockham's razor to work to slice and dice the fool.

My apologies,

PD[/QUOTE]Great call A2, actual threats of violence and assault should not be tolerated. If that guy were to happen to get hurt by someone else, there would be "proof"in writing of the threat. The first place he would send LEO would be to that post. From there all hell would break loose as Leo talked to providers to find out who PD is. Question: is PD's apology to you, or the guy he threatened with physical violence (even if he was kidding)? Unfortunately it was read by many before the redaction.