Crusaders and Pragmatists
[QUOTE=Admin2;3072417]This isn't in blue so it's just me not the admin.
What you're saying is you would rather have a junkie walk into a liquor store with a loaded pistol and stick it in the face of some college student demanding the cash in the register. This will be a great thing when some schlep coming home from work walks in to pick up a pint and the bell on the door freaks her out and she shoots the poor clerk in the head. Then, since you know the witness problem, she shoots the poor guy wanting a bottle of T-Bird.
Yes, this scenario is much better than sucking a cock to make fix money.
I know your heart is in the right place hoss, you feel like it's taking advantage of them because of the monkey and I'm sure there is an element of that involved for some of the guys and that's terrible. I am a pragmatist, I always have been. There is an epidemic of heroin abuse going on in the US due largely as an unintended consequence of the invasion of Afghanistan. The government and society as a whole continue to refuse to deal with it as the public health problem it is choosing instead to treat it as a criminal problem. As long as that happens, no matter how many resources they waste on the "war on drugs" it's not going anywhere and the addicts are going to get their fix. Your solution kills bystanders that didn't make a choice to be involved. All of us in the hobby know the risks involved in sticking your dick in a junkie, we have made an informed choice, the kid in the liquor store didn't sign up for a bunch of junkie chicks robbing him.
[BLUE]This part is in blue so pay attention. You can feel as strongly as you wish on this subject, we don't agree and probably never will but I respect that it's your considered opinion. You need to keep it here and off of the review threads. I don't want to have to put you on moderation.
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]A2 we really are not that far apart in our beliefs. You are more Pragmatic and I am more of a Crusader especially on certain subjects. I have a very pragmatic side and [B]TOTALLY[/B] agree with your point. I have been pragmatic about it in the past but because the "War on Drugs" is bottled up into "Just Say NO" society and our representatives don't get it. I just want to scream out [B][red]It's a health issue stupid, not a criminal one![/red][/B]. Until something drastic happens, society and our government isn't going to take it seriously. Maybe the government should put the best team of epidemiologists together to fight it like they did with the Ebola virus outbreak in Africa. In some part the violence by both black and white supremacists brought attention to the race issue combined with Dr. King Jr's leadership and all that "Believed" in the change for American Civil Rights. Unfortunately maybe an innocent kid in a liquor store has to die for society to finally wake up and realize the utter seriousness of the problem that exists. Do I want that, [B]Hell No[/B], but people of true humanity didn't want Dr. King Jr to die to finally have the impact and changes in Civil Rights. Civil wars are common for some changes to occur, especially when there are idiots running our government who stick their head in the sand because they think "Just Say NO" is the solution. So my point is don't enable the BP junkie. I don't care if an addict sucks cock to earn money, just let her do it from a street corner and not from a technologically advanced SW forum like BP. It's a choice but obviously the little heads of many mongers prevail. Those little heads are as dumb as our governments efforts with the war on drugs!
Somehow I think sharing a beer with you on some South American terrace would be fun and educational. I see you are always able to catch my sarcasm on the review threads. I will do my best to contain it to this thread as I believe my infractions are mounting up and I probably leave you with few options. At least options you don't want to take because as you said before with previous infractions "You like me!" LOL.
I'm as much of a pragmatist as the next guy
But I don't see a scenario where "taking further advantage of someone caught in a cycle of addiction because they're going to do something anyways" is a good justification of your actions, which you can control. It may be true that they may do something, but you're really not assisting society by enabling someone to continue destructive behavior, and anyone that makes that argument is really just trying to make themselves feel better about their own predatory actions. Just my opinion.
Since I'm the guy you're talking about
[QUOTE=Mwdude;3073373]But I don't see a scenario where "taking further advantage of someone caught in a cycle of addiction because they're going to do something anyways" is a good justification of your actions, which you can control. It may be true that they may do something, but you're really not assisting society by enabling someone to continue destructive behavior, and anyone that makes that argument is really just trying to make themselves feel better about their own predatory actions. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]I'll go ahead and respond. That's not what I said. Well it would be if you take part of what I say and put it in the worst possible context. Nowhere in that post did I advocate taking advantage of somebody. What I said was junkies are going to make the money. You guys are advocating taking away one of the few ways they can make that money without violence. What you are advocating will without question worsen their destructive behavior so please explain how that will help society?
If the day ever comes where the US decides to implement a sane drug policy I will be leading the cheers. I do not, nor have I ever said that I think junkies turning tricks is a good thing. I think it's a sad thing, I also think it's better than the alternatives they have now which is little. Are there enough detoxes in Indiana to handle all of the people who are caught in this cycle? What about beds in treatment centers? What programs are there in place to handle this epidemic? Do you spend time doing outreach? I used to distribute bleach kits when I lived up there and hand out information for people that were looking to do something about the problem they had. I've been closely involved in this for decades.
Personally I live in a country where prostitution isn't against the law. We have VERY few junkies here involved in the business because they simply can't compete. Because it's legal we have around 30,000 sex workers in Buenos Aires, most of them pretty hot. What the junkies do here is steal peoples cell phones by shooting mace in their faces then swarming on them in packs to take their stuff. If they resist they generally stab them. It's not heroin, the drug here is called paco. If you feel that you are taking advantage of unfortunate people then I would suggest you examine your behavior instead of implying that I am or advocate that because I am certain I am not.
We are 100% in agreement now
[QUOTE=Mwdude;3073710]I'm completely on your side about social policies being more in touch with reality, and less of our Puritan founders' variety. But that doesn't change the fact today in the US that there are a number of predatory factions having significant influence over the sex industry, and I choose to not support those factions where I am able to weed them out, and will continue to encourage other mongers to do the same. I'm not the overly preachey type, but I'd prefer to see people make smart decisions, and while you may not be the person I described earlier those people are out there. And the funny part is when they complain about the service received from someone whose intention has nothing to do with sex work but is entirely about getting fried. Like expecting a perfect steak at McDonalds.[/QUOTE]I know exactly the type you are talking about and I agree it's sick. I was talking about the guys that would still be banging the chick if she didn't have the habit (though I grant the chick probably wouldn't be working without it) you can see that they have basic human respect for the girl providing the service. I see the predatory type you refer to everyday and it disgusts me. I delete their posts when they go to far into that "junkie hoe" shit.
Glad we talked this through.
A2.
