"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

The join date on SA isn't always an indicator for how long they've been in the sugar world. Girls can easily create a new profile and there are other sites.

I do always ask if they've had an arrangement or dated an older man before. I've noticed it makes a big difference if a girl likes older guys already or has had good experiences in the past. Even if they have no experience, I like to guage if they've been attracted to older men.

You may be surprised how many young women are actually attracted to older men. Within reason.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3161258]I'm messaging w / a 19 YO waitress on SA. I ask the key question, 'have you dated much older guys' - trying to arm myself against those who think they want sugar but then when they see the reality of a photo of a 50 YO guy go 'yecch'. Anyway, her answer is that she has had two arrangements, with a 30's guy and a 40's guy, which was pretty out there b / c she's just 19. Then I looked at her profile, and she's been on the site less than a month. So, what she's calling an arrangement pretty much means two dates. LOL. My SD age is 56, so I'll have to play up the age progression thing. She's skinny and hot, WTH.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3161725]The join date on SA isn't always an indicator for how long they've been in the sugar world. Girls can easily create a new profile and there are other sites.

I do always ask if they've had an arrangement or dated an older man before. I've noticed it makes a big difference if a girl likes older guys already or has had good experiences in the past. Even if they have no experience, I like to guage if they've been attracted to older men.

You may be surprised how many young women are actually attracted to older men. Within reason.[/QUOTE]There is a small amout of younger women who are actually attracted to older men but never forget the arraignment is most of the time a deciding factor. A very beneficial arrangement takes you along ways. Lots of women stay in an arrangements becaus of the dollars are really good, not because they actually like you. When you want to test that just cut the sugar off and see if they are still there.

Hi guys, I am a longtime lurker and decided I would give back. I am in my sixties, and an African-American business executive. I pretty much date exclusively chocolate, because that is what I like. I don't do arrangements and have never paid more than $120 for a FS session. Some of my quirks and tips:

-- Most of my action comes when I am traveling for business. SA is the greatest thing ever for the business traveler.

-- I don't do dinner, meet-and-greets or drinks unless all that is happening at my hotel.

-- She's never in my car.

-- If she is transportation-challenged I'm happy to send an Uber car to her and take her back -- all on my dime regardless of how the date turns out.

-- I am focused more on enthusiasm and effort than facial features and overall beauty That's how I keep the cost low. One of the best sessions of my life was with a 20-something college student who qualified for BBW status. It was awesome. She stayed with me for two hours and worked like a porn star.

-- Some of the girls I approached hadn't had a date on SA since they signed up -- in some cases more than a year. Discrimination or different tastes are probably the reason. But for those of us who like chocolate that means plenty of bargains that are going untouched.

-- My photo is not on my profile because of business reasons and my relationship status.

-- I will send a real photo once we begin texting or phone conversations.

-- As I noted, my standard payment is $100 plus a $20 tip if it is good, along with Uber transportation to / from if necessary. I'll go as high as $150 plus transportation but that's it. So far, nobody has walked away from that.

-- Small college towns are the best.

-- The last four babies I was with never mentioned money at any point in the process -- and neither did I. In each case I offered up a Benjamin and usually a tip and that was it.

So there are some tips and observations from the chocolate point of view. Without a doubt, there are lots of glamour queen chocolate babies who are in the $300-$500 range but I know how to avoid them from the get-go.

Happy hunting, my friends.

If she says she's 18 or 19 you may want to check her age. Had to politely walk out on what turned out to be a HS girl in RVA today who was 3 weeks away from being legal. She had a good cover story about how she was in dorms. Nope. Doesn't move into dorms until next fall.

[QUOTE=BrazzerToFive;3164306]If she says she's 18 or 19 you may want to check her age. Had to politely walk out on what turned out to be a HS girl in RVA today who was 3 weeks away from being legal. She had a good cover story about how she was in dorms. Nope. Doesn't move into dorms until next fall.[/QUOTE]I asked my last sugar baby, who was 25, for her I'd. I told her she could cover up the name and address, and she did. Was I being too cautious? One former NFL great who played for the Giants certainly wishes he had followed that advice.

I travel also but it's usually to same area. How long to start look at the ladies in advance of your trip to the city? And do you do repeats the next time you visit a particular city?

I don't have my picture up earlier. But my response rate isn't as high as it use to be, the last time I was in the bowl. I was thinking about putting up a picture with a blurred face to see if the response rate would increase.

[QUOTE=CigarFL;3163663]Hi guys, I am a longtime lurker and decided I would give back. I am in my sixties, and an African-American business executive. I pretty much date exclusively chocolate, because that is what I like. I don't do arrangements and have never paid more than $120 for a FS session. Some of my quirks and tips:

-- Most of my action comes when I am traveling for business. SA is the greatest thing ever for the business traveler.

-- I don't do dinner, meet-and-greets or drinks unless all that is happening at my hotel.

-- She's never in my car.

-- If she is transportation-challenged I'm happy to send an Uber car to her and take her back -- all on my dime regardless of how the date turns out.

-- I am focused more on enthusiasm and effort than facial features and overall beauty That's how I keep the cost low. One of the best sessions of my life was with a 20-something college student who qualified for BBW status. It was awesome. She stayed with me for two hours and worked like a porn star.

-- Some of the girls I approached hadn't had a date on SA since they signed up -- in some cases more than a year. Discrimination or different tastes are probably the reason. But for those of us who like chocolate that means plenty of bargains that are going untouched.

-- My photo is not on my profile because of business reasons and my relationship status.

-- I will send a real photo once we begin texting or phone conversations.

-- As I noted, my standard payment is $100 plus a $20 tip if it is good, along with Uber transportation to / from if necessary. I'll go as high as $150 plus transportation but that's it. So far, nobody has walked away from that.

-- Small college towns are the best.

-- The last four babies I was with never mentioned money at any point in the process -- and neither did I. In each case I offered up a Benjamin and usually a tip and that was it.

So there are some tips and observations from the chocolate point of view. Without a doubt, there are lots of glamour queen chocolate babies who are in the $300-$500 range but I know how to avoid them from the get-go.

Happy hunting, my friends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CigarFL;3164341]I asked my last sugar baby, who was 25, for her I'd. I told her she could cover up the name and address, and she did. Was I being too cautious? One former NFL great who played for the Giants certainly wishes he had followed that advice.[/QUOTE]This discussion needs to be very circumspect. Look at a link on the main page to a USASG policy page on this topic. But I agree, if there is any question whatsoever, you need to get this info. I am also informed by HollywoodGuy, my mentor, that even *meeting or arranging to meet* with someone who is not of 'appropriate digital maturity' could be a crime. It depends on the jurisdiction, etc. The idea of having the baby cover the name and address on the DL is a great one. I can't tell these girl's ages, just as they can't likely tell mine within about a decade. I would even suggest if you have any question at all that you make her verify w / a photo. I had a very immature POT I was once messaging with who worried me, and I asked to see the I'd. She said sure, once we are in the room and I have the sugar. It never happened though (neither) - she chickened out.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3158430]Take a look at this video:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvrmltfMrA&app=desktop[/URL]

We've been missing out on a big opportunity. We could form a non-profit to help our poor millenial babies and all of our SB payments would be a charitable contribution, LOL.

Good Hunting!

Travelin.[/QUOTE]Love it, need to get a great name and set it up.

[QUOTE=Falar;3164500]I travel also but it's usually to same area. How long to start look at the ladies in advance of your trip to the city? And do you do repeats the next time you visit a particular city?

I don't have my picture up earlier. But my response rate isn't as high as it use to be, the last time I was in the bowl. I was thinking about putting up a picture with a blurred face to see if the response rate would increase.[/QUOTE]I usually don't attempt making contact until about a week or two before my trip. The SB gets excited because of the prospect of some sugar in just a few days. It also cuts down on some of the emailing and messaging. The drawback to that strategy is that not all the ladies check their SA mail regularly. I've missed out on some great prospects because by the time they got back to me I had exhausted by budget for that trip or I was headed home. On the other hand, I usually have no problem setting up a full appointment list in just four or five days.

Not having a picture up has not been a problem for me at all. You can generate more responses by simply clicking on the profiles of women in a certain area. Go ahead and favorite a lot of them. My theory is the site's algorithm will determine you are looking in a certain area and will "show" your profile to more of the ladies. What's more important than the picture is a compelling profile that convinces the SB to respond to you. I can't emphasize this enough. If writing isn't your thing, pay a professional a few bucks to craft an appealing (but truthful) profile for you. It's easy to find a freelancer on sites like Upwork or Thumbtack. Once I start clicking on profiles in an area I start receiving lots of queries from SBs that I had not even contacted. And that's without a profile photo.

Your profile and all other correspondence should all be friendly, warm and honest. It's obviously important to be really transparent about what you're looking for while not coming across as creepy. I like getting to the point real fast to prevent wasting time once the conversation moves to email or text.

If you are traveling to the same area a lot then repeats can be golden. When I'm in a city for several days I like sprinkling in a couple returning all-stars along with some new prospects.

Hope some of this helps!

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3164840]This discussion needs to be very circumspect. Look at a link on the main page to a USASG policy page on this topic. But I agree, if there is any question whatsoever, you need to get this info. I am also informed by HollywoodGuy, my mentor, that even *meeting or arranging to meet* with someone who is not of 'appropriate digital maturity' could be a crime. It depends on the jurisdiction, etc. The idea of having the baby cover the name and address on the DL is a great one. I can't tell these girl's ages, just as they can't likely tell mine within about a decade. I would even suggest if you have any question at all that you make her verify w / a photo. I had a very immature POT I was once messaging with who worried me, and I asked to see the I'd. She said sure, once we are in the room and I have the sugar. It never happened though (neither) - she chickened out.[/QUOTE]I regularly ask to see the DL -- with her name and address covered, of course. Obviously not necessary for a woman who is clearly in her late twenties or thirties, but if she claims to be say, 19,20 or 21, then you could be taking a big risk by not verifying.

[QUOTE=CigarFL;3163663]Hi guys, I am a longtime lurker and decided I would give back. I am in my sixties, and an African-American business executive. I pretty much date exclusively chocolate, because that is what I like. I don't do arrangements and have never paid more than $120 for a FS session. Some of my quirks and tips:

-- Most of my action comes when I am traveling for business. SA is the greatest thing ever for the business traveler.

-- I don't do dinner, meet-and-greets or drinks unless all that is happening at my hotel.

-- She's never in my car.

-- If she is transportation-challenged I'm happy to send an Uber car to her and take her back -- all on my dime regardless of how the date turns out.

-- I am focused more on enthusiasm and effort than facial features and overall beauty That's how I keep the cost low. One of the best sessions of my life was with a 20-something college student who qualified for BBW status. It was awesome. She stayed with me for two hours and worked like a porn star.

-- Some of the girls I approached hadn't had a date on SA since they signed up -- in some cases more than a year. Discrimination or different tastes are probably the reason. But for those of us who like chocolate that means plenty of bargains that are going untouched.

-- My photo is not on my profile because of business reasons and my relationship status.

-- I will send a real photo once we begin texting or phone conversations.

-- As I noted, my standard payment is $100 plus a $20 tip if it is good, along with Uber transportation to / from if necessary. I'll go as high as $150 plus transportation but that's it. So far, nobody has walked away from that.

-- Small college towns are the best.

-- The last four babies I was with never mentioned money at any point in the process -- and neither did I. In each case I offered up a Benjamin and usually a tip and that was it.

So there are some tips and observations from the chocolate point of view. Without a doubt, there are lots of glamour queen chocolate babies who are in the $300-$500 range but I know how to avoid them from the get-go.

Happy hunting, my friends.[/QUOTE]Good report. If you can post the sa links to some of these girls, might help them get some dates. Everyone has a different definition of a sb so that comes to bear here.

My experience with the chocolate sb is not as extensive as I would like. The few I have tried to work out arrangements with bring more drama than I like or need. The chocolate baby gets right to the point which usually scares alot of guys off thinking they are utr or pros. In my area they tend to be really BBW or ghetto which turns the guys off. I have never had one not mention sugar within the first or second communication so you are doing something right. I'm an old white guy so maybe that's the problem. Most in my area start at the $$ mark but let you know pretty fast that's negotiable. I also live in an area of colleges with an hour or so driving time and very few chocolate college girls end up on sa. My experience like I said is not as extensive as I would like, just hard to find here.

[QUOTE=Falar;3164500]I travel also but it's usually to same area. How long to start look at the ladies in advance of your trip to the city? And do you do repeats the next time you visit a particular city?

I don't have my picture up earlier. But my response rate isn't as high as it use to be, the last time I was in the bowl. I was thinking about putting up a picture with a blurred face to see if the response rate would increase.[/QUOTE]I'll answer the 2nd question first -- if I return to a certain city, I may repeat with an SB I had seen previously. Variety is the spice of life, but I usually will let a prior SB know I MAY be in town on such and such date and set them up as a back up in case a new, more appealing option does not materialize. I even managed to salvage one back up on just a few hours notice (when I bail on them, I tell them wife was scheduled to go home first, but decided to stay, so when I have to try to salvage I say she left as originally planned).

I tend to reach out much further in advance, at least 2 weeks. This allows me to build a rapport and get them to email / text instead of relying on SA messaging. I also favor overnight encounters (at my age, 2 pops in 2 hours is a new world record unless she is super talented with a cock, so its either overnight or an hour with a pro for me) The other upside to building a longer rapport is it makes the whole FC transition pretty simple. YOu can eliminate any M&G time if you have them hot and bothered before you even meet. Maybe a drink at the bar so they don't feel like pros coming up to the room and getting a dick in their mouth right away. I find it hard to resist getting to the action once they are in the room.

Its worth the time time to figure out their sexual preferences (anything on your no fly list for fun time?) and getting to know if they are really just UTRs or just a submissive young girl with bills to pay and daddy issues. I tend to favor the latter. They also appreciate being treated with respect in the communication process -- I have found it makes them more apt to unleash their true sluttiness if you don't treat them that way until they are naked.

I've had a lot of success with chocolate SBs. Black women are going to college at almost the highest rate vs any other demographic. I've found a large number of intelligent, classy and beautiful young black women. They tend to be stereotyped and unappreciated. Many have never been with a white man or an older man, but really seem to enjoy the attention. Some young black women look to white men as easy marks, but I can usually weed them out quickly.

I don't do ghetto or bbw, but haven't had a problem finding a slim / athletic, intelligent and classy young black women.

It's now my preference.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3165125]Good report. If you can post the sa links to some of these girls, might help them get some dates. Everyone has a different definition of a sb so that comes to bear here.

My experience with the chocolate sb is not as extensive as I would like. The few I have tried to work out arrangements with bring more drama than I like or need. The chocolate baby gets right to the point which usually scares alot of guys off thinking they are utr or pros. In my area they tend to be really BBW or ghetto which turns the guys off. I have never had one not mention sugar within the first or second communication so you are doing something right. I'm an old white guy so maybe that's the problem. Most in my area start at the $$ mark but let you know pretty fast that's negotiable. I also live in an area of colleges with an hour or so driving time and very few chocolate college girls end up on sa. My experience like I said is not as extensive as I would like, just hard to find here.[/QUOTE]

My membership expired on SA this morning. I sent two message with my # to two girls prior. Hours after my membership expired, they read my message and text me. Looks like the SBs can still read the messages we sent prior to our membership expiring.

Makes sense to send out a few flares just before your membership expires. You may get some bites!

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3157515]Just told ya for sure. If they were able to read it then they could contact you if they were smart enough to write your info down or you was smart enough to send it and tell them your membetship was running out and you wasn't renrwing for awhile. Pretty simple. Once your membership runs out you can't read their responses in old mail. They can't read urs either.[/QUOTE]

I've gotten several PMs from women who are escorts / aspiring sugar babies. They don't realize the geography of the board thread doesn't mean my location. I may be posting too much.