"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;3155685]One of my sb's a super cute fit 18 year old spinner is going down the wrong path. Should I give her some knowledge or guidance or just a good spankin' ? Haha! When we met she was premed in her first semester excited to be trauma doctor. Since then she has been on three day acid bender. Decided she's isn't in the medschool mindset. Which is totally cool. I told her to stay in school and get liberal arts degree. Then she got car in car accident. Then car impounded for having bong and booze. Now she is stripping and I've seen too many young naive girls go down the wrong road with cocaine and even worse meth. What would you do?[/QUOTE]I get the idea she was on this path before you meet her. If you hadn't offered any advice before and knew then you was an enabler. Pretty hard core stuff for 18 year old. Me personally move on and if I had an idea before she wouldn't have been my sb to start.

[QUOTE=AlMelrose;3155674]I laugh at the supposedly pre-med students. (I am sure there may be some, but not the numbers that claim to be).[/QUOTE]This is so true. I have the professional position to know something about premeds, and I did M&G w / one baby who could not for the life of her figure out how to use her credit card to reserve the FC for us, then told me she made a C in freshman chemistry. On the fast track to humanities. I see some law students who seem real, but it kinda figures. Professional school is expensive, girls more on their own than in other topics.

So, I am guessing other married SDs would discourage sharing w / the baby photos of wife, kids, dogs, etc. Mine has asked, and it doesn't seem too smart. She wants my baby picture too.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3156062]I get the idea she was on this path before you meet her. If you hadn't offered any advice before and knew then you was an enabler. Pretty hard core stuff for 18 year old. Me personally move on and if I had an idea before she wouldn't have been my sb to start.[/QUOTE]Thanks. She seemed excited about her future. She was super innocent albeit wild and kinky in bed. I just feel some responsibility to give her some advice as a friend. I have a feeling her parents won't even let her return to school if she tells them she's dropping out of pre-med program. She comes from a very straight edge traditional asian family. She has scholarship that is only valid if she is pursuing med degree. I can see and accept some experimentation being away from home in college for the first time. But she sure seems like she hit the fuck it button!

I tried to be a White Knight many times. Just save your time and money and walk away.

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;3155685]One of my sb's a super cute fit 18 year old spinner is going down the wrong path. Should I give her some knowledge or guidance or just a good spankin' ? Haha! When we met she was premed in her first semester excited to be trauma doctor. Since then she has been on three day acid bender. Decided she's isn't in the medschool mindset. Which is totally cool. I told her to stay in school and get liberal arts degree. Then she got car in car accident. Then car impounded for having bong and booze. Now she is stripping and I've seen too many young naive girls go down the wrong road with cocaine and even worse meth. What would you do?[/QUOTE]

So thanks to some guidance from some of you, I did get my account set up with SA. I was having an issue getting the fee paid without using a credit card. Ended up using a prepaid card and even had some issues with that but thanks to the SA staff, got it worked out.

So I am off and running and would like some advice from some of you who are experienced at this. So what I have found is that you will have people who view your profile and that is it, you will have people who favorite you, and you will have people who message you. So my first question is if someone views your profile and that is it, does that generally mean they are really not interested and it is more or less a waste of time to engage with that person on your own?

My next and most important question is if you see someone's profile that interest you and you want to message that person cold turkey, any ideas or thoughts as to the best way to sort of break that ice and then if that person does reply, how you measure the level of interest.

Any thoughts and or tips on anything to improve success and help any connection develop into a great relationship would be appreciated. You can offer that here or PM me whichever you prefer.

Thanks for the guidance I have already received on this forum. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3156455]I tried to be a White Knight many times. Just save your time and money and walk away.[/QUOTE]I've only given her $100 since September, a few bucks for gas $ for her 3 hr drives here, a few hotel nights, some gifts that didn't cost me a cent. A my time which, is precious. I'm not in the bowl to be a parent. Gave her some advice last night. We'll see what she does w it. She went from #2 to #4 in my bountiful bowl she's driving here tonight to try and make daddy happy before she goes home for thanksgiving.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3151264]Trying to decide what to do w / this one and need other viewpoints. Posted on the LA thread (essence below) about InlandMILF. I'll PM her profile if anyone wants it. It says submissive.

"InlandMILF. M&G complete, great person, stable / reliable, wanted a lot, negotiated down to my usual, also offered to host (but is a half hour drive out of my usual zone. Tradeoff. Risk of exposure vs. Cost of room)".

My difficulty is that I had a past SB, ModelMILF, I had to travel out of my way to get to the FC. I was always paranoid something would happen when I was out of pocket that would cause the SO to wonder 'what were you doing there?' There were some other non-optimum features also that led me to quit her, and once I did it was a relief. I've mostly been fishing much closer to home. This gal actually reminds me a lot of ModelMILF. Is that alarm bells, to be gravitating to the same style baby? Others have observed that if a girl will meet you she almost certainly has already decided she will fuck you, at least at her price point. Yet, she wanted my photo again b / c she'd forgotten what I looked like (and my profile was down). Huh?

The desirable girls I've actually had the discussion w / have all started at 4 K / mo for allowance, but I just don't know who they think can pay that. Not most, certainly. I'm diplomatic and say ' some guys will pay that' or 'I can certainly see you getting that' but of course I won't / don't.[/QUOTE]Sure, PM me the profile. I would love to check this chick out.

No-one said being a daddy was easy. I've been there myself several times. Absolutely give advise, likely it will get you nowhere, but that's the right thing to do. She is well along on the wrong track it seems so do not get attached. I know easier said than done sometimes. Give her good advice, if she chooses to follow it, great, have fun with her while you can. Good luck.

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3156455]I tried to be a White Knight many times. Just save your time and money and walk away.[/QUOTE]

I have shown babies my real life pics from my phone, I won't send them though. Need to be careful about that. I'll send infrequent pics of myself or stuff I'm doing or working on but that's about it. I choose to keep somewhat of a wall, not as tight and secure as some on here do though.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3156241]So, I am guessing other married SDs would discourage sharing w / the baby photos of wife, kids, dogs, etc. Mine has asked, and it doesn't seem too smart. She wants my baby picture too.[/QUOTE]

Agree with most of the advice here. Give her advice as a friend, but remember "tough love" is sometimes the best medicine and also protection for yourself. Addicts are very manipulative and you need to be careful not to be taken advantage of. Be there as a friend, but don't be an enabler and be prepared to bail quickly and cleanly.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;3156589]No-one said being a daddy was easy. I've been there myself several times. Absolutely give advise, likely it will get you nowhere, but that's the right thing to do. She is well along on the wrong track it seems so do not get attached. I know easier said than done sometimes. Give her good advice, if she chooses to follow it, great, have fun with her while you can. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;3156268]Thanks. She seemed excited about her future. She was super innocent albeit wild and kinky in bed. I just feel some responsibility to give her some advice as a friend. I have a feeling her parents won't even let her return to school if she tells them she's dropping out of pre-med program. She comes from a very straight edge traditional asian family. She has scholarship that is only valid if she is pursuing med degree. I can see and accept some experimentation being away from home in college for the first time. But she sure seems like she hit the fuck it button![/QUOTE]Dropping out of pre-med (or any other pursuit requiring a serious commitment to schoolwork) is not uncommon at her age, I've known several girls that did that, even though drugs were not a factor at all. Just not yet mature enough to make the tradeoffs necessary to put aside typical college socializing / partying / dating or whatever in order to put in the hours. In her case, I feel sad for her family because they have to watch her throw a scholarship away, so they take a direct financial hit now while watching opportunity slip by. However, if she enters medicine and doesn't really want to enter medicine, she would be miserable anyway. If I were you I wouldn't carry the burden her parents have to carry.

The drugs are a different story. I couldn't get a sense of how into those she is from your post, but in my experience it's usually worse than they report back to their boyfriends (or SDs as the case may be). If she's getting into drugs I would just start to separate yourself from her. Ultimatums "quit the drugs or we are through" won't work, she will just lie about the behavior if she is still doing them. Drugs can turn honest people into liars and thieves pretty quickly.

I once met a real gem of a baby in a strip club. She was brand new to the scene, and if you spent even 3 minutes talking to her you could tell she was never cut out to be a stripper. She was not only young and gorgeous, but had that innocence that we SDs always seem to hunt for. She had just started dancing and I was the first guy to talk her into dating outside the club. This girl was not yet old enough to drink, but she tells me about being addicted to oxycontin in the past. She said that was all behind her and that she was 100% clean. She loved to hangout when I was in town, so one day she asks can I take her to meet her aunt because she owes her money from a loan. I'm almost certain I drove her to what was really a drug buy, and the transaction was complete before I even realized what was going on. Nice. She denied it of course. So while I didn't search her purse or anything like that, I feel I most likely had controlled substances in my car. How do I know a narc wasn't following the "aunt"? Yes its possible she was really just paying off a non-drug related debt, but the more I got to know her the more I doubted it.

You see what I'm getting at. As much as I enjoyed fucking that girl, drugs are a deal breaker and I cut ties. For anyone who thinks being careful is enough to avoid problems, don't kid yourself. Things can happen so quickly you won't be in control of the situation.

I can't say for sure that I would run from yours yet, as I don't know how bad it is, but basically if I were in a position to determine whether to run or to try to influence her life positively, I would just run, because you're probably not going to have the positive impact you'd like to, even if she tells you that you are.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3156241]So, I am guessing other married SDs would discourage sharing w / the baby photos of wife, kids, dogs, etc. Mine has asked, and it doesn't seem too smart. She wants my baby picture too.[/QUOTE]I would highly discourage this.

[QUOTE=Bowtie;3156589]No-one said being a daddy was easy. I've been there myself several times. Absolutely give advise, likely it will get you nowhere, but that's the right thing to do. She is well along on the wrong track it seems so do not get attached. I know easier said than done sometimes. Give her good advice, if she chooses to follow it, great, have fun with her while you can. Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3156639]Dropping out of pre-med (or any other pursuit requiring a serious commitment to schoolwork) is not uncommon at her age, I've known several girls that did that, even though drugs were not a factor at all. Just not yet mature enough to make the tradeoffs necessary to put aside typical college socializing / partying / dating or whatever in order to put in the hours. In her case, I feel sad for her family because they have to watch her throw a scholarship away, so they take a direct financial hit now while watching opportunity slip by. However, if she enters medicine and doesn't really want to enter medicine, she would be miserable anyway. If I were you I wouldn't carry the burden her parents have to carry.

The drugs are a different story. I couldn't get a sense of how into those she is from your post, but in my experience it's usually worse than they report back to their boyfriends (or SDs as the case may be). If she's getting into drugs I would just start to separate yourself from her. Ultimatums "quit the drugs or we are through" won't work, she will just lie about the behavior if she is still doing them. Drugs can turn honest people into liars and thieves pretty quickly.

I once met a real gem of a baby in a strip club. She was brand new to the scene, and if you spent even 3 minutes talking to her you could tell she was never cut out to be a stripper. She was not only young and gorgeous, but had that innocence that we SDs always seem to hunt for. She had just started dancing and I was the first guy to talk her into dating outside the club. This girl was not yet old enough to drink, but she tells me about being addicted to oxycontin in the past. She said that was all behind her and that she was 100% clean. She loved to hangout when I was in town, so one day she asks can I take her to meet her aunt because she owes her money from a loan. I'm almost certain I drove her to what was really a drug buy, and the transaction was complete before I even realized what was going on. Nice. She denied it of course. So while I didn't search her purse or anything like that, I feel I most likely had controlled substances in my car. How do I know a narc wasn't following the "aunt"? Yes its possible she was really just paying off a non-drug related debt, but the more I got to know her the more I doubted it.

You see what I'm getting at. As much as I enjoyed fucking that girl, drugs are a deal breaker and I cut ties. For anyone who thinks being careful is enough to avoid problems, don't kid yourself. Things can happen so quickly you won't be in control of the situation.

I can't say for sure that I would run from yours yet, as I don't know how bad it is, but basically if I were in a position to determine whether to run or to try to influence her life positively, I would just run, because you're probably not going to have the positive impact you'd like to, even if she tells you that you are.[/QUOTE]I gave her some advice as a friend. I'll give her some more here. Ivecseen many young naive girls get wrapped up into the stripper cocaine lifestyle and "blow" their lives to shreds.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3156639]

She loved to hangout when I was in town, so one day she asks can I take her to meet her aunt because she owes her money from a loan. I'm almost certain I drove her to what was really a drug buy, and the transaction was complete before I even realized what was going on. Nice. She denied it of course. So while I didn't search her purse or anything like that, I feel I most likely had controlled substances in my car. How do I know a narc wasn't following the "aunt"? Yes its possible she was really just paying off a non-drug related debt, but the more I got to know her the more I doubted it.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly. You drove her to Cop!

A couple of things: Had a baby who was exotic as heck and killer in the FC and seemed normal as heck and pursuing a degree. But one day after she was in the bathroom for 15-min, I peaked in and saw a needle in her arm. Would never have suspected it if I had not seen it! Then a fellow monger dated her and helped her clean up so she wouldn't get evicted. When he emptied the trash into the dumpster he saw a ton of those little blue waxed paper baggies that dope comes in.

Second, I have a rule that I developed for indoor dates with girls when I pick them up (street, restaurant, club, dorm, etc) and that is that once we are done I will drive them anywhere they wish to go and drop them there: ONE stop and only one stop. We stop & you get out and I will leave. Had too many girls run me around to "pick up cellphone chargers" or "give money they owe to a friend" or "help out a sister or aunt. " That is always a sign they are Copping drugs!

The point is [B]I do not want drugs in my vehicle or even hotel room![/B] There is a legal "theory" called [U]constructive possession[/U] which essentially means that if the drugs are found in your car or room (under your control), they can be deemed to be owned (I. E. Possessed) by you. So if a girl dumps her stash in your car or room and there is a search, unless someone owns up to the drugs, LE can and usually will just charge EVERYONE with possession. LE charges and lets the lawyers figure it out. Drug charges are felony charges that usually don't just "go away" easily and require some bucks for a lawyer.

So yeah, avoid playing taxi service.