"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3140246]You guys are math-challenged. I'm 61, so I want (and have had) that girl who is 1/3 my age (a 20 YO) - a 'female' 3 x my age would be dead / gross.[/QUOTE]One word makes a big difference, my bad english.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;3140950]I have no explanation for what happened. CL has produced a couple over the years before this, but nothing like this time. Maybe the hurricane interfered with the job opportunities they were looking for. Like I said one in the first batch, and one in the second was probably utr, I did not pick it up in the meet and greet. Of the other 6, 2 told me they had a special need for cash and did not plan on doing it more than one. How they acted when the cloths came off bore out that they were not in the business. In any event, I will not be looking again for a while, and I cannot afford another binge like that, mentally, or financially. As for the pics, I have noticed since you guys ran off HWG that none of you post anything. I am careful not to show faces or tattoos that could be identified. Since the discussions here have been more about things that happened in the past, I thought the new readers might like to know what is happening now.[/QUOTE]I too had some amazing successes with CL ads. They come and go, but CL just works better for me compared to SA or SD4 M.

I am always looking for new approaches and ideas to hunt, so if you don't mind sharing your methods on CL feel free to shoot me a PM. I am opened to sharing my ways if you're interested, though I doubt you need it want to.

+1 on the planting seeds early advice. Slowly integrate the schedule that will allow for extracurricular, even if you aren't actively looking yet. That includes your overall health and fitness. "This is where I want to be in six months. ".

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2851264]Well said Mike. Very well said. It's also, in a nutshell, how one converts an SB from a demanding POT to a into a submissive that will do whatever you want, whenever you want.[/QUOTE]I want to revive this part of the thread to explore how to manipulate SBs. Help me out, Fish.

I have a couple of girls close to me who put right in their profile they are submissive. I know it is pretty common for SBs to be this way. I am not naturally dominant, but I have a few ideas. I just like these particular girls for their looks and other stuff, and want to 1) get them and 2) please them. I'd like any pointers anyone is willing to share on #1 in terms of messaging approaches. The things guys have been posting about #2 are: verbal stuff, hair pulling, spanking, ropes. I've been giving my babies some orders at least. What else are subs wanting done to them? Let's try to collect a lot of resources in one place. Perhaps it can get added to the highlights.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3079792]I posted a few months back on this topic. I use three subscription based services. PeopleSmart (about $25 every 6 months), Spokeo (about $40 a year) and Intelius (about $100 a year). I use these also for the type of work I am in. People Smart seems to be better getting owner names of cell phone #s, Spokeo is good with email addresses and also has a arrest record option (though they don't tell you the nature of the offense) and Intellius's specialty is finding individuals and their relatives, addresses, birth date, etc). Although I always love it when their cell phone takes me right to their FB page but I have also used the "Find Friend" feature on facebook by entering extra info that I may already know (name of employer, school, hometown, current town) with only a first name.[/QUOTE]Any update on this, ST? I just looked at PeopleSmart, and they are now on a monthly billing process w / a specific # of searches.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3144987]Any update on this, ST? I just looked at PeopleSmart, and they are now on a monthly billing process w / a specific # of searches.[/QUOTE]Glad you asked. I recently stumbled onto a free site, [URL]www.atlaspublicrecords.com[/URL]. Their data shows the criminal records, usually with the description of the offense. Also shows the address and birthdate. Doesn't pull up everyone I have put in but if the girl has an unusual name then you will have better luck.

So recently I went on the SA website. I actually thought you would have to pay to set up an account. To my surprise, it allowed me to set up a profile / account etc. Without any membership fee. So I did that and got it all set up. Then I started getting all of these emails that my profile had been been viewed. Ok understand that. Some said my profile had been favorited. So my first question is what does that really mean if anything?

Then some of the emails said I had been messaged. When I tried to open the message, then I got a message that I had to upgrade my account, and there is a membership fee associated with that. Ok, that's cool but the only option for payment is a credit card. Like many on that site I suspect, I am married and I don't have a credit card in just my name. Furthermore, if you use a credit card, then you have to provide your name etc. Etc. Not sure I want to do that. So I guess my question is, is there any other way to sign up and pay fees other than by credit card? As an example another membership I have to another site allows you to pay by mailing in money order but I did not see that option.

Final question is if someone sends you are message, is it likely something that has potential and real or is it just a fishing expedition.

I am new at this so sorry for the questions but hopefully some will be understanding and provide some information. Just trying to learn. Any other info that you feel would be helpful would be appreciated as well. If you prefer to PM me, that would be fine. Thanks in advance.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

There is a wealth of information in this thread that will answer your questions. Fortunately, there is also an index to Frequently Asked Questions and some of the best replies to those questions. I've attached the link above to help you find the FAQ.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3146507]So recently I went on the SA website. I actually thought you would have to pay to set up an account. To my surprise, it allowed me to set up a profile / account etc. Without any membership fee. So I did that and got it all set up. Then I started getting all of these emails that my profile had been been viewed. Ok understand that. Some said my profile had been favorited. So my first question is what does that really mean if anything?

Then some of the emails said I had been messaged. When I tried to open the message, then I got a message that I had to upgrade my account, and there is a membership fee associated with that. Ok, that's cool but the only option for payment is a credit card. Like many on that site I suspect, I am married and I don't have a credit card in just my name. Furthermore, if you use a credit card, then you have to provide your name etc. Etc. Not sure I want to do that. So I guess my question is, is there any other way to sign up and pay fees other than by credit card? As an example another membership I have to another site allows you to pay by mailing in money order but I did not see that option.

Final question is if someone sends you are message, is it likely something that has potential and real or is it just a fishing expedition.

I am new at this so sorry for the questions but hopefully some will be understanding and provide some information. Just trying to learn. Any other info that you feel would be helpful would be appreciated as well. If you prefer to PM me, that would be fine. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3144946]I have a couple of girls close to me who put right in their profile they are submissive. I know it is pretty common for SBs to be this way. I am not naturally dominant, but I have a few ideas. I just like these particular girls for their looks and other stuff, and want to 1) get them and 2) please them. I'd like any pointers anyone is willing to share on #1 in terms of messaging approaches. The things guys have been posting about #2 are: verbal stuff, hair pulling, spanking, ropes. I've been giving my babies some orders at least. What else are subs wanting done to them? Let's try to collect a lot of resources in one place. Perhaps it can get added to the highlights.[/QUOTE]Some just arent cut out fot it. There are lotsa fun restsr=traints. Get creative. Are you creative?

[QUOTE=RappaHannock;3146507]So recently I went on the SA website. I actually thought you would have to pay to set up an account. To my surprise, it allowed me to set up a profile / account etc. Without any membership fee. So I did that and got it all set up. Then I started getting all of these emails that my profile had been been viewed. Ok understand that. Some said my profile had been favorited. So my first question is what does that really mean if anything?

Then some of the emails said I had been messaged. When I tried to open the message, then I got a message that I had to upgrade my account, and there is a membership fee associated with that. Ok, that's cool but the only option for payment is a credit card. Like many on that site I suspect, I am married and I don't have a credit card in just my name. Furthermore, if you use a credit card, then you have to provide your name etc. Etc. Not sure I want to do that. So I guess my question is, is there any other way to sign up and pay fees other than by credit card? As an example another membership I have to another site allows you to pay by mailing in money order but I did not see that option.

Final question is if someone sends you are message, is it likely something that has potential and real or is it just a fishing expedition.

I am new at this so sorry for the questions but hopefully some will be understanding and provide some information. Just trying to learn. Any other info that you feel would be helpful would be appreciated as well. If you prefer to PM me, that would be fine. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]One specific of my fairly recent experiience getting on SA is that favoriting doesn't mean much unless she's local. I keep my profile hidden otherwise I get contaacted from all over the world w / people I have no interest in. I favorite girls b / c that enables me to keep track of them, see when they've been on, etc. Perhaps they do the same to us.

I run into these brainless girls all the time. I can't believe how dumb they are. It kind of makes me sick.

I think all these girls are really in NYC to protest Trump winning the election.

[QUOTE=CarltonW;3141348]I've been just amazed at how clueless some of these 20 somethings are.

One SB is an honors grad from a top school who is working as a Nanny (liberal arts degree in the Obama economy. Go figure) in the DC area. Seemingly very intelligent, can talk about most subjects, active volunteer. Kind of what you hope the next generation would be.

40% of her take home pay goes to student loan payments.

In the past year.

She moved into her own apartment vs. Having 2 roommates.

Started ordering from Blue Apron in order to make cooking / shopping less stressful.

Went to Cabo for a week.

Started applying to grad schools.

Found out her mom did not Co-Sign one of her student loans, so she is on the hook for an extra $150 a month.

Complained about having her debit card info stolen at the Farmers Market and having a week's pay disappear in fraudulent charges.

Then she asks me if I know of any good, cheap hotels in NYC because grad school apps and work is SOOOO stressful she and her friends just have to have a Girls Trip to NYC before her head explodes.

Thank goodness for clueless, entitled hotties.[/QUOTE]

Almost pulled it off yesterday. Breakfast with POT 1 turned into a fun wild romp that had her squirt all over the bed. Lunch with POT 2 turned into a three-round marathon with me throwing her around like a rag doll, making her scream like crazy, and, yes, squirting all over the bed again. (Both were porn star level explosions too. That duvet is shot! POT 3 for happy hour seemed like it would turn into more fun, but I ran out of time and needed to get home. (Good decision because as it turned out there were issues on the home front.). So close. I have been flirting with retirement and this may be my way to go out on top.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;3147253]Almost pulled it off yesterday. Breakfast with POT 1 turned into a fun wild romp that had her squirt all over the bed. Lunch with POT 2 turned into a three-round marathon with me throwing her around like a rag doll, making her scream like crazy, and, yes, squirting all over the bed again. (Both were porn star level explosions too. That duvet is shot! POT 3 for happy hour seemed like it would turn into more fun, but I ran out of time and needed to get home. (Good decision because as it turned out there were issues on the home front.). So close. I have been flirting with retirement and this may be my way to go out on top.[/QUOTE]The fact that lack of time was the only thing stopping you from meeting the third alone is reason to get a plaque made in your own honor and hang it on your wall. I'm usually sufficiently overwhelmed with guilt after a few rounds of sex with only one SB that I usually need a day before my little head regains control and makes me crave another. But I guess that's more a statement about where I am with my SO overall.

I have considered retirement too, but I refrain from "officially" deciding anything, because I fear my retirement is going to be more like those entertainers or athletes that announce their retirement only to keep coming back for "ok, now this is REALLY the last tour... this time for real."

I think a gradual scaling back is better in my case, as opposed to drawing any lines for myself that are not to be crossed. That's one strategy for a well-managed addiction, allow a little slack in the rope for error and there's a better chance at sustenance.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3147390]The fact that lack of time was the only thing stopping you from meeting the third alone is reason to get a plaque made in your own honor and hang it on your wall. I'm usually sufficiently overwhelmed with guilt after a few rounds of sex with only one SB that I usually need a day before my little head regains control and makes me crave another. But I guess that's more a statement about where I am with my SO overall.

I have considered retirement too, but I refrain from "officially" deciding anything, because I fear my retirement is going to be more like those entertainers or athletes that announce their retirement only to keep coming back for "ok, now this is REALLY the last tour". I think a gradual scaling back is better in my case than drawing any lines that are not to be crossed. That's one strategy for addiction, allow a little slack in the rope for error and there's a better chance at sustenance.[/QUOTE]You guys aren't hoping to expire while a 20-something is impaled upon you? I recall the wishes of Thurgood Marshall, Supreme Court justice, who wished to die by being shot dead at the age of 84 by a jealous husband. Actually, a quick google search took me to the actual quote:

"I expect to die at 110, shot by a jealous husband. ".