"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Hancock, out of curiosity, why bother with the bowl? Why not just pay for high end escorts? You're right. Certain girls will bang you if the money is good enough, regardless if you're any good in the sack.

I'm a firm believer in allowance, but if that's the only reason a baby is banging me, then from my perspective, it would be a lot easier to just hire a high end pro. That's just me though.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133107]Girls thst have several different profiles get crucified by the guys. Guys that create alternate profiles arent any better IMHO. A catfish is a catfish. Really have no idea why one that isn't interested is such an ego buster one would have to create xtra profiles. Jeez just move on, your paying for pussy, move to the next one. As for thinking the girls enjoy the sex some do, some don't. Don't forget your payi g them. If the payment is good most are staying because of the money, not because your great in the sack. When that idea enters your thought process cut the money off and see if they still sucking your cock for nothing. My profile states specifically that I'm seeking a sub, I don't have to waste time texting back and forth because the girls know right off the bat what I'm looking for. Profile has stated that for a few years and is quite a time saver. This isn't rocket science that everyone seems to want to make it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3133283]Hancock, out of curiosity, why bother with the bowl? Why not just pay for high end escorts? You're right. Certain girls will bang you if the money is good enough, regardless if you're any good in the sack.

I'm a firm believer in allowance, but if that's the only reason a baby is banging me, then from my perspective, it would be a lot easier to just hire a high end pro. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]Why else is a 20 something girls banging much older guys but for the money. Are they taking you home to mom and dad, introducing you to friends, taking you to keg party?

There is always exceptions but cut the sugar off and see how long they hang. In the end your paying for that GFE the same as from that high end pro.

Seversl girls I've talked to have had long term arrangements of a year or more. Usually what ends them is the guy getting transferred to another area. When I've told them I was sorry.

They lost the arrangement the replies have been "Oh that's ok, I never really liked him but the money was good".

Now not sure what you consider a long term arrangement but I doubt very few on this forum last that long. If the girl really never cared about the guy after fucking him that long then she has put on one hell of a show for him to stay that long. Guys tend to get feeling all good about themselves in these arrangements but seem to overlook the fact she is still being paid. If you cut the sugar and she stays then you can feel good about your new gf. Oh now all this is if your exclusive. If she has a rotation of sds then that's not even a discussion.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133387]Why else is a 20 something girls banging much older guys but for the money. Are they taking you home to mom and dad, introducing you to friends, taking you to keg party?[/QUOTE]In some cases, yes. I've had SBs introduce me to their friends, and I've had them claim they want me to meet their mom on the first date. I think the fact most of the girls I've met have daddy issues one way or another probably means they are replacing their dad with me rather than hoping I will hang out with him, but I did have one SB send me pics of her and her father very early on in communications (not sure what that was about).

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133387]There is always exceptions but cut the sugar off and see how long they hang. In the end your paying for that GFE the same as from that high end pro.[/QUOTE]But there have been countless guys posting to this forum that have proven that this is your experience, and perhaps even a similar experience to others your age, but it does not represent the majority of SDs.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You've asked in the forum countless times what is the point in paying an SB if she doesn't want to be paid, and some of us have explained our motives.

Why should we continue explaining this to you if you've made up your mind you're only going to believe what your own experiences have allowed you to believe? Its become repetitive and beyond tiresome. I think its time for you to accept that your experiences in the bowl, at your age and in your geographic region are not representative of the entire SD community.

Met the fam-I think she was just trying to piss her dad off! He was the same age as me. Which was a bit weird at first but I just rolled with it. Albeit our relationaship was more traditional than standard sb thingy. But it was funny as fuck having coffee with pops 15 minutes after I had dumped a huge load in his 20 year old daughters ass, haha!

Met and fucked friends- I had a chill tryst w SB May-July. She wanted a three way with her sexy livein lover. We had a few three somes then I eneded up grooving on her lover more and it was very apparent when I was banging her in bed next to her. We ended up having some wild kinky fun sans original sb. They split up for a while, now theyre back together and wanting another McNaughty 3 some. Life is grand!

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3133670]In some cases, yes. I've had SBs introduce me to their friends, and I've had them claim they want me to meet their mom on the first date. I think the fact most of the girls I've met have daddy issues one way or another probably means they are replacing their dad with me rather than hoping I will hang out with him, but I did have one SB send me pics of her and her father very early on in communications (not sure what that was about).

But there have been countless guys posting to this forum that have proven that this is your experience, and perhaps even a similar experience to others your age, but it does not represent the majority of SDs.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You've asked in the forum countless times what is the point in paying an SB if she doesn't want to be paid, and some of us have explained our motives.

Why should we continue explaining this to you if you've made up your mind you're only going to believe what your own experiences have allowed you to believe? Its become repetitive and beyond tiresome. I think its time for you to accept that your experiences in the bowl, at your age and in your geographic region are not representative of the entire SD community.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3133670]In some cases, yes. I've had SBs introduce me to their friends, and I've had them claim they want me to meet their mom on the first date. I think the fact most of the girls I've met have daddy issues one way or another probably means they are replacing their dad with me rather than hoping I will hang out with him, but I did have one SB send me pics of her and her father very early on in communications (not sure what that was about).

But there have been countless guys posting to this forum that have proven that this is your experience, and perhaps even a similar experience to others your age, but it does not represent the majority of SDs.

Albert Einstein was quoted as saying that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You've asked in the forum countless times what is the point in paying an SB if she doesn't want to be paid, and some of us have explained our motives.

Why should we continue explaining this to you if you've made up your mind you're only going to believe what your own experiences have allowed you to believe? Its become repetitive and beyond tiresome. I think its time for you to accept that your experiences in the bowl, at your age and in your geographic region are not representative of the entire SD community.[/QUOTE]LOL your posting on a forum where your paying young girls for sex. Like I said there are exceptions and sadly I'm not gods gift to women any longer as some are. I live in a real world and have a pretty firm grasp as to how things work so I love good fiction as much as anyone. Oh as you like to point out there is a ignore button. Feel free to use it if I've become tiresome. I just look for the post that go on and on, on and on and scroll past them if I don't get to tired.

If that's the worldview you hold, the question still remains. Why even play in the bowl? If the analysis is that these girls are banging you solely for the money, and assuming you recognize that most of these girls are having sex with multiple partners, why not simply use back page or eros to find utrs or pros? It would simplify life considerable rather than messaging back and forth, going on dates, buying dinner, etc.

I guess there's the possibility that some sds like the "innocence" of a sb who they think are not having sex with anyone else, but I've found that pots with sleep with the highest bidder, and don't care about anything else, are often sleeping with multiple daddies and are no different than an escort. Nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion. I still play in that world and have my go to agencies, but when that's what I'm looking for, I call my go to agencies, I don't spend hours messaging back and forth, m&ging, and then wining and dining.

I don't disagree that sugar plays a huge role in why a young 19 or 20 something is having sex with you, but in my humble opinion, there are a lot of other factors in play.

No, they're not taking you home to meet mom and dad, but the babies I bed are with me because they are tired of the keg parties and want to go to an upscale restaurant to drink a bottle of wine with a nice meal. I've met plenty of babies that have told me that they wouldn't sleep with certain guys, no matter how much. Of course whether I believe that or not is a different story. I doubt any pot playing in the bowl would turn down a SD, so long as the allowance was right.

Part of the fun, at least for me, is playing the game. To each his own.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133387]Why else is a 20 something girls banging much older guys but for the money. Are they taking you home to mom and dad, introducing you to friends, taking you to keg party?

There is always exceptions but cut the sugar off and see how long they hang. In the end your paying for that GFE the same as from that high end pro.

Seversl girls I've talked to have had long term arrangements of a year or more. Usually what ends them is the guy getting transferred to another area. When I've told them I was sorry.

They lost the arrangement the replies have been "Oh that's ok, I never really liked him but the money was good".

Now not sure what you consider a long term arrangement but I doubt very few on this forum last that long. If the girl really never cared about the guy after fucking him that long then she has put on one hell of a show for him to stay that long. Guys tend to get feeling all good about themselves in these arrangements but seem to overlook the fact she is still being paid. If you cut the sugar and she stays then you can feel good about your new gf. Oh now all this is if your exclusive. If she has a rotation of sds then that's not even a discussion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133717]LOL your posting on a forum where your paying young girls for sex.[/QUOTE]Yes but its called the Sex Guide, not necessarily the Paid Sex Guide. This thread is about whether SBs are pros or amateurs, and if there were a clear cut answer the thread would have never been initiated in the first place.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3133717]
Like I said there are exceptions and sadly I'm not gods gift to women any longer as some are. I live in a real world and have a pretty firm grasp as to how things work so I love good fiction as much as anyone. Oh as you like to point out there is a ignore button. Feel free to use it if I've become tiresome. I just look for the post that go on and on, on and on and scroll past them if I don't get to tired.[/QUOTE]You are fully entitled to your own fictional world, but just don't be surprised if you get called on it if trying to project that world onto the lives of others, because I can tell you not everyone agrees with your perspective. I use the ignore button very sparingly, just as I very sparingly make suggestions like I have today. For the most part I try to let the cards fall where they may on these matters, but for whatever reason I thought I might be doing you a favor to let you know that you are a bit out of touch on how it works for some of the brothers here. Take that for whatever it's worth, I'm not trying to deny you the right to your opinion, just pointing out that you don't seem to have a firm grasp of the difference between opinion and fact. Carry on with the rants though if it makes you a happier person, it's tiresome as I said but not particularly bothering me. I rarely do more than a quick visual scan of your posts and I don't always do that. I do think the forum needs less repetition instead of more, just because of the sheer volume of posts though.

[QUOTE=DrMcNaughty;3133703]Met the fam-I think she was just trying to piss her dad off! He was the same age as me. Which was a bit weird at first but I just rolled with it. Albeit our relationaship was more traditional than standard sb thingy. But it was funny as fuck having coffee with pops 15 minutes after I had dumped a huge load in his 20 year old daughters ass, haha!

Met and fucked friends- I had a chill tryst w SB May-July. She wanted a three way with her sexy livein lover. We had a few three somes then I eneded up grooving on her lover more and it was very apparent when I was banging her in bed next to her. We ended up having some wild kinky fun sans original sb. They split up for a while, now theyre back together and wanting another McNaughty 3 some. Life is grand![/QUOTE]There are a lot of SDs that have similar experiences. It's kind of unfortunate that a handful have committed themselves to using sugaring as an alternative escort mechanism. If they opened their eyes and understood the possibilities, they could possibly pursue them and ultimately have more fun in the bowl. Tunnel vision is what it is though.

That said, I have no doubt that age will impact my game should I stay in the bowl into my social security years. Honestly even now I can only deal with a 18-22 year old in small doses, I may want to pay them to go away as quickly as possible when I'm 65 or 70, I can fully envision that. And I'm sure I'd be beyond amazed if I'm 70 and some 25 year old tells me she wants more than just an SD/SB arrangement. But at any given age, a 30 year age difference is perfectly doable.

OK, let's get off this latest jag. I troll UTR ads on CL, those posted in the Resume section w / photos (southern California). I've been messaging w / a girl who's cute but says she has a BF right now, and I'm trying to turn her. This is a message I got from her today. Interpret it as you wish.

I wanted to respond back to you. That's only fair. You wrote to me.

My gf's have sugar daddies. The men are nice to them. & they really enjoy the great sex.

Everybody want's young pretty pussy & nice tits 2 suck on.

It's got to feel so good when you shoot in there. Nice & deep.

Your paying for pleasure. But you pay 4 it somehow anyway huh. LOL?

So your married. Kool.

But you would like a younger girl to enjoy right?

So I'm in NYC and have an overnight planned with an SB I had been chatting up for a week or so. Sexy photos shared, naughty messages, all the good stuff.

She comes to my hotel room, we have a drink and I notice a tattoo on her arm that I had not noticed in her photos.

"What does your tattoo say?

"Its my Dad's name".

"I take it he is no longer with us".

"yes, sadly".

Hate to benefit from the misfortune of others, but is it any wonder you want to be banged into next Tuesday by a guy your dad's age?

Back in January, had another SB tell me what an unambitious man her father was, not helping her out with college so even going to a state school landed her $40 K in debt. Yet an hour after dinner she is screaming "fuck my ass, Daddy", a recurring theme throughout the night.

[QUOTE=CarltonW;3134184]

Hate to benefit from the misfortune of others, but is it any wonder you want to be banged into next Tuesday by a guy your dad's age?
Back in January, had another SB tell me what an unambitious man her father was, not helping her out with college so even going to a state school landed her $40 K in debt. Yet an hour after dinner she is screaming "fuck my ass, Daddy", a recurring theme throughout the night.[/QUOTE]It's weird, but I've written before about how the daddy issues I've encountered can be placed into one of two broad categories, either the Absent Daddy or the Tough-Act-To-Follow Daddy.

The absent daddy is usually something like her dad just wasn't around (raised by a single mom, or dad's an alcoholic, or just abandoned them, or otherwise did a shit job of participating in her life).

The tough act to follow daddy is the father that spoils the little princess, being the sole anchor of her life and thus setting the expectation that only an older man can properly worship her and make life's stress go away (and I don't just mean financially, I mean in the way he treats her and talks to her).

From what I can tell both types of daddy issue gravitate them toward dating older men. Even if you ask about their dating history prior to their first foray into sugaring, you'll find a preference for much older men.

Sounds like yours might have had a hybrid scenario, maybe a spoiling daddy that passed away (transforming him from the tough act to follow to absent), resulting in a perfect storm of daddy issues.

I think women with more "average" daddies (actively participates in her life but doesn't spoil) are more likely to seek out age appropriate mates.

Really guys,

You found hot young things willing to fuck you and you are bickering as to why??

Honestly, who gives a shit? Just be grateful and enjoy, for sooner than you think you will miss these days.

I tell my ladies I am going to believe whatever story they tell me.

I focus on making sure we are going to enjoy our time while we are together, period.

I don't are why, I care that she is there with me when she has many choices to be elsewhere. For that, I am grateful and I am going to make her feel like a little princess.

As some of you may remember I was busted by the SO two and half months ago and although she got over it after a few days I elected to cut back from 2 to 3 times a week in the FC to once, maybe twice a week. But the big change in my MO was converting from 2 "business trips" overnight out per week in a 1. 5 to 2 hour radius of home to typically afternoon meets within a 30 to 45 minute radius. Sadly in a way this meant I would no longer routinely have the luxury of 4 to 6 hour SB dates (or even overnights) but instead needing to schedule 1. 5 to 2 hour FC dates. So this translates into having a collection of basically "4 hour alibis" available to offer up to the SO. Following is a list of my top ten favorites the past three years, although you will note I have the advantage of owning both a Harley m / c and a 4 WD wrangler jeep.

1. Motorcycle rides. Probably most of the brothers are not inclined to jump out and get a m / c but if you can then you should. Every Sunday (weather permitting) the SO knows is my "ride day" and not to expect a quick text response. Also gives the option of joining a bike rider club (Harley HOG chapter is ideal) and then skip the scheduled rides for the FC dates.

2. Jeep 4 wheelin' - I have a "friend" with a jeep who lives an hour away. Every so often "we" go 4 wheelin' usually on the Sundays when the weather is not good for m / c rides. Don't make the mistake I made; the SO one time asked me what his name was and I had to make up a name real quick.

3. Pick-up at the airport. I have a "business client" who travels into the local area for a week at a time. Instead of him having to rent a car for the week I pick him up at the airport on mondays and bring him back to fridays. The assumption is I take him to his hotel which is close to his employer's location. Sometimes we "have dinner at a restaurant. " Sometimes the flight "gets delayed. ".

4. Guy Movie. I will tell the SO I am going to a movie that I know she would not want to see. I try to wait until the movie is only playing at a theater at least 30 to 45 minutes from home.

5. Car repair issue. I have an older car (jeep) but any car could suddenly have critical issues (e. G. brakes, etc) that require going to a car repair shop and waiting a few hours while they "work on the car. ".

6. Auto Trader. Maybe it is time to consider getting a newer used car. Find some sellers that are a couple of hours away from home "to look at" their car.

7. Craigs List specialty item for sale. Same idea as Auto Trader but to look at some hard to find specialty item that you have a personal need for.

8. Trade association / Men's club association. Join an association with monthly or quarterly meetings, preferably an hour or more from home. When I get their email announcements as to date and time I always forward them to the SO. I have one particular trade association that meets twice a year in Chicago. For the past two years I have driven to the local airport for the 2 day trips but never got on the plane.

9. Out of town friend travelling through. Every so often an "old friend" (high school, college, etc) will be passing through the area, in which case we will meet for lunch, dinner, etc someplace an hour or so away.

10. Out of town funeral. As we get older occasionally an "old friend" from high school, college, etc passes away in a town a few hours or more away.

11. (Bonus) Trail Hiking. Two years ago I started to do trail hiking to prepare for a year of training for the Grand Canyon Rim to Rim hike. My "favorite trail" was an hour and half away and provided an easy 4 to 6 hour alibi.

If anyone has their own to share then by all means post them. One of the brothers this summer posted his "fitness club gym" alibi but, for me, my gym is 5 minutes away and does not give me an easy 4 hour block of time.

[QUOTE=StormyTuesday;3135175] If anyone has their own to share then by all means post them. One of the brothers this summer posted his "fitness club gym" alibi but, for me, my gym is 5 minutes away and does not give me an easy 4 hour block of time.[/QUOTE]One of my favorite tricks (that should work to some degree for most brothers) is to pick some event in a city other than your hometown that you "need" to go to for an overnighter (without mentioning to the SO that the overnighter involves some 20 year old in your bed).

There are several components to this that are important to perfect execution. It doesn't have to be a perfect execution to get you laid without getting caught, but there are certain things you can do that make it almost bullet proof:

1. Invite your SO to go with you, but make sure the event is something she has zero interest in and make sure she already has a schedule conflict the day after that date before asking (I. E. Due to her normal work schedule or whatever). She's going to say she can't go and encourage you to go alone in most cases if you choose correctly. Think hard about something you have some remote interest in, but that bores her to tears (an industry conference she has no interest in? Sporting event? Concert for certain music genres she hates? She'll be happy to tell you to save the expense of two tickets because she can't go).

2. Choose an event that you can provide some proof of purchase for later. If you have no intention of actually attending the event, try to buy a ticket to something you can easily refund or sell, so that at least you have a printed ticket receipt to print out. If refunding or selling the ticket is not an option, just make sure it's a cheap enough expense that you don't mind eating the cost.

3. Leave indications of everything about the event laying where she can see them in advance but don't make it obvious (like leave them laying on your desk where she would find them if she's looking, but don't leave them on the coffee table in the living room).

4. If you do go to the event, make sure you purchase only one ticket, and don't take your SB with you to the event even if, for example, your SB is into sports and its her favorite team on the planet. It's just not worth the risk of being photographed with her by a PI that your wife hired. Knowing what event you are going to ahead of time is a private investigator's dream scenario.

5. Web based ticket sales make it easy to find candidate events in a given city or on a particular date. Usually you have to choose one of those two factors and work everything else around it, and that can at times be challenging. For example you might have an SB that you really want to see in Miami, and you really want to do it on November 1st, but as you look around the only event you can find on that date is some sports event that your SO knows you have little to no interest in. Don't do it. Either change the city or change the dates or change the SB. The other aspects of this trick, such as the cost of the hotel and / or event itself, make it not worth your time to introduce unnecessary risk. The lack of risk, the ease of verifying your story, and the overall believability is the only reason to pull this one in the first place.

Now, for bonus points.... if you're able to schedule all of this in such a way that it actually is an event that you do want to attend (or need to for work purposes), even better! Schedule your SB date after the event.

Also it should go without saying, but its important with any scam like this to be aware of surrounding circumstances. If you've recently started working out more, showing heightened interest in your appearance, spending more time alone on the computer/smartphone, coming home from work later etc., then going out of town for any reason is likely to be suspect. It's something that needs to be integrated into your lifestyle slowly and on an ongoing basis rather than something your read on a forum and spontaneously decide to try out.

As part of my qualification process, I always ask about their previous experience or interest in older men. I'm surprised how many younger women prefer and have traditionally dated older men. Sometimes their definition of "older" is 10-20 years and not 30-40, but it is still an interesting phenomenon. I think dating older men is much more acceptable today for the 18-25 age group then it ever was. So many young women have been treated poorly by young men that dating older men or dating women is almost considered normal. Combine the with Daddy issues mentioned above and you have a great opportunity for some of us older gentlemen.

I steer away from women that have not expressed any interest in older men. They tend to be in it for only the money. No matter how good of actors they are, it's never as good as someone that truly enjoys the experience. That's why I tend to steer away from escorts or UTR's. I can tell their heart isn't it it.

The downside is that it does run the risk of unintended attachment on both sides.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3134438]It's weird, but I've written before about how the daddy issues I've encountered can be placed into one of two broad categories, either the Absent Daddy or the Tough-Act-To-Follow Daddy.

The absent daddy is usually something like her dad just wasn't around (raised by a single mom, or dad's an alcoholic, or just abandoned them, or otherwise did a shit job of participating in her life).

The tough act to follow daddy is the father that spoils the little princess, being the sole anchor of her life and thus setting the expectation that only an older man can properly worship her and make life's stress go away (and I don't just mean financially, I mean in the way he treats her and talks to her).

From what I can tell both types of daddy issue gravitate them toward dating older men. Even if you ask about their dating history prior to their first foray into sugaring, you'll find a preference for much older men.

Sounds like yours might have had a hybrid scenario, maybe a spoiling daddy that passed away (transforming him from the tough act to follow to absent), resulting in a perfect storm of daddy issues.

I think women with more "average" daddies (actively participates in her life but doesn't spoil) are more likely to seek out age appropriate mates.[/QUOTE]