Non Pro's

[QUOTE=Router911;5047791]I originally asked because I have a friend who says she sees 4-6 guys a week from tinder. I didn't ask how often she fucks but she gets offered money a lot. I wanted to see if she was actually so popular if there wasnt a forum talking about how successfull guys have been on tinder.

I don't use app myself so no idea how hard or easy it is to meet women.[/QUOTE]I was on Tinder for a couple of months. I was traveling quite a bit for work, and figured it was a way to get laid while out. There seem to be a lot more women there who are interested in a long term relationship, at least at my age level. So it really was a bust. It was easier to get on SA and find someone in the area I am going to go and arrange a date for the evening.

That said, I don't recall any way of finding someone specifically. So if you tell me "my friend's handle is xxxx" I don't know if I can go and find her to see if there is a match. The app seem to be fairly geographically sensitive, and I think I would need a fairly detailed description of her. At least age range, race, location, body type, hair color, etc. To try to drill down to a list of possible ladies to swipe right.

I was not sure about putting this out there since she is a nice person and has nice to talk to but it has been a few months and decided it is better to let people know than not.

Izzybabiii has a ok body and is negotiable on PPM, she cannot host. She has no excitement when you are with her, she has said that she just doesn't really get excited and it shows. She pretty much just lays there and it is too bad as if she would get into it I would have continued to see her as I could afford (she wants 300 PPM). She has said she has a traumatic childhood with close family members passing away, etc. I believe she has some untreated psychological issues that are causing her to be detached.

Basically nice person, nice looking but don't spend your money.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/046ae1c2-964d-4d7b-82a5-cf9b5fca214f[/URL]

Anybody have any intel on this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6aceac76-407e-4ba4-9792-31092a4c9367[/URL]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5052528]Anybody have any intel on this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6aceac76-407e-4ba4-9792-31092a4c9367[/URL][/QUOTE]If you haven't been on SA long, I'll just say. That profile has about every scammer red flag on it.

1. Only one photo.

2. Very recent profile.

3. Photo professionally taken (like the fake photo that comes with a picture frame).

4. Hints at sex for money.

You will contact her and she will either give you an out of state phone number or send you to an app to chat with her. You will ask what part of town she lives in and she will most likely say "Downtown". You will set up a time to meet and she will ask you to cash app her for gas money, money for nails or an outfit or even want money up front to meet. You will send it and she that will be the last you hear from her.

I messaged her for shits and giggles her first reply was BJ only LOL.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5052792]If you haven't been on SA long, I'll just say. That profile has about every scammer red flag on it.

1. Only one photo.

2. Very recent profile.

3. Photo professionally taken (like the fake photo that comes with a picture frame).

4. Hints at sex for money.

You will contact her and she will either give you an out of state phone number or send you to an app to chat with her. You will ask what part of town she lives in and she will most likely say "Downtown". You will set up a time to meet and she will ask you to cash app her for gas money, money for nails or an outfit or even want money up front to meet. You will send it and she that will be the last you hear from her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5052528]Anybody have any intel on this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6aceac76-407e-4ba4-9792-31092a4c9367[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5052792]If you haven't been on SA long, I'll just say. That profile has about every scammer red flag on it.

1. Only one photo.

2. Very recent profile.

3. Photo professionally taken (like the fake photo that comes with a picture frame).

4. Hints at sex for money.

You will contact her and she will either give you an out of state phone number or send you to an app to chat with her. You will ask what part of town she lives in and she will most likely say "Downtown". You will set up a time to meet and she will ask you to cash app her for gas money, money for nails or an outfit or even want money up front to meet. You will send it and she that will be the last you hear from her.[/QUOTE]Thanks M1967 . I have been on SA for a bit. And have done relatively okay on there. We have been chatting for a while (and at least up to this point) it has not gone in the direction you specified. Having said that, my radar is now up. And will keep a look out. Not really bothered as I usually block anyone who hints at money first. Pay for pics or pay for Gas or any other story. So yeah if she is a scam. It will come out sooner rather than later.

GPS.

LoveInPNW - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9d1d2934-85fd-4b3f-8b18-2f0eb1587439[/URL].

Adder her to my favorites and she messaged me and wants 4 k a month. I didn't even respond to her.

Scammer (Only online).

Kittycat1911 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/94ae004a-13bd-4a9b-9fa9-ec665270fb52[/URL].

Her profile says platonic but said she was ok with my fetish. Gave her my number and wanted to just snap instead (usually a bad sign). I asked her a few times to meet for dinner and she just avoided answering. Wanted to start off platonic and I said ok to see where this would go. Sent me a snap of her face that said she was real. I believed that she was real but doesn't live in the area and asked to meet in person again. Finally she said she wants to start online and then meet in person. Yeah right and I said good luck!

I think SA is still good but will just take some time. I met one with only one pic and just joined. Thought she was fake but met for dinner and hit it off. Slim and one of the prettiest SB's I've met and was fine with 300 ppm. Definitely lucked out and would have paid more if I never came across this forum.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5053690]Thanks M1967 . I have been on SA for a bit. And have done relatively okay on there. We have been chatting for a while (and at least up to this point) it has not gone in the direction you specified. Having said that, my radar is now up. And will keep a look out. Not really bothered as I usually block anyone who hints at money first. Pay for pics or pay for Gas or any other story. So yeah if she is a scam. It will come out sooner rather than later.[/QUOTE]Let me know. I have no interest in her but had someone play me for a week. I was like, "was this really worth your time?

The first most obvious sign to me was that their "About Me" and "Seeking" sections were pretty bare.

[QUOTE=AmTrain;5053809]GPS.

LoveInPNW - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9d1d2934-85fd-4b3f-8b18-2f0eb1587439[/URL].

Adder her to my favorites and she messaged me and wants 4 k a month. I didn't even respond to her.

Scammer (Only online).

Kittycat1911 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/94ae004a-13bd-4a9b-9fa9-ec665270fb52[/URL].

Her profile says platonic but said she was ok with my fetish. Gave her my number and wanted to just snap instead (usually a bad sign). I asked her a few times to meet for dinner and she just avoided answering. Wanted to start off platonic and I said ok to see where this would go. Sent me a snap of her face that said she was real. I believed that she was real but doesn't live in the area and asked to meet in person again. Finally she said she wants to start online and then meet in person. Yeah right and I said good luck!

I think SA is still good but will just take some time. I met one with only one pic and just joined. Thought she was fake but met for dinner and hit it off. Slim and one of the prettiest SB's I've met and was fine with 300 ppm. Definitely lucked out and would have paid more if I never came across this forum.[/QUOTE]

I wasted so much time on escorts. SA is a goldmine. All my SA experiences had been bb. No talk about cover, ever. Plenty of freaks willing to go the extra mile. You got to spend the time to find them.

Pros: cost is low compared to pros, plenty hot and sexy ladies, no clock-watching.

Cons: SBs try but lack of exp shows in bed. Lots of civie like dating, but a least you know you are getting laid. For reference, only 1 SB was a no go for me, all others had been a go after first date.

Senior members: I have some SBs exp. That are up to par with dirty annie and insatiable anna. Willing to exchange names for names. I spend 2 months doing research and "dating". PM if you want to trade SBs names.

Anyone seen this MILF. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1bae1305-6dd6-47b2-84d7-d949f5be4970[/URL].

Been chatting her up for the last few days. It is getting close to the point where I need to either pull the trigger or move on. Anyone have any intel to share on menu / price etc?

I've been getting a few PMs asking me what is going on with that, so I thought I'd update.

All in all things have been pretty good. We've been meeting up about three times a week at our secret rendezvous. Although one day she saw me in town and texted me and she sucked me off in a church parking lot. Obviously I am going to hell. Her fuck skills are at least a bit above average for a girl that young, and she is eager and a quick learner. So I've no complaints there.

Aside from meeting her, I'm out for the IUD (I took her to Spokane to get it), a little bit of shopping, and what I'm greasing my buddy to borrow the vacation rental cabin we're using to hook up.

All things come to an end, though. She's actually saving all of the money I'm giving her and she's leaving for San Diego after Christmas. Oh well it is great while it lasts. And generally 2020 has been a lame mongering year for me (before her I think I've had five sessions *all year*) so she is a bright spot.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;5061677]Although one day she saw me in town and texted me and she sucked me off in a church parking lot. Obviously I am going to hell. [/QUOTE]Years ago in high school I fucked my girlfriend in the school chapel late at night. We could not find any other place, we were horney and were scared of getting caught. We found the door unlocked (it is usually locked by the school chaplain after normal school hours) . We entered locked the door from inside. So now we are completely safe. Went up the stairs to the upper level (thereby giving us more time to run and hide if someone comes in) . It as a fun evening. You brought back a bunch of memories.

Anyone seen or been in contact with this one before?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/994f1187-dcad-45be-a7ed-212b747aa0cb[/URL]

The profile is new, so I am not sure if she had a profile before. Reached out to me out of the blue. I would be wary since her profile is sparse, but man that booty is insane.

Just so you guys know. I was inactive on SA and mostly from the hobby for the last 4-6 months. I signed on last week and since then have seen 4-5 women all clean housewife or girlfriends looking for money on the side COVID has a lot of them unemployed and with the holiday season arriving they all need to drop their panties to pay for gifts. Will share a few names here once I am done using them. All of them so far have been BB friendly and no mention of condoms. I am getting more cardio now than I have in a long time. God Bless the pussy windfall that I am currently eperiencing.

My target for tomorrow is a 29 year old ethnic woman (will hide from where until I am done using her 2-3 times) . She asked me. She actually asked me if I could throat fuck her and slap her around a little. Nipple and clit torture turn her on (I am not into clit torture. But the rest is okay with me) . She also hinted that I could piss on her when I am done. GOD Bless!! I feel like a man again. Hope this economy continues to worsen as the housewife and GFs are out in full force. .

What are prices like these days? Last time I did the sugar thing about 3 years ago, I was having fun with 19-22 yos for 150-200 per visit. Is that still doable?

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5063814]Just so you guys know. I was inactive on SA and mostly from the hobby for the last 4-6 months. I signed on last week and since then have seen 4-5 women all clean housewife or girlfriends looking for money on the side COVID has a lot of them unemployed and with the holiday season arriving they all need to drop their panties to pay for gifts. Will share a few names here once I am done using them. All of them so far have been BB friendly and no mention of condoms. I am getting more cardio now than I have in a long time. God Bless the pussy windfall that I am currently eperiencing.

My target for tomorrow is a 29 year old ethnic woman (will hide from where until I am done using her 2-3 times) . She asked me. She actually asked me if I could throat fuck her and slap her around a little. Nipple and clit torture turn her on (I am not into clit torture. But the rest is okay with me) . She also hinted that I could piss on her when I am done. GOD Bless!! I feel like a man again. Hope this economy continues to worsen as the housewife and GFs are out in full force. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MitchCor;5064136]What are prices like these days? Last time I did the sugar thing about 3 years ago, I was having fun with 19-22 yos for 150-200 per visit. Is that still doable?[/QUOTE]So far it has been 200 and 250 + room. Actually to be honest those are the prices that I suggest and have not had push back. I have not tried 150 on anyone as yet. So not sure if it would be accepted. One thing is for sure after reading reports of 300,400, 500 with lackluster service and sometime sores on skin and clear indications of heavy use. I just felt if I was messing around I would rather do it with GND, MILF ND types. It is logistically more work to book rooms then you cannot check in until 3 pm etc etc. But in the end it is worth it. At least so far. I will still see the TNA ladies, but those will be last min appts when I want to book. Walk in and then drive out. Less logistics to take care of. Ahhh options.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5063814]Just so you guys know. I was inactive on SA and mostly from the hobby for the last 4-6 months. I signed on last week and since then have seen 4-5 women all clean housewife or girlfriends looking for money on the side COVID has a lot of them unemployed and with the holiday season arriving they all need to drop their panties to pay for gifts. Will share a few names here once I am done using them. All of them so far have been BB friendly and no mention of condoms. I am getting more cardio now than I have in a long time. God Bless the pussy windfall that I am currently eperiencing.

My target for tomorrow is a 29 year old ethnic woman (will hide from where until I am done using her 2-3 times) . She asked me. She actually asked me if I could throat fuck her and slap her around a little. Nipple and clit torture turn her on (I am not into clit torture. But the rest is okay with me) . She also hinted that I could piss on her when I am done. GOD Bless!! I feel like a man again. Hope this economy continues to worsen as the housewife and GFs are out in full force. .[/QUOTE]Well I've had plenty of dates but lately no BB. Let me know when you let some go!

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5063814]Just so you guys know. I was inactive on SA and mostly from the hobby for the last 4-6 months. I signed on last week and since then have seen 4-5 women all clean housewife or girlfriends looking for money on the side COVID has a lot of them unemployed and with the holiday season arriving they all need to drop their panties to pay for gifts. Will share a few names here once I am done using them. All of them so far have been BB friendly and no mention of condoms. I am getting more cardio now than I have in a long time. God Bless the pussy windfall that I am currently eperiencing.

My target for tomorrow is a 29 year old ethnic woman (will hide from where until I am done using her 2-3 times) . She asked me. She actually asked me if I could throat fuck her and slap her around a little. Nipple and clit torture turn her on (I am not into clit torture. But the rest is okay with me) . She also hinted that I could piss on her when I am done. GOD Bless!! I feel like a man again. Hope this economy continues to worsen as the housewife and GFs are out in full force. .[/QUOTE]Defiantly an improvement since before I got banned from there (still haven't figured out a way to work around it) 95% of all the women wanted thousands of dollars per meet up and online only junk. I'd go back but the ban thing. I believe I got banned discussing money amounts inside E-mails to these women and they would get insulted at $300 per meet up and report when they expect thousands and new cars, trips to the moon, a swimming pool of only fresh Crisp $100 bills every morning.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5064222]So far it has been 200 and 250 + room. Actually to be honest those are the prices that I suggest and have not had push back. I have not tried 150 on anyone as yet. So not sure if it would be accepted. One thing is for sure after reading reports of 300,400, 500 with lackluster service and sometime sores on skin and clear indications of heavy use. I just felt if I was messing around I would rather do it with GND, MILF ND types. It is logistically more work to book rooms then you cannot check in until 3 pm etc etc. But in the end it is worth it. At least so far. I will still see the TNA ladies, but those will be last min appts when I want to book. Walk in and then drive out. Less logistics to take care of. Ahhh options.[/QUOTE]I've been doing $250-350+ room. No one that I have ever met in person has turned it down. If I try to negotiate beforehand, I always get $500+. I did pay $600 once and it was by far the absolute worst fuck of my life. The only time I've ever faked an orgasm just so I could be done with her.

I jumped back on SA and after a few weeks of not much the responses have been flooding in, I was going to see who I was going to go for and give intel on the rest however 2 previous ones have come back in my life, just randomly, one by chance we ran into each other on SA, the other was another way, but here are some leads for you guys.

Jazmynlovexx doesn't have a place to meet, we were talking and negotiating we were talking about 300 per meet, she didn't say outright she would do BBFS but she did say she is open to about anything once we know each other better, she indicated she might be looking for more than something casual and I took it that as this could be a way for her to find a well off BF, as cute as she is if I had that option I might have gone for it.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/51e40096-a0bc-4657-9518-c1ccfba67460[/URL]

Mysterybaby1430 exchanged some messages and text, open to BB, she was the backup to the backup to the backup plan.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/63e2f634-8c49-4407-8aa9-797663fdcd4f[/URL]

MaeRosee she started at 350 and I didn't respond after that, I thought we exchanged some text where she said BB was fine but can't find them right now.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9242d0b5-ac3b-4f45-9d74-2f609762fe54[/URL]

Queenseren she was open to meet and told me she had a hotel room and we could meet, she was fine with BB she started her price at I think 300 for a few hours time, didn't end up meeting her as had another that I met for 200 that pretty good.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/78ed1948-a138-44bd-b4c7-2f1bf5e528e0[/URL]

Kay Q I wasn't really interested in her, just happened to look at her profile and we talked back and forth and some text, her opening offer was 400? But never tried to get her lower as just didn't really care and wasn't going to meet her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/5688c303-7713-4965-b2e6-c9936cd6873e[/URL]

Mikkie_x she opened at 500 and I didn't respond. She looks good and was willing to do BB.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/df58e02f-9e37-4c26-a131-757f9455c519[/URL]

Izzybabiii she is pretty cute she was in the 200's for meeting but not BB as she doesn't take birth control and her cycle is not consistent, she is also not really one to get into sex, there is something going on there, but if you are looking to stick your dick into a young cute girl she could be the one. I would like to see her again just to see if I could get her to open up more.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/046ae1c2-964d-4d7b-82a5-cf9b5fca214f[/URL]

There are more that I will have info on it just depends how things work out with current ones I am seeing.

In addition to what I mentioned before I have had yet another girl from SA contact me, the concern is that she has moved less than 10 miles from me and she frequents several of the same stores as I do, she wants to start up again but I have tried to keep at least 20+ miles between me an any girl to reduce issues of accidental meetings, I feel she is wanting to start up as her marriage is probably ending but damn she has a great body.

Then there is another who is 15 miles from me and we are supposed to meet this weekend, she is down to do anything for 150 per meet and also has a cute tiny body, problem is she actually works at a place I go to, but she doesn't realize that.

Then there is another that contacted me that I have decided not to meet, she had confused me with the guy that she started seeing after me, she was trying to reach him to see about a DNA test as the last guy she was seeing from SA ended up getting her pregnant, she had hoped it was her BF's that she was screwing at the same time, but I know basic genetics and it cannot be his, the kid is very cute looking from the pictures she sent me.

I guess the question I have is how close is too close for your comfort? I fear the little head is taking control here and could get me in trouble.

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5065784]

Izzybabiii she is pretty cute she was in the 200's for meeting but not BB as she doesn't take birth control and her cycle is not consistent, she is also not really one to get into sex, there is something going on there, but if you are looking to stick your dick into a young cute girl she could be the one. I would like to see her again just to see if I could get her to open up more.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/046ae1c2-964d-4d7b-82a5-cf9b5fca214f[/URL][/QUOTE]Izzybabii was discussed in this post. [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10145-Non-Pro-s&p=5052045&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5052045.

[QUOTE=Twister100;5065800]Izzybabii was discussed in this post. [URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?10145-Non-Pro-s&p=5052045&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5052045.[/QUOTE]I thought I had mentioned her before, given a text I rec'd from yet another SA girl she is now off my list.

Hey all, new to the hobby and would love some advice in setting up the SA profile. Is it wise to use photos of my face? Once I have established contact should I immediately suggest we move the conversation to another platform? Thanks in advance for any helpful advice. Please feel free to offer any other advice that has been successful for you. Once I get some contacts going I will hopefully be able to provide information to our community.

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5065797]In addition to what I mentioned before I have had yet another girl from SA contact me, the concern is that she has moved less than 10 miles from me and she frequents several of the same stores as I do, she wants to start up again but I have tried to keep at least 20+ miles between me an any girl to reduce issues of accidental meetings, I feel she is wanting to start up as her marriage is probably ending but damn she has a great body.

Then there is another who is 15 miles from me and we are supposed to meet this weekend, she is down to do anything for 150 per meet and also has a cute tiny body, problem is she actually works at a place I go to, but she doesn't realize that.

Then there is another that contacted me that I have decided not to meet, she had confused me with the guy that she started seeing after me, she was trying to reach him to see about a DNA test as the last guy she was seeing from SA ended up getting her pregnant, she had hoped it was her BF's that she was screwing at the same time, but I know basic genetics and it cannot be his, the kid is very cute looking from the pictures she sent me.

I guess the question I have is how close is too close for your comfort? I fear the little head is taking control here and could get me in trouble.[/QUOTE]I used to worry about the same thing, but when I thought about it I realized the 99% of the time I am out and about I'm by myself. Most of my close friends don't live real close and I don't spend a lot of time in public with my sugar babies, so I don't worry about that too much. I did have a close call once, was having a drink with a sugar baby and ran into an old work acquaintance, but was able to play it off and it wasn't like it was a close friend. That happened probably 30 miles from where I live. I did run into a girl that I was seeing in Home Depot near my house, she was early 20's, and she was with her dad (who was probably younger than me). She saw me and winked at me as she walked past. We had a date already set up for a couple of days later and laughed about it, but it seemed to turn her on that we had seen each other at the store. Took her ass for the first time that date.

So to answer your question, I don't worry too much about it.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;5065433]Defiantly an improvement since before I got banned from there (still haven't figured out a way to work around it) 95% of all the women wanted thousands of dollars per meet up and online only junk. I'd go back but the ban thing. I believe I got banned discussing money amounts inside E-mails to these women and they would get insulted at $300 per meet up and report when they expect thousands and new cars, trips to the moon, a swimming pool of only fresh Crisp $100 bills every morning.[/QUOTE]Yeah I actually stay away from discussing any monetary arrangements until I get them on txt. If there is too much back and forth I just leave her a message that I don't think we are a good fit and ban her ass. That has worked pretty well for me. I actually have 2-3 different canned opening statements that are to the point but do not give any direct details. Just imply that I am not going to take them shopping or wine or dine them. That sets the stage. A lot of them ignore this initial messge. The ones that make it past this phase. Almost all convert over to texting knowing that I am only there to fuck for money. I have no interest in doing the shit they would expect their husbands or boyfrineds to. Sorry you got banned. I am sure you have tried the onion browser (TOR) or a VPN. Neither of those allowed you to create another profile?

[QUOTE=SaltyMeat;5066453]Hey all, new to the hobby and would love some advice in setting up the SA profile. Is it wise to use photos of my face? Once I have established contact should I immediately suggest we move the conversation to another platform? Thanks in advance for any helpful advice. Please feel free to offer any other advice that has been successful for you. Once I get some contacts going I will hopefully be able to provide information to our community.[/QUOTE]The photos I use include my face, but they are mostly whole upper body shots with the face not being the focus. Unlike actual escorts, some of these women wouldn't fuck every dude who reaches out to them. In common parlance, you got to work them. I would recommend putting a decently detailed Bio and "What you are looking for". Hint at wanting sex, but try to come of classy and don't mention PPM.

A lot of the really good girls don't like to do just 1 date. So if you bring up PPM in the conversation they may stop responding. I try to keep it respectful and spin a story about long term crap. If it is any consolation if the sex is good, you can keep them around for a few months which is long term. Make sure not to tell each girl about the other girls you are seeing. There was a time I was seeing three girls simultaneously and barebacking all of them in every hole before the pandemic. Right now I am working at least 5 of them and expect to bed three of them next week. Takes some effort. Make sure to be a gentleman in your conversation. Reserve the dirty talk and the nasty stuff for once you get them into a bed.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5067417]Yeah I actually stay away from discussing any monetary arrangements until I get them on txt. If there is too much back and forth I just leave her a message that I don't think we are a good fit and ban her ass. That has worked pretty well for me. I actually have 2-3 different canned opening statements that are to the point but do not give any direct details. Just imply that I am not going to take them shopping or wine or dine them. That sets the stage. A lot of them ignore this initial messge. The ones that make it past this phase. Almost all convert over to texting knowing that I am only there to fuck for money. I have no interest in doing the shit they would expect their husbands or boyfrineds to. Sorry you got banned. I am sure you have tried the onion browser (TOR) or a VPN. Neither of those allowed you to create another profile?[/QUOTE]TOR or a VPN don't always work to get back on SA. I have moved on to SB and it works fine.

Yes, you need to get them over to text before you actually start negotiating, especially on SA. My usual approach is to let them talk about their problems and what and why they need money for, both because it makes me seem sympathetic and because its lets me gauge how deep a hole they are in. If they sound too generic or the hole sounds too deep or too weird I usually bail at that point. Otherwise I put an offer on the table, as it were.

I usually prefer to meet them face-to-face someplace public (e. G. Starbuck's) for a short meet-and-greet before getting to the sticky stuff. That lets me screen out ones that are too weird or too unlike their pictures (I met two who appeared pleasantly thick on their profile but were in fact enormously obese -- one at a half-dozen pastries in the fifteen minutes we met before I could escape). Usually about two thirds convert.

For me, repeatedly emphasizing that you are extremely busy (that is the truth) and have very little spare time also is an effective screen. That lets me keep the initial M&Gs very short (fifteen minutes unless I decide I am *very* interested). Once I've kind of scoped out the girl and patiently listened to her troubles I usually just lay it out there:

Me: Okay, it sounds like I can help you out.

Her: Yes!

Me: So I am staying at the Hilton Garden Inn in _XXXXX_ tonight. You can come by this evening and we can spend some private time together and get acquainted. I think $X00 is fair, although if you want to spend more time together a higher number is acceptable.

Her: Sounds good! What time?

Me: 8 pm is fine.

Depending on the girl and what conversations have gone on before I might get a lot more explicit. Especially if the girl is older and has been on SB for a while I am a lot more likely to be very explicit.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5067417]Yeah I actually stay away from discussing any monetary arrangements until I get them on txt. If there is too much back and forth I just leave her a message that I don't think we are a good fit and ban her ass. That has worked pretty well for me. I actually have 2-3 different canned opening statements that are to the point but do not give any direct details. Just imply that I am not going to take them shopping or wine or dine them. That sets the stage. A lot of them ignore this initial messge. The ones that make it past this phase. Almost all convert over to texting knowing that I am only there to fuck for money. I have no interest in doing the shit they would expect their husbands or boyfrineds to. Sorry you got banned. I am sure you have tried the onion browser (TOR) or a VPN. Neither of those allowed you to create another profile?[/QUOTE]The Site has gotten clever, I have hidden my VPN but you cannot change it to another country the site auto blocks you. I made a virtual Credit card where you can put any name and address you want on it, and made new e-mail addresses, the only thing I have not done is change my phone number which I think is the last part of the puzzle. For a site that charges $90 they are really hardcore on this crap.

Hey guys. No longer on sa but this girl keeps texting me (I assume off sa or maybe a previous escort). I only have the phone number and she has sent a few photos and a video clip but I don't know if she's legit. Unsure the best way to ask for intel so apologies if I over share details.

Her number is 206*6352.

[QUOTE=Pooner05;5068330]Hey guys. No longer on sa but this girl keeps texting me (I assume off sa or maybe a previous escort). I only have the phone number and she has sent a few photos and a video clip but I don't know if she's legit. Unsure the best way to ask for intel so apologies if I over share details.

Her number is 206*6352.[/QUOTE]Yes. She's also texting me wanting to meet right away. She's not legit, but I've been playing along. Yesterday, I told her let's meet some place and go to a hotel. She couldn't give me her approximate location and then eventually said that she'd rather just drive out to see me. She also sent me photos of two obviously different people. I'll keep on her and let you know if something happens. If she is legit (I doubt it), the pictures of girls that she is texting me are really cute.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;5067997]The Site has gotten clever, I have hidden my VPN but you cannot change it to another country the site auto blocks you. I made a virtual Credit card where you can put any name and address you want on it, and made new e-mail addresses, the only thing I have not done is change my phone number which I think is the last part of the puzzle. For a site that charges $90 they are really hardcore on this crap[/QUOTE]I have tried using the grocery store prepaid MasterCards and Visas, but they did not work for me. Apparently, SA uses a foreign payment processor. Can you tell us how to create a virtual card? Which website do you use?

[QUOTE=Michael1967;5068406]Yes. She's also texting me wanting to meet right away. She's not legit, but I've been playing along. Yesterday, I told her let's meet some place and go to a hotel. She couldn't give me her approximate location and then eventually said that she'd rather just drive out to see me. She also sent me photos of two obviously different people. I'll keep on her and let you know if something happens. If she is legit (I doubt it), the pictures of girls that she is texting me are really cute.[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree the girls hot. Seems super fake and aggro but part of me wishes it's real LOL.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;5067417]Yeah I actually stay away from discussing any monetary arrangements until I get them on txt. [/QUOTE]I try to not even do that. For most of my past arrangements, I try to meet the person first. I am a bit older, so I don't need to play right away, I can wait a day or two to arrange a proper play date after the meet-and-greet. 1. That way, I can see that the person is someone that I would actually want a play date with. And 2. There is no paper or electronic trail of me offering anything.

The exception is if the lady in question initiates the monetary conversation, then I will carry on, but even then try to stay away from what I want to do during a play date, much less even negotiations around BB anything.

The meet-and-greet, if it goes well, and we seem to dig each other, will usually end with me saying, "Well, this is great, and I would love to see you again in a more intimate setting. What are you looking for from a transactional arrangement?" That's when we get into the discussion on dollars and hosting arrangements. Just seem simpler and cleaner that way.

I learned the hard way to try to do a meet-and-greet first to see about mutual attraction. One of my first encounter in the SB world had good looking pictures, but artistically shot. When she walked into my hotel room, yes, it's the same woman, but who ever said the cameral ADDED 10 pounds lied. Her camera SUBTRACTED at least 30 pounds. But she was there, so I completed the deed. Her sob story convinced me to give her a more than generous allowance for the meet. But after that, I try to meet every SB personally before the play date.

There are other exceptions, like when I would meet someone while on business travel. In those cases, some of the details will need to be hammered out beforehand. But even then, we would meet either for drinks or dinner before play. That way, either party could back out, and worst case, she gets a nice meal out of the M&G.

[QUOTE=RichardQ;5068417]I have tried using the grocery store prepaid MasterCards and Visas, but they did not work for me. Apparently, SA uses a foreign payment processor. Can you tell us how to create a virtual card? Which website do you use?[/QUOTE]I went to [URL]https://privacy.com/[/URL].

You hook it up through your checking account.

[QUOTE=RichardQ;5068417]I have tried using the grocery store prepaid MasterCards and Visas, but they did not work for me. Apparently, SA uses a foreign payment processor. Can you tell us how to create a virtual card? Which website do you use?[/QUOTE]I have had that issue a few will work do not get them from Walmart as for some reason those didn't work.

Try Safeway, CVS, Riteaide or similar, look for prepaid visa 100.00 often it will have a saying on the front like "A gift for you", I actually only get those as I know they work.

[QUOTE=BrstMan;5068631]I have had that issue a few will work do not get them from Walmart as for some reason those didn't work.

Try Safeway, CVS, Riteaide or similar, look for prepaid visa 100.00 often it will have a saying on the front like "A gift for you", I actually only get those as I know they work.[/QUOTE]I've found that you need to register the card. Just use a fake address in Seattle. Then use that address when you're on SA. And give it time between registering and using the card on SA.

I had reinstated my account for less than 5 in before I got a favorite from someone in Bogota.

She blocked me so I can't link. She messaged about an arrangement, mentioned she's in florida for a month and asked if that was a dealbreaker. I said I wasn't into online but would happily discuss a meet when she got back. Insta-blocked me.