Up Front and MnG Payments
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6016964]So it is good that guys are NOT paying advances or NOT paying for meet and greets! That's good for the guys to not get rinsed.
But me thinks the young ladies need to understand that said approach is not viable or is not the norm. But that only comes when the reality is presented to them. Now the natural instinct is to toss it in her face or be snarky in a reply. But what these girls need is an "education" or perhaps to hear the same thing over and over, until it sinks in. As OP posted, if there are no takers for the product on offer then one needs to look for different approaches. But in today's "cancel culture" it would seem that delivery and or style is the key to any message being "heard. "
So that begs the question:
[B]What specifically does one say to a girl, in a polite way that her "money up front" scheme won't fly here? [/B]
How do we word things so we don't offend, yet let her know we are open to an arrangement if the money up front part goes away?
[I][font=times]We catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And we may not catch this one, but we can do our part to "educate" her along the way.[/font][/I][/QUOTE]This is easy for me. The situations come up so frequently that I have copy-paste answers ready to go. If someone asks for money prior to meeting, I send the following:
"The Seeking admins send daily reminders to people to never send money before at least one in-person meeting. It tells people that 999 times out of 1000 it is a scammer asking. There are just an overwhelming number of men on here pretending to be women or real women begging for money who then disappear. Only newbies fall for that now and they usually only do it once. I am sure you are real and only asking that because you are new on the site."
If they ask for a large amount just to meet, I send the following:
"As you may have discovered, there are a wide range of views on how to handle the first meeting. I know for a fact that there are some men who offer 100-200 or more to women just to meet them once with nothing more expected. There are only a few of these and they are very selective. Some men will promise a large sum and then never pay. Other men refuse to offer anything beyond a token amount for a first meeting. I am in the latter group. I used to offer large amounts but quickly discovered that many if not most of the women I was meeting had no interest in me. They just wanted to collect the money and get the meeting over with as quickly as possible. I would rather only meet with women who see it as the first step in a potential long term arrangement with me."
If they do not find my message persuasive, they are either scammers, rinsers or unreasonable. Any of those triggers disqualification and I "regretfully" move on.
BAM.
Some intelligence gathering
Met up a couple weeks back with a good female friend of mine from college. She's mid 30's, attractive, former collegiate volleyball player, and has a 6 figure income and an engineering degree. Turns out she's actually doing platonic sugar relationships. Apparently she has no problem getting 350 ppm completely platonic dates. She has 1-2 of them lined up per week, and is booked for several months out. She does them because she enjoys the company usually w / successful people, and she's a foodie and essentially gets paid to eat somewhere super nice for dinner every week.
Apparently she runs into a lot of really busy successful older men in their mid 40's to late 50's who never had / have time for a real stable relationship of any sort and are lonely. She's extremely clear ahead of time that she is strictly looking only for platonic, and still has no problems lining up dates.
So to all those complaining about people paying too much and raising the base-rate and expectations, unfortunately it's not going to matter. People out there are paying for this stuff!
