"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513] In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]I agree w / Fish that her having a BF is NBD. However, the bowl is a place where nothing is exactly what it seems. Better get used to her keeping secrets from you. You presumably are doing the same w / her, yes? I will quote a PM I just got from Cephlapod Love: "I have found that about half of what these girls tell me is true. LOL! I. Take it with a grain of salt". My experience is less extensive but it seems like that's a good rule of thumb to use. They're all models, right? Don't drink her Kool-Aid.

I have observed that plenty of babies aren't very concerned about keeping a secret identity, and in many cases I have tracked down their facts with not much effort, or they have come out early. But their worries are different than ours. They don't want to become targets of freaks or stalkers. Once they've concluded we're not that, they're usually pretty good. We (the 40% of us on SA who are married, reportedly) are trying to avoid discovery. A different kettle of fish. That's forever.

Actually, there are a few of us here who are as interested in the personal as the sexual connection w / babies, and I would say the bowl is a little deficient in this regard. You can share your essence as a person, but not really your life b / c you're preserving anonymity. I have aliases for my *dogs* I use when talking w / my baby, and I can't even show her their pictures b / c they are so distinctive (think Spuds McKenzie). I have a pretty admirable life / career I'm quite proud of, and I think it makes me more attractive to women generally, but I can't really share that w / a baby b / c it reveals too much. She just knows I am smart, have money, and fuck her silly (which is plenty).

You all know I am pretty new to the bowl. As an indicator, when I'm alone in my car I still find myself shouting "I am fucking a hot 21-year old OMFG! (I didn't put that in the all-caps for shouting as I know it gets deleted.) Remember those days?

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Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]By no means let her know you're 'snooping' on her. While it is relatively normal for most people to check-up on partners, it still weirds many people out.

I posted a while ago about a new app Beewake that let people book hotel rooms by the hour.

It now has a web interface as well. I did some searching earlier today to see availability. They had rooms in NY, Chicago, and San Fran. None of the available rooms were the Ritz, but in NY they had an Aloft in the financial district. Surprisingly they had nothing in LA, or DC.

They definitely seem to be growing so let's hope they get coverage in more locales soon!

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3126647]I posted a while ago about a new app Beewake that let people book hotel rooms by the hour.
It now has a web interface as well. I did some searching earlier today to see availability. They had rooms in NY, Chicago, and San Fran. None of the available rooms were the Ritz, but in NY they had an Aloft in the financial district. Surprisingly they had nothing in LA, or DC.
They definitely seem to be growing so let's hope they get coverage in more locales soon![/QUOTE]I'm just waiting for some entrepreneur to tap into the demand for short-term sex rooms. Something mobile like a FuckTruckDotCom app where you put in a parking lot location for the guy and girl to arrive, and the equivalent of an Uber driver shows up in a custom van with a bed in the back. I would say self-driving fuck trucks are the future but then who would change the sheets between sessions?

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3126708]I'm just waiting for some entrepreneur to tap into the demand for short-term sex rooms. Something mobile like a FuckTruckDotCom app where you put in a parking lot location for the guy and girl to arrive, and the equivalent of an Uber driver shows up in a custom van with a bed in the back. I would say self-driving fuck trucks are the future but then who would change the sheets between sessions?[/QUOTE]I'm just the paranoid type, so would be suspicious of someones "pre-set" FC on wheels. Do I have to become an expert in surveillance to insure our session doesn't end up on some website like that fake taxi in London?

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3126708]I'm just waiting for some entrepreneur to tap into the demand for short-term sex rooms. Something mobile like a FuckTruckDotCom app where you put in a parking lot location for the guy and girl to arrive, and the equivalent of an Uber driver shows up in a custom van with a bed in the back. I would say self-driving fuck trucks are the future but then who would change the sheets between sessions?[/QUOTE]In Japan they have 'love hotels' b / c people often have little privacy at home. The rooms come complete w / accoutrements and supplies of your choice.

[blue]We have them here in Buenos Aires as well. Most civilized cities do.

Shit is uptight in Sex Prison, I feel for my brothers.

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[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3126750]I'm just the paranoid type, so would be suspicious of someones "pre-set" FC on wheels. Do I have to become an expert in surveillance to insure our session doesn't end up on some website like that fake taxi in London?[/QUOTE]Umm. Well I hate to point out the obvious but FakeTaxi is a staged site with professional actresses. So, if you want to own your own porn company then yeah I'd have to probably recommend go ahead and investing in a camera. Otherwise you're probably overestimating the amount of privacy you get once you go on the internet at all. For example, phpbb itself has so many backdoors and security exploits available that are an inherent part of the software source code base, that someone with the right skills can quickly track a username to a real identity on a forum like this without too much effort. The Internet has never been a safe zone for anything.

True, but there are actually many girls who are not fucking machines like most of us are. They don't necessarily live to be fucked and hunger for the next dick. Even though you can't count on fidelity, often they are happy with one guy and not looking for more. Eventually, every young girl will want "the real deal" and move on.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3126802]True, but there are actually many girls who are not fucking machines like most of us are. They don't necessarily live to be fucked and hunger for the next dick. Even though you can't count on fidelity, often they are happy with one guy and not looking for more. Eventually, every young girl will want "the real deal" and move on.[/QUOTE]My first SB asked for an exclusive. She was a single mom and she just didn't have time to be dealing w / multiple guys. I never wondered if she was honoring that. Of course, she needed to max her return on me, which eventually proved our undoing.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;3126802]True, but there are actually many girls who are not fucking machines like most of us are. They don't necessarily live to be fucked and hunger for the next dick. Even though you can't count on fidelity, often they are happy with one guy and not looking for more. Eventually, every young girl will want "the real deal" and move on.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear I wasn't saying all women are cheaters. I was saying if someone is paying an SB, it's not realistic to expect her to be exclusive just because she says she is. Just like I gift them to create emotional separation, if she is being paid, then there is an emotional separation there. Most women find themselves feeling like they are missing something when there is an emotional gap in their relationship, so if for example they are married to an older guy that pays all the bills, at some point they will start to crave that feeling of being with someone just because you care about each other, they tend to stray and find emotional friends / lovers to supplement their primary relationship -- relationships that are intentionally not based on money. Are there exceptions? Sure, particularly when measured over some period of time other than eternity. But given enough time, girls of a certain age will usually stray, at least occasionally, out of the arms of MisterMoney and into the arms of someone else, even if only for a fling.

This does not include the class of SBs that get flipped into real girlfriends. Some of the guys that have done that would have to comment. I'm sure that if the money is removed, and the girl loves the guy, she's capable of being loyal. I just don't have experience with turning an SB into an LTR.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]I'd be curious about this, would you PM? I wonder if I've come across her is all.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3126750]I'm just the paranoid type, so would be suspicious of someones "pre-set" FC on wheels. Do I have to become an expert in surveillance to insure our session doesn't end up on some website like that fake taxi in London?[/QUOTE]Think of the great pick-up lines "hey meet me in the parking lot of the Piggly Wiggly"!

All (98% or more) SA girls in some degree:

1. Lie.

2. Change their minds every 5 minutes or less.

3. Date, have sex, etc. More than one guy.

4. Have some form of mental disorder / problems.

5. Knows they deserve free money because they are special.

6. Thinks that SA is just a platonic site.

These girls are believe some or all of 1-6. Once your mind understands this, you can play the game and not have the game play you.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]

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She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]Little bit of an update. Date was fantastic. She seemed very happy with the allowance (I gave her 240 at the end of a 5 hour date, I think she'd have been happy for less but I absolutely want to lock this one down into a long term arrangement). I already thought she was a 9 physically but after undressing, definitely a 10 face 10 body. Delivered a 10 in performance as well. I found a hotel near her that includes a private 2 person whirlpool sauna in the room for 80 bucks, and was two doors down from the pool so we enjoyed both.

During the course of the date's conversation, I had the opportunity to inquire about last boyfriend and last sex. Claimed last sex was over summer, because guys her age all fall into two buckets (want a serious relationship which she doesn't want, or are an asshole). Definitely seems to enjoy the perks of dating a little bit older (she's 22 I'm 31, so it's not huge) much nicer more mature option. Always seemed stunned at little things like my offering her my coat in the cold / rain tonight. Also claimed last boyfriend was a long time ago, which I know from snooping isn't quite true. Honestly too good of a liar for me to know how much of the above is true, maybe it's all fake. Not sure I care, I'm not looking for a serious relationship and the body / sex is unbelievable, I just wish she'd be honest.

Seems entirely willing to negotiate and work on allowance aspects as well. Discussed perhaps taking help with bills etc. Over an allowance.

Still not sure how I feel about her seeing another guy and lying to my face about it, but I think at the end of the day as long as I'm satisfied with our time together I should probably just ignore it.

Also said she was ok with me taking nudes as long as we weren't in the act, will try to post some next week. Also huge fan of these young girls who are ok with bareback, condoms blow. Spoke to a couple girls yesterday who refused to allow bareback even if I showed a recent clean test. Don't think I'm going to continue chasing other options though, as much as I like variety this one plus my girlfriend are going to eat all my time away from the wife.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3126774]In Japan they have 'love hotels' b / c people often have little privacy at home. The rooms come complete w / accoutrements and supplies of your choice.

[blue]We have them here in Buenos Aires as well. Most civilized cities do.

Shit is uptight in Sex Prison, I feel for my brothers.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]What's worse is it seems like the no-tell motel is going the way of the payphone in the US. Those small family owned roadside motels that used to offer hourly stays mostly seem to be folding, falling into disrepair, selling when its an option, etc. Or maybe they stay open but they are in such shape that they are unsuitable for sugar dating. I was being a bit facetious with my FuckTruckDotCom app vision, but I don't think it's impossible to imagine something a little less "out there" happening in the future. The US is still relatively uptight about prostitution but I wonder how long it can last. Girls in high school these days dress like what would be considered streetwalkers attire 30 years ago and their moms encourage them to do so. Some of these sugar babies parents know what they do and in some cases even encourage them. Everything from social media to mainstream TV tends to raise the bar in shock value and sexual desensitization each successive year. I don't see it all going back in time and becoming more conservative, so I don't know where else it can lead except to legalized prostitution.