"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

I recently read this article where this girl charges apparently $3000 for couple of hours.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/mialee_nyc/?hl=en[/URL]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-accountant-turned-professional-093100857.html

Also because of other sb forums and only fans. There is an expectation of more money!!

So people who are banging out for 200 / kudos and.

Enjoy while you can!! I'm sure there is always someone who is paying these prices but lucky that some.

Girls tap into these highnet worth men, but still don't get why anyone would pay so much in a hourly service.

Girlfriend I understand! They are exclusive by most standards.

[QUOTE=PeterPan;6454015]I recently read this article where this girl charges apparently $3000 for couple of hours.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/mialee_nyc/?hl=en[/URL]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-accountant-turned-professional-093100857.html

Also because of other sb forums and only fans. There is an expectation of more money!!

So people who are banging out for 200 / kudos and.

Enjoy while you can!! I'm sure there is always someone who is paying these prices but lucky that some.

Girls tap into these highnet worth men, but still don't get why anyone would pay so much in a hourly service.

Girlfriend I understand! They are exclusive by most standards.[/QUOTE]She is a high powered NYC mistress. Different market than what this forum targets. You are right about OF though. That site alone has really hurt the sugarmarket b / c girls who might otherwise sugar for cash can post a few pics and a video once a week on OF and get the same amount of money as sugaring without all the risk and guilt trips. It's mindblowing but there's truth to it.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6453946]There is no checkin time. There is a time range for the booking you make, but if you're not there at the beginning or the end, no biggie. I have used it a lot. No credit card or I'd is required to make the reservation. You should cancel if you aren't going to make it, but if you don't, they have no idea your real identity and can't charge anything.

I used another site / app, HotelsByDay, during the pandemic, there was an awesome place on there. I used to meet my last long-term SB there, for like $100.

As I have a SO, I get the SB to book the room. She has to check in, and give a drivers license and credit card. Sometimes this info gets put onto the TV in the room so I get her full name that way. Before I got busted by the warden I used to get rooms myself. I found that if I paid in cash upon checkout, the credit card charge was reversed and it never even showed up on my statements.

This strategy works in nice areas. In more seedy areas, there are a lot of bad things that can happen when people pay cash for hotel rooms, so some lower level places will not accept cash (and post a sign to that effect).[/QUOTE]I've had some of the hotel front desk clearks not even know what [URL]dayuse.com[/URL] is or understand the reservation, so it's good to call before you head there to make sure they have a room, and have some idea what is going on.

By that same token, if you get the room in the afternoon, say from 2 pm to 6 pm, or a similar time, I think they probably forget about you and could probably stay longer, or even overnight. I haven't tried this before, but did leave an hour late and never heard from anyone.

[QUOTE=AdmirerSecret;6452305]How to conduct a good verification? Does a girl hold her I'd and take a picture?[/QUOTE]I've always asked them to hold up either a piece of paper with todays date or maybe an object like a toothbrush. I don't know that too many women would show I'd and I think you would need to be willing to do whatever you ask them to do.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6454315]You are right about OF though. That site alone has really hurt the sugarmarket b / c girls who might otherwise sugar for cash can post a few pics and a video once a week on OF and get the same amount of money as sugaring without all the risk and guilt trips. It's mindblowing but there's truth to it.[/QUOTE]You know how a lot of kids today want to grow up and be Youtubers? And of course there are some youtubers that make a ton of money, but pursuing youtube is like deciding you want to be a rapper or rockstar for a living. A lot of people trying and failing, and only .0001% actually succeeding.

OF is the same way. 99.999% of the girls on that make barely enough to pay for a few coffees a week, even the ones that are very attractive. During the pandemic I think OF softened the hit a lot of SBs took when meets decreased, but for most of them it could never replace a 200-300 a week SD. I have no proof of this, just what a few of my SBs have told me when they started an OF. It helped a little, not a lot, and not enough to change their sugaring habits.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6455260]You know how a lot of kids today want to grow up and be Youtubers? And of course there are some youtubers that make a ton of money, but pursuing youtube is like deciding you want to be a rapper or rockstar for a living. A lot of people trying and failing, and only .0001% actually succeeding.

OF is the same way. 99.999% of the girls on that make barely enough to pay for a few coffees a week, even the ones that are very attractive. During the pandemic I think OF softened the hit a lot of SBs took when meets decreased, but for most of them it could never replace a 200-300 a week SD. I have no proof of this, just what a few of my SBs have told me when they started an OF. It helped a little, not a lot, and not enough to change their sugaring habits.[/QUOTE]My proof is very recent. I hung out with a SB last month a few times and she said her roommate is making close to 10 K a month posting pics and videos banging her boyfriend once a week on OF. Now that's hardcore porn she's doing and most won't do that. But still, I have no reason to think she's lying or even exaggerating. But let's say she's off by 50%, that's still 5 K a month.

Regardless it's alot of work. She promotes her OF page on her IG. That's all I know. It is shocking to me there are that many losers out there paying to virtual masterbate.

The other thing is, the revenue isn't guaranteed. Simps will move on to the next hotgirl to jerk off to her videos and so forth. There has to be a ton of churn in this business.

[QUOTE=LouisHernandez;6455322]My proof is very recent. I hung out with a SB last month a few times and she said her roommate is making close to 10 K a month posting pics and videos banging her boyfriend once a week on OF. Now that's hardcore porn she's doing and most won't do that. But still, I have no reason to think she's lying or even exaggerating. But let's say she's off by 50%, that's still 5 K a month.

Regardless it's alot of work. She promotes her OF page on her IG. That's all I know. It is shocking to me there are that many losers out there paying to virtual masterbate.

The other thing is, the revenue isn't guaranteed. Simps will move on to the next hotgirl to jerk off to her videos and so forth. There has to be a ton of churn in this business.[/QUOTE]Your SBs friend is almost certainly lying / exaggerating, or you found one of the few who are doing well. Don't underestimate just how much B. S people will say to justify their behavior, and of course there's the problematic "hustle" mentality which encourages people to "think / act like they're successful" and they will be, so they "fake it til they make it" and pretend their doing way better than they are because that will make it more likely they will succeed.

The average OF girl makes $180 a month: [URL]https://influencermarketinghub.com/glossary/onlyfans/[/URL].

Only 10% of people on OF make more than $1 K a month, and only .1% make more than $6 K a month: [URL]https://ashleyjohn1189.medium.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-on-the-top-1-top-0-1-and-top-10-of-all-onlyfans-creators-30631d964665[/URL].

So if you're messaging a 100 SBs a month, if ALL of them have OF (and of course not all of them bother, but IF you only message girls that use OF), only 10 of them will make $1 K a month, and only 1 of them make a living wage doing it.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: the numbers are so far into SDs favor there is NO reason for any SD to put up with GPS.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6455586]Your SBs friend is almost certainly lying / exaggerating, or you found one of the few who are doing well. Don't underestimate just how much B. S people will say to justify their behavior, and of course there's the problematic "hustle" mentality which encourages people to "think / act like they're successful" and they will be, so they "fake it til they make it" and pretend their doing way better than they are because that will make it more likely they will succeed.

The average OF girl makes $180 a month: [URL]https://influencermarketinghub.com/glossary/onlyfans/[/URL].

Only 10% of people on OF make more than $1 K a month, and only .1% make more than $6 K a month: [URL]https://ashleyjohn1189.medium.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-on-the-top-1-top-0-1-and-top-10-of-all-onlyfans-creators-30631d964665[/URL].

So if you're messaging a 100 SBs a month, if ALL of them have OF (and of course not all of them bother, but IF you only message girls that use OF), only 10 of them will make $1 K a month, and only 1 of them make a living wage doing it.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: the numbers are so far into SDs favor there is NO reason for any SD to put up with GPS.[/QUOTE]Well you have convinced me. All I have is some SBs word which is at best anecdotal. I do know the sugar market has gotten much harder since a few years ago and I'm looking for an explanation. I think it's a variety of factors, the biggest one being younger dudes playing the game (and I'm getting older too). I've also gotten a little pickier after being catfished by fatties one too many times. The hobby isn't cheap if you keep a ledger, so I'd rather close less SBs who are higher quality (younger, thinner), than more at lower quality. Plus I'm hyperfocused on the amateur UTRs which by definition are hard to find.

Has anyone seen the following?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/620b5353-586f-430c-8b97-f3114bdda8f2[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/bdc68589-2f6d-4ade-a00a-aba035115951[/URL]

Few reports:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/7fa21bab-cb58-47ae-a455-9a2ac150b9fe[/URL]

Super petite in person, wanted 800 PPM but talked her to 350 PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b186b0f-3bc0-4025-8420-ca35120b86f3[/URL]

Has a little tummy, but overall sweet girl who'll do 200 PPM. Crazy pierced, was feeling wild and reliving my scene time LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3ff66048-d975-40a8-8d60-5962a213c23c[/URL]

Insanely high PPM, but BBFS you name it, it's a bit awkward.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb0a6c0e-270d-4ce8-ac30-f77107f07c7c[/URL]

Really pretty and petite in person, wants 700 PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/047cadd6-39bb-442e-a549-66fca3d48bbf[/URL]

A bit chubbier from her photos, anywhere from 100-200 PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5deae506-69f6-48a0-99ab-8bff0a9fbebe[/URL]

Thicker, can host, pretty flakey. 200 PPM.

If anyone would be so kind to share some Asians, I'd really appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6457357]Has anyone seen the following?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/620b5353-586f-430c-8b97-f3114bdda8f2[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/bdc68589-2f6d-4ade-a00a-aba035115951[/URL]

it.[/QUOTE]The links seem to go to your messages? Or maybe they aren't still active? And thanks for the reports. Wish I had some positives to talk about!

[QUOTE=PeoplePleasur;6457519]The links seem to go to your messages? Or maybe they aren't still active? And thanks for the reports. Wish I had some positives to talk about![/QUOTE]Here is the link again:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/706e737b-fe11-42d0-8846-25b6998aaa77[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3e2d16ef-e986-4914-96fb-73c8669ff113[/URL]

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6457357]Has anyone seen the following?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/620b5353-586f-430c-8b97-f3114bdda8f2[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/bdc68589-2f6d-4ade-a00a-aba035115951[/URL]

Few reports:

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/sent/7fa21bab-cb58-47ae-a455-9a2ac150b9fe[/URL]

Super petite in person, wanted 800 PPM but talked her to 350 PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8b186b0f-3bc0-4025-8420-ca35120b86f3[/URL]

Has a little tummy, but overall sweet girl who'll do 200 PPM. Crazy pierced, was feeling wild and reliving my scene time LOL.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3ff66048-d975-40a8-8d60-5962a213c23c[/URL]

Insanely high PPM, but BBFS you name it, it's a bit awkward.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/eb0a6c0e-270d-4ce8-ac30-f77107f07c7c[/URL]

Really pretty and petite in person, wants 700 PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/047cadd6-39bb-442e-a549-66fca3d48bbf[/URL]

A bit chubbier from her photos, anywhere from 100-200 PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5deae506-69f6-48a0-99ab-8bff0a9fbebe[/URL]

Thicker, can host, pretty flakey. 200 PPM.[/QUOTE]For any of the high PPM ones, did you meet and if so, was it worth it?

[QUOTE=Atlvoy;6457357]Has anyone seen the following?

If anyone would be so kind to share some Asians, I'd really appreciate it.[/QUOTE]You need to link to the profiles, not your messages. Click on their profile, THEN copy the address. Don't just right click on their message and copy link. We can't view your messages.

[QUOTE=GoneForGood97;6457650]You need to link to the profiles, not your messages. Click on their profile, THEN copy the address. Don't just right click on their message and copy link. We can't view your messages.[/QUOTE]I've made a comment on the ones regarding the message. So hopefully the new post reflects that.

[QUOTE=SuperFlee;6457542]For any of the high PPM ones, did you meet and if so, was it worth it?[/QUOTE]Really hope he didn't pay 700 to a black SB in Atlanta. That's like paying for sand at the beach. She's a cutie, but there's a LOT of ebony options in Atlanta, many of which are cuter, for half that or less.