"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EnzoAmore;3124520]Everything was cool. I left and on the way home, she texts nice things then asks if I want to do an arrangement. It gets down to "I don't sleep with with strangers sorry" so my reply was "I don't give money to strangers, sorry".

I also said I am not interested in a girl who wants a money grab. My tactics sort of worked. We will see. I think I am going to probably forget this one.[/QUOTE]That sounds a little like my one horror-date SB. She met me, then cut our date short, then started texting me about whether I wanted to fuck her or not and if so why I didn't advance quickly enough. It became clear she cut the date short so that she could text me about money (she apparently didn't have the courage to discuss in person I guess). It went no where fast, I said thanks but no thanks. I later looked her up on FB and she was in a very serious relationship with another girl. I thought about the old joke "she didn't like ME? She just be a lezbo". LOL. But in that one case it was true.

The only other M&G I've had that didn't go to the FC was different. I just wasn't into her, the pics were better than the real person. Very nice girl and can't even say she misrepresented herself at all, just didn't feel motivated -- I felt a little bad about it but I had to say thanks but no thanks again for a different reason.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3124902]LS. I would have PMed you with this?, but your mailbox is full. I wondered what that AF acronym was. Asian female, or a typo. I'd also appreciate gleaning from your local knowledge, as you are in near and I am relatively new, so I will review all your old posts.

I M&G w / a girl today w / a 213 area code. Found her from my CL ad. She is now setting up a studio girls can do webcams from. I found one of her ads for girls and it says she was a performer for 6 years. Very pretty, bangin' body, smart, business oriented. I am trying to track down if she was / is someone that whole webcam community knows about. Any suggestions how I go about that? I can't find anything on this site. And I don't know what that would mean for her potential as a SB.[/QUOTE]Hi.

I shoot content for a number of cam girls pm me.

Cheers.

Have seen of recent several SBs who post in their profiles that they are open to a platonic relationship. Now, I don't waste time on them as there are plenty of fish in the bowl. Also I am aware of the long diatribes about moving on when a girl doesn't fit a set criteria. So I get that. Not interested in those style of comments.

But I am wondering if any dudes have flipped such a girl and what were their experiences? Anything in their profile that was key that they might flip?

Just askin'.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3125387] Also I am aware of the long diatribes about moving on when a girl doesn't fit a set criteria. So I get that. Not interested in those style of comments. [/QUOTE]Then today's your lucky day because there is an FAQ entry customized just for folks like you: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2619514&viewfull=1#post2619514[/URL].

It takes so much less effort to just not read that which doesn't interest you than it does to publicly cry about its existence.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3125387]Have seen of recent several SBs who post in their profiles that they are open to a platonic relationship. Now, I don't waste time on them as there are plenty of fish in the bowl. Also I am aware of the long diatribes about moving on when a girl doesn't fit a set criteria. So I get that. Not interested in those style of comments.

But I am wondering if any dudes have flipped such a girl and what were their experiences? Anything in their profile that was key that they might flip?

Just askin'.[/QUOTE]True story: Just last week I sent a message to a college girl that had platonic in her bio because she was cute. She reaffirmed no sex preference in her initial response, then I said I approach this as a normal relationship which does include intimacy and wished her well. Her very next message said she would not only meet me intimately but would be willing to bring a cute friend (sent pics) if I wanted both! Although they were ready, 2. 5 K each / month was too pricey for a long term arrangement (my preference). You never know!

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3125565]True story: Just last week I sent a message to a college girl that had platonic in her bio because she was cute. She reaffirmed no sex preference in her initial response, then I said I approach this as a normal relationship which does include intimacy and wished her well. Her very next message said she would not only meet me intimately but would be willing to bring a cute friend (sent pics) if I wanted both! Although they were ready, 2. 5 K each / month was too pricey for a long term arrangement (my preference). You never know![/QUOTE]The advice from Hollywood Guy has been that you should never take at face value something a girl <23 puts in her profile. They're just clueless in some cases. The 'expectation' in particular they may not have paid attention to, or especially been able to do the math to figure out that 5 meets / mo at 10 K / mo is 2 K / meet - 'High' just sounded good to them. Some girls may put platonic b / c they don't want to be approached like hookers, and reading profiles it is apparent that many guys on SA are making approaches in the crudest ways. I've heard the same stories from my babies too. If I liked a girl who says platonic, I'd try them.

There are other pointers about who to approach based on the profile you can find here or on the archive post. I was VERY impressed w / the point JZlizard made recently that girls who put stuff in like 'I don't need luxury goods and fancy dinners, I'm a starving college student and need tuition' were immediate rule-outs. You can read his rationale, which I find impeccable, but this was a great pointer for me, a relative newbie. On its face, that profile draws my attention (well, it did) as it sounds like someone who is reasonable. Maybe that is the problem. They are flinty-eyed accountants, not wild babies who want to do something adventurous including suck the dick of someone old enough to be their grandpa (me).

So I learned a very important lesson. Much like the escorting world you need to remember that everything is negotiable. So long story short I met a girl on Match in January and she was a young Ukrainian girl who was going to a local community college. She wanted to be exclusive and there was a 20 year gap but I eventually agreed. We date for 3 months and I find a profile she had made on SA. As soon as I find out I kicked her to the curb. Looking back I wish I had stuck it out. It would have been good to get that pussy for free while someone was paying for it but what got me mad was that she lied to me. She was was a good looking girl trying to get into the medical field and shew as asking for moderate expectation which I believe is about $3 K / month. I did my research and I was able to find someone on this board who paid her $200 to go to the FC. So leason here is don't be afraid to reach out to those expensive SB. At the end of the day they may be likely to come way down.

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3125861]So I learned a very important lesson. Much like the escorting world you need to remember that everything is negotiable. So long story short I met a girl on Match in January and she was a young Ukrainian girl who was going to a local community college. She wanted to be exclusive and there was a 20 year gap but I eventually agreed. We date for 3 months and I find a profile she had made on SA. As soon as I find out I kicked her to the curb. Looking back I wish I had stuck it out. It would have been good to get that pussy for free while someone was paying for it but what got me mad was that she lied to me. She was was a good looking girl trying to get into the medical field and shew as asking for moderate expectation which I believe is about $3 K / month. I did my research and I was able to find someone on this board who paid her $200 to go to the FC. So leason here is don't be afraid to reach out to those expensive SB. At the end of the day they may be likely to come way down.[/QUOTE]K you lost me on this. Your mad because you got cheated on civy dating a younger woman. Did you fall in love omr what am I missing. What was you footing bill wise. Alot of these girls have multiplex daddies so if your getting it for free what was you out other than free puszsy and I guess an emotional attachment that wasn't returned? Still looks win win to me.

Happened to me too (on Tinder). I signed up a few days ago just to check things out. (turns out I did spot a few SB on there, one from SA). My first match sounded great and close by. We exchanged a few messages and suddenly bam, she asks me to verify my age with a credit card. WTF? I ignored her, but she keeps insisting. Little do I know that I'm talking to a "bot".

[URL]http://fusion.net/story/181565/am-i-chatting-with-a-bot/[/URL]

So it turns out, if you get a match immediately or within a few seconds, you're probably talking to an algorithm. If in doubt, ask her to spell "Me so horny" backwards.

On a related note, I got a reply on SA today, no intro no nothing, just straight up telling me the only way she'll agree to meet is if I first send her a gift via Venmo "to make sure I'm real". Yaa, right. Blocker her.

[QUOTE=TravelinSD;3124892]In my perusing of Tinder and CL I've run across the scam of sending you to a verification site a bunch of times. This was the first time I've seen it on SA and seemed to be for SA's background verification. There were several strange things about her profile. Her ethnicity was listed as Native American, but her pic is a pale white blonde. Her profile talks about looking for a long term relationship, but her first message is asking me to get together to be an "nsa sex buddy" at a luxury hotel she's staying at. That's always a red flag for a scammer. The 3rd tip off is that her grammar was just a touch awkward with strange phrasing of things. Anyway, she of course says to meet I have to get SA's LDS (Local Discreet Stamp of SA). I do notice that SA's background check is with a 3rd party company. Perhaps that company is placing false profiles to scam people into the service.

Good hunting,

Travelin.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3125387]Have seen of recent several SBs who post in their profiles that they are open to a platonic relationship. Now, I don't waste time on them as there are plenty of fish in the bowl. Also I am aware of the long diatribes about moving on when a girl doesn't fit a set criteria. So I get that. Not interested in those style of comments.

But I am wondering if any dudes have flipped such a girl and what were their experiences? Anything in their profile that was key that they might flip?

Just askin'.[/QUOTE]I've flipped many hunnies in the AMP world. I'd suggest try asking them if they'd be open to something less than FC, e. G. Massage, lingerie modeling, BJ / HJ, even body painting. If they agree to giving / receiving nude massage, and they can see that you're a nice guy, not a freak or psycho, and that they can make much more, 9/10 you're golden. Just don't do anything stupid, don't be pushy, be on your best manners and be prepared to go home packing blue balls if she's not ready for it.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3125951]K you lost me on this. Your mad because you got cheated on civy dating a younger woman. Did you fall in love omr what am I missing. What was you footing bill wise. Alot of these girls have multiplex daddies so if your getting it for free what was you out other than free puszsy and I guess an emotional attachment that wasn't returned? Still looks win win to me.[/QUOTE]Well I can kind of relate to his story, because more than once I've met girls that were "reluctant SBs" on Match, and I can tell you they are frustrating as hell to date. They will tell you that the fact you're twice their age is not a problem for them, just don't ever mistake them for a gold-digger because that's not them. They will go so far out of their way to separate any sort of financial support from the equation, yet simultaneously complain about financial problems. To give a prime example, I had a 24 year old lingerie model (a real one, not a "craigslist" lingerie model but one that received paychecks from a lingerie company), and I once handed her a sealed white envelope full of cash, which I had intentionally put as many $10 bills in as possible to fatten the envelope. As she sat there and considered it, I could see her massaging the paper between her thumb and forefinger trying to guess at the amount, but ultimately she handed it back to me without opening it. They will go through all these backward somersaults to prove to you how much they don't want your money, then later you see them on an SD site and they go "oh! Haha! I just did that as a joke I forgot that profile was there".

So yes, it can be frustrating as hell. You don't have to be in love with them to get fed up with their games. They are on Match because they are looking for something real (real but old enough to be their dad in many cases). But, its as if they are lining that one up for a long-term security blanket, maybe the father of their child or whatever. Then they go and post a profile on a sugar site that presents themselves as an SB. And more than likely, the guy that gifts them directly ends up with better sex, because they are lining up the freebie guy for boyfriend material (so they are going to try to play the role of the virgin mary or as close as possible), and they are going to unleash their inner sl_t with whatever SD they met on the arrangement site, giving him the better sexual performance.

This is why most of the time I'd rather just go straight for the arrangement site. The only exception to that is if you do not have an SO and are a single guy, it behooves you to be on Match, POF, and many others because they are incredible outlets for free pussy, very cost effective compared to SD site memberships (like probably one fourth the cost or less), and by casting a wide net on lots of dating sites you always have something lined up. Single guys really shouldn't miss out on it. It's a bit dangerous for guys with an SO, because a lot of these girls on Match are not looking for someone who is already attached and won't appreciate a bait and switch, whereas girls on an SD site tend to not care about that at all.

In my opinion, nobody should ever expect "exclusive" to be what it says it is with a paid SB.

But Lintric as you suggested, I would have just kept my cool and kept fucking her for what it's worth, but lining up and banging other prospects at the same time, as long as banging her was not eroding time that could be spent looking for something better.

I wrote about this here in the past but maybe not in a while. When I was single, I would actually limit the amount of time I spent on "wild girls" (strippers, sugarbabies, bar sl_ts, whatever), because I wanted to focus my efforts on finding someone I might actually have a future with. I kept as many fuckbuddies in rotation as I could just to meet general needs, but I always considered it supplemental activity and not the end game.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3126133]Well I can kind of relate to his story, because more than once I've met girls that were "reluctant SBs" on Match, and I can tell you they are frustrating as hell to date. They will tell you that the fact you're twice their age is not a problem for them, just don't ever mistake them for a gold-digger because that's not them. They will go so far out of their way to separate any sort of financial support from the equation, yet simultaneously complain about financial problems. To give a prime example, I had a 24 year old lingerie model (a real one, not a "craigslist" lingerie model but one that received paychecks from a lingerie company), and I once handed her a sealed white envelope full of cash, which I had intentionally put as many $10 bills in as possible to fatten the envelope. As she sat there and considered it, I could see her massaging the paper between her thumb and forefinger trying to guess at the amount, but ultimately she handed it back to me without opening it. They will go through all these backward somersaults to prove to you how much they don't want your money, then later you see them on an SD site and they go "oh! Haha! I just did that as a joke I forgot that profile was there".

So yes, it can be frustrating as hell. You don't have to be in love with them to get fed up with their games. They are on Match because they are looking for something real (real but old enough to be their dad in many cases). But, its as if they are lining that one up for a long-term security blanket, maybe the father of their child or whatever. Then they go and post a profile on a sugar site that presents themselves as an SB. And more than likely, the guy that gifts them directly ends up with better sex, because they are lining up the freebie guy for boyfriend material (so they are going to try to play the role of the virgin mary or as close as possible), and they are going to unleash their inner sl_t with whatever SD they met on the arrangement site, giving him the better sexual performance.

This is why most of the time I'd rather just go straight for the arrangement site. The only exception to that is if you do not have an SO and are a single guy, it behooves you to be on Match, POF, and many others because they are incredible outlets for free pussy, very cost effective compared to SD site memberships (like probably one fourth the cost or less), and by casting a wide net on lots of dating sites you always have something lined up. Single guys really shouldn't miss out on it. It's a bit dangerous for guys with an SO, because a lot of these girls on Match are not looking for someone who is already attached and won't appreciate a bait and switch, whereas girls on an SD site tend to not care about that at all.

In my opinion, nobody should ever expect "exclusive" to be what it says it is with a paid SB.

But Lintric as you suggested, I would have just kept my cool and kept fucking her for what it's worth, but lining up and banging other prospects at the same time, as long as banging her was not eroding time that could be spent looking for something better.

I wrote about this here in the past but maybe not in a while. When I was single, I would actually limit the amount of time I spent on "wild girls" (strippers, sugarbabies, bar sl_ts, whatever), because I wanted to focus my efforts on finding someone I might actually have a future with. I kept as many fuckbuddies in rotation as I could just to meet general needs, but I always considered it supplemental activity and not the end game.[/QUOTE]I don't think when there is a big age difference such as 20 years there is any future unless your just so loaded its worth it for them to wait for ya to die LOL. At that difference its today and possibly tomorrow. They don't get any sugar and whine about bills, big deal, if your fucking them. Now if you were to actually help and cared then maybe they wouldn't be out fucking for 200. I mean mongers move on pretty fast when paying and they look crosseyed at them the wrong way. Just saying guys tend to be really bad boyfriends but have no problem shelling out $$$ for paid pussy. I can see if your attached how you would feel if you found out she was fucking around and if she was selling pussy. Probably about the same way a SO would feel. Now I'm rambling so going back to bed. Oh one last thought. Statistics show more women fuck around on the SO than men and 95% never get caught. So like you said never count on an exclusive relationship.

Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.

It means she has something to lose if your arrangement is made public. She's less likely to post your pic on Twitter if she has a bf. This of course assumes you care about discretion. It also means juggling multiple daddies is going to be difficult. I view it as completely normal for a young lady to want to be in a relationship with a guy closers to her age. All of his faults will make her appreciate her time with you more.

Make sure you're though that you aren't the guy that she is "in the relationship" with. It's fine if you're like biker rider or Hoya and want to date your babies, but I'm assuming you play in the bowl for discretion.

Also, the fact that you have access to her fb account with her not knowing is great. You can keep tabs on her.

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tc9869;3126513]Two and a half weeks ago I met a wonderful girl on SA. The date seemed to go really well. I got a little concerned when she mentioned she joined the site because of a friend who does all online arrangements, and then her saying she'd need time to get comfortable with being intimate, but she ultimately agreed to the "sugar for sugar" concept and said she'd wait for an allowance until getting physical. The following weekend she had an art show, so we did some light texting throughout the week but that was it.

That Thursday I asked when I could see her again, and she responded "to be honest I don't think SA is for me, I'm looking for a means for fun and aid in expenses, but not necessarily 'prostitute' LOL".

I responded "alright".

She came back with "I enjoyed meeting you, though. Thanks for the experience LOL".

"LOL. I enjoyed meeting you too. Wish things had been different haha. You're really nice and possibly the most beautiful girl I've seen on there: D".

"You were a nice guy too. I lucked out meeting you on the first try haha. Perhaps give me a few days to think about my moral standing? LOL".

"LOL, sure. For what it's worth, I don't think of you that way at all. And I meant what I said about taking it as slow as you want".

"Well thanks".

I didn't text again until she was at the art gallery showing pieces. I engaged in a normal friendly manner (asking for pics of her art she was selling, she's really good). She randomly injected into the conversation she was having her birth control shot the following week. I asked if that meant I got to see her again, and she said she hoped so. I asked if she wanted to just grab lunch and then take it from there and she responded with "not saying we have to do this Saturday, but I've been craving a swimming pool lately. It would be fun to get a hotel and get tipsy in the tub LOL".

"LOL does that mean what I think it means? ".

"oh daddy, indeed it does".

Point of this part was basically to show 1) playing the nice guy can absolutely work and 2) give you an idea what her demeanor has been like. Now is where I'm unsure how to proceed.

She had to cancel that Saturday for a funeral. We rescheduled for today. I noticed last night she blocked my main account on Facebook (seemed odd, as I'd never sent a friends request or anything). From a second account, I saw she is now in a relationship as of three days ago. Seems reasonable to suspect this relationship was the actual reason for the cancellation Saturday. I've never had a SB with a boyfriend, and I'm not sure if / how I should proceed. Many of you mention not seeing a SB if she's not exclusive, but I've also seen the idea of being accepting of her having a bf because it shows confidence etc. However, I can't even inquire without making it obvious I was snooping. I'm absolutely going to proceed with today because she's fun and extremely sexy (does some light modeling etc. , very skinny with a C cup), but I'd like this to be a regular thing (maybe 3-4 times a month) and I'm tempted to say giving away I was snooping or mentioning I know what she's trying to hide is just going to cause an issue and push her away. In reality I have no misconceptions of her leaving her bf for a sd or money, but I'm really more concerned with her keeping secrets from me.[/QUOTE]Imagine from a distance you had seen her out w / him or w / another sd, but she didn't know you saw her, so what? You could tell her you saw her or not, or you could ask her if she is involved w / anyone else, even as she could ask you if your married, etc. Just ask, if she is ok w / it and you are too then all is good.