[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4316937]That is strange. Last time I was at Yama a few months ago they didn't quote me ridiculous prices like that.[/QUOTE]Cause I am extra fugly.
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[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4316937]That is strange. Last time I was at Yama a few months ago they didn't quote me ridiculous prices like that.[/QUOTE]Cause I am extra fugly.
[QUOTE=Yeehaw;4316855]I don't think I've ever seen anything about Magic Hands in Woodstock? PM any details please. Also is Mini still open in Roswell?[/QUOTE]Mini is very much open in Roswell.
[QUOTE=Apollo007;4315941]I'm see good things are happening at Irelax. Can anyone share with me what kind of talent and how much happiness can be had there? Any providers at Yong Sheng reasonably young and decent body?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Irelax is good. However, I drew Cindy both times and she's kinda older than I would like (40-50 yo).
[QUOTE=Bossman1969;4299717]They have a new one working there.
Very nice massage and not rushed at all.
Nice technique. Very good finish and after cleanup she said you have 10 minutes left. Opted for 10 minutes of shoulder time.
New one is Addy or something like that.
2nd time seeing her. Had to park out back since popo was parked out front.[/QUOTE]I went to great this week to try it out again. I was there once last year and left without being happy. Since I saw this and some other good reports, I thought I'd go back and give it a second shot. Only lady available was Tina. Not very attractive and sort of thick. I only had time for a 30 min session. The massage itself was just OK. She used so much hot oil however. I kept waiting for the flip but it never came. She said time up unless I wanted more. She said there was no happy time unless I stayed longer.
I really didn't have the time and almost gave up but relented and asked for another 15 minutes. She went straight to the task at hand and allowed some UTC top and bottom.
Anyone else experience this too? Is there anyone at this place worth me trying again?
[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4317993]Mini is very much open in Roswell.[/QUOTE]Always wonder if anyone has been able to fuck Amy there.
Any intel on this one? VIP Massage 5475 Buford Hwy.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4318192]Always wonder if anyone has been able to fuck Amy there.[/QUOTE]I've seen Amy and Mary there. Great massage and very happy ending. But never anything else, not any OTC even. In my book mini is the best place for the combo (massage + HE). I'd love to know any tricks to get more cause they are both the hottest around in my opinion.
Did my research (thanks to all) and visited JHS earlier this week. Great time, will repeat!
I entered, spoke to mama. Like the reviews said, she is really cool. She asked if I had been there before, and I told her this was the first time. She took me back, and I mentioned I'd had a long day and needed something to make me "happy". She said she understood. Put me in the room, and I wondered if I had overplayed my hand. In walks a very attractive early 30's girl. 5'5, slender (almost skinny), with nice large bolt-ons. Wearing a tight slinky dress. Very sexy, very pretty. She had me undress, then to the TS. Mama must have told her what I wanted, because she made a point of touching, stroking and grabbing to make sure I was up for it. And I let her know I was. I joked a little, she giggled. So I thought I was doing OK. Back to the room for the massage. Massage OK, not CMT, but then again, I'm not here for a certified therapist! I started rubbing her leg, then some UTC to see how far I'd get. And she just let me. On the flip, she motioned to ask what I wanted. She didn't want me to say it out loud, so this weird game of charades ensued. I communicated that I wanted everything. I ended up with CBJ, but it was a really, really good one. Not mechanical, not rushed. This exceeded my expectations. I usually get old women going through the motions. .6 house, 1.2 tip. Yes, more than advised here. But I thought I got more than I usually get, so I was happy paying a few bucks more. She promised FS next time. So we'll see.
You can give it a try and we follow your lead. LOL.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4318192]Always wonder if anyone has been able to fuck Amy there.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SalesMan71;4318601]I've seen Amy and Mary there. Great massage and very happy ending. But never anything else, not any OTC even. In my book mini is the best place for the combo (massage + HE). I'd love to know any tricks to get more cause they are both the hottest around in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Yes I've seen Mary a few times and she' is hot but I haven't been able to get In that top or bottom also. Inch give it a shot.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4318192]Always wonder if anyone has been able to fuck Amy there.[/QUOTE]OTC is considered a bonus with her, although her massage is outstanding.
[QUOTE=Dgcesq;4318800] .6 house, 1.2 tip. Yes, more than advised here. But I thought I got more than I usually get, so I was happy paying a few bucks more. She promised FS next time. So we'll see.[/QUOTE]To each his own, but $60 and $120 here for CBJ or $70 and $100 at B Spa for HJ?
Like others have said, these places are FS joints. The expectation is FS for around $140 (gold spa the exception).
It's like ordering a salad at a steakhouse.
[QUOTE=SalesMan71;4318601]I've seen Amy and Mary there. Great massage and very happy ending. But never anything else, not any OTC even. In my book mini is the best place for the combo (massage + HE). I'd love to know any tricks to get more cause they are both the hottest around in my opinion.[/QUOTE]The tricks would have to be tried with Amy as I found out today that Mary has gone back to China for good; however, Wendy is back and I assume up to her old ways.
[QUOTE=Sasay1960;4318507]Any intel on this one? VIP Massage 5475 Buford Hwy.[/QUOTE]It's been reported on several times. Lots of upsell.
Is this place legit? Went years ago and a non-asian woman in scrubs massaged me very professionally. Went again a couple days ago, same manager with 2 older Chinese providers. My provider kept me covered from head to toe at all times but asked if it was my first time there twice. What's up with this place?
Well I have been to Mini many times, but went last week and drew what I thought was a new gal only to find out she had been there some time. It was Lisa, cute gal gave a good sensual light touch a ton of roaming and teasing. She did rebuff any attempts for OTC or UTC, but the teasing and HE were good.
[QUOTE=Garthie1;4319097]To each his own, but $60 and $120 here for CBJ or $70 and $100 at B Spa for HJ?
Like others have said, these places are FS joints. The expectation is FS for around $140 (gold spa the exception).
It's like ordering a salad at a steakhouse.[/QUOTE]So I'm a guy who typically does 1, maybe 2 a year through p411. AMPsare new to me, so I am respectfully seeking advice.
I'd like to go back to the girl at JHS in 2 weeks. She's expecting. 7 + 1. 5 for whatever FS is in her mind. How do I adjust her thinking to. 5 house and $tip? Is in unrecoverable? If so, I'll just walk. And maybe I did a poor job when her hand was on my dick.
In any event, knowing jokes are coming, please give some real advice as well.
[QUOTE=Dgcesq;4319327]I'd like to go back to the girl at JHS in 2 weeks. She's expecting. 7 + 1. 5 for whatever FS is in her mind. How do I adjust her thinking to. 5 house and $tip? Is in unrecoverable? If so, I'll just walk. And maybe I did a poor job when her hand was on my dick. In any event, knowing jokes are coming, please give some real advice as well.[/QUOTE]My real advice is to just go a CAMP if you want to pay less. If you want to enjoy the KAMP experience at JHS, isn't that worth the small difference between their standard fees and what you want to pay? It's not like they're asking some exorbitant amount. And know that many CAMP girls are quite skilled at upselling and squeezing additional funds out of you to upgrade beyond a standard HE.
[QUOTE=BigDaddyRob;4319210]Well I have been to Mini many times, but went last week and drew what I thought was a new gal only to find out she had been there some time. It was Lisa, cute gal gave a good sensual light touch a ton of roaming and teasing. She did rebuff any attempts for OTC or UTC, but the teasing and HE were good.[/QUOTE]Never heard of a Lisa at Mini. The ladies I know of are Wendy, Linda, Cici and Amy. The woman you got sounds exactly like Amy.
[QUOTE=Dgcesq;4319327]So I'm a guy who typically does 1, maybe 2 a year through p411. AMPsare new to me, so I am respectfully seeking advice.
I'd like to go back to the girl at JHS in 2 weeks. She's expecting. 7 + 1. 5 for whatever FS is in her mind. How do I adjust her thinking to. 5 house and $tip? Is in unrecoverable? If so, I'll just walk. And maybe I did a poor job when her hand was on my dick.
In any event, knowing jokes are coming, please give some real advice as well.[/QUOTE]Well, last time you said you paid $60/ house and $120/ CBJ. Since you can't negotiate the house fee, you can only negotiate extras such as the CBJ or CFS. A CBJ normally goes for $100 so you paid $20 too much last time. A few ladies (depends on the woman and the KAMP) will do a CBJ for $80 but that's rare now. For CFS, most will ask for $140-$160 but I always tell them I only have $120 and pull it out of my pocket. If they won't accept it, I'm prepared to walk. That said, you can "accidentally" find another $20 somewhere on your person if you really want the girl.
If you just want a massage and HJ, go to a CAMP.
[QUOTE=Dgcesq;4319327]So I'm a guy who typically does 1, maybe 2 a year through p411. AMPsare new to me, so I am respectfully seeking advice.
I'd like to go back to the girl at JHS in 2 weeks. She's expecting. 7 + 1. 5 for whatever FS is in her mind. How do I adjust her thinking to. 5 house and $tip? Is in unrecoverable? If so, I'll just walk. And maybe I did a poor job when her hand was on my dick.
In any event, knowing jokes are coming, please give some real advice as well.[/QUOTE]They'll always negotiate, I've haggled at Gold spa (premiere gold diggers) for the normal going rate of $140, but it was for 15 minutes and I knew it would be rushed, so I still walked.
The girls know the rate is 120 to 140. Give them more than that and they may give better service or they may not.
Myself and others like to tip more. The girls are usually more pleasant and service is generally better, but the girls may feel pressure (as they should) to do a better job.
In California, CAMP girls take 100 FS tip out the door every time. KAMP girls, usually a little more.
Alternatively, if the girls don't take the money upfront, you could be a dick and give 100 (or nothing) and just walk. It happens and there's nothing the girls can do. Don't expect to go back, though.
In the end, 70 and 150 isn't unreasonable and I'd pay it if the girl was nice. 220 out the door is what I expect (one hour at 80 and 140 FS), but again to each his own.
[QUOTE=Dgcesq;4319327]So I'm a guy who typically does 1, maybe 2 a year through p411. AMPsare new to me, so I am respectfully seeking advice.
I'd like to go back to the girl at JHS in 2 weeks. She's expecting. 7 + 1. 5 for whatever FS is in her mind. How do I adjust her thinking to. 5 house and $tip? Is in unrecoverable? If so, I'll just walk. And maybe I did a poor job when her hand was on my dick.
In any event, knowing jokes are coming, please give some real advice as well.[/QUOTE]Here's the thing about AMPs (specifically KAMPs; I don't do the CAMPs): service is going to vary from girl to girl independent of expenditure. Really, with the K-girls, it comes down to their personality and some level of chemistry you have with them (I speak subjectively, but based on having fucked literally hundreds and hundreds of them.).
So what you have to do is set an overall price you're willing to pay for room plus girl (I'd shoot for $220, $80 for the room and $140 for the girl), and then start prospecting.
My protocol for KAMPs has always been this:
1. Ask if there are multiple girls to choose from; if they demure, that's not your AMP. Sometimes they'll show you one girl, and if she looks good, of course you might want to go anyway, but ideally you want at least two girls to choose from. This is where experience comes in, but you want to choose a girl who is TRYING to appeal to you, like she doesn't look bored, she's smiling, and so on, and of course is physically attractive to you (for me, the skinnier and younger, the better).
2. Turn on the charm. Joke with her during the table shower, etc. You want to see how far she warms up. You're prospecting, so it doesn't hurt to make some effort for THIS to be the girl, so you can be a regular. That saves time and money. In the room, just indicate you want everything (that's usually how I phrase it). If she has an orgasm (for some reason the K-girls resist this, so it may take some insistence) and she likes you, done. She'll do almost anything from that point. Congratulations, you've found a gem (until she rotates out of Georgia).
3. Mostly, it will be a one-visit girl, but eventually you'll find one you want to see on occasion. Again, we're prospecting.
4. Understand that whatever you pay this girl at the outset is what you pay her ongoing. The only way you're getting a discount is if she likes you enough to fuck you for FREE (I've had this as Gold Spa, but it's rare). So you're really looking at a binary pricing model of "full price" or "free".
5. Tip: if you can get them to break a boundary, it goes a long way to expanding their service. I usually ask if there's something they don't do with customers, and then request they do it for me. Make it a funny challenge. It's usually kissing or BBBJ, but if you can get them to do THAT, it kind of opens the floodgates (and again, I'm asking about K-girls, not soulless C-girls). Of course, this is an manipulation tactic, so follow your own comfort level!
So, here's how the economics of this break down. If you find about 1/3 of girls to be "keepers", then ten good fuck sessions is something like three prospecting sessions, and then seven sessions with your gem; if you're paying $220, then that's $2200, or on average $275/ session with your fuck goddess. The more you fuck her, the more the average price converges with your preferred fee.
So it's worth establishing a lower fee *at the beginning*. I would probably try to negotiate with the *mamasan* on room fee, rather than with the provider on pussy access. If you can be a regular paying $60 for the room and $140 for the girl, that's a pretty good net fee. I wouldn't go higher than $240 ($80 room and $160 girl) in any case.
O.
So I went by Lilla's in Woodstock. I drew Monica very attractive. Started off with a towel between the legs then she asked if I mind if she removed it. Obviously I said go ahead. She gave a good massage but that's it! I was totally undraped for the whole massage. No teasing nothing! Even on the flip nothing! She just rub my body. I tried a few to times move her hand towards Jr. LOL she replied only massage. Anyone had any luck here? I think it's relatively new.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4319620]Never heard of a Lisa at Mini. The ladies I know of are Wendy, Linda, Cici and Amy. The woman you got sounds exactly like Amy.[/QUOTE]Lisa is the one who replaced Mary. She has been there a couple of weeks since Mary left. She is older than Mary. Close to 50. Mary was 40 believe it or not. She has a spinner type body with nice fake tits. She worked at Lu and Asia in the past under the name Tina.
[QUOTE=Ozymandias;4319795]Here's the thing about AMPs (specifically KAMPs; I don't do the CAMPs): service is going to vary from girl to girl independent of expenditure. Really, with the K-girls, it comes down to their personality and some level of chemistry you have with them (I speak subjectively, but based on having fucked literally hundreds and hundreds of them.).
So what you have to do is set an overall price you're willing to pay for room plus girl (I'd shoot for $220, $80 for the room and $140 for the girl), and then start prospecting.
My protocol for KAMPs has always been this:
1. Ask if there are multiple girls to choose from; if they demure, that's not your AMP. Sometimes they'll show you one girl, and if she looks good, of course you might want to go anyway, but ideally you want at least two girls to choose from. This is where experience comes in, but you want to choose a girl who is TRYING to appeal to you, like she doesn't look bored, she's smiling, and so on, and of course is physically attractive to you (for me, the skinnier and younger, the better).
2. Turn on the charm. Joke with her during the table shower, etc. You want to see how far she warms up. You're prospecting, so it doesn't hurt to make some effort for THIS to be the girl, so you can be a regular. That saves time and money. In the room, just indicate you want everything (that's usually how I phrase it). If she has an orgasm (for some reason the K-girls resist this, so it may take some insistence) and she likes you, done. She'll do almost anything from that point. Congratulations, you've found a gem (until she rotates out of Georgia).
3. Mostly, it will be a one-visit girl, but eventually you'll find one you want to see on occasion. Again, we're prospecting.
4. Understand that whatever you pay this girl at the outset is what you pay her ongoing. The only way you're getting a discount is if she likes you enough to fuck you for FREE (I've had this as Gold Spa, but it's rare). So you're really looking at a binary pricing model of "full price" or "free".
5. Tip: if you can get them to break a boundary, it goes a long way to expanding their service. I usually ask if there's something they don't do with customers, and then request they do it for me. Make it a funny challenge. It's usually kissing or BBBJ, but if you can get them to do THAT, it kind of opens the floodgates (and again, I'm asking about K-girls, not soulless C-girls). Of course, this is an manipulation tactic, so follow your own comfort level!
So, here's how the economics of this break down. If you find about 1/3 of girls to be "keepers", then ten good fuck sessions is something like three prospecting sessions, and then seven sessions with your gem; if you're paying $220, then that's $2200, or on average $275/ session with your fuck goddess. The more you fuck her, the more the average price converges with your preferred fee.
So it's worth establishing a lower fee *at the beginning*. I would probably try to negotiate with the *mamasan* on room fee, rather than with the provider on pussy access. If you can be a regular paying $60 for the room and $140 for the girl, that's a pretty good net fee. I wouldn't go higher than $240 ($80 room and $160 girl) in any case.
O.[/QUOTE]Great advice. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4319162]The tricks would have to be tried with Amy as I found out today that Mary has gone back to China for good; however, Wendy is back and I assume up to her old ways.[/QUOTE]That's too bad. I have grown to really like Mary and will miss her a lot. She's been my regular. Hope she's going to a good situation in China. I guess I'll have to try out Wendy. Amy is smokin hot but not quite as ambitious as Mary with the teasing.
[QUOTE=Chisler;4320011]Lisa is the one who replaced Mary. She has been there a couple of weeks since Mary left. She is older than Mary. Close to 50. Mary was 40 believe it or not. She has a spinner type body with nice fake tits. She worked at Lu and Asia in the past under the name Tina.[/QUOTE]Mary could easy pass for about 30.
Sorry to hear she is gone.
[QUOTE=Yeehaw;4320008]So I went by Lilla's in Woodstock. I drew Monica very attractive. Started off with a towel between the legs then she asked if I mind if she removed it. Obviously I said go ahead. She gave a good massage but that's it! I was totally undraped for the whole massage. No teasing nothing! Even on the flip nothing! She just rub my body. I tried a few to times move her hand towards Jr. LOL she replied only massage. Anyone had any luck here? I think it's relatively new.[/QUOTE]So many guys just go hoping to get something and are willing to test it pay for the massage hoping for extras.
I did this in the beginning also. Now I find out before the massage and just walk if it isn't what I want. Reading the board will lead you in the right direction. There are plenty of sure things out there. If it's somebody new I will find out up front first.
[QUOTE=Yeehaw;4320008]So I went by Lilla's in Woodstock. I drew Monica very attractive. Started off with a towel between the legs then she asked if I mind if she removed it. Obviously I said go ahead. She gave a good massage but that's it! I was totally undraped for the whole massage. No teasing nothing! Even on the flip nothing! She just rub my body. I tried a few to times move her hand towards Jr. LOL she replied only massage. Anyone had any luck here? I think it's relatively new.[/QUOTE]And I've never heard of Magic Hands that you mentioned in a previous post. Do you have addresses for these places?
[QUOTE=SalesMan71;4320416]That's too bad. I have grown to really like Mary and will miss her a lot. She's been my regular. Hope she's going to a good situation in China. I guess I'll have to try out Wendy. Amy is smokin hot but not quite as ambitious as Mary with the teasing.[/QUOTE]I've seen Amy. She's nice and nice looking but not smoking hot, imo. Sometimes the little brain and a darkened room blurs the reality of the situation.
[QUOTE=Niteluvr;4319620]Never heard of a Lisa at Mini. The ladies I know of are Wendy, Linda, Cici and Amy. The woman you got sounds exactly like Amy.[/QUOTE]I know, but she said Lisa, odd, I had seen the rest of them so not sure what was up with this one.
[QUOTE=Chisler;4320011]Lisa is the one who replaced Mary. She has been there a couple of weeks since Mary left. She is older than Mary. Close to 50. Mary was 40 believe it or not. She has a spinner type body with nice fake tits. She worked at Lu and Asia in the past under the name Tina.[/QUOTE]Mary is gone? What a bummer. I take a 2 month absence from the hobby and boom.
[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4320738]I've seen Amy. She's nice and nice looking but not smoking hot, imo. Sometimes the little brain and a darkened room blurs the reality of the situation.[/QUOTE]Amy is also 40 yo. Don't think most guys realize that.
[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;4320738]I've seen Amy. She's nice and nice looking but not smoking hot, imo. Sometimes the little brain and a darkened room blurs the reality of the situation.[/QUOTE]That's very true. I guess it also depends on what you've experienced before. When you play in the 50-60 yo fugly world, you run across the girls at mini they look pretty hot. If you play in the Kamp FS scene where action is a nice car payment then maybe they look meh. For me, nice attitude goes a long way.
RubMaps, are they closed again? This is the message I get. This site can't be reached.
Was in the mood for a little play / action Saturday so I stopped at Tao Daily spa only to find all the three girls there were busy. Next stop was Best Day and was greeted by an attractive, fairly young girl that quickly sent a message "I am not going to play with you so take a hike!" Asked if the girl I had seen in a previous visit was there (to help establish my credibility) but was told she was busy. No smile, no eye contact, no nothing. So I no stay. Business must be booming for them!
Went down the street to Kaina Massage. Met by a nice looking girl, slightly older (45-50?) She seemed very sweet and got a great massage but was all DIY with not much else. May return to see if further visits yields anything more.
Best time to hit Joy? Earlier vs later?
[QUOTE=SarcasticKing;4293966]Hit 18-spa drew Mia. Usual massage stretching thing she does which I enjoy and got happiness at the end. No UTC.
However 10 minutes short and $20 more than usual so ....[/QUOTE]Agree the leg raise stretching does help the joints. Maybe see was having an off day. Usually for that it's access to one of the nicer natural shrubs to see on a younger one in a while. But agree once done your play access stops.
[QUOTE=AtlHunter;4320826]RubMaps, are they closed again? This is the message I get. This site can't be reached.[/QUOTE]If you get a drop down when you put the word "rub" into your browser choose the option with "find your happy ending " in the sentence. You'll be able to access the site then. I had the same problem yesterday until I figured it out.