The Rat Trap

[QUOTE=Carlosa;6184229]This would be a good place to talk about scammers: LOL estimate 1 in 50 a real advertisement. All the ones that are real are fake photos.[/QUOTE]The Rat Trap is for any conversations you'd like to have. You are certainly free to do so.

Most people already point out and openly discuss Scammers in the appropriately named, "Ripoff Reports" Thread, which seems to fit the bill quite well.

Any person attempting to Rip-Off mongers through fake ads, scam attempts, set ups, data gathering, dick pic collectors, stolen pics, wild goose chases, cash and dashers, etc. Should all be covered in here. They generally work in the shadows except for Cash-and-Dashers.

Those Rip-Off Artists mentioned above are a different breed from those needing to be discussed in the existing "Negative Review" Thread as that Negative Review deserving person generally is a real person you get to meet in real life. Most Mongers get to start or attempt to start a session before it implodes. Sometimes they even finish the session. These Providers usually provide shitty service, have a bad or unsafe in-call, smell bad, has rotten teeth, doesn't provide services advertised, is 150 lbs. Heavier than her pics, isn't the girl in the pics, has a rushed attitude, has a Pimp standing outside the door, has a place that smells like a dog shit factory, tries to rob your pockets during BBBJ using her feet, abruptly closes the post to Greek after you've shown up with your life preserver already on and are about to dock, uses the old Bait-and-Switch tactic with roommates, has the "boyfriend" sitting at the bottom of the bed rubbing his hands together anxiously waiting on his drug fix while you bang away at the girlfriend in same bed, etc.

If you still feel strongly that this topic needs its own thread to discuss Fake Ads further that isn't already covered under the blanket of the 2 other negative / rip-off threads set up, you could always set that up as well. Lumping the Ad Discussions into a no holds barred Argument Thread aka The Rat Trap, may get your posts lost in the mix.

Just my take.

Grain 56.

I consider a rip off is an actual provider that takes your money.

The bigger problem at hand is 2 fold.

1) GPS, to meny girls out there think they have a pussy so it is $200 an hour.

2) Prepay scammer, runaround Queens, & extortion losers.

The (2) one is mostly Nigeria, Philippines, Bangladesh, Costa Rica (Extortion is here), and India.

I find out where they by sending a link enabled text. My servers go through vpn's and firewalls. I see who they are.

I am use to it.

To avoid this I have a verify process for the providers. If they can not complete it, I move on.

[QUOTE=Carlosa;6184656]I consider a rip off is an actual provider that takes your money.

The bigger problem at hand is 2 fold...

...To avoid this I have a verify process for the providers. If they can not complete it, I move on.[/QUOTE]Like I said, you can always set up a new thread and moderate it to try to capture fake ads. Especially since you have insider info.

I know you have an inside track to one of the Ad sites and your insight is quite valuable to the Forum as result of it. I personally have never had a problem finding your warning posts and think they are helpful when you post them. I would hate your Fake Ad intel to get clouded up mixed in with the Trap as I know several members claim they don't even click on the Rat Trap. I know I don't click on Threads I don't generally have interest in. Even Top Shelf Threads that are on the upper half of the Forum. There are dozens and dozens of "Well" Threads that were started and are specific to a certain narrow topic or single provider on the bottom half. Fake Ads could be one that might gain traction. For example, the Non-AMP Thread is quite active, and it was started not too long ago.

As far as what's a Rip-Off description, it's whatever someone thinks it is I would think. Case in point, we have many that post what I would classify as a rip-off posts (actual rip-offs, attempted rip-offs, scammers, set ups, pic collectors, etc.) under Negative Reviews even though they never even met or saw the provider to even have a negative experience to write a Review on, so adding a 3rd derogatory reporting Thread can't hurt, I guess. Like I said, you have good intel, I would check in on it.

Grain 56.

The problem is you have 2 categories 5 subs.

Real Providers.

1) sub par service.

2) actual gun to your face.

3) fake photo advertisement.

Over sea scammers.

4) I need a deposit, booking fee whatever. This includes run around Queens. Once you get there then it is a deposit.

5) extortion scammers. Let me see a photo of you. I need a photo or.

I just got this one below this idiotis in Costa Rica.

Greetings, my name is Carlos Quintero. I am writing why you have serious problems with my business. You have a fine in my business. You were talking to one of my prostitutes and she requested a service and you only took advantage of her photo and video of her and you have wasted her time in my business. We do not tolerate what you did. You better pay the fine or I'll send my goons to do the fucking job. Your family is also involved in this, so I hope you will give me a quick answer.

You better pay the fine to get out of this shit I have my men ready waiting for my order to put the plan in motion and kidnap each of their relatives.

[QUOTE=Carlosa;6186157]The problem is you have 2 categories 5 subs.

Real Providers.

1) sub par service.

2) actual gun to your face.

3) fake photo advertisement.

Over sea scammers.

4) I need a deposit, booking fee whatever. This includes run around Queens. Once you get there then it is a deposit.

5) extortion scammers. Let me see a photo of you. I need a photo or.

I just got this one below this idiotis in Costa Rica.[/QUOTE]I think you are overthinking my skin in this. I don't care how many Threads someone wants to create or use. I just was suggesting that we have enough trouble keeping the Threads we already have on the rails half the time. The more threads that border the same general topic, the more the info gets lost in the shuffle. That's not always true, but generally true. I can probably think of at least a dozen more "events" that could be categorized but at some point, probably becomes redundant.

Check out how many posters (usually babes in the woods) in the UTR thread have no clue what the definition of an UTR provider is and will ask for pics, digits, ads, etc. For those UTR girls. Check out how many guys post asks, make queries, give upcoming Orlando visit announcements or make "fake review" post that are actually pimping / promotional posts for "their girls" in the Positive Escort Review thread.

On your list above. They all could be Negative in nature. They all also could be considered Rip-Offs. The difference in the two threads that are currently set up is one is labeled as a "Review" Thread to Review a Provider and the other is set up as a Reporting Thread to report findings. Interchangable? Probably.

Again, I have no skin in this. Luckily, the Forum is set up so that generally any senior member can create a Thread that they want to have. No system to categorize every event type is perfect, I get that part and agree 100% with you. Scam ads are scam ads and your knack for sniffing them out is outstanding.

Grain 56.

[QUOTE=Grain56;6186277]I think you are overthinking my skin in this. I don't care how many Threads someone wants to create or use. I just was suggesting that we have enough trouble keeping the Threads we already have on the rails half the time. The more threads that border the same general topic, the more the info gets lost in the shuffle. That's not always true, but generally true. I can probably think of at least a dozen more "events" that could be categorized but at some point, probably becomes redundant.

Check out how many posters (usually babes in the woods) in the UTR thread have no clue what the definition of an UTR provider is and will ask for pics, digits, ads, etc. For those UTR girls. Check out how many guys post asks, make queries, give upcoming Orlando visit announcements or make "fake review" post that are actually pimping / promotional posts for "their girls" in the Positive Escort Review thread.

On your list above. They all could be Negative in nature. They all also could be considered Rip-Offs. The difference in the two threads that are currently set up is one is labeled as a "Review" Thread to Review a Provider and the other is set up as a Reporting Thread to report findings. Interchangable? Probably.

Again, I have no skin in this. Luckily, the Forum is set up so that generally any senior member can create a Thread that they want to have. No system to categorize every event type is perfect, I get that part and agree 100% with you. Scam ads are scam ads and your knack for sniffing them out is outstanding.

Grain 56.[/QUOTE]I would definitely separate the 2 negative reviews on real providers, deposit or extortion scammers.

Every one here is big on Avalon. Nice looking. I will never see her because she requires to know your info. In California there was a working girl that retired. For her retirement she sent a text out saying I need a $1000 to destroy your info. Or I will send it to your home address. I am single so I said I am not paying. A week later I got mail with my info and nasty photos.

Guys here just do not understand, they just want money.

If providers ask for photos I just say I pay for the annonimity.

If the do not like that idgaff.

Others say LOL when I tell them I have a verification process.

They are the ones with the fake photos.

As far as positive reviews go. Most of the girls in there I would not do a bar pickup.

So I agree it is pimps.

Dear owners of USA.

This thread was hugly popular when you had escort advertisements. If a provider was bad or misleading photos users were all over it. In order to bring the forum back up I would reinstate the advertisements.

When that advertiser section was on here I felt 100% safe seeing a provider from this website. No bullshit involved, contact provider and make appointment.

Sox.

[QUOTE=Carlosa;6187782]Dear owners of USA.

This thread was hugly popular when you had escort advertisements. If a provider was bad or misleading photos users were all over it. In order to bring the forum back up I would reinstate the advertisements.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Carlosa;6161886]My Money. My Rules.

This is how I handle things.

I first ask if they are available.

Then I request there address and a recent picture.

If they ask me for my zip, city, my location, or I do not accept cash.

It is a scam.

Once the address is received and the photo is ok.

I specify this is what I want, if you agree we will meet in the lobby.

If they say I do not do that. Safety, policy, not dressed, other excuses.

I specify my money my rules. Get dressed look normal go down, and I will go.

99 times out of hundred it is not girl in the photo. Some girl you would not want to even hit on in a bar.

I have gone and have seen a couple diamonds, most are just fat and ugly.

I do not use my picture for security, is my favorite excuse.

Bottom line, you do not agree with my rules I move on.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. They seem to forget we are the customer and the customer sets the rules. When they ask my location I reply in the city you advertised in then they come back with some BS reply and I block them. Never ever send a picture. When I'm meeting them outside and they ask what I'm driving I give them the description of the car next to me. When I see them I beep horn unless they're fugly then I leave. Never put any possible info that could tie to you in writing period.

Would need to create a separate site owned off shore like Eros, Tryst, Gator, etc. Etc.

The goal would to have the sites be separate business entity's.

Tell the members escort and body rub advertisement are at another site and reviews that site often to eliminate scammers.

The only downside is the elimination of escort sites revenue.

I debated whether to post this or not. There's a whole lot of backstory to it.

I've been on here for years. Please allow me to tell you a story.

About 15 years ago, I received a PM. This PM was from a popular provider on here, named Savannah, aka, "Swaggs. " in this PM, she offered me a free visit, because she, "respected and wanted to talk to me. " I immediately saw red flags but I responded and accepted the offer. At the time, Swaggs lived in the old Suburban, on 17-92, near the Green Parrot bar.

I was apprehensive, so I drove around the place a few times. On one of my loops, I spied a marked LEO car. The cops were talking to a brunette, through an open door. The girl had a laptop literally, in her lap, as she talked to the LEOs. I thought it was Swaggs. Aha, she was working with LEO to set me up! I bailed.

Two days later, I got lambasted by Swaggs on this great forum. She just flat out blasted me. Called me Pimp Vino, etc. This started a feud of several years on this great Forum between her and I.

Obviously, my handle is Vino. I made my handle because I sold wine for a living. It turns out that a guy called Marty worked in a liquor store, near the Suburban, where Swaggs lived. It turned out that Swaggs had a date with Marty at one time. Supposedly, Marty treated her bad and Swaggs resented that. In her warped brain, since I sold wine for a living, she somehow thought that Marty was me! This burned in her warped brain for years. She spent probably close to five years on this great Forum, berating me, thinking I was Marty. I tried everything to convince her I was not Marty, all to no avail. Oh well, I gave it my best effort.

I have now found out that Marty has passed away. I have no malice towards the man but he is now gone. I am still here. Still Vino, still not Marty. There's more to it but I will leave it at RIP Marty.

The last I heard was that Swaggs looked like death warmed over. The last post about her was a monger saying he saw her on the Trail. She was barefoot, spinning in circles and arguing with imaginary people. She was literally, barking at the moon.

I leave you all with this link to a song that exemplifies Swaggs perfectly: Blue Oyster Cult, "The Subhuman. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0_yR2oAvA[/URL]. This song is well worth listening to.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;6192836]I debated whether to post this or not. There's a whole lot of backstory to it.

I've been on here for years. Please allow me to tell you a story.

About 15 years ago, I received a PM. This PM was from a popular provider on here, named Savannah, aka, "Swaggs. " in this PM, she offered me a free visit, because she, "respected and wanted to talk to me. " I immediately saw red flags but I responded and accepted the offer. At the time, Swaggs lived in the old Suburban, on 17-92, near the Green Parrot bar.

I was apprehensive, so I drove around the place a few times. On one of my loops, I spied a marked LEO car. The cops were talking to a brunette, through an open door. The girl had a laptop literally, in her lap, as she talked to the LEOs. I thought it was Swaggs. Aha, she was working with LEO to set me up! I bailed.

Two days later, I got lambasted by Swaggs on this great forum. She just flat out blasted me. Called me Pimp Vino, etc. This started a feud of several years on this great Forum between her and I.

Obviously, my handle is Vino. I made my handle because I sold wine for a living. It turns out that a guy called Marty worked in a liquor store, near the Suburban, where Swaggs lived. It turned out that Swaggs had a date with Marty at one time. Supposedly, Marty treated her bad and Swaggs resented that. In her warped brain, since I sold wine for a living, she somehow thought that Marty was me! This burned in her warped brain for years. She spent probably close to five years on this great Forum, berating me, thinking I was Marty. I tried everything to convince her I was not Marty, all to no avail. Oh well, I gave it my best effort.

I have now found out that Marty has passed away. I have no malice towards the man but he is now gone. I am still here. Still Vino, still not Marty. There's more to it but I will leave it at RIP Marty.

The last I heard was that Swaggs looked like death warmed over. The last post about her was a monger saying he saw her on the Trail. She was barefoot, spinning in circles and arguing with imaginary people. She was literally, barking at the moon.

I leave you all with this link to a song that exemplifies Swaggs perfectly: Blue Oyster Cult, "The Subhuman. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0_yR2oAvA[/URL]. This song is well worth listening to.[/QUOTE]RIP Party Marty.

[QUOTE=BusterHymen;6192824]I had avoided traveling to Canada because of the Covid restrictions, now since there are no restrictions at all, I plan to resume. Was just in Montreal last week, good times.

Over the years, have had both really good and really bad times in Canada. One of my worst was in Vancouver. Picked up a stunningly beautiful 18 year old and brought her to my hotel. She went into the bathroom to "freshen up" (which means to shoot up) Comes out in a towel, drops it, she was covered in bloody sores. She said " I have a picking problem, I do drugs". I told her to get dressed, she started crying, told her I would pay her anyway.

Dropped her off, went to the store, bought a gallon of bleach, roll of paper towels and rubber gloves. The hotel bathroom looked like a crime scene, blood everywhere. Took me a couple hours to clean it up, soaked the bloody towels in the tub with bleach. There was a maid cart in the hall, dumped the cleaned wet towels in the dirty towels pouch, grabbed clean ones. Took the two syringes out of the trash and took them to the biohazard bin in the restroom downstairs, along with the paper towels used for cleanup.

Still have the visual of this beautiful cute girl covered in blood stuck in my head, yuck.[/QUOTE]Reads like you are shopping in the wrong parts of town.

This is what I don't like about Orlando; too many drugs. I tried the sugar scene and that did not work out for me. I avoid the street scene because that is a hellscape. I dabble in the UTR space but I am selective and my time is limited so the stars have to align for that to work. I spend most of my time in the AMP scene because the girls are clean and it is available when I want it. They are high mileage but get the job done.

I do miss my sugar up north. Did not know how good I had it.

I had no idea the drama you had to deal with! Crazy is an understandment! I only saw her once and the visit was good but then she got in way too much drama for me and chose to never see her again. It would not surprise me if we hear about her passing. Between the medicine and crazy deamons catch with up with people.

Sorry to hear about Marty, RIP.

I took a 6 month break from posting due to my burner phone stopped working with the new digital switch. I bought a new smart one and have never figured out how to get to work with out any risk of my personal info being exposed. I take that extremely serious! I have only partaked on the AMP side as needed, more on that to come.

Glad to hear your alright and not marty!

This should be my 1000 post and I think it is about time to get back into something different then AMPs!

[QUOTE=Vino7373;6192836]I debated whether to post this or not. There's a whole lot of backstory to it.

I've been on here for years. Please allow me to tell you a story.

About 15 years ago, I received a PM. This PM was from a popular provider on here, named Savannah, aka, "Swaggs. " in this PM, she offered me a free visit, because she, "respected and wanted to talk to me. " I immediately saw red flags but I responded and accepted the offer. At the time, Swaggs lived in the old Suburban, on 17-92, near the Green Parrot bar.

I was apprehensive, so I drove around the place a few times. On one of my loops, I spied a marked LEO car. The cops were talking to a brunette, through an open door. The girl had a laptop literally, in her lap, as she talked to the LEOs. I thought it was Swaggs. Aha, she was working with LEO to set me up! I bailed.

Two days later, I got lambasted by Swaggs on this great forum. She just flat out blasted me. Called me Pimp Vino, etc. This started a feud of several years on this great Forum between her and I.

Obviously, my handle is Vino. I made my handle because I sold wine for a living. It turns out that a guy called Marty worked in a liquor store, near the Suburban, where Swaggs lived. It turned out that Swaggs had a date with Marty at one time. Supposedly, Marty treated her bad and Swaggs resented that. In her warped brain, since I sold wine for a living, she somehow thought that Marty was me! This burned in her warped brain for years. She spent probably close to five years on this great Forum, berating me, thinking I was Marty. I tried everything to convince her I was not Marty, all to no avail. Oh well, I gave it my best effort.

I have now found out that Marty has passed away. I have no malice towards the man but he is now gone. I am still here. Still Vino, still not Marty. There's more to it but I will leave it at RIP Marty.

The last I heard was that Swaggs looked like death warmed over. The last post about her was a monger saying he saw her on the Trail. She was barefoot, spinning in circles and arguing with imaginary people. She was literally, barking at the moon.

I leave you all with this link to a song that exemplifies Swaggs perfectly: Blue Oyster Cult, "The Subhuman. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0_yR2oAvA[/URL]. This song is well worth listening to.[/QUOTE]

One of the best days of the year.