"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3117635]What does it mean when the SB is a premium member. Did she have to pay for it? Does it mean she's a pro or an UTR?[/QUOTE]Yes, I do think they pay for that membership. They get more control of their profile, like we do intrinsically b / c we pay. Can you hide when you signed up or when you were last on, from where, etc. I hide all of that. B / c I use an onioned browser, it would make me look like a real globe-trotter if I let that show. Bulgaria today, London tomorrow. I even had a POT comment on that earlier on.

[QUOTE=NutInHer;3117203]When I tried this it asked for DOB and ssn.[/QUOTE]I used this method very recently to set up my most recent SA membership. This was in the past two weeks or so?

When did you try it? I did not get the request for dob or ssn. I created a new monger PayPal account linked to my monger email and burner phone. I purchased a vanilla visa gift card from Walmart using cash.

Maybe that they recently changed their policy? I also used an address of mine from about 10 addresses ago.

Hey all. Just curious as to what all you guys are doing allowance wise? One thing I noticed that seems to get more reception is to speak larger, whole amounts vice per meet amounts. Say you offer a G for 3-4 dates a month. Broken down that's a quarter each visit. But they mostly hear that large number. If you only meet a couple times, you get a lower overall cost. So how do you guys roll with this?

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3116906]OK, so I upgraded my account and was finally able to send messages and pic requests. About 20-30 so far. It's been about 3 days and I've got nothing, zilch. I did get one response, but when I tried to respond, her profile was poof, gone. Is this normal? What is you guys' average response rate? For the record, I'm not a Quazimodo and I thought my openers were funny and creative. I'm in my 50's, although I look younger, and my target audience is in the lower age bracket (<24).[/QUOTE]As others have said, it is a numbers game. Without knowing what you are writing or your profile / pics, it's difficult to say if there is any problem. I've found that if I don't send a blatantly generic message and write about something I have in common with them or I liked about their profile it really improves response rate. Also be nice. I couldn't tell you how many girls have told me they hear guys just throw out a number and ask for pay to play. Lastly, if you wait 2 weeks or so (before your subscription expires) you can cycle back to your original 20-30 and write a follow up message that some / many will respond to. Good luck, and let us know how it goes!

Last week I sent SA my Vanilla visa info. Went live in 4 hours. No problem.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3116894]I can confirm that OneVanilla is still no bueno, at least as of a few days ago when I finally did upgrade my SA account. I ended up setting up a separate PayPal Account just for this and transferred a small amount from my real PP account (where I have funds available) and then checked out "Via PayPal" using this new account and voila, Bob's your uncle. I set the account up with the monger email, monger phone, etc. So even if SA gets compromised, including the cutomer payment history, they'll still get my pictures and SA back and forth emails with the babes, but there's nothing that ties back to me, except the one-time transfer between the two PP accounts, but that's unlikely to be revealed because I use different pwds for SA, GMail, MSN, PP, etc. , all stored in my virtual machine, so it would take NSA-level skills to trace things back to the real me. I don't have an SO, but I do value my privacy more than the average Joe.[/QUOTE]

I'm getting my first going, and wonder about some stuff. Do they know of the other (s), and if so, can you play them off against each other to get better deals? I have one on a monthly allowance, one who likes pay per meet, equally attractive in their own ways. Any other key advice I need to heed?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3117652]Yes, I do think they pay for that membership. They get more control of their profile, like we do intrinsically b / c we pay. Can you hide when you signed up or when you were last on, from where, etc. I hide all of that. B / c I use an onioned browser, it would make me look like a real globe-trotter if I let that show. Bulgaria today, London tomorrow. I even had a POT comment on that earlier on.[/QUOTE]SB's can get a premium account for free if they sign up with their University email. Brilliant marketing by SA. A smart SB knows she can create a fake Uni account at one of several sites. .

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3116292]
I found a Travelex Multi Currency Passport card. I went there today and purchased a card, but I am not sure if / how I am going to use it. It might be a little risky. [b][color=red]They required my full DL, my mother's maiden name, and my SSN. I gave them my sugar email and my sugar phone #.[/color][/b] ...... Bad news. Travelex will know if I spend $ on SA and who I am. The? Is, will SA get my full name, etc. From my using this card. I don't want this to be so in case of another hack ala Ashley Madison. I feel I might have screwed up by mixing identifiable personal info with secret identity. Someone with one might be able to link it to the other. However, if I had only given my civi phone and email, then clearly this card would not be any more usable for SA payments than my personal credit card.

I'd appreciate insight from others before I do anything with this card.[/QUOTE]Hey maybe it is just me and my "nature" but what you did violates the basis of privacy. Oh and sorry to appear so harsh but this really rankles me.

Why would you tie your real identity to your hobby email & phone number? Give your head a shake! What is the purpose of having a hobby number and e-mail if it is tied to your real person: name, DL#, DOB, SSN, mother's maiden name, etc!

If you travel burn off the dollars on that card on legitimate, non-hobby expenses and move on from it and start over.

What would scare me is that I left a "bread crumb" trail from my sugar email and sugar phone number to my real person. Perhaps it is time to dump those and move on there as well? If one continues to use the sugar email & phone, then the bread crumb trail to the real person works. Get a new email and phone and that trail leads to a dead end and only "past" connections are the risk factors.

But hey, I'm just paranoid. I'm just sayin'.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3119516]Hey maybe it is just me and my "nature" but what you did violates the basis of privacy. Oh and sorry to appear so harsh but this really rankles me.

Why would you tie your real identity to your hobby email & phone number? Give your head a shake! What is the purpose of having a hobby number and e-mail if it is tied to your real person: name, DL#, DOB, SSN, mother's maiden name, etc!

If you travel burn off the dollars on that card on legitimate, non-hobby expenses and move on from it and start over.

What would scare me is that I left a "bread crumb" trail from my sugar email and sugar phone number to my real person. Perhaps it is time to dump those and move on there as well? If one continues to use the sugar email & phone, then the bread crumb trail to the real person works. Get a new email and phone and that trail leads to a dead end and only "past" connections are the risk factors.

But hey, I'm just paranoid. I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree. At the moment of getting it, I had no options, and then reflected. I haven't done a thing with that card yet, and as you say, spending it on legit stuff, or even just withdrawing the cash and then killing it, seems to be the right thing to do. I thought my experience of exactly what was required could help others also. The main? Is that while Travelex can make that connection, at the moment no one else could, right? If it did go beyond that then indeed I would have no choice but to bag on the current # and email. My bat phone is lame on texting, so perhaps this would be a good thing. Babies just love to text, and often emails go unseen for days. I could get a new smart batphone, but that's some hassle.

We still need to find a prepaid debit card that is approved for international purposes.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3117821]I used this method very recently to set up my most recent SA membership. This was in the past two weeks or so?

When did you try it? I did not get the request for dob or ssn. I created a new monger PayPal account linked to my monger email and burner phone. I purchased a vanilla visa gift card from Walmart using cash.

Maybe that they recently changed their policy? I also used an address of mine from about 10 addresses ago.[/QUOTE]So out of frustration, I emailed SA with my prepaid vanilla infomation and they processed my transaction within 12 hours. Now I have a couple babies I'm meeting up with soon.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3119516]Hey maybe it is just me and my "nature" but what you did violates the basis of privacy. Oh and sorry to appear so harsh but this really rankles me.

Why would you tie your real identity to your hobby email & phone number? Give your head a shake! What is the purpose of having a hobby number and e-mail if it is tied to your real person: name, DL#, DOB, SSN, mother's maiden name, etc!

If you travel burn off the dollars on that card on legitimate, non-hobby expenses and move on from it and start over.

What would scare me is that I left a "bread crumb" trail from my sugar email and sugar phone number to my real person. Perhaps it is time to dump those and move on there as well? If one continues to use the sugar email & phone, then the bread crumb trail to the real person works. Get a new email and phone and that trail leads to a dead end and only "past" connections are the risk factors.

But hey, I'm just paranoid. I'm just sayin'.[/QUOTE]Second follow up. What I've done since.

I called the card issuer and changed the phone # and email address associated with the account. So now it is just a US debit card that is approved for foreign purchases. What do you think my risk is now? I am thinking I should use this only for civi purchases, right? It will work on SA, but my name etc. Is associated with it, and that means SA could get that info. It's not like a OneVanilla that has only my zip code. Thanks for catching my bad. That's what the Forum is for and that's why I posted. Also, CL, I was going to send you a PM but your mailbox is full.

The problem with your question is that it varies by region. For example, broken down by date, I haven't been able to get a quality baby in NYC for anything less than $500, but in Philly, I've had a 8/9/8 teenage spinner who wanted an allowance of $200 per date and thought a date at chicken and Pete's was upscale. In DC, most 8/8/8 or above balk at an allowance of less than $400 and think a date at a Jose Andres restaurant is too "chainy. " Less than an hour away, I had a rotation filled with teen 9/9/9 spinners off of Baltimore Craigslist made up of students from um nursing, Hopkins, and Towson who were thrilled with $150 per date and a night out at the cheesecake factory in the inner harbor.

Long story short, it depends where you are. It also depends on your skill. For example, Hoya doesn't provide an allowance, and actually dates his sbs. Hes divorced and can offer a pot the possibility of a future with a rich older guy. I think Bike Rider is rhe same, except he has a SO. I dont have the game to get away with that and also gift an allowance to make sure that there is an even trade for discretion. On the other hand some guys take pride in making promises to a girl, but after a long night of sex and drinking, bounce the next day and leave nothing or some modest amount that they think in thier minds is ok since the baby had the privilidge of being with him. The last type of play is not my style for a lot of reasons, but to each his own.

But yes, aggregating figures is a tried and true method. Starting at $1 k a month makes a baby feel less like a two bit SW, and is often less than a decent escorts. Of course until they are proven and trusted, you would never give a baby $1 k up front. That's when I tell them I provide a weekly allowance at first. I tend to stay away from talking about a per date allowance since it often makes them feel cheap, and also has the upside of allowing for more than one date a week.

Just my two cents.

Fish out.

[QUOTE=Doc2016;3117928]Hey all. Just curious as to what all you guys are doing allowance wise? One thing I noticed that seems to get more reception is to speak larger, whole amounts vice per meet amounts. Say you offer a G for 3-4 dates a month. Broken down that's a quarter each visit. But they mostly hear that large number. If you only meet a couple times, you get a lower overall cost. So how do you guys roll with this?[/QUOTE]

Some babies who are Uber competitive will go into overdrive when they know they are not the only one in the mix. They will refuse an allowance, give you crazy sex, offer to go bareback, etc. To convince you that they are the only one you need. It's a complete turnoff to others who view it as a std risk, or who lack the will to compete. To some it doesn't matter, since they are dating multiple daddies and so expect that you're doing the same.

If you have a competitive baby, letting her know about others could be a good thing. I've found that most girls are competitive but it often makes them do some crazy things, especially during that time of the month.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3118368]I'm getting my first going, and wonder about some stuff. Do they know of the other (s), and if so, can you play them off against each other to get better deals? I have one on a monthly allowance, one who likes pay per meet, equally attractive in their own ways. Any other key advice I need to heed?[/QUOTE]

Help me brothers. I have my newest baby in the FC in the morning (mimosas all ready to go), and she had her purse stolen last weekend so she has no CCs. I attempted the hotel booking ala the famous F Scott recipe found here. Found a good rate online. Phoned the hotel and booked using a prepaid debit card (OneVanilla) with $210 on it. I knew I was going to have to show a DL but went with a reservation name that is an easy misspelling of my real one. I show up, she barely glances at the DL, and I think I'm good. I give her the debit card to run and the system won't take it. The amount that their system was going to hold against the card was $190. They would not allow me to pay for the whole thing in advance in cash. They said they would take my cash in the morning, though. However, to check in, I was forced to give them a credit card, not a debit card, and the only thing I had that I felt even remotely comfortable with was a business CC that I pay, the SO never sees. This was at a downmarket brand of Marriot. What did I do wrong, and how do I avoid this in the future?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3119903]Some babies who are Uber competitive will go into overdrive when they know they are not the only one in the mix. They will refuse an allowance, give you crazy sex, offer to go bareback, etc. To convince you that they are the only one you need. It's a complete turnoff to others who view it as a std risk, or who lack the will to compete. To some it doesn't matter, since they are dating multiple daddies and so expect that you're doing the same.

If you have a competitive baby, letting her know about others could be a good thing. I've found that most girls are competitive but it often makes them do some crazy things, especially during that time of the month.[/QUOTE]Good insights. The paypermeet baby probably is dating others, and mentioned she had a clean STD test to show me. The allowance girl is probably not dating others (and I like the idea of having her exclusive), is smart and ambitious, even driven. Sounds competitive to me. But she also may want a 'BF'. Is there danger of driving her away if I let her know about the other girl, and how do you bring a topic like this up? The paypermeet girl likely wouldn't be motivated by allowance girl, right?