"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3116829]Snap chat is great. I love getting snaps from my babies.

All this technology has been great for the sugar world. Kik and snap chat are great tools for communicating with babies. I've been known to pay for subscriptions to Pandora and Netflix for a good baby.

It's a brave new world fellas, got to love it![/QUOTE]So, Fish. I started out using Kik on my regular civi, not burner phone, and I was advised it wasn't perfectly safe. I tried to delete the app but that didn't work and had to do a cold restart of the phone. You're using Kik on your burner? I'd love to have a smart burner, but it might attract too much attention at the homestead. Likewise, getting a better smart civi phone that could do Google Voice. My TracPhone is so tiny I can easily hide it.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3116906]OK, so I upgraded my account and was finally able to send messages and pic requests. About 20-30 so far. It's been about 3 days and I've got nothing, zilch. I did get one response, but when I tried to respond, her profile was poof, gone. Is this normal? What is you guys' average response rate? For the record, I'm not a Quazimodo and I thought my openers were funny and creative. I'm in my 50's, although I look younger, and my target audience is in the lower age bracket (<24).

(Also, while I'm writing this, I just wanted to take a moment to thank the regular members here, JL, FarFar, fish, HWG and others for their contributions. I don't know about everyone else, but I really, really appreciate the efforts and time that you guys put into it. Kudos to all of you).[/QUOTE]You can click my profile and search my prior posts. Look for one titled moneybowl. It breaks down my stats for messages to m&g to fc. Your numbers aren't far off. It's a numbers and volume game.

Also, if you link a vanilla visa to a PayPal, you can further add a layer of security. As long as the addresses match, you should be good to go. Basically use a vanilla visa purchased with cash from your local Walmart, and use that to fund your sugar paypal account.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3116894]I can confirm that OneVanilla is still no bueno, at least as of a few days ago when I finally did upgrade my SA account. I ended up setting up a separate PayPal Account just for this and transferred a small amount from my real PP account (where I have funds available) and then checked out "Via PayPal" using this new account and voila, Bob's your uncle. I set the account up with the monger email, monger phone, etc. So even if SA gets compromised, including the cutomer payment history, they'll still get my pictures and SA back and forth emails with the babes, but there's nothing that ties back to me, except the one-time transfer between the two PP accounts, but that's unlikely to be revealed because I use different pwds for SA, GMail, MSN, PP, etc. , all stored in my virtual machine, so it would take NSA-level skills to trace things back to the real me. I don't have an SO, but I do value my privacy more than the average Joe.[/QUOTE]A great book to read about online privacy. Data and Goliath. It will chill your bones, and also get you to do right by yourself online.

[QUOTE=Assaholic;3116906]OK, so I upgraded my account and was finally able to send messages and pic requests. About 20-30 so far. It's been about 3 days and I've got nothing, zilch. I did get one response, but when I tried to respond, her profile was poof, gone. Is this normal? What is you guys' average response rate? For the record, I'm not a Quazimodo and I thought my openers were funny and creative. I'm in my 50's, although I look younger, and my target audience is in the lower age bracket (<24).

(Also, while I'm writing this, I just wanted to take a moment to thank the regular members here, JL, FarFar, fish, HWG and others for their contributions. I don't know about everyone else, but I really, really appreciate the efforts and time that you guys put into it. Kudos to all of you).[/QUOTE]First you got to have patience, especially if dealing with that age group. They have no timetable so they usually get back to ya when convenient for them. They are here to be helped so remember first its going to be about a good arrangement for them. Next your personality plays a huge role. Whats funny and witty to a 50's guy maynot be what they think is funny. When chasing that age group your dealing with kids in the most part who are very unpredictable.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3116985]You can click my profile and search my prior posts. Look for one titled moneybowl. It breaks down my stats for messages to m&g to fc. Your numbers aren't far off. It's a numbers and volume game.

Also, if you link a vanilla visa to a PayPal, you can further add a layer of security. As long as the addresses match, you should be good to go. Basically use a vanilla visa purchased with cash from your local Walmart, and use that to fund your sugar paypal account.[/QUOTE]Are people getting these PayPal accounts without having to get bank verified or I'd verified? I thought that was the catch.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3116815]

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Dr. McNaughty, Bike Rider, I suspect you're both single, right? I know Hoya is as well. BTW, when I say "single" I mean unmarried. Since many of you brothers have a rotation of ladies, or have a SB right now. Any other brothers out there who are playing in the bowl with no sugar who are not tied down by a SO?

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[/QUOTE]I have a SO. I married very late in life. While I care greatly for my SO and her kids, I probably shouldn't have said "I do". I do have a prenup, fortunately.

I travel a great deal to a handful of places where I've business, or places I am trying to start new business. When I was single, my friends always joked that I had one in every port. I usually laughed and corrected them that it was usually 2-3 in every port! I cut back once I married.

I've been seeing one of my babies (Korean flight attendant) longer than I've known my SO. Something that doesn't go over well, to this day, with the baby. Oh well.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3116985]
Also, if you link a vanilla visa to a PayPal, you can further add a layer of security. As long as the addresses match, you should be good to go. Basically use a vanilla visa purchased with cash from your local Walmart, and use that to fund your sugar paypal account.[/QUOTE]When I tried this it asked for DOB and ssn.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3116998]Are people getting these PayPal accounts without having to get bank verified or I'd verified? I thought that was the catch.[/QUOTE]Yes. Be careful. I tried paypal a few years ago with a gift card, and they froze my account and I was out $100. They wanted to see a real I'd. I had set up the account with my bowl info.

Transferring from an existing account might be the secret, but I'm hesitant to donate another $100 to paypal.

I have been reading a lot about guys having issues using prepaid cards / gift cards for SA membership. So this may be a stupid question but couldn't you just create a new mongering PayPal account, using your monger email and burner phone. Then you can add cash to the Pay Pal account using PayPal Cash card. I believe you can get that card at any convenience store. You load money on the card at the registry and then you log into your PayPal account and enter the pin and the money should be loaded to your monger PayPal account. This way you don't have to link your monger PayPal account to a bank account or your credit card. Wouldn't that work?

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-allegedly-cons-women-buying-150532594.html[/URL]

He's been charged with impersonating a federal agent, and identity theft. Not for convincing multiple women to buy him fancy cars!

[QUOTE=Ltnric;3117218]I have been reading a lot about guys having issues using prepaid cards / gift cards for SA membership. So this may be a stupid question but couldn't you just create a new mongering PayPal account, using your monger email and burner phone. Then you can add cash to the Pay Pal account using PayPal Cash card. I believe you can get that card at any convenience store. You load money on the card at the registry and then you log into your PayPal account and enter the pin and the money should be loaded to your monger PayPal account. This way you don't have to link your monger PayPal account to a bank account or your credit card. Wouldn't that work?[/QUOTE]I think the issue is what is posted before your post. Sometimes PayPal *does* seek bank verification. This has nothing to do with keeping us from paying our bowl expenses or risk to them, and everything to do with statutes about money laundering, know your customer rules, and international terrorism. What you describe would also be a way for some nutjob to send $ overseas to any fringe militia. I use legal online gaming accounts to move $ around, and even there, I sometimes run into problems for this very reason. You can't just do a xfer from a bank and then do a withdrawal at a casino. You have to actually bet the funds before you withdraw 'winnings'.

A couple of times back on my SA renewal, I did use the PayPal option and essentially created a new PayPal account with my sugar info. That time it worked. The next time around I clicked that link on SA and I was taken to the sugar paypal account. I entered in my OneVanilla card info and tried to renew, but no dice. I still haven't been asked for bank verification or identification, but that account also doesn't work to renew my SA membership.

Actually I have two hot babies right now and several POTs who are messaging me, so I don't really need to have a membership. It is hard not to window shop however, and I've even gotten messages and favorites from girls who really appeal. There aren't enough hours in the day, though, to both make the $ and blow it on pussy beyond what I've already got (and keep out of the gaze of the SO).

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3117223][URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-allegedly-cons-women-buying-150532594.html[/URL]
He's been charged with impersonating a federal agent, and identity theft. Not for convincing multiple women to buy him fancy cars![/QUOTE]Frumpy, overweight dude from Missouri talks a 27 year old into buying him a few hundred thousand worth of cars and cash. Got to love Plenty of Fish. I pulled some real gems from there but none of them offered to care of me like that. I was just waiting for them to post a pic of the girl -- funny if she ends up looking like Scarlett Johansson.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3116998]Are people getting these PayPal accounts without having to get bank verified or I'd verified? I thought that was the catch.[/QUOTE]Nope, no bank verification, and no I'd, and I'm not even sure about the phone. That might have been FB, not sure. I even used my fake monger first and last names and address of a local U-Haul place. If it works...

[QUOTE=Doc2016;3116916]What does your profile say? Do you have photos posted? It's hard to say what isn't working without all the information. Yes, there are a lot of flakes there and some do just disappear. But out of 20-30 emails, it's either your email or profile. Are they viewing your profile?[/QUOTE]Some had viewed my profile (after my opener) but most hadn't. My profile is fairly generic: says I'm a nice guy, will treat them with respect, etc. I do have a profile pic plus private pics, but in my profile pic, my face is somewhat obscured, but I have to believe that with all the married SDs here, that that must be pretty common. And it says what type of relationship I'm looking for and what specific ethnicity. The only possible explanation I've been able to come up with so far is that although I look 1000% white, I'm actually middle eastern, and I've been honest about that on my profile, so maybe these babies are only looking for white or black gents or whatever and filtering everyone else out. I hope not, but I donno.

What does it mean when the SB is a premium member. Did she have to pay for it? Does it mean she's a pro or an UTR?