Escort Reports

[QUOTE=BrooklynMatt;5518694]I've seen her and she's real however she's a bit of a loony toon. To begin with. Her pictures are awful and make her look like a tranny. She's much more feminine looking in person but has had some very poorly done plastic surgery. It took me about a week to get an appointment with her and the only reason I did see her is she kept following up with me. And even the day of our appointment she moved it back by about two hours. Luckily I had the time. Now bad plastic surgery aside, she has a perfect body in terms of no fat whatsoever and while she's muscular she's still feminine. Peformance. She will literally do ANYTHING you want. Let's just say if I wrote a full review this would be in a different section.

Now here's the problem. She a flake. In addition to the scheduling thing her rate seems to vary depending on when you talk to her. She went from reasonable to totally unreasonable and everything in between when we were setting things up. We settled on something reasonable. And the there was the texting. She texted me pretty nonstop in the next few days after I saw her. I'm not sure if she liked me (from her texts it sounded like she did) or if she was just trying to get another appointment but I ultimately had to block her. I don't think she's a junkie or anything but I do think she may be mentally ill to some degree.[/QUOTE]She can be the most feminine woman ever. She looks like a man and a post op at best. I could be wrong but couple that with flakiness and GPS (or is it GDS) why even bother. Too many options out here.

Ariel is bak? I don't remember seeing her post but maybe she post in another boro?

[URL]https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/ariel-is-back-in-town-518-816/576255067171[/URL]

She looks lik SW, who got help from someone to post.

[URL]https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/other/head-drall-bjs-one-price/022112237322[/URL]

[QUOTE=BrooklynMatt;5518694]I've seen her and she's real however she's a bit of a loony toon. To begin with. Her pictures are awful and make her look like a tranny. She's much more feminine looking in person but has had some very poorly done plastic surgery. It took me about a week to get an appointment with her and the only reason I did see her is she kept following up with me. And even the day of our appointment she moved it back by about two hours. Luckily I had the time. Now bad plastic surgery aside, she has a perfect body in terms of no fat whatsoever and while she's muscular she's still feminine. Peformance. She will literally do ANYTHING you want. Let's just say if I wrote a full review this would be in a different section.

Now here's the problem. She a flake. In addition to the scheduling thing her rate seems to vary depending on when you talk to her. She went from reasonable to totally unreasonable and everything in between when we were setting things up. We settled on something reasonable. And the there was the texting. She texted me pretty nonstop in the next few days after I saw her. I'm not sure if she liked me (from her texts it sounded like she did) or if she was just trying to get another appointment but I ultimately had to block her. I don't think she's a junkie or anything but I do think she may be mentally ill to some degree.[/QUOTE]That explains it.

[QUOTE=WhiteTesla5;5519399]Ariel is bak? I don't remember seeing her post but maybe she post in another boro?

[URL]https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/ariel-is-back-in-town-518-816/576255067171[/URL]

She looks lik SW, who got help from someone to post.

[URL]https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/other/head-drall-bjs-one-price/022112237322[/URL][/QUOTE]She's part of bucket-pussy Kelly's crew of methed out misfits.

I'd recommend you stay far far away.

Any info on this girl? Looks super hot.

[URL]https://adultsearch.com/new-york/manhattan/female-escorts/1680666[/URL]

[URL]https://adultsearch.com/new-york/manhattan/female-escorts/2461507[/URL]

Anyone got anything on her? Thanks!

Took a day off. This spot more expensive than regular CDP I've been in BX and Queens. They host at a hotel in midtown.

Overall 10/10. She is in my top 3 and I don't mind spending a little extra for 1 Hr and extras.

Had to wait a little longer than scheduled time but ok. Went to the room and she opened the door. With only a towel. She dropped it immediately. Off course with surgery but her body is proportioned perfectly the way I like it. She has a cute face and as always very eager to please.

First round got CBJ (I always go with cover for everything). I guess it was good but I was only focused watching her ass and in the mirror.

Mish doggy reverse cg & cg. Fun time and I was way more relaxed that our previous visits in CDP when I usually can't get more than 15 SS.

For second round I asked for anal and it was worth every sec. Same positions but with my D in her *. All I see is my fella going in and out of that perfect big bubble butt.

Time was close to end so she took the condom out and did a HJ to cum on her tits.

If my memory is not wrong is 300 HR + tips.

Have a good one and be safe.

Anyone have any experience with Katia. Please PM.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/katiatravelz[/URL]#photos.

Just wondering since there was a girl I was thinking of seeing. Her tryst page was Bellababy22. She's gone now, was wondering if she's done for good. I know some people here said they saw here at one point.

[QUOTE=HinesKarlton;5479962]Wish more men were like you.

These simps are going to price us the fuck out.[/QUOTE]Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.

When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.

Now, agencies will always charge less than independents for many reasons: nature of the service since agencies tend to have sketchier venues, stricter time slots, and higher volume of clientele; overhead costs since agencies can put multiple girls in one space, their reputations are already known / easily researched, advertising multiple girls at a time. As an independent, you have to pay for your own ads, your own incall location, your own business phone, website, etc, the overhead is much higher when it's just you. Also, agencies have a booker, so girls are just sitting around waiting for the agency to tell them someone is coming. As an independent, you spend a lot of valuable time screening and weeding out flakes. Most independents (or girls like me who later turn indie) do so bc we want a lower volume of higher paying clientele and know the business well enough that we feel confident taking on all the aspects an agency normally handles. Also, while I see fewer people, I still spend more time handling advertising and calls. I can also tell you, it's not so much these clients are "thirsty simps" as you call them, but men who don't mind paying extra for a girl who he knows is lower volume and will be more likely to not treat him like a dime-a-dozen trick. (Not to mention clients looking for allergy-accommodating providers may want to pay extra for low-volume providers just for risk reasons). These clients also tend to understand that they are paying more bc they are dealing with that provider only from the beginning, that we are doing all the work an agency does for ourselves and since we are doing more, our rates are higher. From my personal experience, I have much better sexual chemistry and overall better experiences with my indie clients than I ever did at an agency- I chalk this up to having total control of my online presence, who I choose to see (or not), and the more generosity I receive. (Let's face it, a provider will always treat a high paying client better and give them priority over lower paying clients bc this is a job to us at the end of the day).

Also remember that fucking off won't cost you anything, if you can't afford someone's rate, don't see them. Everyone is entitled to set their prices how they want. You can judge them for being unreasonable and their clients for being simps all you want, but they can also judge you for being a overly-frugal cheapskates who spends their time haggling and blaming other people for their own penny-pinching.

I mean, I can call you names like being a cheapskate if you don't want to pay ten times what you pay for any service you use, your cellphone, electricity, your rent, food, restaurants, etc. We can do that with anything right? Do you like being called a cheapskate? Do you think it's fair?

I'll bet you want to get as much value for your money regarding the things you buy too. And I will also bet, because of the business you are in, that you aren't a multimillionaire either like most of the folks on this board.

There is a balance that I think we can get to between what is fair for a monger to pay and what is fair for an escorts time. And I will tell you right now that $600/ hr and up is not it.

[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5525052]Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.

When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.

Now, agencies will always charge less than independents for many reasons: nature of the service since agencies tend to have sketchier venues, stricter time slots, and higher volume of clientele; overhead costs since agencies can put multiple girls in one space, their reputations are already known / easily researched, advertising multiple girls at a time. As an independent, you have to pay for your own ads, your own incall location, your own business phone, website, etc, the overhead is much higher when it's just you. Also, agencies have a booker, so girls are just sitting around waiting for the agency to tell them someone is coming. As an independent, you spend a lot of valuable time screening and weeding out flakes. Most independents (or girls like me who later turn indie) do so bc we want a lower volume of higher paying clientele and know the business well enough that we feel confident taking on all the aspects an agency normally handles. Also, while I see fewer people, I still spend more time handling advertising and calls. I can also tell you, it's not so much these clients are "thirsty simps" as you call them, but men who don't mind paying extra for a girl who he knows is lower volume and will be more likely to not treat him like a dime-a-dozen trick. (Not to mention clients looking for allergy-accommodating providers may want to pay extra for low-volume providers just for risk reasons). These clients also tend to understand that they are paying more bc they are dealing with that provider only from the beginning, that we are doing all the work an agency does for ourselves and since we are doing more, our rates are higher. From my personal experience, I have much better sexual chemistry and overall better experiences with my indie clients than I ever did at an agency- I chalk this up to having total control of my online presence, who I choose to see (or not), and the more generosity I receive. (Let's face it, a provider will always treat a high paying client better and give them priority over lower paying clients bc this is a job to us at the end of the day).

Also remember that fucking off won't cost you anything, if you can't afford someone's rate, don't see them. Everyone is entitled to set their prices how they want. You can judge them for being unreasonable and their clients for being simps all you want, but they can also judge you for being a overly-frugal cheapskates who spends their time haggling and blaming other people for their own penny-pinching.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5525052]Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.[/QUOTE]Interesting post. The problem is that simps are driving up prices across the WHOLE market. Low-volume, high value ladies like yourself were always around. But this time, the agency girls and the backpage streetwalkers are following suit too. They've inflated their rates twofold or threefold.

For example, at one very popular NYC agency, half the girls working there are drug addicts coming up from Florida. Just two years ago, those girls were charging 300 an hour. Now those same girls are charging 400-600 an hour. All for the same on-and-off service, mind you, if reviews on here and a couple other major sites are to be believed.

When you moved on from your agency and went Indy, it sounds like your service probably improved tremendously. You picked your clients, you weeded out the disgusting losers, you were actually able to build some chemistry with the men you handpicked. All those things contributed and made you better at your craft. And for that, your price hike is justified. Can't say the same for so many of the other girls who are hiking prices just cause more simps have flooded the market. The product they're selling doesn't justify the price hike, period.

BTW, can you private message me your ad? I've been looking for a good girl for something steady now that my last girl is tied up in a relationship. Feel free to say no if you're not comfortable with it.

The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.

[QUOTE=Nsugen;5525651]Interesting post. The problem is that simps are driving up prices across the WHOLE market. Low-volume, high value ladies like yourself were always around. But this time, the agency girls and the backpage streetwalkers are following suit too. They've inflated their rates twofold or threefold.

For example, at one very popular NYC agency, half the girls working there are drug addicts coming up from Florida. Just two years ago, those girls were charging 300 an hour. Now those same girls are charging 400-600 an hour. All for the same on-and-off service, mind you, if reviews on here and a couple other major sites are to be believed.

When you moved on from your agency and went Indy, it sounds like your service probably improved tremendously. You picked your clients, you weeded out the disgusting losers, you were actually able to build some chemistry with the men you handpicked. All those things contributed and made you better at your craft. And for that, your price hike is justified. Can't say the same for so many of the other girls who are hiking prices just cause more simps have flooded the market. The product they're selling doesn't justify the price hike, period.

BTW, can you private message me your ad? I've been looking for a good girl for something steady now that my last girl is tied up in a relationship. Feel free to say no if you're not comfortable with it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but the girls at Lear aren't making $300 an hour because they have to give up a percentage. And I think a large one. Of the fee.

AMP girls at the higher end places are in the same boat. And in both situations they are still making bank.

The only way someone making $150/ hr or above isn't doing very well if they put that money up their nose or in a vein. And if they are doing that no amount of money will be enough.

[QUOTE=SecretStuffing;5526050]Yeah but the girls at Lear aren't making $300 an hour because they have to give up a percentage. And I think a large one. Of the fee.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tpsreportflair;5525858]The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.[/QUOTE]While that is true, they can also make 250-500 K staying home as a cam girl and on * That's where the sharp white talent is going to. Roll out of bed and start camming. No boss, no trek to work etc.

[QUOTE=Tpsreportflair;5525858]The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.[/QUOTE]First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons. Likewise, if a client wants a quick and cheap service with whoever without breaking the bank, cool go for it. If that same client wants to save up and budget for an expensive independent provider, good for both of them.

In my experience, when I raised my rates I found I was pulling more clients who saw escorts as a special treat. Maybe they visit less frequently than an agency client, but their intentions and expectations are totally different (same with choosing a meal). When I was with agencies, I found the client experience to feel more like I was trying to satiate their entitlement and price match with girls who I had nothing in common with.

One comparison I make sometimes is that escorts can almost be likened to getting a tattoo. I could spend $50 for my friends uncle to tattoo me in his basement with a homemade machine. Or I can save my money, research artists, and drop a couple hundred bucks on something I won't regret. Who's the sucker now? I mean, at the end of the day they are both tattoos, right?

Furthermore, when I see an independent escort charging upwards of $1000/ hr, I don't see that as a threat to my worth since I charge less. In fact, I'm happy for anyone who can make that work. Similarly, clients who pay those prices aren't really a threat as an agency could never compete with that.

Contrary to popular belief, escorting is not easy and most people are not cut out for it. One little mistake could mean the risks far outweigh the reward. Not to mention, everything is slightly pricier in Manhattan. And if you are so upset that the industry as a whole as seen an price increase. No one is making you book appts. If you consider "mongering" a "hobby," you clearly are not broke.

[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5525052]Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.

When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.
[/QUOTE]This also comes from dating am escort but a good escort knows how to make the experience authentic no matter how fake it is. She hated her job but her clients would never know that. So the whole sexual compatibility bring better is bs. No offence meant. Just stating the facts. A job of an escort is to make the experience exactly what you advertise so it doesn't matter if the guy you are dealing with is a grotesque senior citizen or the type of guy you date in your personal life. And I've browsed the reddit forums of sex workers. The lack of respect and contempt most of you hold for your clientele is astounding. So only a symp would believe the fantasy they choose to believe with every experience they have with an escort. Just thought I'd point that out. No offense meant. This is all transactional at the end of the day.

[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5526894]First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons. Likewise, if a client wants a quick and cheap service with whoever without breaking the bank, cool go for it. If that same client wants to save up and budget for an expensive independent provider, good for both of them.

In my experience, when I raised my rates I found I was pulling more clients who saw escorts as a special treat. Maybe they visit less frequently than an agency client, but their intentions and expectations are totally different (same with choosing a meal). When I was with agencies, I found the client experience to feel more like I was trying to satiate their entitlement and price match with girls who I had nothing in common with.

One comparison I make sometimes is that escorts can almost be likened to getting a tattoo. I could spend $50 for my friends uncle to tattoo me in his basement with a homemade machine. Or I can save my money, research artists, and drop a couple hundred bucks on something I won't regret. Who's the sucker now? I mean, at the end of the day they are both tattoos, right?

Furthermore, when I see an independent escort charging upwards of $1000/ hr, I don't see that as a threat to my worth since I charge less. In fact, I'm happy for anyone who can make that work. Similarly, clients who pay those prices aren't really a threat as an agency could never compete with that.

Contrary to popular belief, escorting is not easy and most people are not cut out for it. One little mistake could mean the risks far outweigh the reward. Not to mention, everything is slightly pricier in Manhattan. And if you are so upset that the industry as a whole as seen an price increase. No one is making you book appts. If you consider "mongering" a "hobby," you clearly are not broke.[/QUOTE]To add my two cents here:

I have friends who are former sex workers and it definitely takes it's toll over time so I totally understand charging more to see fewer clients. But I'll also add that from the way your describing things it sounds like you give it your all with your clients. And there are quite a few who charge high rates but really don't perform. And that's a problem when you're spending a lot. There are two high end ladies I see fairly regularly. They are not actually the most attractive girls out there but they give me the performance I'm expecting for the kind of rates that they charge. So to me that's worth it. I don't see them all the time but I do see them once a month or so. It's the Peter Luger meal vs McDonalds. But I think the problem that cropping up is a lot of women are asking for a premium without delivering a premium performance. Or just raising rates because they see everyone else doing it.

[QUOTE=BrooklynMatt;5527084]But I think the problem that cropping up is a lot of women are asking for a premium without delivering a premium performance. Or just raising rates because they see everyone else doing it.[/QUOTE]Bingo. This is the issue. The girl isn't even denying this, if I'm reading her essays right.

This is what we're talking about when we say simps have fucked this market up lately.

[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5527016]A job of an escort is to make the experience exactly what you advertise so it doesn't matter if the guy you are dealing with is a grotesque senior citizen or the type of guy you date in your personal life. And I've browsed the reddit forums of sex workers. The lack of respect and contempt most of you hold for your clientele is astounding.[/QUOTE]These women are only human. Relax. I dated an escort too. Escorting isn't easy work. So no, escorts can have off sessions too. Expecting them to be 100% every session is foolish.

But yeah, a lot of escorts do hold their clients in disdain. Fuck those girls that hate on us. That's why we have these review forums, to try and weed out those very hoes. Its not hard to filter them out too if you know what to ask them and watch their body language carefully.

As I noted earlier, even a $300/ hr agency girl whose agency takes a 50% cut will make $150,000 a year if she only sees 4 clients a day 5 days a week. $150 x 4 = 600. $600 x 5 = $3000. $3000 x 50 = $150,000.

And I get that escorting isn't easy, but in the above scenario the escort is workin glow volume and still making extremely good money. Just to extend the above example again, if that escort goes independent and still charges $300 and still goes low volume seeing the same amount of clients she now makes $300,000 a year. I want to make sure all guys see that here. There is no reason for 90% of escorts to be charging more than that. So people here know, that is about $50,000 to $75,000 more than your average doctor in NYC makes.

The good news is, with de facto legalization, there will probably be a lot of downward pressure on prices. It just may take a little time.

One finally note for the guys here regarding $1000 and higher an hour escorts. You can wake up on Saturday, fly to Toronto or Montreal, stay in a four star hotel, book two one hour sessions with really cute and good service escorts in either of those locations, eat meals Saturday and Sunday in restaurants in those cities for around $1000. That is how screwed up the pricing is here.

[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5526894]First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons. Likewise, if a client wants a quick and cheap service with whoever without breaking the bank, cool go for it. If that same client wants to save up and budget for an expensive independent provider, good for both of them.

In my experience, when I raised my rates I found I was pulling more clients who saw escorts as a special treat. Maybe they visit less frequently than an agency client, but their intentions and expectations are totally different (same with choosing a meal). When I was with agencies, I found the client experience to feel more like I was trying to satiate their entitlement and price match with girls who I had nothing in common with.

One comparison I make sometimes is that escorts can almost be likened to getting a tattoo. I could spend $50 for my friends uncle to tattoo me in his basement with a homemade machine. Or I can save my money, research artists, and drop a couple hundred bucks on something I won't regret. Who's the sucker now? I mean, at the end of the day they are both tattoos, right?

Furthermore, when I see an independent escort charging upwards of $1000/ hr, I don't see that as a threat to my worth since I charge less. In fact, I'm happy for anyone who can make that work. Similarly, clients who pay those prices aren't really a threat as an agency could never compete with that.

Contrary to popular belief, escorting is not easy and most people are not cut out for it. One little mistake could mean the risks far outweigh the reward. Not to mention, everything is slightly pricier in Manhattan. And if you are so upset that the industry as a whole as seen an price increase. No one is making you book appts. If you consider "mongering" a "hobby," you clearly are not broke.[/QUOTE]

What's up my people just wondering if anybody has some intell on Daisy she posts on adult search anybody knows her schedule?? I remember she used to be on AP back in the day and she is fun to be with.

Peace my fellow mongers.

You want to charge absurd rates that's fine but you have to live up to the service otherwise it's a rip off.

Charging $600 or more entails automatically that the provider includes BBBJ, GFE, and two pops unless they're a pornstar as they'd be selling the "pornstar" celebrity factor.

If you don't offer those services then you shouldn't be above $250/ hr MAX plain and simple.

Looks are subjective, prices are based on service, and increase in price entails an increase in performance and service extras.

Otherwise the massive boycotting of the rip offs will continue and overpriced rip off escorts will not make any bread.

It's time for prices to go BACK to pre 2018 prices when the business was better, enough of the games.

Rip offs are dangerous for the industry not just for the client getting ripped off but the providers as they don't know which nutcase they could be dealing with.

You rip me off?

I'll walk away and pray to Christ almighty you enjoy the money and change as a person, I hold no bitterness.

I got ripped off 300 I walked away no problem.

Others?

You never know, especially with the amount of lunatic clients and incidents happening over the last year.

Then you have others not so crazy but won't let someone get away with that.

You won't find many nice guys like me.

We need better rates and services, more independents so we can have great experiences for client and providers with no trafficking, no rip offs, no incidents and even enjoyable experiences for both parties.

[QUOTE=UCIndieAgent;5526894]First to set this straight- most agencies in NYC take a 50% cut, so at $300/ hr, a girl is making $50. Agency girls also usually pay for their own travel, toiletries, (emergency) contraception, and sexual health needs. I totally agree with you that agencies shouldn't charge the same as the average independent bc generally the service is not as good. Do not expect an independent escort service when paying agency rates.

I like your comparison and would like to expand on it some: There are days when I'm in the mood for cheap fast food so I get a $2 burger from wherever. It's fine, I just want to fill up and don't really care if it's not that good bc that wasn't what I was going for. There are other days where I have some extra money and treat myself to a fancy meal from a more upscale restaurant. Just because I ate at McDonald's Tuesday doesn't make me poor or cheap. Just because I ate at La Grenouille on Wednesday doesn't mean I am rich or that I was ripped off. I like that there is a range of options and depending on my mood and finances, I can make that call. The two are not mutually exclusive and both will always have patrons.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tpsreportflair;5527626]As I noted earlier, even a $300/ hr agency girl whose agency takes a 50% cut will make $150,000 a year if she only sees 4 clients a day 5 days a week. $150 x 4 = 600. $600 x 5 = $3000. $3000 x 50 = $150,000.

And I get that escorting isn't easy, but in the above scenario the escort is workin glow volume and still making extremely good money. Just to extend the above example again, if that escort goes independent and still charges $300 and still goes low volume seeing the same amount of clients she now makes $300,000 a year. I want to make sure all guys see that here. There is no reason for 90% of escorts to be charging more than that. So people here know, that is about $50,000 to $75,000 more than your average doctor in NYC makes.

The good news is, with de facto legalization, there will probably be a lot of downward pressure on prices. It just may take a little time.

One finally note for the guys here regarding $1000 and higher an hour escorts. You can wake up on Saturday, fly to Toronto or Montreal, stay in a four star hotel, book two one hour sessions with really cute and good service escorts in either of those locations, eat meals Saturday and Sunday in restaurants in those cities for around $1000. That is how screwed up the pricing is here.[/QUOTE]Banging 1000 guys a year and making $150 k seems like a lot to you? Do you have any idea what these women deal with?

[QUOTE=Garretts1965;5529363]Banging 1000 guys a year and making $150 k seems like a lot to you? Do you have any idea what these women deal with?[/QUOTE]You seriously want us to care what these th0 ts go through? Like seriously let's take a doctor or any Healthcare professional who are actually doing great things for society. These individuals work ungodly amount of hours, are severely understaffed, always in a stressful situation where people lives are on the line. And they only make a fraction of what an above average prostitute (Eros type not backpage).These are women who had the choice to pursue a doctorates or similar career path and actually contribute to society. Not saying their 3 holes aren't useful depending on the guy and the situation but not enough that I would care about their problems. You think they care about your problems? They don't even remember who you are until they scroll up on your next text message so they can see who they are speaking to when you contact them the next time.

[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5529446]You seriously want us to care what these th0 ts go through? Like seriously let's take a doctor or any Healthcare professional who are actually doing great things for society. These individuals work ungodly amount of hours, are severely understaffed, always in a stressful situation where people lives are on the line. And they only make a fraction of what an above average prostitute (Eros type not backpage).These are women who had the choice to pursue a doctorates or similar career path and actually contribute to society. Not saying their 3 holes aren't useful depending on the guy and the situation but not enough that I would care about their problems. You think they care about your problems? They don't even remember who you are until they scroll up on your next text message so they can see who they are speaking to when you contact them the next time.[/QUOTE]To be fair, a lot of doctors / nurses don't give a fuck who their patients are too. I know quite a few of them. They do their job because it's just that, a job. As you go through life, you're going to realize that most people don't give much a fuck about you, regardless of profession.

[QUOTE=Nsugen;5529783]To be fair, a lot of doctors / nurses don't give a fuck who their patients are too. I know quite a few of them. They do their job because it's just that, a job. As you go through life, you're going to realize that most people don't give much a fuck about you, regardless of profession.[/QUOTE]Yah I could care less if a succor card about me or not. I work in the medical field. I can't expect a doctor to care about me as an individual when they have like 300 plus other patients in the low end. At least with health care professionals they care about their licenses enough not to eff me up. Plus with everyone quick to sue nowadays they make sure they are extra efficient in their crafts. That's enough for me. Mind you in a healthcare professional that don't give 2 craps about my patients as individuals so I can relate. I'll do my job like you mentioned but am I really going to feel sad if I have to tell you that you have terminal cancer? I would care if you were a pediatric patient with their whole life ahead of you but yall adults. We all got to die one day. Either way is still on another spectrum compared to sex workers.

And if we are going to go there, there are a lot of people out there that have all kinds of shitty, soul destroying jobs who slave away for 40 hours a week or more and make 1/3 to 1/2 of that money and have shitty lives on top of it because they are broke because their wage is shit.

150 K puts them easily in the top 5-10% of wage earners in the city. NYC is one of the few places that is like this. In most places the average wage an escort would make if they saw 20 guys per week would put them much closer to the average wage for that area. Perhaps they would be in the 68th percentile, not 90-95th percentile. And let's not forget, we're talking $300/ hr agency escorts where the escort gets half. Let's not kid ourselves by saying that's the majority of what we are seeing. Most escorts now are indys charging $600 and up per hour. If they see 20 guys a week they make $600,000 a year. That is in the top one tenth of one percent of wage earners in the city. What kind of shit is that?

[QUOTE=Garretts1965;5529363]Banging 1000 guys a year and making $150 k seems like a lot to you? Do you have any idea what these women deal with?[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/isabelnyc-protonmail-com[/URL]

I first saw posts about Isabel 10-15 years ago. One way or another, I never ended up seeing her even though I was going to several times. Anyway, I called her up this weekend and made an appointment. She had been napping and needed time to get ready. When I was close by, she texted me that she was delayed. Long story short, the delay extended to 45 minutes to an hour, with her keeping me informed and apologizing.

I get there and am greeted by a really cute girl next door type brunette. She told me she was going to give me extra time for the delay and then she grabbed me and started dfk me. We disrobed and she gave me a vigorous bbj and then we made our way to the bedroom. All I can say is, this lady loves sex. I have a new definition for what is a 10 on a scale of 1-10 for enthusiasm and passion, and Isabel is that 10. She wants the sex more than I do, more than anyone I have met and it is clearly not an act. We absolutely pounded each other out, kissed like long lost lovers, and just kept going like the world was going to end and this was the last fuck of our lives. Finally I asked for a bbj finish and it was cimnqns. When we looked at the time, two hours had passed. We railed the shit out of each other for two hours and never came up for air. Isabel laughed and said, wow, I meant to give you SOME extra time but wow it just flew by. I said I understood if she didn't want to take more time to give me a massage that she promised but she said I am not letting you get out of here without massaging you thoroughly and she did.

She only charged me for the one hour and I tipped $100 as it was the least I could do. You all know from my posts that I don't like to overpay for this stuff but I got Isabel for 2 hrs and 15 min with the massage and a $100 tip to take it from $400 to $500 was only fair.

I feel like an idiot for not seeing her sooner. That was probably the best adult experience of my life. I can't remember a better one for sure. All the service, contact and pricing details are in the tryst link.

I would like to point out that it takes two- What I mean is, I very much view a lot of my appointments as a mutual agreement to uphold a level of shared cognitive dissonance. I provide a girlfriend experience for a set amount of time. They know I'm not their girlfriend, they do not want me as their real full time girlfriend (nor do I want to be that). When I worked for agencies, I had more clients where I felt I was working much harder and it was far more difficult to feign interest and chemistry, but as you stated, that's part of a day's work. As an independent with more control over who I see, it's a lot easier and do find that I have made plenty of genuine connections with people. There is a lot of nuance within the provider / client relationship and it's not always "she's faking it, he knows he's not special. " I've had to cut clients off or create distinct boundaries for some who do not understand that they will never be my serious romantic / life partner, I have extended appts with clients free of charge simply bc we were having such great conversation, time slipped away. I don't think it's fair to assume that only "simps" believe an escort likes them because that unfairly simplifies the experiences and roles of both parties.

I agree that there are plenty of providers who are jaded or for whatever reason continue to do FS sex work when they hate / resent the hell out of it. I used to cruise those same subreddits and had to leave bc even as a provider who has shared many of the same experiences, the level of disdain is both mind boggling and toxic. Every industry has folks who hate their jobs.

[QUOTE=PunkedLife;5527016]This also comes from dating am escort but a good escort knows how to make the experience authentic no matter how fake it is. She hated her job but her clients would never know that. So the whole sexual compatibility bring better is bs. No offence meant. Just stating the facts. A job of an escort is to make the experience exactly what you advertise so it doesn't matter if the guy you are dealing with is a grotesque senior citizen or the type of guy you date in your personal life. And I've browsed the reddit forums of sex workers. The lack of respect and contempt most of you hold for your clientele is astounding. So only a symp would believe the fantasy they choose to believe with every experience they have with an escort. Just thought I'd point that out. No offense meant. This is all transactional at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]

Anybody know of any?

Tina marie look her up on tryst. Link website.

[QUOTE=JakeeRann99;5538136]Anybody know of any?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StevenMike;5538677]Tina marie look her up on tryst. Link website.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've seen her ads before, any others?

Anyone know what happen to Lara huge tatas latina colombian who use to post in midtown? Her ads disappeared and not replying to text lately. https://sumosear.ch/images/phone/201-643-0867

In the area, was going to see dolci but she already had another appointment. Txt her didn't expect much with the fake photos. She sent one real photo which nice double d chest and the rate 1/1. 5/2 wasnt too much if it turn out to be shit. She txt me she was in the same hotel as redhed kelly which got me concern thinking they were all the same crew. Got there see to my surprise short and busty MILF blond brazilian. Everything was covered no kissing, for MILF that gave birth was tight. She was easy to talk to, she wanted to go to few touristy spots. She said she will be here afore a few weeks tops.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/newyork/manhattanny/67034607[/URL]

Anyone have any info on this one?

She is in north jersey right now. She might be heading to NYC soon.

[URL]https://www.eros.com/pennsylvania/philadelphia/files/8011082.htm?cat=1[/URL]

Girl in the pics is gorgeous. I'm taking it that's not her.

[QUOTE=WhiteTesla5;5541994]In the area, was going to see dolci but she already had another appointment. Txt her didn't expect much with the fake photos. She sent one real photo which nice double d chest and the rate 1/1. 5/2 wasnt too much if it turn out to be shit. She txt me she was in the same hotel as redhed kelly which got me concern thinking they were all the same crew. Got there see to my surprise short and busty MILF blond brazilian. Everything was covered no kissing, for MILF that gave birth was tight. She was easy to talk to, she wanted to go to few touristy spots. She said she will be here afore a few weeks tops.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/newyork/manhattanny/67034607[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tpsreportflair;5543355]Girl in the pics is gorgeous. I'm taking it that's not her.[/QUOTE]Def not for 200 hr, she would be your cute little MILF. Not fat but not rail thin.

Went through hell to to location, Wanted to see Momo, got Bella instead after being asking.

Chose an HR.

Full GFE experience, great body, b size boobs.

Started off with a great table shower, used her boobs and oil in table shower to rub all over my dick and torso, gave a great BBBJ and I almost busted.

Takes me to the room, deep kissing, daty then she gives me a BBBJ while looking in the mirror.

One issue. She was tight so I couldn't bust in any position especially my favorite cowgirl, she was so tight it was nearly impossible to have sex.

Ended up giving me a BBBJ to bust in mouth.

Taking the D is very important and anyone praising "tightness" in reviews doesn't know what they're talking about, it's not a good thing.

Next time I will try to see who I wanted to, Momo and I will make sure they understand I want to see her specifically.

If I have extra I'll try to do a threesome with Bella because other than tightness she was really fun.

Overall good experience, not being able to take d was disappointing, damage was $$.