Here! I am 63 so it hit a little close to home. What a way to go! That story probably freaked out a lot of coed SBs in the world.
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Here! I am 63 so it hit a little close to home. What a way to go! That story probably freaked out a lot of coed SBs in the world.
Gentlemen,
Like many others here, I'm an out-of-towner who stumbled on this thread by accident. I've read it nearly cover to cover in two days. It's like a trashy, bodice-ripping novel, and I mean that with the utmost respect and admiration.
I haven't seriously considered the SB route before; I stick mainly with pros and strip clubs. But my ATF has professed a desire to leave the state soon (and I'm inclined to believe she's serious) , so I thought I'd research the possibility of trying my hand at being an SD. The information provided here has been tremendous, and I hope I can pay it back with my own intel and insights as time progresses. Thank you, all.
Here's my back story for those interested. My largely-absent landlord takes little notice in my comings and goings and isn't the least bit interested in the family finances, so I have a lot of time on my hands. I live in Metro Detroit, so the diverse population and relatively dire economic times lend themselves to some fine prospects on both the pro and stripper fronts. I've had successful experiences with both, but I tend to try to spend most of my time with my ATF.
Ah, the ATF. After reading these threads, I realized that I more or less back-doored my way into a SD / SB relationship without even knowing it. She is a dancer-that's how we met-so I guess she's not an SB, strictly speaking. I know that she "does what she needs to do" to make money, and I am not delusional enough to believe that I'm the only guy she's inviting home. But in the year we've been seeing each other (yes, almost a year now!) , she has never once brought up money after the very first time. Not once. Taking it outside the club was her idea, on the premise that I would give her what I normally would in the club, and we could spend more time together. Since then, we've had a wonderful relationship. I guess she's what you all would call an UTR pro, in that she does not advertise. But I also would guess she's closer to SB status than most pros, in that the majority of her money comes from only a couple sources. I prefer not to dwell on those particular details.
Anyway, I digress. I took a quick spin through SA today for the first time and was intrigued. In addition to our large and diverse population, we are blessed with a number of small and medium-size universities and colleges, as well as the big one down the road in Ann Arbor. I was especially intrigued by the 19 year old student who posted: "I was a cheerleader for 8 years so I'm very open minded." Haha! I am hopeful I will someday test that theory, even if I don't exactly understand the logic.
Best wishes to all of the regular posters, and thanks again for the great reading.
Regards,
Joe
Welcome to the party Joe. It's been an eye opener for me also and am enjoying every minute. Sounds like you had a nice run going with your ATF. Hopefully it will only get better from here.
Alias
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1403691]Gentlemen,
Like many others here, I'm an out-of-towner who stumbled on this thread by accident. I've read it nearly cover to cover in two days. It's like a trashy, bodice-ripping novel, and I mean that with the utmost respect and admiration.
I haven't seriously considered the SB route before; I stick mainly with pros and strip clubs. But my ATF has professed a desire to leave the state soon (and I'm inclined to believe she's serious) , so I thought I'd research the possibility of trying my hand at being an SD. The information provided here has been tremendous, and I hope I can pay it back with my own intel and insights as time progresses. Thank you, all.
Here's my back story for those interested. My largely-absent landlord takes little notice in my comings and goings and isn't the least bit interested in the family finances, so I have a lot of time on my hands. I live in Metro Detroit, so the diverse population and relatively dire economic times lend themselves to some fine prospects on both the pro and stripper fronts. I've had successful experiences with both, but I tend to try to spend most of my time with my ATF.
Ah, the ATF. After reading these threads, I realized that I more or less back-doored my way into a SD / SB relationship without even knowing it. She is a dancer-that's how we met-so I guess she's not an SB, strictly speaking. I know that she "does what she needs to do" to make money, and I am not delusional enough to believe that I'm the only guy she's inviting home. But in the year we've been seeing each other (yes, almost a year now!) , she has never once brought up money after the very first time. Not once. Taking it outside the club was her idea, on the premise that I would give her what I normally would in the club, and we could spend more time together. Since then, we've had a wonderful relationship. I guess she's what you all would call an UTR pro, in that she does not advertise. But I also would guess she's closer to SB status than most pros, in that the majority of her money comes from only a couple sources. I prefer not to dwell on those particular details.
Anyway, I digress. I took a quick spin through SA today for the first time and was intrigued. In addition to our large and diverse population, we are blessed with a number of small and medium-size universities and colleges, as well as the big one down the road in Ann Arbor. I was especially intrigued by the 19 year old student who posted: "I was a cheerleader for 8 years so I'm very open minded." Haha! I am hopeful I will someday test that theory, even if I don't exactly understand the logic.
Best wishes to all of the regular posters, and thanks again for the great reading.
Regards,
Joe[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the input, all. One thing that's interesting to me is that at least half a dozen girls I emailed my $-for-dinner offer read the email but didn't even reply. I wonder if they thought I was too cheap, or too desperate. Or maybe they were girls who are looking for a more loosely-defined arrangement.
I am coming from the escort side, so I am used to getting what I want with no work at all. So, I don't have the patience yet that some of you guys talk about, and don't find any enjoyment in that "chase". But, I do think I am going to at least reduce my initial offer to. 50 in hopes of not setting expectations too high for future meetings, as suggested.
Three texts on Monday to my 23YO Asian went unanswered and I thought she'd changed her mind, but then I sent one more on Tuesday morning and she wrote back. She was very worried about the law, even though we never even remotely agreed to do anything illegal. I was able to persuade her to come out, though, and we met for the agreed $$$$ for the night. On one hand, that's a lot compared to what's usually reported here, but on the other hand, I've paid that without regret for an hour with an escort before. With her, I got an hour of conversation over dinner plus two hours in bed, and it was more intimate than with an escort, so I'm happy.
She definitely has a little princess in her. We were crossing the street going to the restaurant and she said "Damn, aren't you going to hold my hand? We're crossing a street!" And she stopped at every door and waited for me to open it for her. Kinda cute, but all that could be taken too far. Anyway, I am curious to see what will happen when I try to arrange our next night for our agreed-upon $$/night rate. I hereby pledge to you guys that I will hold the line and tell her bye if she tries to shake me down for more, LOL.
So far no more from the white girl I met and unsuccessfully haggled with last week.
I had let my SA membership lapse as I was planning on focusing my attention on my current babies. Of course I got several messages from hotties from the Ukraine and Malaysia, but I also got two responses from messages I had put out awhile ago. I was intrigued enough to re-up my membership. One of them being an incredibly cute / hot young (20) college student. We've exchanged several messages back and forth and she seems to dig me. My last message to her was an invitation to lunch next week. Haven't heard back yet. My question to why'all is this: She has only one picture up. It's captivating, to say the least. As per my usual technique, I try to get them to go off site to continue our conversation via email. She basically ignored that, but the witty, intelligent banter kept me intrigued. I hope I'm wrong, but I think I might be flirting with some lonely dude! Think about it for a second, anyone can create a profile on the site. When I joined it was as simple as a mouse click stating I was a male! We'll see. Like I said, I really really hope I'm wrong!
The other response I got was from someone local. (I don't like to fish in my own pond, too close to home. My profession puts me in close contact with exactly the type of young lady who might be seeking this.) I sent her a brief message saying hello and that I was interested in getting to know her. The pictures she has public just show her incredibly tight young body. I didn't give her access to my pictures, but told her to message me and would send her a pic. She granted me entry to her private pics and, yep you guessed it, I recognized her. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. It gets better though! About a year ago I went to a bar near my place after being out with some friends. It was dead there. While drinking my beer I couldn't help but make eye contact with the bartender. Young, blonde, sexy and incredibly tight. The perfect little package. She notices me giving her looks. Walks down to my end, stops halfway and grabs a bottle of Tequila and two shot glasses. Mosies over and looks me dead in the eye and introduces herself. Pours us each a shot and we start to talk. It was late, closing time was near. She told me I should stick around and wait in the back of the bar. After shooing the other patrons out she walks back to me lighting up a joint. We sit on the couch smoking and proceed to have an incredible make out session (that I still think about!). It's getting late, so I have to pull myself from her. Reluctantly. I never went back. Too close to home. I'm sure you see where this is going. Same girl. How would why'all proceed with this?
Nite.
[QUOTE=Droo89; 1403922]Reluctantly. I never went back. Too close to home. I'm sure you see where this is going. Same girl. How would why'all proceed with this?
Nite.[/QUOTE]Well I would just take her up on it. Tell her directly you never wanted a local one but for her you make the exception (I prefer local ones)
I have been doing the sb route for a few years now, being involved in a very popular restaurant it does has it advantages. I am often seen with young ones, and the staff has been instructed if they try to get favors because they are my 'friend' they get the reply "Oh since you area his friend you should know that we need $ so you will help us by paying double" will shut them up immediately. At the same time it helps with situations where they know you. Think of my surprise to be landing in Europe, leaving the plane and hearing your name shout by a spinner while walking to customs with your wife. Just a hello. And to the wife." I don't know, must be from the restaurant".
So my 18 yo AA babe is startimg to worry me. First off, my second meeting with her had a few issues that made the sex not nearly as good as expected. I think I could work on that because the basics are there, but it was a little disappointing. She seems to love receiving DATY, which is good because I love that, but is not very giving in return. If there were no other red lights, I could work through that.
But after 3 meetings (twice in the FC) , she is getting way too possessive for my tastes. Asking questions about why I can't see her at this or that time, seems jealous of my wife, and is pretty demanding about wanting to get together more often. I told her early on that once a week was about all I could fit in the schedule. She seems to have forgotten that.
Already has me wondering if I need these extra demands in my life and that's not good.
From the experts here perspective, do I cut my losses now and run like hell or try to work through the arrangement. She is 18, probably a 7-8 in overall looks, and has some real potential, just not sure of what I'm getting into.
Advice?
Alias.
[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1402341]She was everything I expected and more, and we have been txting back and forth for the last few days now. I will keep you all posted on how this goes from here, but my hopes are that this will go LT and continue to get even better as we explore each others hot buttons.
Hottie.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Droo89; 1403922]I hope I'm wrong, but I think I might be flirting with some lonely dude!
Too close to home. I'm sure you see where this is going. Same girl. How would y'all proceed with this?[/QUOTE]Hey Droo!
I think you may be over-analyzing the first situation just a bit. Some of these babies just don't want to move off-site, for whatever reason. I think the site tells them all kinds of horror stories to keep them, and thus us, on SA, but it now reminds me of a very strange situation I had once back in the early days of my SB pursuits.
I met a young baby for coffee, and she was telling me that the site administrators had told her to use outside search tools to check up on us to make sure we weren't criminals or registered sex offenders. Sound advice, I would think, but here's the strange part : she knew my SA "name"! I didn't think much about it at the time, since I assumed it was somewhere on my profile, but later on when I checked, it wasn't. The only way she could have gotten a hold of it is if the site admin had given it to her. Luckily, it was not my real name, or even close, but WTF! That could have been a true train wreck. A further reason for staying hidden.
As for your hot bartender, I have one word - NO! It seems eerily like my obsession with my former employee. The potential for a catastrophe is just too great. My infatuation with that dangerous scenario is what caused me to take a "vacation", if you recall. Forget about this particular little fish, and concentrate on the babies down my way. There are more than enough to go around! All she would need to do is see your picture in the paper, and you are cooked. I'm guessing bartenders don't make a ton of money, but babies who know our true identities sure can!
On other topics:
Who,
Congrats on your little Asian success! You are on your way, my man. As for her princess-like behavior, who cares if it gets you access to the goodies? Open a few doors if that's what it takes. Keep up the good work, and keep up informed.
Joe,
May I welcome you as well. I think a lot of us just stumbled on this thread and had our worlds rocked by it. I know that was the case for me. Keep at it, and feel free to post or pm any questions you have to any one of us. I believe you will find this a sharing and thoughtful brotherhood.
As for me, I am holed up at work the rest of this week and next. Polo has sent me a few dirty texts, just to keep her foremost in Scottie's mind, and ATF has been in almost daily contact as well. I am feeling the distance between us growing smaller and smaller. I hate being such a drama queen about this, but if I don't have to let her go, why should I?
As always, keep up the good work, my brothers, and welcome to one and all!
Scott
glad to see so much activity of late. there are a lot of sds supporting the sugar economy.
re: joesparty congratulations on a successful sd / sb arrangement. you are involved in one without even knowing it.
re: uknowwho
there is a new site started by brandon wade of sa dot com where you participate in an auction for the privilege of going on a date with the girl pictured. the average cost is $25 but can go to $thousands. otherwise i would not do it on your own. why act desperate and set the bar at all. make sure your profile is optimal and your pictures are attractive. as for your asian, we know she can be had, you just need to determine how low she will go. or more appropos, determine how much she is worth to you and make it sound great! a selling point for her is that you are offering your price regularly instead of a one time deal. some sbs would take $800 / month ($200 / week x 4 weeks)
re: droo.
some sbs are playing around and not serious, or (gasp!) might be **** girls just playing at being grownups. i had this identical situation and spent an entire day talking dirty back and forth with a college sophmore who talked about meeting and doing all sorts of great things to my turgid member. but in the end she flaked never to beheard from again.
re: too close to home
explore this girl carefully, she sounds like a gem for you. of course, anyone who knows who you are is a potential source of blackmail. ultimately, any sb you see for over several months will end op knowing most of your i'd info because you will trust and tell her.
re: alias
this sb is 18 and as such is very immature. my initial inclination is to drop her asap. but my little head is talking now and you should have a heart to heart with her explaining the facts of sugar life. if she is unwilling to adhere to the plan that you have laid out end it.
[quote=hernando; 1404188]glad to see so much activity of late. there are a lot of sds supporting the sugar economy.
re: uknowwho
there is a new site started by brandon wade of sa dot com where you participate in an auction for the privilege of going on a date with the girl pictured. the average cost is $25 but can go to $thousands. otherwise i would not do it on your own. why act desperate and set the bar at all. make sure your profile is optimal and your pictures are attractive. as for your asian, we know she can be had, you just need to determine how low she will go. or more appropos, determine how much she is worth to you and make it sound great! a selling point for her is that you are offering your price regularly instead of a one time deal. some sbs would take $800 / month ($200 / week x 4 weeks)
re: droo.
some sbs are playing around and not serious, or (gasp!) might be **** girls just playing at being grownups. i had this identical situation and spent an entire day talking dirty back and forth with a college sophmore who talked about meeting and doing all sorts of great things to my turgid member. but in the end she flaked never to beheard from again.
re: too close to home
explore this girl carefully, she sounds like a gem for you. of course, anyone who knows who you are is a potential source of blackmail. ultimately, any sb you see for over several months will end op knowing most of your i'd info because you will trust and tell her.
re: alias
this sb is 18 and as such is very immature. my initial inclination is to drop her asap. but my little head is talking now and you should have a heart to heart with her explaining the facts of sugar life. if she is unwilling to adhere to the plan that you have laid out end it.[/quote]gentlemen,
once again, our brother nando comes through with succinct, sage advice, with, in my opinion, one exception, his advice to droo.
having seriously contemplated trying to fuck my ex-employee who had a profile on sa, and thinking i could get away with it somehow and not have it come back to bite me, was sheer delirium and hubris of the highest order. this bartender thing has end of the world written all over it. your one-time hot makeout session is easily deniable if she ever were to make contact with the so, but three or four separate incidents, detailed, with dates, and possibly a description of that adorable tattoo you have where no one should be able to see it if you had your pants on, well, that gets a little more difficult to explain away. leave that memory right where it is, and concentrate on other little fish.
sorry nando, it's just how i see this one. it's so easy to believe we are untouchable, until we're not.
to all the newbies, great work. keep it up, and don't forget to write.
scott
I must be a fast learner or incredibly lucky, or both. As noted in my first post yesterday, I spent hours reading here over the last few days. Last night, I created a bare-bones profile on SA and signed up for one month. I studied the site carefully and sent polite messages to a number of attractive ladies. Imagine my surprise when I had three replies within the hour! We traded emails and pics and were quickly off to the races. My responses are now up to seven, including one polite "no, thank you."
I have my first interview with a 27 year old coed tonight. Most likely just drinks. I have two other serious prospects on the line, and one more who is obviously semi-pro. (Her photos are from a strip club dressing room.)
I don't mean to boast here; could this just be beginner's luck? How do I keep my wits while evaluating so many beautify women? It is certain that there may not be the right chemistry with some, while others may price themselves out of the market, so to speak. And I'm sure I've jinxed myself by talking before closing the deal.
But do any of the experts have advice?
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1404255]I must be a fast learner or incredibly lucky, or both. As noted in my first post yesterday, I spent hours reading here over the last few days. Last night, I created a bare-bones profile on SA and signed up for one month. I studied the site carefully and sent polite messages to a number of attractive ladies. Imagine my surprise when I had three replies within the hour! We traded emails and pics and were quickly off to the races. My responses are now up to seven, including one polite "no, thank you."
I have my first interview with a 27 year old coed tonight. Most likely just drinks. I have two other serious prospects on the line, and one more who is obviously semi-pro. (Her photos are from a strip club dressing room.)
I don't mean to boast here; could this just be beginner's luck? How do I keep my wits while evaluating so many beautify women? It is certain that there may not be the right chemistry with some, while others may price themselves out of the market, so to speak. And I'm sure I've jinxed myself by talking before closing the deal.
But do any of the experts have advice?[/QUOTE]Joe,
I know just how you feel. A week ago, you didn't know this world existed, right? And now it's like, holy shit! There are thousands of HYBs out there, and they all want to get fucked! Where will I find the time?
My advice to you is take it slow, work on your game, try and get the first one out of the way as soon as possible, but don't count your panties before they're on the floor. As we all can attest, there are many ways a seemingly perfect situation can go south.
As for beginner's luck, there is certainly some of that. SA lets you search on newest profiles, so I assume there is a way that the babies can see if you are fresh to the scene or not. That has to be as attractive to them as it is to us.
A mistake I made when starting out was to send out dozens of contacts a week, most of which produced a reply. I just could not follow up on all of them, and so I know I let some prime action slip through my fingers just because I got carried away. This is kind of my personality, I will admit. I tend to go all in or not at all.
You also did your homework on the thread, and so benefited from the accumulated successes and failures detailed here. All we ask is that you repay in kind.
Good luck with your M&G tonight. Come prepared in case things move forward rapidly. It has been known to happen.
All the best,
Scott
Thank you all for the advice. I was already leaning towards NOT going any further with the bartender. I just had to hear a voice of reason. Too much to lose. Thank you my friend.
Gentlemen,
Is there something in the air today? First all these fine posts, then this:
After I logged off here a little earlier, I turned on the Batphone just to see if anyone had called, and I see a text from Polo: call me as soon as you get this! I'm pretty sure it can't be [I]really[/I] bad news, but remember there is a husband involved, and we know he drinks, so maybe he hit her, and she took the kids and left, and is now waiting for me to rescue her. Who knows, right?
So it is with a little trepidation that I dial her number, which is slightly exacerbated when she answers in a whisper. I needn't have feared, however. It turns out she is in her bedroom with the door shut and she has something she wants me to listen to, but the kids are home from school so she has to keep it a little quiet. I'm thinking more straight forward dirty talking, but no, instead I hear: "I have my hand between my legs and I'm thinking of you fucking me"! Holy shit, this is hot! Little Scottie and I are boring, middle-aged white dudes. These sorts of things just don't happen to us.
So I'm listening, and I hear her breathing and sighing, and that wonderful rhythmic squishing sound that is unmistakable, and all the while she is whispering a narrative: "those are my fingers in my pussy","this is me licking them", that sort of thing. Now remember, I'm at work, at my desk, with the office all around me, so all I can do at this point is blush and listen. It goes on like this for a few minutes, then I hear her cute little grunt / gasps, and I know she's cum.
Fuck!! Scottie is pounding to be let out, I'm sweating, and all I can say to her out loud is,"well, thanks for that information." Needless to say, I hit the bathroom immediately after I hung up. I always knew those Catholic girls were dirty, dirty little ponies, but as I say, this was a first for me. It may just be that she never had anyone to behave like this with before, or this could be normal for her, but believe me, I'm not complaining! I can't wait until the end of next week, when we have Round Three on the chalk board. She mentioned something about being a very bad girl, so I am guessing there will be some reprimanding to be done. Life, my brothers, is more than good.
Peace,
Scott
Hey guys,
First Kudos to F SCOTT! Thank you for getting me into the game!
Second I actually need your help! I am new to the game, but given that I am a newbie I will be more descriptive.
So I have been messaging a couple of babies,
1. Heather, a 24yr old sexy blonde freak, she is looking for some wild action and sugar. However, I am not sure how much sugar to offer her I don't even know where to begin the negotiations so here is where I need the help of the more experienced folks here. She has never been a baby before, but I have seen some of her freaky side. She does like to.
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2. Mari, she's a 22 5'5 black lady, cute, she likes to go out and dance, fun girl. She has been a sugar baby before, so she is expecting sugar. She told me straight up 1-2k allowance I was like ok. Not sure if this is okay or not, I would offer her 1k but I would like to start a pay as you go at first. I am not sure if there is a try before you buy or not but I would sort of like that! Like a lease with an option to buy!
3. Then there's Demi, blonde new to being a sugar baby, she's 19, Super smoking hot sexy body, for me my favorite baby prospect. She's 5'2 petite and cute. She is looking for someone to help her with her bills and have fun. She is busy with school and her daughter, so she might be a good part time. I wonder if the best approach would be to offer her a pay as we go deal? What do you guys think. Demi has never been a sugar baby, and the problem I have is she is 19 so it might be hard to go to 21+ clubs and fun. What would be a good ball park number?
4. Jennifer, is a 25yr old redhead, she is cute, and have been a sugar baby before. She also has a kid, but oh well. We haven't discussed sugar but I am not sure how much she would want. Any ball park number from you guys would help.
5. Beth, She is 29 a little older. 5'2 as well. She has lovely green eyes and a hard rock body for having 2 kids. She certainly wants a sugar daddy / baby arrangement as she wants to be spoiled. We are in the process of discussing how she wants to get spoiled. But I am not sure. She however doesn't dance, and go out much. Has also never been a sugar baby before so I am not sure if that's a plus or a minus for me, as her expectations could be outrageous!
Anyway, any advice for this rookie will be appreciated! I will post pictures so that you guys can relate the ladies and make your opinions. I'll take all the help I can get, I am new to the game and I think I am inexperienced enough to make rookie mistakes. I would like to know what you guys think and how to be successful! .
I do have a question for all of you, how can you tell that you are her only sugar daddy? And she is not an escort / pro instead of a sugar baby?
Our advice will be greatly appreciated.
I'll report back what happens! I have pictures I can share with Sr. Members only.
K