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My motto never go into battle with out a helmet.I've seen dawn and what a great provider and would hate to lose her.but she's right you can never be too careful when it comes to sex.

Dawn, if I had a nickel for every time a client said, "just to let you I am one of the cleanest and most safe people you will ever meet" or man, I wish we didn't have to use these covers. " I am amazed at how many people out there are willing to be risky for a moment of uncovered pleasue. It truely baffles me why anyone who participates in these "extra recreational activities" would be willing to take such a big risk. I am with you Dawn, nothing is ever worth the risk of going coverless. Going coverless is like a game of Russian roulette in my opinion. If someone decides to no longer see me because of this, then they are not someone I would want to be with anyway because I would view them as too risky.

I always bathe then wash my hands and brush my teeth before meeting anyone. I also re- wash my hands and gargle Listerene before I meet anyone but that part is mainly because I don't want to smell like cigarettes. After reading your post I realized that I take good care of myself before I meet anyone, but I never thought about the client or fingernails. I keep hand sanitizer and Listerene with disposable cups in my bathroom, but that doesn't mean the client is using them and I haven't thought about that til I read your post. From now on, I think I will ask those that I meet to freshen up first with the hand sanitizer in my bathroom.

So, thank you Dawn for the great post and intel.

Sara

HPV is more contagious than a common cold.

You can get this by touching a bathroom door,sitting on a toilet seat, shaking hands etc.

And to be honest, as of right now, there is no test for males for the HPV!

Dr. says , in the next 15-20 yrs, around 97% humans will have it. Pretty scary huh.

I still do not understand why certain people would even consider playing unprotected. It's mind boggling to me. I for one want to live a longggg time!


This hobby should be as safe as it is fun. In the end, it's up to every single one of us to keep it that way.

And by keeping it safe extends past just covering it up. And treating each other with respect.

Us guys as well as the providers put our necks out every time we meet. Let's keep it safe and fun so we can all enjoy.

Norwood Health Commissioner: Syphilis Outbreak in SW Ohio

Guest blog by Pamela Walker-Bauer

I realize that for most of us, discussing sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) is not particularly easy; but as your health commissioner, I am obligated to make the community aware of the dramatic increase in any disease that has serious consequences if left undetected and untreated. In this case, it is not a new disease like H1N1, but rather it is an old foe. Syphilis has reared its ugly head yet again.

The number of Syphilis cases reported in Southwest Ohio has increased greatly over the past two years. There were 56 cases in 2007 and 70 cases in 2008. In 2009, there were 171 cases! Public Health officials have alerted area physicians of the outbreak advising them to be more suspicious and test for this disease. Syphilis is known as “the great imitator” because the signs and symptoms of this disease are similar to many others.

Syphilis is a sexually transmitted disease passed directly from person to person through direct contact with a Syphilis sore. Spread of the bacteria that causes Syphilis occurs during vaginal, anal, or oral sex. Pregnant women can even pass on this disease to their babies. Signs and symptoms of Syphilis occur in a series of stages: primary, secondary, and late.

Symptoms in the primary stage include a sore called chancre-there can be one or several. The sores are usually painless, firm, and round. The sore will heal in 3-6 weeks without treatment. However, if not treated with antibiotics at this stage, the disease will progress to a secondary, more serious stage.

The secondary stage of Syphilis is marked by a rash on one or more areas of the body. There may also be a fever, swollen glands, headaches, fatigue, muscle aches, or weight and hair loss. These symptoms will resolve even if not treated. Again if there is no treatment with antibiotics, the disease progresses to the late stage.

Late stage Syphilis may occur 10-20 years after the initial infection. This stage of the disease can be devastating. Damage occurs to the internal organs including the brain, nerves, eyes, heart, liver, bones and joints. Symptoms include: paralysis, difficulty moving, numbness, blindness, and dementia. Death may even occur from the damage.


If detected early, Syphilis is easily treatable with antibiotics. Physicians can detect the disease with a simple but accurate blood test. Through an STD grant, my colleagues at the Cincinnati Health Department can provide free testing for Syphilis at the Ambrose Clement Health Center, 3101 Burnet Avenue, (513) 357-7301.

Syphilis transmission can be reduced by the use of latex condoms. But the only sure way to prevent the spread of Syphilis is to abstain from sexual contact or have sexual contact only with one long term partner who has been tested and is known not to have the disease.


Coincidentally, April is STD Awareness Month.

Pamela Walker-Bauer, MPH, RS
Norwood City Health Commissioner

I read the previous posts about how local providers are "preventing" the transmission of std's through using hand sanitizer, washing their hands, gargling with Listerine and brushing their teeth before and after meeting a client. FYI, The FACTS are these measures don't work with bloodborne STDs.

Listerine and hand sanitizers contain ethanol alcohol. This "sanitizer" doesn't kill STD's. A one to four ratio of bleach to water solution will destroy bloodborne STDS. Basic first aid training will teach you this.

The only thing gargling with Listerine does is reduce gum disease and plague. The truth is that brushing your teeth actually increases the chance of you transmitting a bloodborne STD. The reason is that the brushing may cause your gums to bleed. Hence an STD may enter or exit your bloodstream through your bleeding gums.

A visit to the website of the Center for Disease Control would be your best source for accurate prevention methods. Washing after sexual activity with soap and water, hand sanitizer, or using Listerine doesn't protect you from the spread of an STD.

You don't even have to have symptoms to spread herpes or other STD's. A provider or client could have a cut, abrasion, or sore inside their mouth, and transmit any number of STD's through oral contact. If a provider and monger kiss, they are opening themselves up to possibly spreading an STD. If they give and receive oral sex without the use of a condom or latex dental dam (for DATY), they are exposing themselves to the transmission of an STD.

I'm curious, how many providers and mongers on here use dental dams for DATY?

I have used this forum in the past to find a provider. I'm more concerned lately with who to avoid. And my concern deals with the mongers. For example, there is a senior monger on here who has reported being with 40-50 different escorts during the past year. I'm stirring clear of any providers this guy has used. Many STD's have symptoms that are subtle and may be hidden. Who knows what he has contracted and passed onto escorts and the other mongers who use them.

There's another monger on here that has met most of his providers off the chatlines or CL or BP. His reports of the 20 providers he's been been have him often placed in risky situations where his life could have been endangered. I see that he has recently started hooking up with the more "reputable escorts" on here. Who knows what he's sharing with those escorts and their clients?

I'm not criticizing these mongers or escorts. I'm just saying be aware of the facts in regards to protecting yourself against the spread of STD's.

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Not only are there the dangers already discussed, but this can be very disconcerting.

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Thanks for the info Luvsmassage. Your info on how brushing teeth prior to visits may not be the best idea was very helpful. I am aware that listerene and handsanitizer cannot kill an std but it is a form of sanitary method. I will look into the website you mentioned for more information to stay as safe as possible.

Thanks for info,

Sara aka Tonguetwister

Has and one seen Natalie on Backpage works out of NKY ft wright area is she legit [url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/BodyRubs/natalie-the-girl-next-door-31/2173491[/url]

She says her rate is 1.5 plus tip I hate it when they always ask for a tip like their starving

[QUOTE=Marmon1913]Has and one seen Natalie on Backpage works out of NKY ft wright area is she legit [url]http://cincinnati.backpage.com/BodyRubs/natalie-the-girl-next-door-31/2173491[/url]

She says her rate is 1.5 plus tip I hate it when they always ask for a tip like their starving[/QUOTE]
I've never tipped a provider unless it was because I didn't have exact change. I've also never tipped my dentist, my realtor or the guys who installed my carpet.

I might be the only one who feels this way but when someone quotes you a price for a service I think it is implicit in the quote that the person or company is going put forth his or her best effort to make sure you're happy.

Besides, asking for a tip is gauche. I will absolutely never go see a girl who asks for a tip in her ad.

Please don't read this wrong. I'm not advocating that other guys stop tipping. If it works for you then tip away.

[QUOTE=Stimulus]I've never tipped a provider unless it was because I didn't have exact change. I've also never tipped my dentist, my realtor or the guys who installed my carpet.[/quote]There's no real rhyme or reason for who to tip or not, but there's not much reason to extend tipping to this area, or to dentists or carpet installers. Once or twice because I really liked the girl or really felt like she needed/deserved it.

I have given some extra. Even then, kind of regretted it, because if you repeat, then it's expected. I don't really bargain for lower rates often, but I also don't tip.

First of all stimulus, I totally agree with you. Now I have been tipping my street girls, because I know it gives them incentive to do a better job, but it is really included in what I am willing to pay to begin with. I mean if I tip her 5 bucks, then the deal was for 20, and I was willing to max at 25-30 to begin with. And if 30 is the price I tell them that the 30 had the tip in it, because I pay no more than 25. And in the same phrase if the cost is 20, then I give a 5 buck tip, after I have placed the 20 in her hand. This is so it always looks like a gift/tip. And I have tipped people in other service, especially when they go above and beyond the call of duty. Not everyone does that.

Here is what I need to know?:

While playing our Thursday poker game, a friend was telling me about an SW we all know who the police tried a sting on, but it did not go off as planned. They failed to get her on tape accepting any money or agreeing to anything. But it turned out the same cop had busted her years ago for soliciting and she did not immediately recon him, but he did her.

Anyway he tried to arrest her but due to lack of evidence, he had to let her go, but give her a ticket for court instead.

After going to court, they had no evidence the officer said she accepted $50, for service, yet they never produced the money with her prints on it. I thought that to be strange since some type of proof that the whole crime happened instead of strictly the word of the officer.

She could not afford a lawyer, and it wasn't major enough for a public defender. Did you hear what the county is doing with them. The county is ripping out the money the state has given the public defenders office for the public, and if using it for the prosecutors office. They are about to be sued over it.

How much evidence does an officer need to get a conviction. He should not be able to do this on just his word alone. It was appear that the officer lied in court, about the whole deal, because at the time of the arrest he was made to let her go because they did not have her recorded doing anything other than getting in the car, and no money was ever transferred, or talk about.

I would bet if she had a half-ass just pass the bar attorney, they would have gotten her off from that charge. But that is always the case when money matters in the courtroom/legal system.

Alright experts what is the deal on this/her situation?

[QUOTE=Stimulus]I've never tipped a provider unless it was because I didn't have exact change. I've also never tipped my dentist, my realtor or the guys who installed my carpet.

I might be the only one who feels this way but when someone quotes you a price for a service I think it is implicit in the quote that the person or company is going put forth his or her best effort to make sure you're happy.

Besides, asking for a tip is gauche. I will absolutely never go see a girl who asks for a tip in her ad.

Please don't read this wrong. I'm not advocating that other guys stop tipping. If it works for you then tip away.[/QUOTE]

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I must say that I have to agree with Stimulus on this particular issue. The whole tipping thing just adds more stress and tension to an already volatile situation. (I am assuming we are referring to first time hook ups, why would there be any need for tipping on subsequent meetings? You already know the cost of the service provided including tip by then. And if you are still tipping after the first meeting you really need to re-evaluate how you are operating and who you are operating with!) The provider has her LEO radar on full alert! The client has his LEO and rip-off antenna fully extended and with all of that going on both parties are worrying about services provided and how much to tip for those extras! I don't see how providers that are legit and new clients ever get past the first meeting? My personal experience has shown me that the subsequent meetings always are better than the first. With all of the tension and stress removed it allows for both parties to relax and work towards mutual fulfillment. If you didn't like the person/experience the first time (Provider and/or client) why would you agree to go back. And if you agree to a second, third or fourth meeting why wouldn't both parties try and maximize their time with pleasure and enjoyment. I have received many calls from providers that I have seen on a regular basis, telling me someone asked about providing a particular service that she was not familiar with or something she seen or heard about and wanted to try with me first. The trust we established from multiple sessions enabled her to be open with me about new things. And besides that? Did you see my screen name? LOL! It is accurate!

If the provider will not quote me an exact price for the services I am looking for I will look elsewhere. I trust her to be a good judge as to what she feels her skills are worth on the open market and I am very sure that I know full well if I got my money's worth.

And as for the whole theory of tipping is concerned? Tipping is a gratuity (As in gracious for exemplary service) for work performed beyond the expected product. When has a provider soliciting for tips ever waited until the service was provided? Always seems to be asked for in advance correct? This really really smells of bait and switch tactics. Which by the way is illegal in every day commerce? If is illegal there why would you knowingly place yourself in a situation where you are subject to that kind of abuse when you know that if it happens you really do not have a reasonable option for recourse? Sounds to me like she is asking for you to be gracious that she is taking your money from you rather than you rewarding her for exemplary services that have been provided.

If we the consumer do our homework here and elsewhere (Senior members? How many times have we seen newbie’s post their rip-offs here when the warnings were already posted in previous threads?) before jumping at the next pretty picture that pops up on the net we would avoid rip-off tip artist and reward the quality providers with our business and eventually see the tipping rip-off ads and providers disappear for the most part. Thus saving us all time, money and grief. Although this would cut down on our conversation options and reduce our opportunities to have a good laugh now and then. LOL!

Just my opinion, no harm intended to anyone in particular. So please don't blast me personally. If your opinion differs I am sure we are all happy to take it under advisement, as I hope you do mine.

Damn guys, Sorry for the long post didn’t mean to go on and on but it just started to flow and I didn’t realize how long it had gotten. Hmmm? Maybe that’s why I have gotten blasted in the past? LOL! Oh well, sorry one last time.

Happy Hunting and be Safe!



[QUOTE=Stimulus]I've never tipped a provider unless it was because I didn't have exact change. I've also never tipped my dentist, my realtor or the guys who installed my carpet.

I might be the only one who feels this way but when someone quotes you a price for a service I think it is implicit in the quote that the person or company is going put forth his or her best effort to make sure you're happy.

Besides, asking for a tip is gauche. I will absolutely never go see a girl who asks for a tip in her ad.

Please don't read this wrong. I'm not advocating that other guys stop tipping. If it works for you then tip away.[/QUOTE]

wow...away a month, home 3 days and assman leave, returns ???
things calming down on the board I hope. Be gone another 2 weeks then hopefully home to partake again for awhile
Be safe
HM

That is why many, like myself are hanging out on the backstage. Much calmer back here.

I only post general commentary now with the occassional report for someone else. Everything else I do by PM. Not as much fun but absolutely a lot less drama and no flame throwers going off.

[QUOTE=Handiman66]wow...away a month, home 3 days and assman leave, returns ???
things calming down on the board I hope. Be gone another 2 weeks then hopefully home to partake again for awhile
Be safe
HM[/QUOTE]

Hello All,

I want to start out by commending Whodeyman for stepping out from the backstage and putting his opinions out on the board. I truly believe this board is a much better venue to communicate information when the well seasoned senior members participate openly and without the dread of an impending drama blow up when a report is posted.

I think that we can get back to that level of communication some day if we can just get everyone to understand that it is just one persons opinion of a level of service. All hobbyist and all providers are not going to click every time. When we all get to the point of accepting this and not flaming because we didn't seem to have the same great time as another member here I think we will all be better for it. I know that I personally read all of the post but for the most part I only truly depend on my close circle of friends. If a post outside of the circle that appears appealing we will all discuss the merits of it and make a decision from there. Sometimes one of us will TOFTT and other times we will wait and see. But it is always great to get the information.

Also, my observations only mind you, but it seems the senior members are the majority of my back stage comrades. These are the very people that have been here the longest, have the most experience both positive and regarding rip-offs and at one time seemed the most giving in the information that they had to share.

I for one know that I would never have been as successful in the hobby without the invaluable information that I have gained from a multitude of senior members here. The list of these members is too large to list and I am grateful to all of them, Thank You ALL!

Many of us are now only communicating by PM. In my opinion we are not the ones suffering it is the new comers and the providers that are suffering. The only ones profiting from this problem are the rip-off girls. The new comers are not gaining the valuable information these senior members have to offer and it is costing them to lose some of their hard earner money. All Hail the Assman for paying one back for us. LOL! You are the man dude! The quality providers are not getting the attention and hyperbolae they so richly deserve. If we want to keep them around then we need to keep them busy. But not to busy. LOL! Assman and Whodey this might be directed at you LOL!

We were all new at one time and I would think that all of us have previous hobbyist to thank for saving us all time, money and legal issues. I for one am going to begin to slowly step back out on stage and make my reports public again in the near future. I feel that I do owe this board and the senior members that helped me a debt of gratitude. I just hope that others will follow and begin to make this board great again.

A great communication board is a benefit to all of us. I am going to try and live by one of the most endeared phases of golf etiquette. It just came to me while I was golfing yesterday and Whodey was torching my cell with his details of Mallory.

Leave the course better than you found it. Don't just repair your ball mark, repair one more every time. Don't just replace your divot, replace one more every time. I am going to try to do my part to payback this board by leaving it a better place when I decide to leave than it was when I came. This is a huge challenge in my opinion as this board was very special when I joined. Hopefully others will come help me as I know that I am not up to the challenge all by my lonesome. So, come on guys lets get this place hopping again in the right way LOL! The new guys and the quality providers deserve it and we all owe it.


Good Luck and Happy Hunting.


Be Safe,

KG

P.S. KG is ducking and covering right now in anticipation of the impending Flame throwers being fired up. LOL!