Massage Parlor Reports

Kimchi,

It's quite sad to hear harsh sentences handed down to perpetrators of "victimless" crimes.

It's laughable to see how porous American borders are and the constant political foreplay on border security. Unfortunately, money is the primary motivator for facilitators and I wonder if these people care who they bring across; just Koreans or whoever has the cash. If it's the ladder, then we're fucked sideways.

I personally know of two Mamasan involved. They paid a hefty lawyer's fees and now back to work. One of them was spotted by a friend in the Metro circuit.

Whatever happened to the money guys and taxis? What kind of sentences did they get? I heard they were remanded.

In terms of fast track green card, I heard from a former Downtown diva identifying Jay to be among those who testified. However, her green card was limited to two years. After that, she'll need to secure a new green card using other means or risk deportation. Last I heard, she is now in LA.

Does this ring true with you?

Ian

[QUOTE=Kimchi]Just a sad reminder that the sentencing date for all the owners from last years black Wednesday is next week. Most of the owners will get 12 - 18 months, pay fines and in at least a couple cases get deported after serving their time. A few of the working girls who testified have now been put on the fast track for green cards, most deported. Kind of interesting that a couple who had been deported are back working in LA and Texas. Makes you wonder if they can get in who else can? Just my most likely last intel for 12 - 18 months.[/QUOTE]

Removed.,,,,,

Newbie here! have been reading posts for a few days now, still trying to figure out where some of this places are, what really surprises me is that no-one mentioned that place Magical Touch in Old Bridge Rd., PWC. they advertise heavily on CL and is one of the worst places i've seen in a long time!

The place smells like cooking all the time, (and I dont mind Chinese food) and the average age is probably 50, I bet they are all AARP members!

The place in Rt. 1, by Occoquan rd. is a bit better but not the young pretty ones I crave.

My all time fav. suddently closed, and I'm like starting to get desperate, my Yellow fever getting out of control.

All I have for now, need to bury my worm this week, any suggestions?, I'll report back

It had been a long time since I was with a woman, so I stopped by the door place. Drew Coco and here's her stats:

breasts: small, b/c cup, unenhanced (thank god)
age: circa 40
face: (given her likely age) 7.5
body: (with the above proviso) 8.0

Said that I had seen Kay (altho I had not); the TS was just alright. Not quite enough cleansing of mianus and the pole. So I started thinking "well, this may suck".

Upon returning to the room, a massage begand and, again, I would say that it was mediocre but she was trying. Then, things improved as she rubbed her body against mine and began speaking to minaus though I had her stop that cuz that's not my thang. .

Proceeded to stroke my pole along with DATY and I gotta say this was the longest and most satisfying one I have had in a while. The landscape was beautiful and showed little wear and tear while the sounds emenating from above were not overdone (as sometimes occurs) and pleasing. If DATY is your thing, Coco like it and she shows it with muscle clamping and releasing on any digital exploration mmmmm

Also appreciated her tongue extension in various areas

Proceeded to CBBJ which was ok but technique not the best and I usually don't get into CBBJ unless it's extremely skillfully done but, again, she was at least trying

By this time, nevertheless, I was close to exploding so she saddled up and gently rode that horse. And I mean gently with feeling and sensuousness. Until well, you know

Also, she's very nice, no rushing whatsoever

Here's the scoreboard gents:

TS: 6
Massagi: 6
CBBJ: 7
DATY: 8.5
CG: 8.5

I'd return

Overall: 8

Why is there such a lack of privacy for these girls/owners, whatever?

It's kind of disturbing that these girls are unable to separate their professional and personal lives due to people posting everything about them, whether it be their whereabouts, their sentencings, etc.

How would we johns feel if our personal information was constantly posted to a site dedicated to the sex industry?

"Yeah, this guy, who frequents Supra and Gold, is named blah blah and he's married to blah blah and he works at blah blah and he lives in blah blah"

I'd love to see what the reactions would be if somebody posted the personal information of Seven Eleven and Ian.

[QUOTE=Rejected Monke][Color=Green]Why is there such a lack of privacy for these girls/owners, whatever?... How would we johns feel if our personal information was constantly posted to a site dedicated to the sex industry?... "[I]Yeah, this guy, who frequents Supra and Gold, is named blah blah and he's married to blah blah and he works at blah blah and he lives in blah blah[/I]"[/Color][/QUOTE]What makes you think they [B]DON'T[/B] have their own form of information exchange on the 'Net? It's easy enough to use credit card or license plate info to get some of that. And, it's also easy enough to hire a PI to follow a customer as he departs. (Have you ever looked behind yourself as you walked to your car or drove away?)

Something to consider, perhaps.

HeyDB, I might as well point this out before anyone else flames the hell out of you... No one mentioned MT or the places in PWC because that is VA and this is the DC board. Try looking in VA, NOVA. You will find these places there.

AS for finding the places in DC, I am a VA guy and I RTFF'd about 8 pages back and found a wealth of info. Once I establish some credentials I might find some of the more cryptic spots mentioned but I am keeping busy for now!!

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Dune Buggy]Newbie here! have been reading posts for a few days now, still trying to figure out where some of this places are, what really surprises me is that no-one mentioned that place Magical Touch in Old Bridge Rd., PWC. they advertise heavily on CL and is one of the worst places i've seen in a long time!

The place smells like cooking all the time, (and I dont mind Chinese food) and the average age is probably 50, I bet they are all AARP members!

The place in Rt. 1, by Occoquan rd. is a bit better but not the young pretty ones I crave.

My all time fav. suddently closed, and I'm like starting to get desperate, my Yellow fever getting out of control.

All I have for now, need to bury my worm this week, any suggestions?, I'll report back[/QUOTE]

Monke,

First, touché! Second, I am surprised that you even raised such an unintelligible point. In the game of life, we must often live with the consequences of our choices.

It would be utterly horrible if someone divulge my identity and my spa activities. My career would certainly be over, not to mention the bad publicity for my boss. His public career would certainly be over as well. Although I don't know Seven Eleven's personal circumstances, I imaging it would be as equally damaging.

However if I am forewarned with such consequences, I would certainly rethink my approach to achieve sexual satisfaction. I would certainly have sex with my beautiful wife a lot more or have left overs from my boss's encounters. For example, the fear of being entangled with LE have successfully persuaded me from patronizing NOVA locations.

Nonetheless, it is absolutely imperative that we do not allow ourselves to think that we are in someway damaging their lives. Regardless of how insensitive it may sounds, these ladies have chosen to go down this road for variety of reasons, and like public figures or celebrities, they're in it for different reasons. Believe me when I say, they could careless of the delusional accounts on this and other forum as some of the accounts on this forum makes for terrific fiction.

Yes, we can certainly withhold certain information about the ladies and spa owners. Like celebrities, all they need to do is remove themselves from the spotlight. However, do you really think that one Annie is the same as another Annie, although they both work at the same location at different times? That's why they all have the colorful names we love so much.

In the end, who can really separate the facts from fictions? That is, who can, without doubt, provide verifiable information about these individuals (except USA Government). It's all rumors and hearsay, unless it inked on the pages of a major news publication.

Ian

[QUOTE=Rejected Monke]Why is there such a lack of privacy for these girls/owners, whatever?

It's kind of disturbing that these girls are unable to separate their professional and personal lives due to people posting everything about them, whether it be their whereabouts, their sentencings, etc.

How would we johns feel if our personal information was constantly posted to a site dedicated to the sex industry?

"Yeah, this guy, who frequents Supra and Gold, is named blah blah and he's married to blah blah and he works at blah blah and he lives in blah blah"

I'd love to see what the reactions would be if somebody posted the personal information of Seven Eleven and Ian.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Roamin Roman]What makes you think they [B]DON'T[/B] have their own form of information exchange on the 'Net? It's easy enough to use credit card or license plate info to get some of that. And, it's also easy enough to hire a PI to follow a customer as he departs. (Have you ever looked behind yourself as you walked to your car or drove away?)

Something to consider, perhaps.

[B][Color=DarkBlue][Size=4]R::R[/Size][/Color][/B][/QUOTE]

While it's possible, I really doubt most of us have to really worry about any of these events occurring from a visit to the massage parlor.

[quote=Ian Dokkaebi]
Monke,

First, touché! Second, I am surprised that you even raised such an unintelligible point. In the game of life, we must often live with the consequences of our choices.

It would be utterly horrible if someone divulge my identity and my spa activities. My career would certainly be over, not to mention the bad publicity for my boss. His public career would certainly be over as well. Although I don't know Seven Eleven's personal circumstances, I imaging it would be as equally damaging.

However if I am forewarned with such consequences, I would certainly rethink my approach to achieve sexual satisfaction. I would certainly have sex with my beautiful wife a lot more or have left overs from my boss's encounters. For example, the fear of being entangled with LE have successfully persuaded me from patronizing NOVA locations.

Nonetheless, it is absolutely imperative that we do not allow ourselves to think that we are in someway damaging their lives.
[/quote]

I hope you aren't saying that just because these girls work in such establishments that their PERSONAL lives (i.e. what they do outside of the workplace) need to be posted on this forum?

Despite your denial, yes, it is considered damaging someone's life if you make their life difficult. Throwing accusations around can be considered slander.

And how exactly is working at a massage parlor an act of putting their personal lives in the spotlight? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What they do on the job should be put in the spotlight. You, of all people, should know that.

Maybe Kimchi should follow through with his suggestion and post your picture so we can have great conversation about it, while at the same time you can personally be linked to this site forever. Wouldn't that be ironic. After all the attention-starved posts you've submitted to this forum, you'd finally be in the spotlight yourself.

2nd the motion.

[QUOTE=Rejected Monke] Maybe Kimchi should follow through with his suggestion and post your picture so we can have great conversation about it, while at the same time you can personally be linked to this site forever. Wouldn't that be ironic. After all the attention-starved posts you've submitted to this forum, you'd finally be in the spotlight yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ian Dokkaebi]In the end, who can really separate the facts from fictions? That is, who can, without doubt, provide verifiable information about these individuals (except USA Government). It's all rumors and hearsay, unless it inked on the pages of a major news publication.[/QUOTE]

In my experience, discretion and privacy go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.

Please tell me that you don't believe everything they write in the papers...just because it's put in print doesn't make it true.

Monke,

I thought the indoctrination period has since passed. Nonetheless, I must, once again, draw my dusty sword and stand guard. Did I forget to mention that I love debates? Only through passionate debate, we can discover who we really are.

[QUOTE=Rejected Monke] I hope you aren't saying that just because these girls work in such establishments that their PERSONAL lives (i.e. what they do outside of the workplace) need to be posted on this forum? [/QUOTE]
As mongers, we all know the rules. Get caught, go to jail and suffer the negative publicity. But as mongers, we must hold ourselves to higher ethical guidelines. Such moral boundaries would prevent us from revealing a working girl's true identity, if we are privileged to learn it at first. At least that's true in my case, as hell will need to freeze over first, before I will reveal a single name or phone number.

However, when I am sitting in an 8’x10’ interrogation room below the swinging overhead lights, I will use my knowledge of this industry and its participants to my advantage. What can I say; self preservation supersedes all other needs.

Will you, or anyone for that matter, be willing to provide credible intelligence on any single individual and her activities outside of work, including her real name? Would you really want to? I don’t see any benefits in doing so, and the content of this forum is, in the end, fiction at its best.

Despite how these ladies have wronged us in the past, I firmly believe that we would not stoop to such level.

Only a small, extremely limited, portion of this forum can identify a working girl outside her professional environment. From the eccentric names they use to the excessive make up they wear, all are effectively used to mask their true identity and offers the protective blanket of deniability. Although I have seen one in the past who kept in contact with all her regulars, that’s an isolated case.

If you were involved with a working girl, how would you bring up such topic? "Hey, honey. I heard your friend Kay swallows," or "I heard she is married to so and so. Don't they live in so and so?" I think we are much more refined than that. How would your special someone respond? I believe you risk having argument, of even ending your relationship, for allowing such words to sputter from your mouth.

[QUOTE]Despite your denial, yes, it is considered damaging someone's life if you make their life difficult. Throwing accusations around can be considered slander. [/QUOTE]
Allow me to refresh your memory on tort law: Defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed medium.

In other words, if false statements are made about a working girl, which has in someway affected her ability to pursue her individual sense of happiness, then it’s slander. Based on this definition and if we hold their working names to be their only identifying attribute, who, on this board, think they possess such power? I certainly don't. I would argue further that these ladies would have some sense of exultation from the virtual attention we give them.

For illustrative purposes, if one were to fabricate the following statement "[insert working name] is indeed [insert real name] currently residing at [insert location] and married to [insert real husband name]. She suffers from [insert incurable disease]." Consequently, her husband divorces her because he checks this forum. That, my esteem critic, would constitute as slander.

Under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, as set forth by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1964 Case, New York Times v Sullivan, where a public figure attempts to bring an action for defamation, the public figure must prove an additional element: That the statement was made with "actual malice," or the intent to harm. Who here nurtures such intent? I certainly don’t, for I want this industry to grow (better selections for us all).

[QUOTE] And how exactly is working at a massage parlor an act of putting their personal lives in the spotlight? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What they do on the job should be put in the spotlight. You, of all people, should know that. [/QUOTE]
Celebrities or famous individuals are elevated for variety of reasons. In other words, these renown individuals are the products of societal admiration often caused by their talents, attractiveness, wealth, etc. My comments regarding this point may be dumb; however, it does not hold a light to your feebleminded retort.

Let’s see, how exactly working at a massage parlor constitutes as notoriety? Simply scroll through the pages of this forum; which girl gives the best BJ, which girl likes DATY, which one takes you to Greek, and which one sticks her finger up your ass. It’s all there. Although these individuals are not in the societal spotlight, they are in our spotlight as we often reminisce our “All Time Favorites,” and the things they did to us or allow us to do to them.

Like Michael Vick, these girls are in the entertainment business. Based on your argument, you must not know of Vick’s current scandal. After all, he is a just football player. How exactly is playing football an act of putting his personal life in the spotlight? So what if he kills dog for fun; that’s his business, and it should not concern us. If the rest of the world shares your mindset, then the need to surpass our own limitations to rise to greatness would simply disappear. What will the gifted do with their god-given talents, and what will the world do without them?

Being famous, whether for giving the best head or throwing the most complete passes, one accepts the responsibilities and consequences of prominence, and the most pivotal consequence of all is the constant struggle to live under the glaring spotlight.

[QUOTE] Maybe Kimchi should follow through with his suggestion and post your picture so we can have great conversation about it, while at the same time you can personally be linked to this site forever. Wouldn't that be ironic[?] After all the attention-starved posts you've submitted to this forum, you'd finally be in the spotlight yourself.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you’ve forgotten, Kimchi said he will post my picture in the Spas, as no one here knows who I am. However, if my picture were to be placed here, then it’s just a consequence of the choices I’ve made. I have no one else to blame but me.

Do you really think that such immoral and unethical behavior will be tolerated (not to mention that it would violate Mr. Jackson's guidelines)? If we resort to such cowardly acts, then the reputations and identities of all who pay for services at AMP will be at risk. This means that we all must be prepared to stop patronizing the AMPs, if we choose to cross each other.

Instead, we, as a group, should mourn when a fellow monger is caught, give them advice, and guide them through their legal troubles. Some of you, A John for example, can certainly elaborate on this point. Think of it as monger’s unspoken etiquette.

You, of all people, should know that money brings an unlimited supply of resources, regardless of legality. You would be amazed to know what’s out there for the choosing. Unfortunately, I don’t have much faith in PIs. The only thing that separates us from them is access to LexisNexis.

My words are, indeed, linked to this site forever. However, I alone am the guardian of that fact and it will die with me.

The contents of my posts indicate a strong sense of passion and engagement in my interests, far from “attention-starved,” as you’ve categorized them to be. Nonetheless, I’ve addressed this point in the past and will not repeat myself. Feel free to discover them at your own leisure.

I am not a stranger to being under the spotlight. Consequently, I don’t like it. It is really hot when the lights shine on you. The need to constantly maintain a thick and artificial decorum is simply unbearable.

Like many of you, I’m lucky in that I have some inside knowledge of this subculture. I have in the past shared them with this board; however, I have since changed my views on that.

It dawn on me recently during another debate with an individual in this industry, one little piece of information fallen into the wrong hands could have catastrophic consequences to this volatile hobby. Remember Black Wednesday, that’s the consequence of one individual confiding in who he thought, was a friend.

In the past couple of weeks, I have withheld information including all the encounters I was privileged to, the area’s closings, and management changes as I venture to AMPs at least twice a week.

The board’s collective knowledge far exceeds mine in all regards, and anything that I may contribute is simply re-stating the facts. I, like all who contributed to this board, have yet to put any working girl's identity at risk.

However, I am very intrigued to ascertain your true motivations for these attacks on my pieces. Perhaps, I have spoken ill about your special someone or are you that naive to believe that revealing an alias might prevent her from living her life to the fullest?

Ian

PS: Are you personally affected by the people who testified? How did you know I wasn't? Just because I don't come crying to the board doesn't mean I was personally affected by the events that lead to Black Wednesday.

PPS: Sorry for the length, I am somewhat thorough.

[QUOTE=Jake Jj 1492]In my experience, discretion and privacy go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.

Please tell me that you don't believe everything they write in the papers...just because it's put in print doesn't make it true.[/QUOTE]

You're right, discretion goes hand in hand with privacy. Nonetheless the level of discretion varies from one person to the next. I thought my posts were appropriately censored. It appears that wasn't the overall consensus.

I don't believe a single news source; I would formulate my own conclusions after reviewing several news sources. However, with the news industry being overrun by conglomerates, it's very difficult to distinguish hidden agendas from real news.

On the other hand, when I see the headline "8 People Arrested for Prostitution in a Local Massage Parlor, " I certainly believe it as the need to fabricate such information yields no added value (maybe for the editor's wicked satisfaction).

Ian

I have been thinking about this for some time, and I wonder if my fellow mongers have an opinion. It seems like a silly thing, which is why I haven't raised it before. Perhaps that will keep the flames to a minimum.

In an AMP, I really enjoy the HJ more than the FS. I like a good bbbj too, but FS just doesn't do it for me as much. Well, then you might say, "you're in luck, because HJ is cheaper". But here's the discussion point. Along with the HJ, I like the full attention, body to body, mouth, other parts, etc. So I want the full treatment, but I am pretty happy if she finishes it manually.

When I have just paid the HJ price, I have often gotten very mediocre, disinterested service, particularly in recent years. it seems like 5 years ago, the HJ was a perfectly acceptable conclusion.

Yes, I can ask her to do it that way, and I have, but it always seems like a strange request and she doesn't understand it.

Maybe I don't even have a question here, but I wonder if other mongers have any similar experience with this issue and if there is a good approach that you could share.

Thanks much.

B.

[QUOTE=Bseeks]When I have just paid the HJ price, I have often gotten very mediocre, disinterested service, particularly in recent years. it seems like 5 years ago, the HJ was a perfectly acceptable conclusion.

B.[/QUOTE]I prefer f/s,but if I wanted a HJ with a personal touch(no pun intended) I'd offer more than just a HJ donation.