Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4997630]For those who've been mongering for a while. Do you ever get bored with the hobby? I appear to be in such a phase now. [/QUOTE]I don't live in the hobby. I merely vacation there. As I have stated before, my involvement in the hobby is to indulge a fantasy. I do so for an hour or two, then go back to the reality I live. There I have other passions and interests that challenge, amuse, bemuse, and yes, frustrate me. But it is precisely in the mundane that I find my mind stirring at the thought of my next monger encounter.

Ever read, "The paradox of hedonism"? There, it discusses the question of, "if a pleasure remains, does it remain a pleasure? Perhaps finding something else that demands your time and attention would give you a new appreciation for the little hobby vacations you take.

A huge factor being overlooked here is price. I have money, I'm not ugly (not Clooney or anything but you know), I can get and have had more than my fair share of hot chicks. I'm getting them now on AM (28-40 range though). But I cannot justify paying $350-$500 to get laid. I just can't -Maybe In a few years I will. And that's the cost for most of the young hotties. I'm inclined to believe there's less psychology behind it; it's more about economics. I have to believe many mongers just can't justify the cost though. Period.

Time is another factor. The sugarbaby game seems to be an enormous investment of time. I'm too busy and can't be taking young girls out in public to dinner and shit.

[QUOTE=PaiMei;4998808]A huge factor being overlooked here is price. I have money, I'm not ugly (not Clooney or anything but you know), I can get and have had more than my fair share of hot chicks. I'm getting them now on AM (28-40 range though). But I cannot justify paying $350-$500 to get laid. I just can't -Maybe In a few years I will. And that's the cost for most of the young hotties. I'm inclined to believe there's less psychology behind it; it's more about economics. I have to believe many mongers just can't justify the cost though. Period.

Time is another factor. The sugarbaby game seems to be an enormous investment of time. I'm too busy and can't be taking young girls out in public to dinner and shit.[/QUOTE]What are the 3 most important things when considering value in real estate? "LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The current prices are definitely driven by economics, but not in the way of need. It has more to do of WHERE they are advertising. When the USA Classifieds were up, the prices set there were more reasonable because those providers who posted there also had access to the board. They could read what was being said, and the prices set by the popular ladies became the de facto "standard rate" with plusses and minuses given for youth, hotness, personality and quality of service. There was feedback that could be read and it functioned as Yelp did. New incoming girls could see what the standard rate was, and adjust their own pricing accordingly. Those that were overcharging could / would read comments about their rates and they were more inclined to make adjustments.

Nowadays, USA Classifieds is gone, and the new girls entering the biz are only seeing the rates set by their competition on Tryst and Eros, and Slixa, and they think that if Provider1 is charging $$ then they should also be charging $$ Then someone hotter comes along and decides to add a couple of $$ to that because, after all, if some ugly skank can charge $$ then surely they would be worth $$ a session. Newer girls comes along, sees the the 6 benjamins and before you know it, you got a 150/ hr girls asking 4 X what the market will actually bear.

Case in point, this newer Tryst poster: [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sexxijessii[/URL] She is asking for 5 benjamins per hour. Never met her, and I certainly don't remember any reviews, so based solely on what I can see in the ad, there is no way anyone would part with a Mercedes car payment for an hour with her.

Location, location, location.

P.S.-- Looking at the ads, I think Maci Monroe is priced appropriately. She is reviewed, mostly positive with the negatives being her lack of respect for time and punctuality, and she does have a pleasing look. So, I am using her as my baseline of gauging rate vs. Return.

[QUOTE=PaiMei;4998808]A huge factor being overlooked here is price. I have money, I'm not ugly (not Clooney or anything but you know), I can get and have had more than my fair share of hot chicks. I'm getting them now on AM (28-40 range though). But I cannot justify paying $350-$500 to get laid. I just can't -Maybe In a few years I will. And that's the cost for most of the young hotties. I'm inclined to believe there's less psychology behind it; it's more about economics. I have to believe many mongers just can't justify the cost though. Period.

Time is another factor. The sugarbaby game seems to be an enormous investment of time. I'm too busy and can't be taking young girls out in public to dinner and shit.[/QUOTE]I can afford five hundred, but it's an insanely stupid way to spend your money. Three is about as high as I go unless I just have to try something. Nothing is ever as good as advertised in this industry, ever.

Another thing that is being missed is generational differences and how bad a 21 year old hottie acts now compared to 20 years ago. Kids are being raised differently and have been for decades. There is a clear difference in youths today than people of the same age even ten years ago. There is a lot more entitlement, and way less accountability. When you combine this with a pandemic and a rampant opiod problem, you get above average chicks charging five bills for a nut just because they aren't junkies or aren't 40 plus.

I'm only in my late thirties, but I prefer the cougars or someone my age because I identify with them better and the overall experience (for me) is better. As I've said many times, if the attitude and hygiene are good, I'm able to overlook some saggy tits or thicker thighs.

Different strokes, of course, but for me if I know you have a bad attitude and you aren't even trying to hide it, I can't get into it. Older providers at least act like they are enjoying the visit. The only provider under 30 that I've actually had a great time with was Natalee, and she definitely doesn't fall into the "hard body" class. She has some extra lbs and probably was in her late 20's. Any other experiences I've had with "hotter" younger providers has just felt very mechanical and cold.

[QUOTE=MarblesKyle;4998905]I can afford five hundred, but it's an insanely stupid way to spend your money. Three is about as high as I go unless I just have to try something. Nothing is ever as good as advertised in this industry, ever.

Another thing that is being missed is generational differences and how bad a 21 year old hottie acts now compared to 20 years ago. Kids are being raised differently and have been for decades. There is a clear difference in youths today than people of the same age even ten years ago. There is a lot more entitlement, and way less accountability. When you combine this with a pandemic and a rampant opiod problem, you get above average chicks charging five bills for a nut just because they aren't junkies or aren't 40 plus.

I'm only in my late thirties, but I prefer the cougars or someone my age because I identify with them better and the overall experience (for me) is better. As I've said many times, if the attitude and hygiene are good, I'm able to overlook some saggy tits or thicker thighs.

Different strokes, of course, but for me if I know you have a bad attitude and you aren't even trying to hide it, I can't get into it. Older providers at least act like they are enjoying the visit. The only provider under 30 that I've actually had a great time with was Natalee, and she definitely doesn't fall into the "hard body" class. She has some extra lbs and probably was in her late 20's. Any other experiences I've had with "hotter" younger providers has just felt very mechanical and cold.[/QUOTE]This does appear to be the reality. Based on many reviews I've read on here GPS is prevalent in the young hotties. And that's no fun. But if there are multiple reviews of a young escort who is GFE surely she's getting plenty of business. I just haven't seen many.

To support the economics argument consider this though: any guy on here would fuck Gabbie Carter (or whichever young hot porn star you'd like) If she charged $125 hr, FS, GFE. I'm certain of that. But the risk of not getting that experience for $350-$500 is very high in a city where the young hotties are known for having gps.

[QUOTE=DNut;4998906]What are the 3 most important things when considering value in real estate? "LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The current prices are definitely driven by economics, but not in the way of need. It has more to do of WHERE they are advertising. When the USA Classifieds were up, the prices set there were more reasonable because those providers who posted there also had access to the board. They could read what was being said, and the prices set by the popular ladies became the de facto "standard rate" with plusses and minuses given for youth, hotness, personality and quality of service. There was feedback that could be read and it functioned as Yelp did. New incoming girls could see what the standard rate was, and adjust their own pricing accordingly. Those that were overcharging could / would read comments about their rates and they were more inclined to make adjustments.

Nowadays, USA Classifieds is gone, and the new girls entering the biz are only seeing the rates set by their competition on Tryst and Eros, and Slixa, and they think that if Provider1 is charging $$ then they should also be charging $$ Then someone hotter comes along and decides to add a couple of $$ to that because, after all, if some ugly skank can charge $$ then surely they would be worth $$ a session. Newer girls comes along, sees the the 6 benjamins and before you know it, you got a 150/ hr girls asking 4 X what the market will actually bear.

Case in point, this newer Tryst poster: [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sexxijessii[/URL] She is asking for 5 benjamins per hour. Never met her, and I certainly don't remember any reviews, so based solely on what I can see in the ad, there is no way anyone would part with a Mercedes car payment for an hour with her.

Location, location, location.

P.S.-- Looking at the ads, I think Maci Monroe is priced appropriately. She is reviewed, mostly positive with the negatives being her lack of respect for time and punctuality, and she does have a pleasing look. So, I am using her as my baseline of gauging rate vs. Return.[/QUOTE]I have always tried to set rates that are reasonable for everyone involved. I never had anyone over 250 or 300 hr at the most and a very few of them were at those rates like Maria Monroe, Galina, Ryann etc. Anyone that uses EE regularly knows I give them lower rates than what is listed of the website. I do see rates the Ladies charge on Eros, Tryst and other sites and wonder how many clientele they get in this market at that price point? The SexxiJessii that DNut referred to is the same Jess on LC doing QV for. 6 at a very low end hotel. But again, I Believe most of the clientele that they get serious interest from are first timers or do not know about USASG and are not educated in the hobby. Most of those providers do not screen for safety either. Stay safe and spend your money wisely!! EE.

"Nothing is ever as good as advertised in this industry, ever. " That's just about the most accurate statement I've ever read on these boards.

[QUOTE=MarblesKyle;4998905]I can afford five hundred, but it's an insanely stupid way to spend your money. Three is about as high as I go unless I just have to try something. Nothing is ever as good as advertised in this industry, ever.

Another thing that is being missed is generational differences and how bad a 21 year old hottie acts now compared to 20 years ago. Kids are being raised differently and have been for decades. There is a clear difference in youths today than people of the same age even ten years ago. There is a lot more entitlement, and way less accountability. When you combine this with a pandemic and a rampant opiod problem, you get above average chicks charging five bills for a nut just because they aren't junkies or aren't 40 plus.

I'm only in my late thirties, but I prefer the cougars or someone my age because I identify with them better and the overall experience (for me) is better. As I've said many times, if the attitude and hygiene are good, I'm able to overlook some saggy tits or thicker thighs.

Different strokes, of course, but for me if I know you have a bad attitude and you aren't even trying to hide it, I can't get into it. Older providers at least act like they are enjoying the visit. The only provider under 30 that I've actually had a great time with was Natalee, and she definitely doesn't fall into the "hard body" class. She has some extra lbs and probably was in her late 20's. Any other experiences I've had with "hotter" younger providers has just felt very mechanical and cold.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;4998906]What are the 3 most important things when considering value in real estate? "LOCATION! LOCATION! LOCATION! The current prices are definitely driven by economics, but not in the way of need. It has more to do of WHERE they are advertising. When the USA Classifieds were up, the prices set there were more reasonable because those providers who posted there also had access to the board. They could read what was being said, and the prices set by the popular ladies became the de facto "standard rate" with plusses and minuses given for youth, hotness, personality and quality of service. There was feedback that could be read and it functioned as Yelp did. New incoming girls could see what the standard rate was, and adjust their own pricing accordingly. Those that were overcharging could / would read comments about their rates and they were more inclined to make adjustments.

Nowadays, USA Classifieds is gone, and the new girls entering the biz are only seeing the rates set by their competition on Tryst and Eros, and Slixa, and they think that if Provider1 is charging $$ then they should also be charging $$ Then someone hotter comes along and decides to add a couple of $$ to that because, after all, if some ugly skank can charge $$ then surely they would be worth $$ a session. Newer girls comes along, sees the the 6 benjamins and before you know it, you got a 150/ hr girls asking 4 X what the market will actually bear.

Case in point, this newer Tryst poster: [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/sexxijessii[/URL] She is asking for 5 benjamins per hour. Never met her, and I certainly don't remember any reviews, so based solely on what I can see in the ad, there is no way anyone would part with a Mercedes car payment for an hour with her.

Location, location, location.

P.S.-- Looking at the ads, I think Maci Monroe is priced appropriately. She is reviewed, mostly positive with the negatives being her lack of respect for time and punctuality, and she does have a pleasing look. So, I am using her as my baseline of gauging rate vs. Return.[/QUOTE]Lots of good points, D Nut. Interestingly, the girl you referred to on Tryst also advertises on Listcrawler. I saw her last week for $100 for a half hour. She's OK but certainly nothing special and NO WAY is she worth $500.

[QUOTE=DNut;4998436]I don't live in the hobby. I merely vacation there. As I have stated before, my involvement in the hobby is to indulge a fantasy. I do so for an hour or two, then go back to the reality I live. There I have other passions and interests that challenge, amuse, bemuse, and yes, frustrate me. But it is precisely in the mundane that I find my mind stirring at the thought of my next monger encounter.

Ever read, "The paradox of hedonism"? There, it discusses the question of, "if a pleasure remains, does it remain a pleasure? Perhaps finding something else that demands your time and attention would give you a new appreciation for the little hobby vacations you take.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say I'm bored, but looking at ad (listcrawler Cincinnati) nothing is jumping out at me. I've found about 4 in Dayton I'm going to look into. One I know has been around a while and should be safe is Macii Monroe. There just doesn't seem to be much jumping out at me in Cincy at the moment.

Also in my 50's here. Age may be a factor, but here's another one: The options before us at present are simply not very good.

As others have noted, there are some young, chubby $100 girls asking for $500 or more:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/naughtynicole-333[/URL]

And I know some of you with geriatric preferences like "MILFs". Fine and good. But there is a difference between a hot older woman (I acknowledge that they exist), and a beat-to-heck, overweight old woman:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

Or you can spend $450 on a woman whose cellulite-covered posterior could justify its own zip code:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/karmyn-bankz[/URL]

Honestly, I don't know if these options would have appealed to me when I was a horny 16-year-old, and certainly not at these prices.

The good news: The market is historically cyclical. This, too, shall pass. If you're feeling unmotivated by the high-priced, low-quality options at present, hold on to your $ for now. COVID turned lots of markets upside down this year. Why should the hobby market be any different?

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;4997630]For those who've been mongering for a while. Do you ever get bored with the hobby? I appear to be in such a phase now. Last time I got some was with Ariel about 3 months ago. For most of the time since then, I've wanted it yet not wanted it at the same time, if you know what I'm trying to say.

I think part of it is I'm getting tired of women in general. Not so much sexually, but more because their bullshit seems to get worse with each passing year (we can thank social media for that). COVID and the lack of quality providers here has probably put a damper on it too. But it's starting to feel kind of boring even apart from these things. Maybe after almost 10 years of pretty continuous hobby action, I'm starting to get de-sensitized to it. 20-something chicks with shaved mounds and tattoos were a novelty and a huge turn-on once upon a time. Now, the novelty has worn off. I used to know how many women I've slept with, now, I would have to go through all my posts here from the last 8 or 9 years to give even a rough estimate.

Maybe it's age too. I'm in my 50's. I've never needed those special pills, but losing some interest kind of bothers me anyway.

Can't really bring up this subject with anyone in everyday life, so am interested to hear your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;5000349]Also in my 50's here. Age may be a factor, but here's another one: The options before us at present are simply not very good.

As others have noted, there are some young, chubby $100 girls asking for $500 or more:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/naughtynicole-333[/URL]

And I know some of you with geriatric preferences like "MILFs". Fine and good. But there is a difference between a hot older woman (I acknowledge that they exist), and a beat-to-heck, overweight old woman:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/annie-girl[/URL]

Or you can spend $450 on a woman whose cellulite-covered posterior could justify its own zip code:

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/karmyn-bankz[/URL]

Honestly, I don't know if these options would have appealed to me when I was a horny 16-year-old, and certainly not at these prices.

The good news: The market is historically cyclical. This, too, shall pass. If you're feeling unmotivated by the high-priced, low-quality options at present, hold on to your $ for now. COVID turned lots of markets upside down this year. Why should the hobby market be any different?[/QUOTE]Good post. I too am pretty much bored with the hobby, mostly because what is available. I don't prefer the geriatric overweight, underweight, sloppy, bad teeth, cellulite ridden providers that are available. Like I have said before I know we all have our preferences but its actually starting to irritate a little when some the post how "hot" and "great" they are. In fact it seems of all ages that's what is available today in this area. I see members with a lot of posts singing the praises of these provider and I just help but wondering what the hell they are thinking. Its one thing to see them post positively about their performance, but to say they are attractive and look good? C'Mon. Now. Thank god I have two very attractive utr's. But once again I know we all have our, some very strange, very questionable, preferences. It makes us who we are. I've posted before there are some mongers here I give their recommendations, at least in the looks dept, zero credibility based on what they have said about other providers. I hope you are right about the talent changing based on the up and down cycle. You may be right but I'm not so sure.

[QUOTE=Hooter12;5000661]Good post. I too am pretty much bored with the hobby, mostly because what is available. I don't prefer the geriatric overweight, underweight, sloppy, bad teeth, cellulite ridden providers that are available. Like I have said before I know we all have our preferences but its actually starting to irritate a little when some the post how "hot" and "great" they are. In fact it seems of all ages that's what is available today in this area. I see members with a lot of posts singing the praises of these provider and I just help but wondering what the hell they are thinking. Its one thing to see them post positively about their performance, but to say they are attractive and look good? C'Mon. Now. Thank god I have two very attractive utr's. But once again I know we all have our, some very strange, very questionable, preferences. It makes us who we are. I've posted before there are some mongers here I give their recommendations, at least in the looks dept, zero credibility based on what they have said about other providers. I hope you are right about the talent changing based on the up and down cycle. You may be right but I'm not so sure.[/QUOTE]Not sure if any of my recent reviews are ones you are talking about? But as far as looks. Saying someone is decent looking today, is comparing them with other providers of today. I agree, the overall quality of providers in all areas. Looks, performance, etc. Has gone downhill. So when saying some provider looks ok today, when comparing to providers a few years ago, isn't even close.

Only provider that has decent looks would by Katie / Kly30. She has a very nice body. Lolareal was only other one in recent times.

[QUOTE=Benji513;5001223]Not sure if any of my recent reviews are ones you are talking about? But as far as looks. Saying someone is decent looking today, is comparing them with other providers of today. I agree, the overall quality of providers in all areas. Looks, performance, etc. Has gone downhill. So when saying some provider looks ok today, when comparing to providers a few years ago, isn't even close.

Only provider that has decent looks would by Katie / Kly30. She has a very nice body. Lolareal was only other one in recent times.[/QUOTE]Mongering nowadays is like a game of bridge. If you can't find a good partner, you're better off with a good hand.

We all have our own tastes when seeking providers. What you think is great I may think she's bad. Ages to me do not matter as long as they are over 18 and under 50. I look for the average girls not the beauty Queens. I mainly judge a provider by performance. If I'm not sexually attracted to one I leave. I'm not into strippers LOL they are not worth a fuck in bed LOL. I've been with a few lesbians they are worse than strippers. In today world 98% are using drugs. Most of them have their BFs or husbands close by. Streetwalkers are now on new sites and liscrawler selling it for 150 to 200 a hour. They were getting 40 on the street. I had counted 4 of them on skip the games in one day last week. On list crawler the ads are full of them. A lot of you say I don't do streetwalkers. The hell you say their ads are up now and your fucking them at a higher rate that's all. I currently have 5 providers I see none with ads up and one that walks. That's the way it is today!! Lenny6746.

[QUOTE=DNut;5001326]Mongering nowadays is like a game of bridge. If you can't find a good partner, you're better off with a good hand.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's getting bad. Have to stock up good lotion.