Never Gives Up Blaming Other's for His Own Actions
For the life of me, I cannot find a single post of where I asked you to bow to anything. You are fixated with me for some reason. Find the posts where I asked or even suggested me to bow and present them here. You won't. Why? They don't exist. You make yourself a victim to gain approval and pity. It isn't working.
The issues you brought to the Forum that you say are OK:
1) You were promoting Trannies on the site. It's been proven. Just because Admin may have missed it, doesn't mean it's not against the rules. We all have some responsibility to keep the Forum on track. You were actually asked or reminded that the purpose of the forum was to promote women, not men. You decided that even though you know that the rules clearly state that fact but because you didn't get "dinged" by Admin that it was OK to do and kept doing it.
2) You then started bringing $70 SWs into the UTR Threads and promoting as a $220 UTR Provider to the unknowing. When it was called out, you went ballistic. It was pointed out that the UTR Thread was for true UTR providers, not SWs or Advertisers. Then after you got butt-hurt about, you disrespected the Forum even more by trying to defend it and then started bringing in other SWs to the UTR Thread as well.
3) You found a new purpose for yourself by collecting SW digits (which no one called you out on that) then thinking that you could be BMOC, you started REQUIRING that Members "HMU" to get the digits. BUT to get them, you had to meet some made up criteria and overly extensive screening process that you would conduct on the Member or you wouldn't share. You were quite adamant that you first HAD to be a Senior Member, you had to have certain types of posts, then if approved that you personally had to contact the SW and give them your approval before you would then share the digits. You even negotiated the rates. You would then recap the date with the SW and then you would "go after" anyone on the Forum that didn't follow your protocol 100%. You became a Pimp.
4) Now that you have decided that you need to redefine what a UTR is so you can promote "your girls". Even when other members have shared the exact sediment against it over your attempts, you now are single handedly trying to ruin the intent behind the UTR Thread and make it just a basic exchange of digits for ANY provider type. Opening up the gate for to promote your providers in a more prestigious thread. Providers that have very dubious pedigree. There ARE threads available to promote these random background girls. You just have some obsession with destroying what was one of the most integral Forums in Orlando. Combine this fact with your admitted obsession with being a Gatekeeper (and Pimp) does nothing but continue to lower your integrity and credibility.
5) You went after a Member on the Forum and threatened them openly when one of your girls did not follow through on the date and he gave her reduced funds. The most likely cause that was determined was because she was too high. Other members agreed that the girl didn't perform as hired for, she shouldn't expect full pay. You went off like the Little Tea Pot on the Forum and showed beyond a doubt your Pimpish methods of running "your business".
6) You lie continually. Changing stories. Changing positions. Changing pedigrees. Changing stories. Changing personal prowess abilities. No one knows when you are telling the truth (if ever) or not.
Those things have nothing to do with me "demanding" you bow to me. It is all common sense, knowledge, courtesy, decency, protocol, tradition, integrity, credibility and partnership. You are choosing you guide your own destiny. Credibility and Integrity are earned, not given. Demonstrated, not demanded.
No one is trying to "take away" anyone's "business". The Forum is designed to share intel about Providers. There's good, bad and there's ugly at times. There is even a Negative Review Thread. Putting both sides out for all to see is not an issue, it's encouraged. You admittedly have brought girls to the table that cried "wolf" (serious issues) against mongers. You admitted that some of "your girls" aren't mentally ready to do this work. Even your current Top Girl.
Business is gained or lost from the providers performance, behavior, value for the money, attitude, appearance, safety, surroundings, etc. It's not from one person sharing facts about the total package. Members get to decide if they want to deal with a provider. Members want to know as much as possible to avoid having a negative experience. Members tend to not want to be hoodwinked by a Gatekeeper / Pimp that has demonstrated dangerous behaviors and lies over and over. You gain business by having integrity and credibility.
You FINALLY got 2 positive comments on one of your girls and then YOU cloud it up by calling out the negative behaviors she recently demonstrated after the fact. I would have taken the win, straightened up her true pedigree in her Thread classification and ran for the goal line. Instead, you fumbled the ball and kick it out of bounds.
You are mad that it's pointed out to check the Gatekeeper as well as the Provider. That's common practice. Some members do not do that. It's a comment to share intel. Part of the Forum is to help maintain a safe experience and share intel. That's what's done. You get mad because it shines a bright light on your Dangerous Drama Cloud that follows you. Members need to verify the integrity of not only the Provider, but the Member providing the intel. I will say that over and over. Always have. Always will.
When a Member has only 2 posts and they post a review, good or bad, you take it with a grain of salt. Right? Yes.
When a Member has 500 posts and their posts are filled mostly with lies, contradictions, proven false accusations, deceptive descriptors, flip-flops, threatening violence towards members, outlandish demands, intrusive screening, invasive recaps after the meeting, brick wall criteria to get info and such; you SHOULD take that with a pillar of salt. Right? Definitely.
If anyone is hurting one of "you girls" business, it's probably 10% them and 90% YOU.
Grain 56.
P.S. I will concede that maybe I did ask you to "bow" to one thing. I did ask you to PLEASE learn to write full paragraphs and stop writing in single fragmented sentences.
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6095108]This imagined war... the HOA has with me has reached the level of totally disgusting.
This war began when I refused to bow to Grain...
...If A2 (, the actual authority) had had a problem with anything I've posted I would have known.
...Now they are trying to affect the girl's business...
I,as a lot of others I have heard from, was hesitant to post reviews because I came under Grain's relentless self righteous attack from my very first review.
->GRAIN: This "first post attack" was already proven false, and I even posted some PRAISE from you to me. You didn't think I could produce the facts when you first made the accusation. You then conceeded and agreed when the proof was presented. Now you recant. AGAIN. <-
...And this lack of reviews is one reason girls don't get promoted, don't get requests. And then leave.
Which drys up the UTR pool for members;..[/QUOTE]
War? This Just A Battle, Son.
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380] Grow up
...This war began when I refused to bow to Grain', s imagined and self appointed authority.[/QUOTE]Actually this all started when I called you out for promoting Tranny's and offering their numbers. Remember? We can see your old posts. This isn't against Grains rule but site rules. Remember?
It continued when you were called out for disregarding and ignoring established thread protocols by promoting SW'ers on the UTR thread. Remember? We can access old posts. This "war" was escalated when you were called out for your creepy behavior of keeping registries (info) on mongers, your disrespectful, aggressive and holier-than-thou attitude toward fellow mongers. Remember? We can view your old posts.
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]If A2 (, the actual authority) had had a problem with anything I've posted I would have known.[/QUOTE]You're such a liar. You denied posting about Tranny's, much less promoting them. Remember? We can see your old posts.
A2 made you adhere to site rules. Thus you no longer post that BS. A2 let's us call out the BS and allows members to expose those who don't follow protocols.
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]I post girls because it's a fun diversion nothing more.
I meet them in the course of my regular day with regularity.
Some, most, I don't trick with for personal relationship reasons. That relationship is over so I will be tricking more.[/QUOTE]Remember the boy who cried wolf? Liar. Now this is bitchsplaining at its finest.
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]I,as a lot of others I have heard from, was hesitant to post reviews because I came under Grain's relentless self righteous attack from my very first review.[/QUOTE]I challenge you to repost where you were attacked for posting a review. You continuously lie. Why? We'll wait.
The real reason YOU don't post reviews? As you wrote, your shit no longer works. That's what you wrote. Remember? We can see ALL your old posts.
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]And this lack of reviews is one reason girls don't get promoted, don't get requests. And then leave.
It's also why I typically back channel members long before posting to the open forum.
Which drys up the UTR pool for members;.[/QUOTE]More bitchsplaining. If true explain why 1 particular gatekeeper with true classy UTR'S gets stellar reviews and members constantly reap kudos upon him and those he gatekeeps?
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]These clowns are doing more harm to the membership just to stroke their fragile egos.[/QUOTE]So following forum and site rules and protocols causes harm to members and the site. BUT, NOT following forum rules (posting Tranny's and disrespecting members) and protocols (listing common SW'ers and trap ho's) as UTR'S causes no harm?
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]now on if you don't have 200 review or information heavy posts without years of dormancy don't contact me for UTR numbers.
Anyone can have SW numbers.[/QUOTE]Now this is confusing as WhineyAss's promoted UTR'S are SW'ers or trap ho's.
[QUOTE=WhineyAss380]I'll tell you to tell them I referred you or that you come from USA or The Guide because it promotes the site you fucking morons.
I do that while the HOA is bringing the site down with their egos.[/QUOTE]Actually you do this for you and your ego. I ask:
1. Why can't you post SW'ers in the correct place?
2. Why are you the ONLY gatekeeper being called out?
3. Why are you singled out?
4. What's different about you?
Oh yeah. We know you gotta peek 'cause the Hunter cuts you deep. LOL
Stay safe out there and happy hunting.
NC HUNTER.
Finally, an Offer to Answer a Question and Not Divert
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6095577]SMH:I can only imagine, because I'm not interested enough to look.
This Hunter is calling me a liar or pimp again.
And using quotes out of context to prove it.[/QUOTE]If you look at my last post about your habitual and continual lying in the Best of WA's Lies post, I posted comments you made in exact Time-Line order, just the way you wrote them. How is that being out of context? You flat out lied. Plus, if you're not looking at our posts, how do you know he wrote you? LOL. NC is using your posts in your own words alright and he's proving what he is saying are facts.
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6095577]If anyone cares enough to translate is rambling immaturity into adult coherentese.[/QUOTE]What? Are you even speaking English?
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6095577]I'll answer any valid question.[/QUOTE]That's a fallacy. You've been asked several valid questions you have refused to answer. You only come back at those questions with lame defense of your lies and then offer even more lame excuses. Maybe the comment you just made is an offer then to actually answer some questions.
I hope you aren't lying about that too. Your integrity can't take too much more stress. Don't blow this one!
Here's one question that maybe you'll finally answer now that you say you are willing to answer a valid question.
Will you please show the Forum any post (s) where anything said about you and your lying comments is false, was made up or was presented out of Context?
Saying he says it's 4 or 5 O' Clock isn't a post, it's something that a person with zero creds and integrity says to try to keep afloat and attempt to gain pity from the Forum. Poor WA. The big boys are talking about him again because he keeps trying to lie his way to importance and acceptance.
We'll be waiting for your reply.
Grain 56.
In Any Context, You're A Damn Pathological Liar
You forget, we can see your past posts. We got receipts. I'm not calling you anything. I'm proving you're everything I accuse you of using your own words. Are you writing out of context? LOL.
8/2/21 post# 10214.
[QUOTE=WAYNEASHLEY380]I didn't get mad that I couldn't discuss trannies, because I never tried to discuss trannies.
I didn't get madder that I was not allowed to pimp them, because I never pimped them.
I Did find it funny that when You tried to report me you were ignored.[/QUOTE]If you didn't write and attempt to pimp tranny's, what was there for me to report to A2, which you claims to have ignored? Busted yourself, LIAR!!
And from the mind of the same guy.
12/17/21 post# 31621.
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380]This is exactly why I get numbers.
Hit me, just got another tiny black spinner and a tranny's numbers.[/QUOTE]12/17/21 post# 31620.
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380]Trans
Not my thing but I don't judge.
If anyone wants a trans number hit me up
I'm discreet about it.[/QUOTE]WhineyAss can easily be proven a liar. WE ALL know he reads my posts but claims not to as he can't address my truths.
Stay safe out there and happy hunting.
NC HUNTER.
First, I Formed Actual Paragraphs in Your Post
[QUOTE=WayneAshley380;6096908]At this point you have crossed line from pathetic to pitiable. You are so desperate for attention you do the one thing you know will draw me out. How petty do you have to be to attack a respected provider to get attention. The good thing is that at this point you have lost all credibility with anyone I would want to give digits to anyway. Everyone else consider the source and go thru his posts.
All you will find is classic Karenisms from a sad pathetic little man who seems to only get pleasure from attacking others and trying to set himself up as some sort of influencer. Karen Cartman. Respect his authoritai or he'll call the manager.
He and his crew are why Jayda is not fully available to the membership.[/QUOTE]Who and what are you even talking about? Can't be about me. As far as for myself, where have I attacked a respected provider? If you are referring to my factual comments about Kitty, the $40 Streetwalker, Hood Rat Girl that you are attempting to pawn off as $250 UTR material, when I didn't attack her, I called YOU out for lying about her on the Forum. If she lost business over it, blame yourself. You are the mker of your own destiny. I even posted PROOF of my comments about you, in your own words. Respected provider? Her? Really?
As far as garnering attention, I don't see a single post I have made looking for approval from anyone, asking for people to follow me or are worried because someone presents facts (facts, not made-up stories) against something I may have said. Those posts don't exist. The only posts you see anyone being called out; it's calling out people like you that just don't get it. You would be surprised how many people came in here to the Forum like a White Tornado, posting about all their conquests, all their girls they represent, saying everyone else's girls are garbage, just follow me disciples and I will anoint you with all the SW Hood Rats you can handle. Some went on and on about their 2 hours marathon conquests and trips around the world with SWs and such. Some even hosted their own Thread to sit high on the throne to spin their yarns, while many idiots worshiped them and kissed their feet. Thousands and thousands of posts were produced by some of these deities. The stories were so outlandish, anyone with half a brain, could see right through it.
Eventually, the walls established cracks, the SWs and other providers began to tell the truth about these supposed conquests or the girl's true pedigree was exposed for the truth. Chinks in the armor were discovered. The golden throne tarnished. Some became banned members due to their antics. Some refused to address the fake stories and faded away (not RP469, that's a whole other issue, but similar) due to their lack of credibility. Others vanished and reappeared in another town. Some tried to rebuild their old empire. Sometimes when they are mentioned, a rogue post will be made from a strange Moniker that hasn't seen the light if day for 6 years will be posted. Only to fade back to black. Not too hard to figure out the source of these multi-monikered Members.
It just doesn't work though. It never was the same. People that were "starry eyed" and looked up to the sky at these Gods, eventually found bird shit landing right in their face. The walls came crashing down. The truth eventually prevailed.
Then over time, their believed forum creds (the little they had anyway) came crashing down.
Anyway.
As far as suggesting anyone go through someone's posts to see what integrity and credibility they may have, that's exactly what I have encouraged ANY member that wants digits from you for one of your Hood Rats. I admit, I have seen and been with some hood rats over the years. BUT I never tried to hide their true background. That's the difference between me and you. I tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You have been proven without fail to be a huge liar.
I invite anyone to read my posts. I encourage it. They will see that I only have ever attacked scumbag liars reminiscent of someone WayneAshley.
Finally, I don't even know who Jayda is. If she's attached to you in some way, you can BET she's another SW trying to get $250 for a date with WhineyAshley packeting a handsome commission.
UTR Thread Derailed by a Gatekeeper Pimp
[QUOTE=Grapp150;6098542]I have seen Jayda, Kween, and Maya all from WA. All good times, good looking girls, and never issues. Wayne has a system in place and if he is the one giving you a number, then it is his right to tell who can give it out. I see no issues with WA saying that. Not sure why you would have an issue with that?
Grapp150.[/QUOTE]You certainly have the right to your opinion. I am not questioning "his girls" performance as a provider. I am sure you've had a good time with them.
However, my point is that the girl in question here owns herself and isn't "owned" by WA. If she wants others to share her digits, she 100% has that right. Again, WA does not own her. If she isn't or doesn't want to be solely represented by him, maybe that's a loud signal that she doesn't want him to be her exclusive distributor for some other reason that is well-known by most but may be oblivious to others.
Also remember, she is a human being that can make her own decisions on who can or can't share her digits. If WA doesn't like that fact that she can make that call, then HE needs to cut the ties with her and let her go free. She obviously has no loyalty to WA. She has that right. She found a way to make triple, even quadruple her normal rates and she's going to run with it!
WA was complaining that "his" girl's "business" was dropping, here's a way to help out this girl and give her more exposure. Why would he deny her that ability if he IS actually so worried about her business and financial survival? It's contradictory to say the least. It's also extremely telling of what WA's REAL intent is. To Be a Pimp, to control these girls mentally and physically, then benefit from the transactions.
He is showing undeniably Pimpish behavior.
If you or anyone wants to now retort and throw out a comment about or question the usual long-standing UTR forum protocol in this matter, remember that WA himself has basically broken all protocol barriers in the UTR thread and rewritten the rules to accommodate his craving to be a Gatekeeper by his actions of placing and promoting 100% known SWs as UTR providers. This is not a one-time thing either. He's done it repeatedly. By his OWN admission. Now you can't come back and complain about protocol when it no longer exists as it had for years and years. WA plays by WA's rules. Integrity and Credibility be damned. Many have stood by and watched the Thread's intent crumble from the sidelines.
He has no protocol, protocol.
Grain 56.
