"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3103661]Has anyone had success pulling on sugar websites other than SA or SD4 M?[/QUOTE]I have used [URL]sugardaddie.com[/URL] in days past but not recently. I think the last time might have been 2008. There were plenty of nice girls there at the time, but the problem was the options for filtering / sorting them geographically were terrible. At that time, I don't even think it specified which city the girl was in, you just had to randomly hit them up if they were in the state you wanted and ask them how far they are from where.

I realize how ridiculous that sounds now, but it was not too bad. Because of the lack of efficiency, it seemed like there was an equal lack of paying daddies. This usually meant that if I contacted someone I almost always got a response and interest in meeting, unless she hadn't logged on in a while (that was another problem, I seem to remember it only said "last login more than 3 months ago" However, sometimes you got responses even if they had not logged in, because they got an email notification that someone was trying to reach them. In some cases they had forgotten they created the account.

Pros were that I never got the sense there were any fake accounts there. I even saw no less than two girls I had already dated from Match there under civy dating circumstances with no gift provided! I didn't even know until I saw their profile they were looking for a daddy. Because of the lack of daddies competing for girls, I was amazed at how willing they were to travel long distances to meet me or do whatever it takes to get going.

Cons were that it didn't have anywhere near the features of a real dating site, even for that period of time (comparing to thinks like match and yahoo personals back then). The lack of city specific searches led to a lot of POTs that were just too far from where I wanted, and I didn't like the risk of shipping one to my door only to potentially end up with a catfisher who posted fake pics or showed up 10lbs heavier. Some of the girls did strike me as definite UTR material, maybe even escorts, but for whatever reason it seemed harder to vet them out until more emails were traded. I guess the chat feature of SA helps somewhat with that, I don't think sugardaddie had instant messaging at that time.

That site has been around for like 15 years so it's probably evolved since then but I'm sure the more popular and better marketed ones have eaten their lunch somewhat.

Overall I had more memorable moments with Match, PlentyOfFish, OKCupid, Craigslist, etc. But I realize you limited your question to SD sites.

[QUOTE=SugarDaddyX;3103661]Has anyone had success pulling on sugar websites other than SA or SD4 M?

I was on ArrangementFinders years back, but most of the profiles were abandoned years ago it seemed. I did talk with a few real SB's though. I never went back after the Ashley Madison hack. From what I read, AF was owned by AM and also compromised.

I was on one called sugarsugar for awhile. While not super active, I did not see any fake profiles and did converse with a few SB's during 2013-2014. Over the last year or two, the website seemed to have been abandoned by its operator. It is now a ghost town.

SDX.[/QUOTE]I've used this one on & off for years. When I started it was completely free but now there seems to be a nominal fee but it seems I've been grandfathered from having to pay.

There's lots of cons, including very inactive for some areas, but one big pro is that some of the girls put contact info right in their profile.

Was arrested. Probably best to prepare for lots of UTR / escort refugees on the SD sites.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3103912]Was arrested. Probably best to prepare for lots of UTR / escort refugees on the SD sites.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just another example of stopping a girl's right to choose to operate her own business and send her into the darkness of pimps, bars and the streets! This is misguided. Prolly someone running for re-election.

When one thing on the web gets tamped down (I. E. CL CE) something else crops up.

[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3103947]Yeah, just another example of stopping a girl's right to choose to operate her own business and send her into the darkness of pimps, bars and the streets! This is misguided. Prolly someone running for re-election. When one thing on the web gets tamped down (I. E. CL CE) something else crops up.[/QUOTE]How this country has ignored the benefits of the tax revenue from legalizing mongering, which is very clearly going to continue one way or another as it has since the beginning of time, is beyond me. Interesting about BP is they are charging him with trafficking, which in some past messages in this thread, I put forth as what they might try to use to bring down the SD sites one day. They can sell that idea to the public easily, that they are protecting victims / kids etc.

Its absurd of course. Just because BP provides an advertising vehicle that some trafficker selected to advertise his girl doesn't make the CEO any more guilty of trafficking than the owner of the hotel that provides the room. They should only be able to go after the actual traffickers (thos that directly participated in the crime), not everyone who had some connection to the environment that the event occurred in. What we all have to be aware of is just because it's wrong doesn't mean it won't happen. They could go after Brandon Wade just as easily if they decide to. It's clear they aren't afraid to dish out trumped up charges. Maybe they'll get the conviction they want, maybe not, but they might still use it to shut down bank payment possibilities and such. But they will use trafficking as an excuse that suits their needs even if its wrong.

All of this is one reason I wish there were a way to chase away the escort and even UTR activity from the SD sites, it only brings problematic attention to an otherwise perfectly legal form of dating.

I wonder if any of you have quit an old SA profile and started up a new one, and if so what the pluses and minuses are. It seems clear to me that some girls are doing this. I am sucked in by one, and don't recognize the name, but then I see some detail or a picture that is familiar. Some people have posted about keeping track of girls and re-messaging them from a different profile using knowledge from a failed earlier attempt. HG suggests always going after newbies, and I am wary of profiles that started in 2013 or 2010 (if they allow that to be shown. I guess for the free memberships they have no choice).

Given the AM hack, I guess it's good for us married guys that SA has pretty good security, but it's a pain. The captcha drives me crazy. Recognizing storefronts and houses? Street numbers are easiest for me. The log in also seems to do this thing where it jumps from the password window back up to the email window, so you end up having typed part of your password after your log in, and it all has to be re-edited and resubmitted. I guess this is supposed to force human intervention so bots can't try all possible combos to hack your account.

Yep, that was my Groundhog day approach. Like the Bill Murray movie where he had the knowledge of the prior day and could use it to fix mistakes from his past.

Not sure if SA still does this, but it once was that if you let an account lie fallow for a few months, you would get an email giving you a discount off premium membership. Not a huge savings, but if you could have bought premium for a lower price, why pay more?

And I agree with going for newbies. I'm not a fan of hardened girls that consider everything transactional.

My rotation got cut down because of jobs and moves. I was listed as a reference, and was happy to provide her with a good recommendation. Maybe I'll stick my toe back into the SA waters. It's been a while and based on a quick look at the talent these days, looks like there are a whole new crop.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;3104355]I wonder if any of you have quit an old SA profile and started up a new one, and if so what the pluses and minuses are. It seems clear to me that some girls are doing this. I am sucked in by one, and don't recognize the name, but then I see some detail or a picture that is familiar. Some people have posted about keeping track of girls and re-messaging them from a different profile using knowledge from a failed earlier attempt. HG suggests always going after newbies, and I am wary of profiles that started in 2013 or 2010 (if they allow that to be shown. I guess for the free memberships they have no choice).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3104618]Yep, that was my Groundhog day approach. Like the Bill Murray movie where he had the knowledge of the prior day and could use it to fix mistakes from his past.

Not sure if SA still does this, but it once was that if you let an account lie fallow for a few months, you would get an email giving you a discount off premium membership. Not a huge savings, but if you could have bought premium for a lower price, why pay more?

And I agree with going for newbies. I'm not a fan of hardened girls that consider everything transactional.

My rotation got cut down because of jobs and moves. I was listed as a reference, and was happy to provide her with a good recommendation. Maybe I'll stick my toe back into the SA waters. It's been a while and based on a quick look at the talent these days, looks like there are a whole new crop.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't think I want to have a paid membership continually. It provides discipline not to be able to message. I get OCD with the POTs on the site and spend way too much time there. Not to mention I have a SB who's supposed to be exclusive to me (and actually may be. She's busy as heck otherwise), but I don't really know her expectations in return. I just know her profile is deactivated and I keep mine that way when not online even when I am paid, to minimize the chance she sees I am on the site looking for girls in travel destinations.

Girls who were attractive enough to notice and remember (and likely message) but are still on the site months later. Something just doesn't seem right with that. They don't necessarily look like UTRs, but as many have said, the mind of a SB can be hard to understand.

BTW, I want to strongly recommend getting a sugar FB page. It is very helpful. If you google a POTs digits or email, often you get nothing. On FB, though, I have gotten real names, places of work, BFs, other photos, etc. In seconds. I just use all the same info on my SA profile so it looks like its sugar me, in case there is some leakage of those people who have viewed her page getting suggested as friends. Others have posted about this.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;3103721] ...

So I'm doing them a big favor when I come right out and tell them I'm not emotionally available. Telling them I'm not emotionally available is code for "My heart is with someone else in a commitment and don't want to complicate that relationship, so lets just have fun and keep things physical and casual". Most females will understand that statement even if they don't like it, and it is exactly an example of talking to them about feelings using direct honesty. On top of that, I make it very clear in my profile I'm looking for no-strings-attached, so for them to say or imply something that goes beyond that is out of bounds and needs early correction. Thankfully it is the experience that I gained in decades of mostly civy dating that helps me recognize the warning signs of clinginess, and I'm not even sure that requires game, the warning signs are probably common sense to many.

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[/QUOTE]I do the same. I always tell them up front I am not emotionally available, but that we can still have lots of fun and enjoy each other's company. I had a very bad experience a long time ago where my FWB (I was young and didn't know about SBs at the time) became to emotionally attached, and major drama followed. I vowed then to never let that happen again.

Pussy, like many things in life, has risks and benefits associated with it. Some here may think a free and amazing pussy is worth any cost. Others may disagree. While my NY baby is a favorite of mine, I'm not willing to risk the drama that may follow if she's getting to emotionally attached.

I'm waiting to see how things go the next few weeks. Either way, we'll have the 'I'm not emotionally available talk' again next time we meet. The outcome of that talk will determine our future. Ideally, we won't have to part ways. What ever happens. I'm not worried. There are plenty of young things in NYC.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;3104618]Yep, that was my Groundhog day approach. Like the Bill Murray movie where he had the knowledge of the prior day and could use it to fix mistakes from his past.

Not sure if SA still does this, but it once was that if you let an account lie fallow for a few months, you would get an email giving you a discount off premium membership. Not a huge savings, but if you could have bought premium for a lower price, why pay more?

And I agree with going for newbies. I'm not a fan of hardened girls that consider everything transactional.

My rotation got cut down because of jobs and moves. I was listed as a reference, and was happy to provide her with a good recommendation. Maybe I'll stick my toe back into the SA waters. It's been a while and based on a quick look at the talent these days, looks like there are a whole new crop.[/QUOTE]I don't think SA offers the discounts any longer. The girls are likely just changing their name with their current account. SA allows you to do that. I don't know how that affects your prior conversations etc.

[QUOTE=BikeRider;3104736]I do the same. I always tell them up front I am not emotionally available, but that we can still have lots of fun and enjoy each other's company. I had a very bad experience a long time ago where my FWB (I was young and didn't know about SBs at the time) became to emotionally attached, and major drama followed. I vowed then to never let that happen again.

Pussy, like many things in life, has risks and benefits associated with it. Some here may think a free and amazing pussy is worth any cost. Others may disagree. While my NY baby is a favorite of mine, I'm not willing to risk the drama that may follow if she's getting to emotionally attached.

I'm waiting to see how things go the next few weeks. Either way, we'll have the 'I'm not emotionally available talk' again next time we meet. The outcome of that talk will determine our future. Ideally, we won't have to part ways. What ever happens. I'm not worried. There are plenty of young things in NYC.[/QUOTE]I'm one of those that thinks all free pussy comes with a cost and is susceptible to emotional obligation, and its why I insist on gifting. In some ways I think of the gift I give them as an insurance premium against emotional obligation. When I hand them the money, I'd prefer they start thinking about what they're going to do with the cash and start forgetting about me until (potentially) next time. If we remain on each others mind in any way, texts start getting exchanged at random times about this or that, and that "bonding" phenomenon starts to take place where all of sudden you're getting to know each other a little too well (at least too well for someone who is already in a commitment). Some of them might want this, for example they might have a BF already who doesn't give them enough attention, but I certainly don't and I doubt the typical married guy has time for it.

I can relate totally to your FWB horror story. I've got some great memories of FWBs but it was always a bit of an emotional minefield in probably 90% of cases. One FWB I was seeing for about 2 weeks with great regular sex before she randomly, and almost out of the blue announced she "loved me", similar to the story you described in another post. There was no way she could actually have loved me (she simply didn't know me well enough, aside from screwing me), it came across as a disingenuous attempt to lure me into something that was on a new, yet to be agreed upon level. It truly turned me off and after she left my place I had a talk where I told her I was bothered by it and needed time alone. About a year or so later I ran into her at a bar in town and we ended up spending time in her car talking about what happened. She said she was sorry about the clinginess, was just going through a phase, missed the sex and would love to have just a casual, no-strings occasional romp. So we tried that, one night out and a fuck session later, I didn't call for a couple of days. She leaves a voice mail in kind of a joking voice: "Hey you! It looks like you disappeared on me again. ". More clingy behavior, right off the bat.

A somewhat opposite case: met a girl online that I wanted pretty bad. I had a sort-of (non serious) GF at the time but couldn't pass this girl up, I would even call her potential GF material if I didn't already have someone. I told her about my complications and existing GF, and we talked about our mutual urges and decided a FWB situation was in order. She promised me to never be clingy, and even with epic sex she held true to her promise. She did something that I actually respected, and came flat out and told me that if things didn't work out with my GF that she would be interested in something more with me, but that was it. After that she never pressed the issue or mentioned it again which I thought was completely classy. Great sex, no harm done, no hard feelings. I wish all FWB had her attitude and maturity.

Some might have noticed some vowels gone from my prior name. Its a cosmetic change only. All opinions, techniques, quirks, personality flaws and misgivings of the former identity have been retained. LOL.

It was done for somewhat experimental reasons, that I will am going to keep between Admin2 and I for now. Just know the change had purposeful intention, and the decision to change it was not just for the hell of it.

Hopefully it won't cause too much confusion. I don't think it's possible to change it in quoted text.

JL.

[QUOTE=JZLizard;3105490]Some might have noticed some vowels gone from my prior name. Its a cosmetic change only. All opinions, techniques, quirks, personality flaws and misgivings of the former identity have been retained. LOL.

It was done for somewhat experimental reasons, that I will am going to keep between Admin2 and I for now. Just know the change had purposeful intention, and the decision to change it was not just for the hell of it.

Hopefully it won't cause too much confusion. I don't think it's possible to change it in quoted text.

JL.[/QUOTE]LOL it won't.

[QUOTE=FScott;3011178]My brothers,

I feel compelled to share one of my recent experiences with the clubhouse in the hopes that those who are able can follow my lead. I was having a second date lunch with a gorgeous, tiny (under 5') latina spinner on Monday and things were going swimmingly. Lots of flirting, little touches, laughing and so on. We've all been there, I'm sure. In any event, as I was paying the check, she came right out and asked if I would get a room for a couple of hours. I had not planned on going to the FC, and so was unprepared, but then I remembered downloading a short-stay hotel room finding app called Beewake. I opened it up, let it find where we were, and in less than a minute had a room for the afternoon in a 4 star hotel in downtown Chicago for $59. Fifteen minutes after that, I had my baby's ankles on my shoulders and was pounding her with all the enthusiasm I could muster, which I assure you was considerable!

I checked out a couple hours later, took the receipt and tossed it, and was on my way home, a happy daddy indeed. The app requires confirming the room with a cc, but it does not run anything, and when I got to the hotel I paid cash, so no records. My understanding is that it is not in all areas around the country, maybe just the major cities, but if you can use it, I highly urge you to download it. The front desk knows you only want the room for a few hours, generally 4 to 5, so no awkward conversations, and the room was ready when we got there, so no early check-in issues. I am convinced it was invented by one of us, it's just too perfect not to have been.

On another note, I recently reactivated my SA account, and am awash in sweet young pussy. If you had told me when I was in college that 30 years later I would be fucking HYBs in their 20's who were better looking than anything I was getting at the time, I would have told you you were insane!

Life is good.

Scott.[/QUOTE]Dear Mr. F Scott. Beyond this useful tidbit, you are responsible for some of the pointers in the archive about how to do the hotel thing without leaving a trace for the SO to find. However, that archive is dated, and we would all benefit if you could provide an update of new practices that might be relevant, beyond the app you mention here. Some of us are still technologically challenged. There are also website like hotels9 to5 etc. That do this, but their offerings are limited, and if they aren't serving your area, we need a different solution.